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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Charge on April 23, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
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Being interested of the emerging aspects of historic swords and sword fighting it seems it starts to be represented on more public venues too. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZIsc6KPkKA&feature=youtu.be
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That's ridiculous.
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Wicked cool! :O
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:rofl
never saw this before :aok
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Psh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSYoSDXyyys
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I do agree that it's a bit silly to go in the ring with a sword and give such a show but it still is something to revitalize a forgotten art.
This is more to my liking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umi_HUoLdl0 :rock
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I've heard that medieval style sword fighting is a good counterpart for computing. Swinging the rather heavy two hand sword loosens the shoulders nicely, the same can be said about the one hand sword and the shield.
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Ok, that's the circus part taken care of. Now, if the Russians could do the bread thing too they might get somewhere.
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I've heard that medieval style sword fighting is a good counterpart for computing. Swinging the rather heavy two hand sword loosens the shoulders nicely, the same can be said about the one hand sword and the shield.
Just an FYI, a longsword is only about 3lbs max (mine is ~53" OAL, with a 40" blade, fully two-handed hilt. Right at 3lbs). Some of the zweihanders got up to about 5-6lbs, but anything heavier than that is for hanging on the wall, not for practice or combat.
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Just an FYI, a longsword is only about 3lbs max (mine is ~53" OAL, with a 40" blade, fully two-handed hilt. Right at 3lbs). Some of the zweihanders got up to about 5-6lbs, but anything heavier than that is for hanging on the wall, not for practice or combat.
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Being interested of the emerging aspects of historic swords and sword fighting it seems it starts to be represented on more public venues too. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZIsc6KPkKA&feature=youtu.be
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That is anything but historical.
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That is anything but historical.
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The point always beats the blade.....notice how none of those weapons have points.....and I dare say stabbing your opponent in the eye may result in disqualification.
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Just an FYI, a longsword is only about 3lbs max (mine is ~53" OAL, with a 40" blade, fully two-handed hilt. Right at 3lbs). Some of the zweihanders got up to about 5-6lbs, but anything heavier than that is for hanging on the wall, not for practice or combat.
So are you saying that swinging a ~50" long thing weighing 3 to 6 lbs isn't any more effective than just swinging your hands? That may be true, another friend said that practicing with a bokken made her entire body ache and sweat. And further, another friend told that he had participated a weightlifting practice with a broomstick. A couple hundred repetitions had effectively de-juiced the group.
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Its a lot more interesting than formal fencing. I like that folks are keeping a martial art alive and they should be applauded. Maybe its not exactly the style some like...ok...but its all part of a larger discipline.
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Its a lot more interesting than formal fencing. I like that folks are keeping a martial art alive and they should be applauded. Maybe its not exactly the style some like...ok...but its all part of a larger discipline.
They don't keep any martial art alive. These are two dressed up guys bashing each other - they may as well be holding baseball bats and man-hole covers.
The people who are trying to research and revive the historical martial arts are usually under the title of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts), but there are a few other organizations as well.
This guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/warzechas/feed
and this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria
for example, have lots of interesting information on the subject.
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"That is anything but historical."
I'd say It's closer to reality than jumping back and forth in white stockings making lunges for points into positions that IRL would have killed both the attacker and defender.
Closer to reality in combat that is. Sport fencing is something that fencing evolved to during years after the swords evolved from hacking weapons into more slender blades e.g. rapiers. This kind of weapons required skill to master which a common soldier did not have, so sabre type weapons were emerging more on battlefields where the art of fencing was quickly vanishing due to technical advances. HEMA uses e.g. techniques of late middle age masters which again were not accessible to common soldier. I'd say that if you put two common soldiers of middle age era into a boxing ring equipped with armour and sword it would look something like that and not much like modern sport fencing. What to observe in that video are the protection that armour offer, use of shield as a weapon, brawling when getting too close. Pit that kind of a soldier against an expert in long sword trained in one of the major disciplines available that time and the fight would be quite short. However, I value that video of giving one aspect of reality the sword fighters have faced since two blades clashed together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_European_martial_arts
This is for Boz, the second video I posted, in case you missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umi_HUoLdl0
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The people who are trying to research and revive the historical martial arts are usually under the title of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts), but there are a few other organizations as well.
This guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/warzechas/feed
and this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria
for example, have lots of interesting information on the subject.
ARMA is another one of the big ones.
This kind of weapons required skill to master which a common soldier did not have
Ok, you just about made me choke on my french fries reading that.
It has NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH SKILL. Rapiers weren't used on the battlefield because THEY WERE NOT BATTLEFIELD WEAPONS. They are purely personal defense weapons intended for street brawls and duels. PERIOD. FINITO. They were useless on the battlefield because of this thing called ARMOR that by the late Middle Ages/Early Renaissance was in widespread use even by common infantrymen. The backsword that was the main sidearm of this period required NO LESS SKILL to wield properly than a rapier; the difference was in HOW it was used.
Soldiers of the late Middle Ages and Early Renaissance were PROFESSIONALS. They were well-equipped and well-trained, and a far cry from the peasant levies of the early periods (BIIIIIIIIIG note, here: This was primarily a phenomenon among the French. The English ALWAYS had a semi-professional army more like the modern concept of the National Guard, dating to the Saxon period. The Germans were similar in this regard).
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Of course it has.
Rapier was more or less a civilian weapon and AFTER the rapier period the sabres were still being used my the military because it is easier to master efficiently than a rapier type weapon and it is also more resilient weapon on the battlefield than any long and slim weapon. Hacking weapons are excellent in crowded melees where as the long slim rapier is quite impractical except on one on one fight.
Modern fencing is more or less a descendant style from rapier era AFAIK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7zv2gRpgAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyb80U5-fc
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Of course it has.
Rapier was more or less a civilian weapon and AFTER the rapier period the sabres were still being used my the military because it is easier to master efficiently than a rapier type weapon and it is also more resilient weapon on the battlefield than any long and slim weapon. Hacking weapons are excellent in crowded melees where as the long slim rapier is quite impractical except on one on one fight.
Modern fencing is more or less a descendant style from rapier era AFAIK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7zv2gRpgAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyb80U5-fc
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Epee descends from rapier. The foil began as a training weapon for smallsword dueling. And guess what modern sabre descended from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYA4_RKUzU
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Epee descends from rapier. The foil began as a training weapon for smallsword dueling. And guess what modern sabre descended from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYA4_RKUzU
This is true,I have an Epee and a very old foil,the foil is deadly sharp at the point so I dont think it was used much for practice! I call it the french pickle stabber,it doesnt have all the jewlery attached,I suspect they were removed and put on a "blunted" foil.
The Epee is just a school sword I used when I fancied my self as a fencer.
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Definitely more entertaining then that MMA crap