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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: earl1937 on April 18, 2015, 03:31:19 AM
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:airplane: I think the idea of lowering the perks required for flying the B-29 has some merit! I have plenty of perks, so I never have a problem with flying them when ever I like.
But, there are a lot of players in here who don't have a lot of bomber perks, so they never fly them.
My point is that if the perks are lowered, more people will fly them, therefore, I think it would promote more air to air fights, which this game is designed to have!
Not only the fights that it would promote, it would enhance "base taking" missions as well, again, promoting more fights, as it would require more defenders to ward off a flight of 29's.
Fire away guys!!!!
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I see where you come from and share your desire to see thm more used and to see more combat.
However, they would still carry a price tag so high I believe it would still drive people up to altitudes above 30k to protect their perk 'investment'. Not much combat there...
On the other hand, if you would put the perk price so low that nobody would care anymore you'd have some serious arena balance problem.
A dilemma :headscratch:
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1 B29 30perks
3 B29 i dunno 200perks
If HTC can work it that way. a lone 29 is vulnerable and bombing from alt with a single is doable but you gotta actually work at it.
Yesterday ET Popiseed and myself flew 29s to decent sucess damage wise and it was a blast but im limited on my buff perks
<S> 49Boob
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I wouldn't mind seeing the perk price dropped, but as Lusche said, drop it too low and you would see too many B-29's. What if they were to drop it by 25% (though no more than that)? Lusche?
Or it could use JVboob's idea of having a single costing only half of the perks, but an entire formation costing what it costs now.
The thing to consider is that it is a fairly fast bomber with a great coverage and a TON of ammo and ords, which is why it's perked so high.
I am hoping with the upcoming update, that there are not only more targets to hit, but size increases accordingly. No more only taking 3-4 sets to knock out a strat in one pass. Some of the photo's I've seen show a few of them to be massive, and a little spread out. What we have would be the employee parking lot for these places. lol Right now there really isn't anything that warrants the 29's massive payload. The previous strat setup did warrant it's inclusion (although minor), with the mega strat. Of the targets in it, the Industrial Center was by far the largest strat I've seen in AH. Only guys who have been here longer could tell me if any strats were bigger in the past.
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Really don't think a perk price in bombers in AHII is needed at all. No matter what aircraft you use the end result is the same in terms of how long something is down for regardless of what platform did the damage. The exception though would be the early war arena & Lancaster's in that it would take a perk fighter to intercept at altitude & with enough fire power to bring them down.
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Leave it the way it is.
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Really don't think a perk price in bombers in AHII is needed at all. No matter what aircraft you use the end result is the same in terms of how long something is down for regardless of what platform did the damage. The exception though would be the early war arena & Lancaster's in that it would take a perk fighter to intercept at altitude & with enough fire power to bring them down.
Are you nuts? The B-29 does just about everything better than every other bomber. It's only real handicap is its maneuverability and difficulty of takeoff.
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Really don't think a perk price in bombers in AHII is needed at all. No matter what aircraft you use the end result is the same in terms of how long something is down for regardless of what platform did the damage.
By that logic we could also unperk the Tempest and the Me 262. After all, dead is dead no matter what shot you down... ;)
Seriously, the B-29 is so much ahead of the competition in terms of firepower, speed and bombload that the perk status is aalmost a no brainer. A free B-29 would utterly dominate the bomber selection.
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By that logic we could also unperk the Tempest and the Me 262. After all, dead is dead no matter what shot you down... ;)
Seriously, the B-29 is so much ahead of the competition in terms of firepower, speed and bombload that the perk status is aalmost a no brainer. A free B-29 would utterly dominate the bomber selection.
It would be a bomber version of the F4U-1C thing I heard about. Even I can see it; Hands down you would RARELY see anything but B-29's as bomber choice if they were free. Only time you'd even see anything else is for kicks really, like how some folks take the 111 or G4M1 out right now. These are rare now, but in a free 29 arena? lol
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It would be fun if in addition to Santa in his sleigh on Christmas, everything was unperked.
There would be lots of jets and 29s to kill!
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Are you nuts? The B-29 does just about everything better than every other bomber. It's only real handicap is its maneuverability and difficulty of takeoff.
