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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Traveler on May 09, 2015, 09:43:40 AM
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Tom Selleck is not a real “American Hero “, CellebTV calls Mr. Selleck “a real American Hero” because of his 6 years National Guard Service during the Viet Nam era. Mr. Selleck was in what was referred to as a champagne unit.
A champagne unit is a US military unit staffed by celebrities or people from wealthy or politically powerful families. Such units have often been part of the National Guard, and assigned to lower-risk duty inside the United States. The term is pejorative, with the connotation that such units were havens for those with connections who wished to avoid conscription into more dangerous duty while still gaining the prestige afforded in the United States to military service.
Over a century earlier, such a unit was called a silk-stocking regiment after the New York's 7th Regiment, whose well-heeled members built their own armory, the Seventh Regiment Armory in the upper East side of Manhattan.
During the Vietnam war, service in the National Guard and Reserve components were seen as a way to avoid combat. Although some number of Guard and Reserve units were in fact "called-up" to combat duty in every US war since they were founded, the risk was especially low in the 1970s. Only 8700 of these soldiers were sent to Vietnam, 0.3% of the personnel who served.
Furthermore, a greatly disproportionate number of famous, wealthy, and/or politically connected young men received slots in the Guard or Reserves during Vietnam, including 360 professional athletes such as Bill Bradley and Nolan Ryan.
Commenting on this disparity, General Colin Powell wrote in his autobiography, "I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well placed and many professional athletes (who were probably healthier than any of us) managed to wrangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to our country.”
One well known champagne unit was the Texas Air National Guard 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, at Ellington Field in Houston. During the Vietnam War many well-connected sons landed in this posting, sometimes with the help of politicians such as Ben Barnes.
• Lloyd Bentsen Jr., son of Lloyd Bentsen
• George W. Bush, son of George H. W. Bush
• John Connally III, son of John Connally Jr.
• the son of John Tower
• James R. Bath
It is insulting to all combat veterans, many of us with no choice, to hear one of these celebrity hacks referred to as a an American Hero.
The good news is that The Total Force Policy, implemented in the aftermath of the Vietnam War by General Creighton Abrams, has eliminated the Guard's and Reserve's shelter from combat. In 2004, National Guard and Reserve units comprised 40 percent of all US forces serving inIraq. As of 2006, 270,000 Guard members (60% of the total force) had been deployed overseas for the maximum amount of time allowed by military regulations.
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Wow. Epic whine. Truly weak and despicable post.
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Selleck joined the guard before he was either famous or wealthy. No strings were pulled. In a non black and white world there is room between hero and despicable.
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Selleck joined the guard before he was either famous or wealthy. No strings were pulled. In a non black and white world there is room between hero and despicable.
Selleck was already a working actor in 1970:
1970 Myra Breckinridge Stud
1970 The Movie Murderer Mike Beaudine TV movie
1972 Daughters of Satan James Robertson
1973 Terminal Island Dr. Milford
1974 A Case of Rape Stan TV movie
1975 Returning Home Fred Derry TV movie
1976 Midway Aide to Capt. Cyril Simard War Film
1977 Bunco Gordean TV movie
1977 The Washington Affair Jim Hawley
1978 Coma Sean Murphy
1978 Superdome Jim McCauley
1978 The Gypsy Warriors Captain Theodore 'Ted' Brinkenhoff
1979 The Chinese Typewriter Tom Boston TV movie
1979 The Sacketts
He married in 71 as well and adopted his wife's child, married with child was an automatic deferment back than. After they switch from the draft to the lottery draft, he was unlucky or so he stated in an interview in 1975 and had a very low number, so he joined the National guard in 71 as well. I have no problem that he went that route, however, he is not as CelebTV called him "a Red Blooded American Hero", sorry, that's for the guys that actually did it. I was a combat medic for 18 months in Viet Nam. I treated and cared for real heros. Tom Selleck isn't one of them.
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He joined the guard in 67. At that time his 'acting career' involved being on the dating Game show twice. I believe anyone who thinks that's an example of wealth and fame pulling strings is exaggerating.
