An RC-135U was intercepted flying in international waters by an SU-27. The SU-27 made a couple of aggressive close passes.
Now, here's my question. Could an F-15 fly in formation with the RC-135 close enough to appear as one radar return? This was possible back in the 80s. Not sure if Russian radar has progressed in sensitivity enough to see two targets so close together.
The U.S. sure does have a bad track record with making recon planes/pilots expendable. It's one thing if you are able to defend yourself. It's another if you are flying an antiquated 1950s jetliner.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
Nothing illegal or untoward with intercepting and following another plane in international airspace. US and NATO does it all the time with Russian aircraft.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
Accidents happen. As I recall the Chinese pilot was killed. Hardly think he committed suicide intentionally. Russian fighter jocks are also known for their, shall we say, loose adherence to procedures.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: DaveBB on April 18, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
I did not know that you were an expert on Russian military doctrine. What war college did you attend?
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: The Fugitive on April 18, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
More political BS Why post this crap here?
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 11:00:35 AM
I did not know that you were an expert on Russian military doctrine. What war college did you attend?
Uncalled for personal attack. Personally I don't think the Chinese pilot tried to kill himself, just show off and botched it. Whatever Russian doctrine states I don't think it includes ramming an armed multimillion Dollar jet into an unarmed recce plane. And if it does I don't think so poorly of Russian pilots that they would miss if they tried.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 11:02:50 AM
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: branch37 on April 18, 2015, 11:24:32 AM
My Grandfather flew as a navigator on an RC-135 for roughly 10 years. They are not quite as vulnerable as you think. The electronic warfare and jamming equipment he carried in the 80s was mind boggling then. I can't imagine what it is now. Of course all the electronic equipment wont help much if he's in gun range.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: DaveBB on April 18, 2015, 11:56:04 AM
I would like for Earl to weigh in on this situation. Of course he told about his RB-50 being intercepted by a Mig-17. Two F-86s came to the rescue though.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Predator. My deepest apologies.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Widewing on April 18, 2015, 12:04:15 PM
Back in the 70s, we were intercepted by Cuban MiG-21s a few times while transiting from CONUS to GTMO. No big deal. One time they were unusually aggressive, and a a pair of VC-10 F8E Crusaders sent them skedaddling home....
We were intercepted by Turk Phantoms while flying from Crete to Turkey. Again, just lots of waving back and forth. In this case, the Greeks never forwarded our flight plan...
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: ghi on April 18, 2015, 12:05:37 PM
This was in news last week; :( "Why IS the US military moving back into 'Stargate' base deep under the Rocky Mountains a decade after it was abandoned?"
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 12:11:42 PM
"The shift to the Cheyenne Mountain base in Colorado is designed to safeguard the command's sensitive sensors and servers from a potential electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack, military officers said."
Seems pretty clear to me.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Puma44 on April 18, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
Accidents happen. As I recall the Chinese pilot was killed. Hardly think he committed suicide intentionally. Russian fighter jocks are also known for their, shall we say, loose adherence to procedures.
The Chinese pilot was being way too aggressive and flying on the edge of controlled flight very close to the P-3 and its associated wake turbulence. The Chinese pilot most likely stalled/lost control of his jet and was unable to recover from the surprise situation he put himself into.
http://youtu.be/CUp_jX17ZIE
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 01:53:40 PM
Amazing how many posters on the youtube page blame America for the accident/incident. Whenever I read youtube comments I'm reminded why I should never do so again. Kinda like when I'm drinking.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 18, 2015, 01:58:40 PM
Amazing how many posters on the youtube page blame America for the accident/incident. Whenever I read youtube comments I'm reminded why I should never do so again. Kinda like when I'm drinking.
Even more amazing are people who post strong opinionated posts to news sites commentaries using their facebook accounts lol. It's mind boggling to see people blurt out utter stupidities with their own face shot and name publicly posted.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: zack1234 on April 18, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Yes its North Koreas fault as well.
