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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Greebo on April 16, 2015, 02:18:36 AM
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Thanks to Lyric1 for finding me the info for this skin in this J-Aircraft Forum thread (http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=14862.0).
This aircraft was a presentation machine, one of two supposedly donated by the Burma-Japan Association as a propaganda stunt in 1944. The emblem on the vertical tail is a stylised version of Burma's Peacock national emblem. There is no Sentai tail marking visible to indicate which unit this aircraft was assigned to although at this time the 50th, 64th and 204th were the Ki-43 units active in Burma. The 64th received three more Burma-donated Ki-43s which were painted in solid green upper camo and these did have their Sentai's marking as well as the Peacock emblem, so unless I get better info I'll list this as a 64th machine in the game.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/Jonchaz/Screenshots%20Japanese/64th_Sentai_Ki-43_SC1_zps9cxsmxrv.jpg)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/Jonchaz/Screenshots%20Japanese/64th_Sentai_Ki-43_SC2_zpsld65qdnl.jpg)
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amazing work greebo
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:aok
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Totally awesome as usual, Greebo. I built a model with this scheme years back although without the peacock on the tail. Because of that it'll have to be my Oscar skin of choice! :aok
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A real stunner, Greebo!
I found the Ki.43 a lot of fun to fly in the MA.
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:aok
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Was not expecting that one.
Glad you did it though. :aok
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:rock
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Greebo or Lyric, can you answer a question about JAAF color schemes - when an aircraft has this green mottled camo - is that applied directly over bare metal, of was the whole aircraft painted a light off-white color before the camo applied?
Looking for information about this.
Thanks!
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For most of the war Ki-43s left the factory in bare metal, with only an anti-glare panel and red hinomaru markings in six positions. Camouflage schemes were painted in the field without primer and with whatever paint was available. Late in the war a factory-applied camouflage scheme was introduced, olive green on top with grey below. I'd guess this was because of the increased risk of Allied bombing or interception before the aircraft even reached their units. As far as I know this was also the case with other IJAAF fighters like the Ki-44, Ki-61 and Ki-84, although I haven't researched that enough to be sure.
For the IJNAF the situation was reversed. A6Ms were always well painted, probably due to the increased corrosion associated with carrier ops, but later fighters like the N1K2 had camouflage paint applied to the bare metal and to the upper surfaces only.
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There is no Sentai tail marking visible to indicate which unit this aircraft was assigned to although at this time the 50th, 64th and 204th were the Ki-43 units active in Burma. The 64th received three more Burma-donated Ki-43s which were painted in solid green upper camo and these did have their Sentai's marking as well as the Peacock emblem, so unless I get better info I'll list this as a 64th machine in the game.
No definitive answer yet as to what group however I am inclined to think that the skin is not part of the 64th as more information comes to light.
Ⅱ-Gata otsu hikō dai 64 sentai dai 2 chūtai aikoku Biruma nihonjin-kai ken'nō kitai.
Ⅱ type B flight 64th squadron second Squadron Patriotic Burma Japanese Association dedication aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/ki43_zps9tywixpg.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/ki43_zps9tywixpg.jpg.html)
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Incredible work. Can't wait to see it soon, it will be needed over in SEA!
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Great work.
What about some of the Japanese allies? Not allowed in AH?
http://www.cbi-history.com/part_xvi_b.html
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I've already done a Manchuko and a Thai Ki-43. Any of the Japanese Allied Air Forces ought to be OK if their aircraft were in operational squadrons and so long as there are good enough photos for them.
Lyric1 recently found me some info on a few interesting Ki-43s from Japanese squadrons that I will likely skin at some point.
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I have found another photo of these two aircraft in a book online.
No squadron identification though you can tell by the first aircraft in each photo that they are an exact camo match.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080_zpskwavsgzs.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080_zpskwavsgzs.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080%20a_zps5ec7euim.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080%20a_zps5ec7euim.jpg.html)(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1%20b_zpsxybir7vm.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1%20b_zpsxybir7vm.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080%20s_zpsifroufhh.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/14-bfb6338080%20s_zpsifroufhh.jpg.html)(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1%20b%20c_zpswjbxociq.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/ki_43_eemw59l37tw0cwco4so4gw0gc_ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4_th_zps602b51a1%20b%20c_zpswjbxociq.jpg.html)
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Some new information on this aircraft not sure it will change a squadron designation though.
Allegedly this aircraft shot down a P-51?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/SH%20Ki-43-II_zpsxh24hxxb.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/SH%20Ki-43-II_zpsxh24hxxb.png.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KI%2043/SH72193Options_zpshyp9gmrx.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/KI%2043/SH72193Options_zpshyp9gmrx.jpg.html)
"The main subject of the kit, as beautifully illustrated on the box art, is a Burmese presentation aircraft from 1944 with a very nicely printed peacock insignia for the tail. This aircraft, which supposedly claimed a P-51 in a dogfight over Silchar, also displays a presentation cartouche on the rear fuselage with the characters 興亜ビルマ第一賦 ('Koua Biruma Dai Ichi Fu' - Asia Revival Burma No.1 Tribute)* and was one of two aircraft photographed and described for a wartime press release (the other being 'No.2'), both wearing the distinctive reticulated camouflage scheme depicted by Special Hobby. Whether this was applied over bare metal or over a solid painted finish is open to conjecture. Base colours of a solid blueish-grey or reddish brown are known, the latter especially in the CBI theatre.
Most of the presentation 'peacock' aircraft were flown by the 64th Hiko Sentai and bore that unit's arrow emblem behind the peacock emblem, but the two aircraft in the press photograph do not display it. When the Japanese sponsored the creation of the Burma Defence Army (BDA) in early 1942 to replace the Burma Independence Army (BIA) which had been active in the conquest of Burma, they set up a staff training school at Mingaladon under the command of 15th Army Headquarters. This was developed into the BDA Military Academy which from September 1942 processed five classes of Burmese officer candidates, three classes of NCOs, three classes of Yonen Gakkô (youth cadets aged 14-16 years) and one class of pilots who were to be trained in Burma. The press release for the Burma presentation aircraft indirectly suggests that they were flown by Burmese pilots but interestingly they do not appear to display the white senchi hiyoshiki war front sign - the so-called combat stripe - on the rear fuselage."
http://www.aviationofjapan.com/search?updated-min=2015-12-31T16:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2016-05-01T10:05:00%2B01:00&max-results=28&start=10&by-date=false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_National_Army
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-B-D-A-BURMA-DEFENCE-ARMY-JAPAN-ALLIE-ANTI-BRITISH-MEDAL-GEN-AUNG-SAN-WWII-/121357690051