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Selleck was already a working actor in 1970:
1970 Myra Breckinridge Stud
1970 The Movie Murderer Mike Beaudine TV movie
1972 Daughters of Satan James Robertson
1973 Terminal Island Dr. Milford
1974 A Case of Rape Stan TV movie
1975 Returning Home Fred Derry TV movie
1976 Midway Aide to Capt. Cyril Simard War Film
1977 Bunco Gordean TV movie
1977 The Washington Affair Jim Hawley
1978 Coma Sean Murphy
1978 Superdome Jim McCauley
1978 The Gypsy Warriors Captain Theodore 'Ted' Brinkenhoff
1979 The Chinese Typewriter Tom Boston TV movie
1979 The Sacketts
He married in 71 as well and adopted his wife's child, married with child was an automatic deferment back than. After they switch from the draft to the lottery draft, he was unlucky or so he stated in an interview in 1975 and had a very low number, so he joined the National guard in 71 as well. I have no problem that he went that route, however, he is not as CelebTV called him "a Red Blooded American Hero", sorry, that's for the guys that actually did it. I was a combat medic for 18 months in Viet Nam. I treated and cared for real heros. Tom Selleck isn't one of them.
Yes. Those twelve seconds in MIDWAY made him rich and influential.
Your attack is unwarranted and disgraceful. Shame on you.
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Yes. Those twelve seconds in MIDWAY made him rich and influential.
Your attack is unwarranted and disgraceful. Shame on you.
He was already making money as a model and he was a Basketball start at USC and I'm sure one of his coaches helped him with the National Guard. His father was not mega rich but was pretty well off.
Bottom line is, he's not an all American Hero.
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So, to make this clear, you're upset with CelebTV because they called Selleck a hero.
http://www.celebtv.com/tom-selleck
But you're not mad at Selleck.
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Hollywood news groups and shows slaughter the meaning of everything American to pump up ratings.
You might want to look at the history of the 160th based in LA. Since Selleck was living in LA at the time he decided to join the guard (1967), they wouldn't have made him relocate to Detroit being it was the guard. During Viet Nam the 160th was not called up for duty over seas. This may have been due to the Watts riots in 65 and keeping the 160th on hand just in case of a repeat. So Selleck was supposed to pull up stakes and relocate from his home to a guard unit city that was called up? Selleck has never traded on his guard membership for public or personal honor. The idiot writing the CelebTV blurb was giving an insight to how people of that mindset are confused about what is heroic. But, any trigger for the predisposed to get lit up I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
Here is the one paragraph blurb at CelebTV. Selleck cannot win by saying anything one way or another the same as hitech cannot while he is coding AH3. I doubt Selleck even knows the blurb exists.
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http://www.celebtv.com/tom-selleck
Tom Selleck’s Time in the army
MAY 7TH, 2015
In honor of Memorial Day we are honoring celebrities who have served our country. Before they were stars, they served in all military branches, and Tom Selleck is one you can add to the list of heroes. Before his mustache was famous or took to the set of Magnum PI, the movie star served as a California Army National Guard during the Vietnam Era. Talk about impressive. Which proves he is just another celebrity who honors their country.
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Some guy named Roger Printz ripped off Traveler's opening monologue verbatim to post in the comments at CelebTV. He seems to hold grudges like Traveler. Maybe they should get together and start a Tom Selleck twitter hate group while picketing his avacodo ranch in SoCal. Then start a facebook campaign to have Selleck stripped of his spokesman position for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund.
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Kind of wonder if Traveler was a "Real American Hero" myself. I didn't know your military
service got graded by amount of risk involved. I'm sure no hero..I joined the USAF :neener:
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Hollywood news groups and shows slaughter the meaning of everything American to pump up ratings.
