lesson learned today players dont care as long as they can get a kill. they will vulch, ho whatever they can as long as they get a kill. next lesson if you get a player away from the group he will run away until he has the advantage. thanks knights now i know what i need to learn and work on . ha 48 times i was vulched got to be a record.
guess i should of read the game instructions.
VULCHING: Vulching is the act of killing someone as they are taking off or just after they take off. Some people (usually the ones who die over and over) will complain about vulching. Most people feel that if they are silly enough to try and take off from an airfield that is covered by enemy, they deserve to die!
lesson learned today players dont care as long as they can get a kill. they will vulch, ho whatever they can as long as they get a kill.
lesson learned today players dont care as long as they can get a kill. they will vulch, ho whatever they can as long as they get a kill. next lesson if you get a player away from the group he will run away until he has the advantage. thanks knights now i know what i need to learn and work on . ha 48 times i was vulched got to be a record.
guess i should of read the game instructions.
VULCHING: Vulching is the act of killing someone as they are taking off or just after they take off. Some people (usually the ones who die over and over) will complain about vulching. Most people feel that if they are silly enough to try and take off from an airfield that is covered by enemy, they deserve to die!
That's it! Ding ding ding!!! In a game like this anything goes and getting kills is the main objective no matter what the opponent believes is a justful death or tactic.
The point is, practice, learning and understanding of ACM, getting better at aiming, avoiding HOs and learning merges so that you can get a jump in the emmilan to gain their 6 more quickly (very important move), understand what maneuvers to perform based on your E state and their E state and what plane you and them are in, understanding SA and when to perform the maneuvers in order to not get picked. It is all about not dying to those pesky HOers and vulchers and instead killing them without putting yourself in too much risk to get shot. :aok.
Good luck
To be honest you learned a life lesson. In real combat as in sim combat the only thing that counts is winning. The tactics used in the sim are and have been used in real life. Like skyyr said it is how you respond to them. There is a time and place for every tactic and it is not cheaqting to use any of them. There is no honor in combat that is for before and after, trust me when I say that. Learning good SA, ACM and the like goes a long way but in the end it is the type of person you are and what you are playing the game for that truly affect how you play and what you will do to win. Keep up the work and like I said we are looking forward to seeing on 187. You sound like just the type of person we are looking for.
there is absolutely Honor in combat.... sorry but you are mistaken...while combat is a much different situation to playing Aces High... Honor being what it is.....and Aces High a game meant for fun...Honor should most definitely be a part of it... it will be if people have honor...
that's the thing about Honor and Integrity...those that have it don't shut it off depending on the situation.
As I mentioned earlier. There is a time and place for everything. What I like to call "situation appropriate" There are times when some of the things we might otherwise few as being not very honorable are certainly appropriate.
HOs as one example. In a setting where nothing much else is going on. Not very classy or appropriate on at least the first merge in what is almost certainly going to start. be fought and end in a 1 V 1 situation. Yea you get the thrill of the immediate kill. But its what I consider a trash kill. Nothing was really proven
Same thing with the vulch. Ok you got the kill. You ruined his fun. You got an addon to your stats which is the only real benefit you get. Its yet another trash kill
In either case. Whats that make you? A tough guy? A skilled Pile it? In the case of the vulch. you almost certainly start off with great advantage to begin with and are likely to still have if you let the opponent up.
Also in the second case all you really managed to do is make it less likely that opponent will up again to fight you. Now you're headed home with one kill or wandering the arena looking for another target. When you might had had a few.
Think about it. And Im sure we've all been there. People end up playing whack a mole on the runway at a field where nobody is trying to capture and after a few vulches. Nobody wants to up anymore. Now you are circling around waiting for something to happen and end up going home. Bored, empty handed, or with only a kill or two.
Well unless you're some kind of massochist.Or you are trying to save a field from capture. Why keep upping if you dont even have a chance of leaving the runway? (to be clear I only consider a vulch a vulch if you have either just spawned or have not yet left the runway. Once you have left the ground you are airborne
In both cases. Sometimes strength isnt the things you can do. But the things you can do and dont. Nothing wrong with doing the honorable thing. by not doing either when you easily could you are saying ot your opponent. "ok lets fight. Lets see what you got." You sacrifice some risk for a test in ability.
I can give an example
Skyyr has been showing himself being capable of showing honor. Ive seen it first hand and experienced it. A couple of weeks ago I was upping from an airfield. Skyyr was loitering about and at a few thousand feet. I knew he had been in the. neighborhood and figured it was him. I upped anyway
Now he could have vulched me at pretty much any point. Even by others more liberal definition of a vulch. But in fact he did not. Maintaining his advantage he waited for me to get away from the field before he pounced. And pounce he did. managed to get him to overshoot and actually had a good chance at getting a shot on him as he went past and climbed up again. But my aim being what my aim has been lately. My rounds missed. Skyyr being Skyyr. You dont get alot of second chances if you miss. Especially if he has the advantage. This was no exception as he made me pay for that miss by promptly killing me on the next pass.