And the Redcoats and mel gibson
Think your being played? :)
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: DaveBB on April 18, 2015, 04:48:24 PM
http://www.6901st.org/history/shootdown.htm
It's a dangerous job flying recon. Here is a small list of U.S. aircraft shot down. Most were flying outside of Soviet airspace. None of these incidents sparked a nuclear war. An F-22 or F-15 who happened to witness an SU-27 "crash from unknown causes" would not spark a war either.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 05:42:46 PM
It's called international airspace for a reason Dave. Splashing a SU27 is not something anyone will get away with. If the pilot doesn't get a message off to home his wingman is sure to. They don't fly alone more than we do.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: DaveBB on April 18, 2015, 05:51:46 PM
That Su-27 was alone. Pilot could have simply "blacked out" and crashed into the sea. Russia can't afford a war right now. Dropping oil prices and international embargos have their economy in shambles.
I value American lives far more than that of other nations. That is the basis of my argument.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: fbEagle on April 18, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
You say that as if you were there. If the RC-135 crew only saw one SU, it does not mean he didn't have friends nearby. I don't know of any nation that sends up single planes to do interceptions.
Not the same situation. This was more akin to the ramming event that happened with the Chinese jet and the P-3 Orion in the early 2000s.
GW Bush's first international incident as President. Everyone forgot about it because of 9-11 of course. Didn't the P-3 Orion have to stray into Chinese waters to land afterward? I guess I should just google it.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 18, 2015, 07:54:15 PM
Accidents happen. As I recall the Chinese pilot was killed. Hardly think he committed suicide intentionally. Russian fighter jocks are also known for their, shall we say, loose adherence to procedures.
From comments of a former USAF pilot (Toad) that used to fly those missions back in the height of the cold war, at least at the time it wasn't a case of a "loose adherence to procedures" but more of a lack of skill.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 18, 2015, 09:08:10 PM
Well, Toad is here now. I'd be very interested to hear what insights he has.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 18, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
About what?
In the late 70s interception by a single fighter was common. In fact, seeing a flight of two was a rare thing when operating around the USSR. It was common to see a pair of Cuban MiG-21s. They were very good sticks. Can't say the same for the Soviet pilots of that time.
As for the RC crew seeing only one in this recent incident…had there been more than one they probably would have known it. It's what RCs do.
<edit> That's not to say that the US side is releasing everything they know about this incident. </edit>
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: icepac on April 18, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
True................any "RC" craft will likely have a clear picture of everything flying nearby.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: MrKrabs on April 18, 2015, 10:12:39 PM
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: DaveBB on April 19, 2015, 07:47:00 AM
Things have changed. In all the pictures of Soviet bombers being escorted, the tail guns are in the stowed position. Anymore, they are in the ready position.
I'd have an F-15 with conformal fuel tanks and drop tanks fly underneath the the RC-135 for it's mission profile. It would be a good time to see the status of the Russian plane and Russian training. If it happened to save about 20 American lives from a mid-air collision with a Russian fighter, well that's just a bonus.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 19, 2015, 09:06:32 AM
So…will your F-15 with conformal fuel tanks be able to escort the RC for approximately 8 hours without refueling?
Will your fighter pilot get a little bit fatigued flying so tight to the RC as to make one radar return for a steady 8 hours?
While the thought is nice, there's no way it would work. Remember, the RC is a receiver, not a tanker; no boom.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 19, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
I think the USAF and the three-letter agencies are too fond of the intel these RC planes collect to jeopardize the current rather amicable relationship with the Russians in the air. They may get away with shooting one down and pretending it was an accident, but the next time the Russians will send a squadron up to make sure, and if they spot this F-15 shadowing the RC-135 the game is up. The RC-135's may then have to face the real possibility of being shot down rather than just harassed. Like in the old days.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 19, 2015, 09:52:41 AM
There aren't going to be any F-15s shadowing RCs unless the mission is very close to an F-15 base. Even then I doubt there'd be continual escort. Really, there's no reason to do so with the Soviets.