Sure when you get it to 30k to 40k like most you see in game. Bring it down to 10k to 15k like it was used in Japan due to the fact any higher it could hit nothing. After all the Japanese in Zeros, KI-43's & other inferior fighters of that time were shooting them down.
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By that logic we could also unperk the Tempest and the Me 262. After all, dead is dead no matter what shot you down... ;)
Seriously, the B-29 is so much ahead of the competition in terms of firepower, speed and bombload that the perk status is aalmost a no brainer. A free B-29 would utterly dominate the bomber selection.
There would be a huge influx no question of B-29's using my logic. As it stands now they hard to find & when you do they are at 40k. Zero perk price or a very low one will at least bring more of them into the game & people will be less inclined to be at non historic altitudes where hitting targets were simply not possible.
Again in terms of damage done in AHII 10 minutes later the hangers are back up. So what is the advantage of a specific bomber with a high perk price over any of the other heavy American bombers that cost nothing? If you have 10 formations of B-17s on a mission hitting an airfield & 10 formations of B-29's hitting a similar size field the end result is the same?
Base is shut down.
Personally I would like to see 10 sets of B-29s at 15k for a change. :headscratch: Have not seen that since the removal of the mega strat system.
Since that seems unlikely to return sadly multiple formations of B-29's will probably only will be used in scenarios for the most part.
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Opposing fighters would be far more likely to stop the B-17s than the B-29s. That is the difference.
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Again in terms of damage done in AHII 10 minutes later the hangers are back up. So what is the advantage of a specific bomber with a high perk price over any of the other heavy American bombers that cost nothing? If you have 10 formations of B-17s on a mission hitting an airfield & 10 formations of B-29's hitting a similar size field the end result is the same?
Base is shut down.
The difference?
1. You don't need 10 formations.
A formation of B-29s is much more capable taking down stuff by the huge & more varied loadout than a formation of B-17. For example, with 8x2k can whiteflag a town, or kill all FHS on a medium airfield twice or shut down 2 vehicle bases, with much more room for error in the drop.
2. It's tremendously more difficult to stop from doing this than a B-17 due to speed and armament, even at lower altitudes. 1000 rpg means you can simply spray away at the enemy fighters struggling to get into a attack position against your 330mph bomber.
An unperked B-29 would effectively replace the B-17, B-24 and Lancaster in game.
(By the way, I know you didn't mean it literally, but just for the record: loaded B-29 can't reach 40k in the game. Top end is at about 34k :bolt:)
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(By the way, I know you didn't mean it literally, but just for the record: loaded B-29 can't reach 40k in the game. Top end is at about 34k :bolt:)
Typically buy the time you get to them bombs are already out & they are climbing & 40k plus is not unusual.
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Opposing fighters would be far more likely to stop the B-17s than the B-29s. That is the difference.
For those who know what they are doing & that is few & far between most drop on your dead 6 no matter what bomber your in.
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Typically buy the time you get to them bombs are already out & they are climbing & 40k plus is not unusual.
As an avid high alt B-29 hunter I very much dispute this claim. I have yet to see any B-29 at that altitude. :)
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For those who know what they are doing & that is few & far between most drop on your dead 6 no matter what bomber your in.
Still, the bombers have very different survivability chances against enemy attacks. They aren't 'just the same'
I fly the Superfortress quite a lot as a 'tactical' bomber at lower altitudes than average. Defense wise, it's like a B-17 on steroids, allowing me even to fly & fight throttled back at cruise settings most of the time. Where in a B-17 I would be already send to the tower, my 29's still march on blasting enemy fighters out of the sky thanks to the number of guns extremely generous ammo count. And I can always slam the throttle forward in case it's getting hot...
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Sure when you get it to 30k to 40k like most you see in game. Bring it down to 10k to 15k like it was used in Japan due to the fact any higher it could hit nothing. After all the Japanese in Zeros, KI-43's & other inferior fighters of that time were shooting them down.
Think KI-61s
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Think KI-61s
As well.
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As an avid high alt B-29 hunter I very much dispute this claim. I have yet to see any B-29 at that altitude. :)
Link seems to have an issue but other players noted the altitude in the thread.