You might want to look at the history of the 160th based in LA. Since Selleck was living in LA at the time he decided to join the guard (1967), they wouldn't have made him relocate to Detroit being it was the guard. During Viet Nam the 160th was not called up for duty over seas. This may have been due to the Watts riots in 65 and keeping the 160th on hand just in case of a repeat. So Selleck was supposed to pull up stakes and relocate from his home to a guard unit city that was called up? Selleck has never traded on his guard membership for public or personal honor. The idiot writing the CelebTV blurb was giving an insight to how people of that mindset are confused about what is heroic. But, any trigger for the predisposed to get lit up I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
Here is the one paragraph blurb at CelebTV. Selleck cannot win by saying anything one way or another the same as hitech cannot while he is coding AH3. I doubt Selleck even knows the blurb exists.
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http://www.celebtv.com/tom-selleck
Tom Selleck’s Time in the army
MAY 7TH, 2015
In honor of Memorial Day we are honoring celebrities who have served our country. Before they were stars, they served in all military branches, and Tom Selleck is one you can add to the list of heroes. Before his mustache was famous or took to the set of Magnum PI, the movie star served as a California Army National Guard during the Vietnam Era. Talk about impressive. Which proves he is just another celebrity who honors their country.
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Some guy named Roger Printz ripped off Traveler's opening monologue verbatim to post in the comments at CelebTV. He seems to hold grudges like Traveler. Maybe they should get together and start a Tom Selleck twitter hate group while picketing his avacodo ranch in SoCal. Then start a facebook campaign to have Selleck stripped of his spokesman position for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund.
Yes, that is where I saw the original post and took exception to CelebTV depiction of Tom Selleck as " a real Red Blooded American Hero".
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In that case my father was a coward because all he did during Viet Nam was translate Russian chatter about Viet Nam for the USAFSS out of Kelly and then at Wakkanai Japan. At least because of his chatter translation there was never another Gary Powers incident out of Peshawar per Curtis LeMay.
But, we only got buzzed by Russian bombers there during the Cuban missile fiasco instead of bombed. Maybe I should put in for a purple heart as a 6 year old USAF dependent who crapped his drawers because the Russians flew bombers 100ft over his head loaded with bombs. Air Station Peshawar had about 100 dependent families on post during that fly over. I know, none of us were hero's because we couldn't shoot back.
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Sometimes I'm glad I live in a country that has long lost its obsessions about 'heroes'...
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What gives Traveler? You mentioned W and the theme of your post has certain undertones.
Fugi, called me out for something similar recently and mine was less, ahhhem, and more social.
There's another guy, a hero to many more than Selleck, he did something actually despicable to avoid being drafted...you failed to mention him.
Anyhow, Selleck may be more of a hero for his contributions to the NRA.
Go get 'em Tom!
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During the Vietnam War many well-connected sons landed in this posting, sometimes with the help of politicians such as Ben Barnes.
• Lloyd Bentsen Jr., son of Lloyd Bentsen
Lloyd Millard Bentsen, Jr. (February 11, 1921 – May 23, 2006) was a four-term United States Senator (1971–1993) from Texas. A little old to be drafted for duty at almost 50 don't you think?
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I think Traveller must be...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/3/3b/Robin_Masters.jpg)
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See Rule #4
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Yes, "Dub" lived a privileged life, too. The FACT is not a political statement, it's just plain FACT.
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What gives Traveler? You mentioned W and the theme of your post has certain undertones.
Fugi, called me out for something similar recently and mine was less, ahhhem, and more social.
There's another guy, a hero to many more than Selleck, he did something actually despicable to avoid being drafted...you failed to mention him.
I only saw the one story on CelebTV, they did not call anyone other than Selleck a Red Blooded American Hero. I think associating Selleck with the term Hero because of his national guard service during the Viet Nam era, is insulting to Vets that actually served in combat. If there is another guy that did something despicable, I have no knowledge of it. My exception is with CelebTV assigning the status of Hero to select.
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Lloyd Millard Bentsen, Jr. (February 11, 1921 – May 23, 2006) was a four-term United States Senator (1971–1993) from Texas. A little old to be drafted for duty at almost 50 don't you think?