The unofficial squadron motto was "alone, unarmed and unafraid." I seriously doubt that will change.
It may be hard for some of you to grasp but they have been intercepting RC-135s for decades. We've been intercepting Bears for decades. Both sides understand the rules of the game.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: -ammo- on April 19, 2015, 01:06:58 PM
You would be surprised (maybe) how frequently this is happening in the last 4-5 months in the Baltic and Black Seas. Some of the encounters are reported and some are not.
Putin is not happy with that NATO is establishing an increased military footprint (NFIUs and other command entities) in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (MNC-NE), Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania (MND-SE).
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: -ammo- on April 19, 2015, 01:08:27 PM
There aren't going to be any F-15s shadowing RCs unless the mission is very close to an F-15 base. Even then I doubt there'd be continual escort. Really, there's no reason to do so with the Soviets.
The unofficial squadron motto was "alone, unarmed and unafraid." I seriously doubt that will change.
It may be hard for some of you to grasp but they have been intercepting RC-135s for decades. We've been intercepting Bears for decades. Both sides understand the rules of the game.
Yep - but NATO has enjoyed relative tranquility up until the last few months.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: ghi on April 19, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
BRICS vs IMF proxy. when i was born world population was 3.7 billion ,today are over 7 billion; too many humans for limited resources; I read if 1.6 billlion Muslims stop washing and start using toilet paper like us, we'll run out of trees in few years;
look at this madness; http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
maybe they are right with Agenda21 , the world needs sustainable development ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: BoilerDown on April 19, 2015, 10:51:18 PM
Its all just a game of determining that the other side is still able to fight, or showing that your own side is [still] able. The worse relations are, the more important this game is to the players. But its still just a game until politicians decide it isn't, as opposed to the militaries or individual pilots. As none of the sides are politically remotely close to a shooting war, there's nothing to be concerned about.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: earl1937 on April 20, 2015, 03:38:13 AM
I would like for Earl to weigh in on this situation. Of course he told about his RB-50 being intercepted by a Mig-17. Two F-86s came to the rescue though.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Predator. My deepest apologies.
:airplane: Can't speak to todays recon equipment, but back in the "day", the whole idea was to hide and "see", so if there were clouds around where we were, we were in them. At that time, I don't think anyone knew how accurate the North Koreans and Chinese radar systems were, so we tried to keep in the "dark" from eyeballs! Yes, we saw a lot of interceptors who came up to look and see what was going on, as we had air to air radar on board also and it was pretty accurate. My concern in today's world situation is the "lone wolf" who decides without input from the "higher ups", to start a shooting war on his own. If the "genie" gets out of the bottle, can we as civilized people, put it back in, or will personal ego's rule the day and destroy the world as we know it now? Both sides play a dangerous game every day, and the joker is the new kid on the block, the "nuts in the mid East", I don't think they ever think about tomorrow and the ramifications of their actions. What is scary to me is the fact that the end of life for all of us is just 20 to 30 minutes away, if cooler heads don't prevail about life as we know it on this planet. Of course, if I believed that I had 72 virgins and heaven waiting on me, not sure I would care what happened to everybody else! LOL
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: FLOOB on April 20, 2015, 05:11:07 AM
There aren't going to be any F-15s shadowing RCs unless the mission is very close to an F-15 base. Even then I doubt there'd be continual escort. Really, there's no reason to do so with the Soviets.
The unofficial squadron motto was "alone, unarmed and unafraid." I seriously doubt that will change.
It may be hard for some of you to grasp but they have been intercepting RC-135s for decades. We've been intercepting Bears for decades. Both sides understand the rules of the game.
What was the date of the last shoot down of an RC-135? Do you know?
What was the date of the last mid-air collision with a non-US aircraft experienced by an RC-135?