Guess I will start filming more often when I see this for the disputers. :D
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Link seems to have an issue but other players noted the altitude in the thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311094.0.html
Guess I will start filming more often when I see this for the disputers. :D
Too bad the film isn't available anymore ;)
And yes, roll the film. But by looking at your stats it seems you aren't encountering B-29s very often at all... ;)
By the way, i just tried to get an empty B-29 to 40k. Took off without bombs and at 25% fuel from a 30k base, set some upward wind to get to 36k faster and save fuel. Then I disabled the wind and continued to climb...
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/40k_zpsmxh5xuvw.jpg)
Shortly before I ran out of fuel I wasn't at 39k yet and the rate of climb was at 20fpm...
Sorry but B-29s flying regularly at 40k+ is just a fantasy. 30k+? Yes, absolutely. I have killed more than 300 of them, but for sure about the half (mabye even more) was over 30k, but none came ever close to being at 40k.
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Sorry but B-29s flying regularly at 40k+ is just a fantasy. 30k+? Yes, absolutely. I have killed more than 300 of them, but for sure about the half (mabye even more) was over 30k, but none came ever close to being at 40k.
So even with a witness to that film noting 40k B-29 its a fantasy?
Oh well we agree to disagree. :aok
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So even with a witness to that film noting 40k B-29 its a fantasy?
Oh well we agree to disagree. :aok
I will say I would put more faith in a test performed by a man noted for testing, collecting data, and compiling it than (thus far) anecdotal evidence from someone who is just another player.
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Link seems to have an issue but other players noted the altitude in the thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311094.0.html
Guess I will start filming more often when I see this for the disputers. :D
Thanks for the virus ridden link! now I have to redo my OS!
No one click on these links...
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From someone who is just another player.
Well welcome to the club.
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Well welcome to the club.
To be clear, I don't mean to insult.
Lusch has a positive reputation with data, you simply don't have a reputation of any kind. In fact, I can only recall seeing you on once.
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To be clear, I don't mean to insult.
Lusch has a positive reputation with data, you simply don't have a reputation of any kind. In fact, I can only recall seeing you on once.
Well 10 years of playing the game.
BBS member since November 2006. 2.5 thread per day average.
A large selection of skins that are used in game now that were found by me & given to skinners. Thousands of dollars spent on rare books to make that happen.
My rep is intact regardless.
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Thanks for the virus ridden link! now I have to redo my OS!
No one click on these links...
Removed it from the first post. On my end it just didn't work have had nothing pop up as a virus of any sort when I click on that link.
Sorry if it did though.
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I will say I would put more faith in a test performed by a man noted for testing, collecting data, and compiling it than (thus far) anecdotal evidence from someone who is just another player.
Well same situation except I put 50% fuel on dropped all bombs & didn't turn wind off.
I was still climbing out when I came back & took the screen shot.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Boeing%20B29/ahss239_zpssnpprzj6.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Boeing%20B29/ahss239_zpssnpprzj6.png.html)
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Are you nuts? The B-29 does just about everything better than every other bomber. It's only real handicap is its maneuverability and difficulty of takeoff.
:airplane: FYI on taking off in the 29's in this game! #1, when you "spawn" out on the runway, raise your flap setting to "zero", as it automatically spawns out with 50% flaps. Use "auto takeoff" function in the game! Do not takeoff from runways which have trees or other obstacles in the vicinity of the end of the runway.
Engage "wep" as soon as you start rolling on takeoff.
Your "wep" will last for about 4,000 foot of climb, so leave the thing alone and let it work like it suppose to.
try to make all turns with no more than a "standard" rate of turn of 3 degrees per second.
Just remember that below 200MPH IAS, the controls are sluggish and slow to respond.
After the "auto takeoff engaged" disappears from your monitor, do dot speed 175 for best climb performance!
Pay attention to your E6B power settings for best cruise performance and fuel management!
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Sorry but B-29s flying regularly at 40k+ is just a fantasy. 30k+? Yes, absolutely.
So even with a witness to that film noting 40k B-29 its a fantasy?
Yes, absolutely.
I did not say "no B-29 ever reached 40k." I said "They do not fly at 40k regularly", because that's what you claimed.