I think it was his son. I also read somewhere that the original draft that was re-enacted by Johnson's selective service, the age was actually 18 - 55, Just in case they needed some type of professional. Some Doctors sweated that one out. That draft was replaced by the lotto draft and everyone was assigned a number base on birth date.
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Before anyone gets their panties in a twist over a word, let's be sure we all understand the meaning of that word. Whether a person is a hero or not has nothing to do with what he has done, but how others look up to him. A person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities and is regarded as a model or ideal.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I never attacked Selleck, I attacked CelebTV calling Selleck a hero. Back in 1966 guys joining the National Guard were not doing it to be heroic.
Whatever. At least they didn't run off to Canada.
If you want to talk about heroic, my idea is Cassius Clay. He stood on principle and said no way. And I say this as the son of the Aircraft Commander on the last airplane out of Bien Hoa.
In any event, you attacked Tom Selleck in your OP and above. Shameful. He signed up and could have been deployed any time. Hat's off to him.
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National Guard weren't getting deployed like, say the way Bush did for Iraq and Afghanistan, and yes, Selleck didn't do it thinking he might get deployed....There were PLENTY of actors who actually SERVED in ACTIVE combat....I hope I don't have to provide a list...Selleck was no hero.
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National Guard weren't getting deployed like, say the way Bush did for Iraq and Afghanistan, and yes, Selleck didn't do it thinking he might get deployed....There were PLENTY of actors who actually SERVED in ACTIVE combat....I hope I don't have to provide a list...Selleck was no hero.
Whatever.
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National Guard weren't getting deployed like, say the way Bush did for Iraq and Afghanistan, and yes, Selleck didn't do it thinking he might get deployed....There were PLENTY of actors who actually SERVED in ACTIVE combat....I hope I don't have to provide a list...Selleck was no hero.
I'm wondering who you think should have had to pull that duty in his stead?
He signed up,, that's more than some did, anyone who wanted that job could have signed up for it!
I don't think he is a hero just because some magazine or show said he was,
but I do like his contributions as far as the second amendment is concerned ,,
he stands for something that is unproductive to him in his profession ,,
that takes more guts than the average actor has.
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I'm wondering who you think should have had to pull that duty in his stead?
He signed up,, that's more than some did, anyone who wanted that job could have signed up for it!
I don't think he is a hero just because some magazine or show said he was,
but I do like his contributions as far as the second amendment is concerned ,,
he stands for something that is unproductive to him in his profession ,,
that takes more guts than the average actor has.
Amen to that!
And he represented 'Nam Vets well in his portrayal of them as Magnum, to the approval of many, including my dad.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=deZcdIDi_Zs
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So who made traveler the judge? :x
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So who made traveler the judge? :x
Traveler. And Copperhead. :rolleyes:
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Kind of wonder if Traveler was a "Real American Hero" myself. I didn't know your military
service got graded by amount of risk involved. I'm sure no hero..I joined the USAF :neener:
The Air Force took the most casualties in WW2 of any service. They took plenty in Korea and 'nam too and If I remember right they took the most in Gulf-1 and have taken plenty since.
Ive always despised those nice and safe little units for all the princes/princesses of the Kings/Queens. We have them in Police Dept.'s too, where the kids of the powerful can fill out their phoney resumes and prepare for their promotions while never taking fire working a ghetto beat car on midnights. I have a fat middle finger up for all of them.
I remember 'nam and reading my cousins letters to my old man, the massacres he had to survive. He won a silver star saving a group of medics from death or capture and torture. He went 20 years without ever even talking about it and was never the same. I understand Colin Powell's bitterness. Even still "War" is mostly a chore for the middle class and under.
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So clearly, Traveler here has been in the military and can authoritatively state that Mr. Selleck did nothing of recognition, as he has obviously done more himself in service of our country.
What branch did you serve in, Traveler? MOS? Station?
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So clearly, Traveler here has been in the military and can authoritatively state that Mr. Selleck did nothing of recognition, as he has obviously done more himself in service of our country.