:airplane: Toad, here is a personal :salute to you sir for your service! You certainly bring up a good point with your questions! I just wonder, personally, if the "airborne" intelligence program is worth the trouble anymore, considering that we have satellites in space which can read the serial number on a dollar bill! My personal fears these days is that 150 lb refugee wading across the Rio Grande river with the knowledge of how to put together a "dirty" bomb from the internet and the person who wants to be remembered as the "hero" who took on the U.S. and won! Kind of like the kid who took on the giant with a sling shot and won type of mentality! Hope I am wrong!
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Swoop on April 21, 2015, 06:06:58 AM
Will your fighter pilot get a little bit fatigued flying so tight to the RC as to make one radar return for a steady 8 hours?
Nah, CTRL-W and you're on wingman autopilot.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 21, 2015, 07:14:19 AM
Earl, I :salute you right back for your service. A friend told me you flew the RB-50; that had to be a tougher job than mine, not to mention a lot more dangerous.
There are things the RC can do that satellites cannot and vice versa. I think there's still room for airborne intelligence collecting in the greater scheme of things.
I think you are probably right though about the biggest threat to the US. Our undefended borders provide easy access to anyone that wants to do us serious harm.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: FBKampfer on April 21, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
You would be surprised (maybe) how frequently this is happening in the last 4-5 months in the Baltic and Black Seas. Some of the encounters are reported and some are not.
Putin is not happy with that NATO is establishing an increased military footprint (NFIUs and other command entities) in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (MNC-NE), Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania (MND-SE).
And understandably so, given that NATO still isn't quite comfortable with Russia owning rifles, much less advanced weapons that would let them put up an actual fight it push comes to shove.
IMO, the thing to do is make allies the of them. Senior members of NATO, allowing them to keep their own calibers, and joint military exercises, active efforts to strengthen economic ties, and exchange cultures.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: earl1937 on April 21, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
Earl, I :salute you right back for your service. A friend told me you flew the RB-50; that had to be a tougher job than mine, not to mention a lot more dangerous.
There are things the RC can do that satellites cannot and vice versa. I think there's still room for airborne intelligence collecting in the greater scheme of things.
I think you are probably right though about the biggest threat to the US. Our undefended borders provide easy access to anyone that wants to do us serious harm.
:airplane: Thank you Toad! My biggest fear is that the powers that be will sit on their hands and political positions until something bad happens and then a lot of Americans are going to suffer or die because of just plain being stupid about what is going on at our borders!
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: FBKampfer on April 21, 2015, 10:06:56 AM
:airplane: Toad, here is a personal :salute to you sir for your service! You certainly bring up a good point with your questions! I just wonder, personally, if the "airborne" intelligence program is worth the trouble anymore, considering that we have satellites in space which can read the serial number on a dollar bill! My personal fears these days is that 150 lb refugee wading across the Rio Grande river with the knowledge of how to put together a "dirty" bomb from the internet and the person who wants to be remembered as the "hero" who took on the U.S. and won! Kind of like the kid who took on the giant with a sling shot and won type of mentality! Hope I am wrong!
Dirty bombs actually aren't a significant threat in themselves. Very ineffective and inefficient use of nuclear material. The virtue of dirty bombs are that they don't need weapons grade fissile material. They don't even need fissile material come to that, nuclear byproducts, or other radioactive elements lower down the table would accomplish much the same thing.
The bigger threat is shortages and what not caused by our average American idiot not understanding that it really poses no threat, or simply disbelieving it, simply because it doesn't fit with the scenario their conspiracy-addled minds have already formulated.
I suspect they could use technetium and get largely the same results as using plutonium or uranium, simply due to the ignorance of the American people, and conditioned fear of "radiation", big scary thing that it is.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 21, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
I don't worry about a dirty bomb.
I worry about simple things, like the 2008 terrorist attack in Mumbai. 10 Pakistanis did an incredible amount of damage.