And I still wonder what you are basing this claim on, because you rarely seem to engage B-29s in this game at all. I specifically hunt them up there, with up to several dozen kills of (and deaths by) them up there each tour. For a time I also tracked the altitudes I kill them at via film viewer for statistical purposes (to be found in my stats thread). If they indeed would fly at "40k plus regularly", I'd think I would have encountered them at some point. ;)
I was still climbing out when I came back & took the screen shot.
First thing I not apart from the bizarre rate of climb is "Burn Mult 1.0" ....
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Typically buy the time you get to them bombs are already out & they are climbing & 40k plus is not unusual.
:airplane: Nope, doesn't happen! If you saw one at 40K, it would have no bombs and about 10% fuel left, with all the gun turrets thrown overboard and everybody but the A/C and the co-pilot had bailed out.
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Ok, I did a full test. Fuel Burn 2.0, no wind, 50% fuel at takeoff, no bombs.
The bomber managed to get to 39k. It took the B-29 4 minutes to cover the last 100 feet. And at that point all climbing basically stopped, even though it had neither bombs nor fuel weight left, because a minute later it ran out of fuel. So in practice, the B-29s won't even be found at this theoretical max altitude.
Film is available.
Again, my not entirely insignificant MA experience has been confirmed: There are no B-29s flying "regularly at 40k+" in the MA. In hundreds of engagements I've never seen any, and the test showed why.
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To be clear, I don't mean to insult.
Lusch has a positive reputation with data, you simply don't have a reputation of any kind. In fact, I can only recall seeing you on once.
Stating that he has no reputation? Bull cookies. Lyric contributes a lot to Aces High. And his in-game time matters, how???
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Yes, absolutely.
I did not say "no B-29 ever reached 40k." I said "They do not fly at 40k regularly", because that's what you claimed.
And I still wonder what you are basing this claim on, because you rarely seem to engage B-29s in this game at all. I specifically hunt them up there, with up to several dozen kills of (and deaths by) them up there each tour. For a time I also tracked the altitudes I kill them at via film viewer for statistical purposes (to be found in my stats thread). If they indeed would fly at "40k plus regularly", I'd think I would have encountered them at some point. ;)
First thing I not apart from the bizarre rate of climb is "Burn Mult 1.0" ....
My entire point I have been trying to make is that the perks needed are so high for B-29's that people will go to great lengths to protect them. Yes my stats on B-29 kills are few & far between because they just are not about anymore like they were. I still claim that when I have gone looking for them I have found them at 40k. After trying to engage them at that height in the past it is pointless so I turn around and land now or just fly in on their dead 6 & hope for the best.
Again we shall agree to disagree.
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First thing I not apart from the bizarre rate of climb is "Burn Mult 1.0" ....
look at his airspeed
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The flight profile of my test flight:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/max%20climbtest%2029_zps4kowvpzj.jpg)
This flight took me diagonally across a large map, Ozkansas
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:airplane: FYI on taking off in the 29's in this game! #1, when you "spawn" out on the runway, raise your flap setting to "zero", as it automatically spawns out with 50% flaps. Use "auto takeoff" function in the game! Do not takeoff from runways which have trees or other obstacles in the vicinity of the end of the runway.
Engage "wep" as soon as you start rolling on takeoff.
Your "wep" will last for about 4,000 foot of climb, so leave the thing alone and let it work like it suppose to.
try to make all turns with no more than a "standard" rate of turn of 3 degrees per second.
Just remember that below 200MPH IAS, the controls are sluggish and slow to respond.
After the "auto takeoff engaged" disappears from your monitor, do dot speed 175 for best climb performance!
Pay attention to your E6B power settings for best cruise performance and fuel management!
I'm perfectly capable of getting a B-29 off the ground, even when some trees at the end. It's simply more difficult.
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I'm perfectly capable of getting a B-29 off the ground, even when some trees at the end. It's simply more difficult.
:airplane: Was not inferring that you were not capable of flying the 29, but there are a lot of people who read these post's which may be struggling with flying the 29 and all I was doing was passing along a tip about takeoffs in the bird.
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the reason some planes/gv's are perked is to basically lower their use due to their ability to really imbalance the game. if you cannot earn 100 perks in a bomber in a day or two then perhaps you shouldnt be able to fly a b29 either.
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