Now. Did he have advantage? Yes. But he had even greater advantage before hand that he did not take that he easily could have but didnt. And while he didnt let me up and gain any real altitude. He did let me up long enough to at least have something to work with. At least that swinging chance. And that in my view is honorable.
As I was going down I noticed two friendlies upping and going after him. I re upped but returned that show of honor by intentionally not joining in. Last I saw was their dots on the map a sector away over the water.
In such ways respect is earned and reputations are made. Both of which last longer then the momentary fleeting glory of the quick and easy kill.
We can afford to have such honor here because our lives really arent on the line. If anyone wants to insist on playing with that kind of realism in mind then they should do the whole shebang. Ok. The kill is everything. But you only get one life. You die. You log. And Ive actually heard of and seen players who played that way.
If you only get one life then yea. Kill or be killed is the norm. Anything goes.
Since its not that way. There is plenty of room for honor as it even provides you the chance of challenging yourself.
On the other hand. If you are out for a base capture. By all means. The vulch light is on. IRL this would be field suppression. The entire point becomes keeping the enemy from stopping the capture
On HO's If you are in the middle of a 3V1 fight for example and a 4th comes in on your 12:00. By all means HO away.
Pretty much the same thing with intense furballs though thats up to individual discretion. People just cone in and out of your gun sights too quick to not take the shot sometimes. I just find it hard to be too critical of those types of HOs.
It gets a little grayer in simple multi con engagements. Yyyeeea you can. But do you really need to? Depends.
Situation appropriate. A time and place for everything. A time and place to be a merciless emotionless cold blooded killer. And a time and place where a more honorable approach would be better for both sides in both getting the kill and an honorable death
He was probably letting you get away from the runway so he wouldn't have to deal with A. Ack and B. Your friendlies. Thats what I do.
well took a hard lesson last night in the DA from FBcrabby on e management . while he floated like a feather i fell to the earth like a rock. it made me feel like a toy on self destruct lol.
well took a hard lesson last night in the DA from FBcrabby on e management . while he floated like a feather i fell to the earth like a rock. it made me feel like a toy on self destruct lol.
Mike,
As I said,you need to break that bad habit of turning nose down all the time! Also try to remember the ABC's I told you about. Relax and try to fly smooth,you will find you arent stalling the wing so often.
:salute
PS: anytime you feel like chasing me around,plz feel free to do so.
I hope you dont get tired of drilling me
hope you dont get tired of drilling me...
but i did learn 1 thing from Skyrr and that was the intro to a book by Robert Shaw on tactics. read about 12 pages and this quote stuck in my mind
" Great pilots are made not born. .. . A man may possess good eyesight,
sensitive hands, and perfect coordination, but the end product is only
fashioned by steady coaching, much practice, and experience"
so see ya all tonight!!
another terrible night of flying.i just cant seem to get it right. cant get an attack angle and if i do i have 10 planes on my 6 and dont have time to get a shot off. 1 thing i have figured out is you cant lone wolf it in this game and even though you have fellow players in a fight there is very little team effort at times. i think i get myself in more trouble trying to help as well.
another terrible night of flying.i just cant seem to get it right. cant get an attack angle and if i do i have 10 planes on my 6 and dont have time to get a shot off. 1 thing i have figured out is you cant lone wolf it in this game and even though you have fellow players in a fight there is very little team effort at times. i think i get myself in more trouble trying to help as well.
thanks violator im starting to use the la 7 more . 1 thing i try to do is cut back on the throttle in my barrel rolls but it seems like everybody knows that trick . thats the biggest problem for new players everybody else knows the BFM AND ACM. . 1 thing i am trying is to break some of the standard defenses and come up with a few new twists. when 1 doesnt work try something else. its a frustrating process as anybody who has been reading this thread can tell . right now i start with the spit 16 ,and split with the la7. heavy ponies and jugs for base attacks . dont know what it is but i have a hard time in the german planes. they dont like me for some reason. hehehe
thanks violator im starting to use the la 7 more . 1 thing i try to do is cut back on the throttle in my barrel rolls but it seems like everybody knows that trick . thats the biggest problem for new players everybody else knows the BFM AND ACM. . 1 thing i am trying is to break some of the standard defenses and come up with a few new twists. when 1 doesnt work try something else. its a frustrating process as anybody who has been reading this thread can tell . right now i start with the spit 16 ,and split with the la7. heavy ponies and jugs for base attacks . dont know what it is but i have a hard time in the german planes. they dont like me for some reason. hehehe
had a good night tonight by my standards , managed to be up to 14 kills and its only the 4 th . whoaaaaaaaaaa. i sure still get picked a lot and sometimes i have rubber bullets . was called a coward tonight ??? not because i flew around my ack but for shooting somebody down . was not a HO . i was helping a fellow rook who had a bogey on his 6 i followed in waited till he was lined up and filled his cockpit full of 20 mill, and 50 cal .
sometimes this game makes me wonder . i mean i get picked all the time i dont call people cowards . i was to understand its your responsibility to keep looking for cons and protect yourself. all i can say is if i get that type of shot again im shooting .