Imagine 10 clowns hitting the Mall of the Americas during Christmas time.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 21, 2015, 11:37:31 AM
And
Life goes on.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: earl1937 on April 21, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: FBKampfer on April 21, 2015, 12:18:14 PM
Natural disaster is far more likely to take out the Internet and power grid. I was speaking with a veteran of Naval Intelligence, he was eating at the restaurant I work at, and we both happened to step out for a smoke.
But he was telling me how the Internet would be a lot harder to take down than many people think. Since it's just connections between computers more or less, one would have to severely disrupt the web to cause significant loss of connection. Simply cutting one link between computer A and B, since both A and B are still connected to C or D, and can still communicate with each other, albeit slowly.
I gather power is similar. You can redirect to necessary areas from available supplies, but with reduced efficiency and capacity.
As for ordering food, I've got to get on the horn with suppliers at least once a month, and it doesn't even officially fall under my job description to find so.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: FBKampfer on April 21, 2015, 12:26:26 PM
I worry about simple things, like the 2008 terrorist attack in Mumbai. 10 Pakistanis did an incredible amount of damage.
Imagine 10 clowns hitting the Mall of the Americas during Christmas time.
While it would be bad, it's not really something that can be easily stopped. Frankly, it's a miracle nothing has slipped by since 01.
Air planes, bombs, etc, that's high profile stuff. But guns are easy to come by, and they can't (or shouldn't be able to) hold you before you actually commit a crime.
And the other side of the coin is that sometimes that's just the cost of doing business. Securing US interests affects people outside of the US, and sometimes that doesn't sit well with them.
Do we respect their sovereignty, or accept the consequences of interfering? Obviously we should try to mitigate violent responses, but we must also accept that some things will slip through.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Skuzzy on April 21, 2015, 01:24:57 PM
Natural disaster is far more likely to take out the Internet and power grid. I was speaking with a veteran of Naval Intelligence, he was eating at the restaurant I work at, and we both happened to step out for a smoke.
But he was telling me how the Internet would be a lot harder to take down than many people think. Since it's just connections between computers more or less, one would have to severely disrupt the web to cause significant loss of connection. Simply cutting one link between computer A and B, since both A and B are still connected to C or D, and can still communicate with each other, albeit slowly.
I gather power is similar. You can redirect to necessary areas from available supplies, but with reduced efficiency and capacity.
As for ordering food, I've got to get on the horn with suppliers at least once a month, and it doesn't even officially fall under my job description to find so.
Actually, bringing down the Internet is easier than you think. All one would have to do is bring down the thirteen root servers of the Internet, which are housed in thirteen separate locations and the Internet would be dead.
Granted, it would take a coordinated attack, but if it was done, it would bring down the Internet all over the world.
Check http://www.root-servers.org/
If someone was going to take down the Internet, that would be route to take.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Swoop on April 21, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
Shhhhh! :noid
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: SIM on April 21, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
"I gather power is similar. You can redirect to necessary areas from available supplies, but with reduced efficiency and capacity."
Most people do not realize that this happens on an almost hourly basis. Every power company in the nation buys and sells generation, as needed, to neighboring companies. The electric grid is much more robust than most of the so-called experts will ever admit.
Fear mongering is a big business.......
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Serenity on April 21, 2015, 03:29:55 PM
We have a few EP-3 guys here at Whiting, and my adviser on NASP was an EP-3 NFO. Trust me when I say, they know what they're getting into, and they're not particularly worried. This game has been going for DECADES, and the EP-3s and RCs KNOW when there's an intercept coming. They can decide to flee if it's a threat, or stay.
And again, pilot fatigue in formations is insane. You would be hard pressed to find someone who could hold an F-15 in that close for even a fraction of the mission.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: earl1937 on April 21, 2015, 04:03:18 PM
Actually, bringing down the Internet is easier than you think. All one would have to do is bring down the thirteen root servers of the Internet, which are housed in thirteen separate locations and the Internet would be dead.
Granted, it would take a coordinated attack, but if it was done, it would bring down the Internet all over the world.
Check http://www.root-servers.org/
If someone was going to take down the Internet, that would be route to take.
:airplane: Sorry Skuzzy, didn't realize I was treading on something I should not have been talking about! and I fully support rule 14! This place would be a mad house without that rule!!!
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 21, 2015, 04:38:36 PM
Yeah Skuzzy, but doesn't each root server have a number of instances at different locations? Wouldn't you have to take out all the instances to bring down a server?
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Slash27 on April 21, 2015, 05:31:16 PM
GW Bush's first international incident as President. Everyone forgot about it because of 9-11 of course. Didn't the P-3 Orion have to stray into Chinese waters to land afterward? I guess I should just google it.
We sank the Japanese School ship (Feb 9) before we downed the Chinese plane (April 1).
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Auger on April 22, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
Actually, bringing down the Internet is easier than you think. All one would have to do is bring down the thirteen root servers of the Internet, which are housed in thirteen separate locations and the Internet would be dead.
There are more like 300 root servers. IP Anycast has fixed the issue of concentrating the entire DNS infrastructure into only 13 servers.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Skuzzy on April 22, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
There are more like 300 root servers. IP Anycast has fixed the issue of concentrating the entire DNS infrastructure into only 13 servers.
Just found the data on this. Still reading.....
Okay, IP Anycast is used on 12 of the 13 root servers. However, it does require the other end to implement a special network stack to make use of the technology. Most of the Internet has not made that switch.
The default TCP stack has no provision for Anycast.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: -ammo- on April 22, 2015, 02:38:45 PM
IMO, the thing to do is make allies the of them. Senior members of NATO, allowing them to keep their own calibers, and joint military exercises, active efforts to strengthen economic ties, and exchange cultures.
LOL - I guess when Russia installs a democracy or the US installs a communist government, that may be achievable... back in the real world..
Russian culture is great on the interwebs - but actively living it or even accepting it within the boundaries of the USA - no thanks. Isn't GAZPROM being sued by some Euro Nations (currently)?
There were two more intercepts today in the Baltics - we'll see if they make the news
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: zack1234 on April 22, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
Okay, IP Anycast is used on 12 of the 13 root servers. However, it does require the other end to implement a special network stack to make use of the technology. Most of the Internet has not made that switch.
The default TCP stack has no provision for Anycast.
So what provisions have you implemented to ensure that I can play AH if North Korea or who ever fettles the internet?
Is it the Russians this week by the way? I have lost track with you colonials?
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: -ammo- on April 22, 2015, 02:59:06 PM
So what provisions have you implemented to ensure that I can play AH if North Korea or who ever fettles the internet?
Is it the Russians this week by the way? I have lost track with you colonials?
We cannot implement that stack as it is only useful for temporary connections. When continuous connections with seamless data from end to end is needed, the Anycast stack is not a good choice.
The only way it could work is for us to broadcast to every server every connection and the current state of the game on that client. It would end up using a substantial portion of the available bandwidth, of the network connection, to do that.
There are very few services which can make efficient use of Anycast.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: Toad on April 22, 2015, 09:08:55 PM
There were two more intercepts today in the Baltics - we'll see if they make the news
Back in the day, intercepts in some places were routine. Seems like every time we went into Sea of Okhotsk, they came out to check us in Flagons. They were a little touch about Vladivostok.
Baltic was more a now and then kind of deal. They didn't come out every time.
E/W German border, they'd pace us on the East side of the border.
Up over the top it was pretty rare; every once in a while they'd come out in a Firebar.
Title: Re: RC-135U intercepted by an SU-27
Post by: zack1234 on April 23, 2015, 10:06:21 AM
So back to topic
Is there going to be a war with everyone who is not American?