Where branch did you serve in, Traveler? MOS? Station?
dont do that,, don't drop Down on that level,, many people served ,, some are called hero, some are hero's, who are we to judge ? How would we know?
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This thread has made me decide to watch some Magnum P.I. on Netflix tonight. Thanks.
Also; some interesting trivia. Tom Selleck was the first pick of both Lucas and Spielberg to play Indiana Jones, but he turned it down due to contractual obligations with universal if Magnum got picked up. Turns out (because of a writers strike) that Raiders finished filming before Magnum finally started so he could have done both. While Raiders was filming in Hawaii, Tom was there working as a handyman for his landlady for $7 and hour.
So maybe not a war hero, but at least he's and honest businessman who honors his contracts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kksKWW3Mc
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This thread has made me decide to watch some Magnum P.I. on Netflix tonight. Thanks.
Also; some interesting trivia. Tom Selleck was the first pick of both Lucas and Spielberg to play Indiana Jones, but he turned it down due to contractual obligations with universal if Magnum got picked up. Turns out that Raiders finished filming before Magnum finally started so he could have done both. While Raiders was filming in Hawaii, Tom was there working construction waiting for see if Magnum would get picked up.
So maybe not a war hero, but at least he's and honest businessman who honors his contracts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kksKWW3Mc
Yep. And he eventually did HIGH ROAD TO CHINA which is a great film in an Indiana Jones style. There was a Magnum episode where he wore the hat and leather jacket as an homage/inside joke/apology by the producers for his missing out on that role.
Great show. The original theme music was also quite good. Look it up.
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High road to China is one of my favorites!
Quigley down under is another!
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High road to China is one of my favorites!
Quigley down under is another!
Agree on both.
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I'm wondering who you think should have had to pull that duty in his stead?
Any of the 500,000 guys that served in Viet Nam would have.
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Any of the 500,000 guys that served in Viet Nam would have.
only 500,000? wrong Again.
semp
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only 500,000? wrong Again.
semp
I was there from 15 Nov 67 through 5 May 69
Vietnam War
Allied Troop Levels 1960-73
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http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwatl.htm
Allied Troop Levels - Vietnam, 1960 To 1973
Year American SVN Aust. Korea New Zeal Philip Thai
1959 760 243000 -- -- -- -- --
1960 900 243000 -- -- -- -- --
1961 3205 243000 -- -- -- -- --
1962 11300 243000 -- -- -- -- --
1963 16300 243000 -- -- -- -- --
1964 23300 514000 198 200 30 20 --
1965 184300 642500 1560 20620 120 70 20
1966 385300 735900 4530 25570 160 2060 240
1967 485600 798700 6820 47830 530 2020 2200
1968 536100 820000 7660 50000 520 1580 6000
1969 475200 897000 7670 48870 550 190 11570
1970 334600 968000 6800 48450 440 70 11570
1971 156800 1046250 2000 45700 100 50 6000
1972 24200 1048000 130 36790 50 50 40
1973 50 1110000 -- -- -- -- --
SOURCE: Dept of Defense Manopower Data Center
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Anyone who willingly serves their country is a hero traveler, even a morally decrepit whiner such as you. You have managed to take disgusting to an entirely new level. I served, where,when, how is none of your damn business. I dont consider myself any sort of hero, but i sure do have many that i served with.
Pathetic whiners such as you deserve all the disdain they can garner. You should have your hands full by now.
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I was there from 15 Nov 67 through 5 May 69
Traveler walked the walk. If memory serves, he was in a no-kidding combat unit for those years. If he still bristles at the notion of Nam-era Guard units being equated with grunts humping in the boonies, he's certainly entitled to that opinion.
- oldman
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Traveler walked the walk. If memory serves, he was in a no-kidding combat unit for those years. If he still bristles at the notion of Nam-era Guard units being equated with grunts humping in the boonies, he's certainly entitled to that opinion.
- oldman
Yep, he is entitled to be completely wrong.
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Traveler walked the walk. If memory serves, he was in a no-kidding combat unit for those years. If he still bristles at the notion of Nam-era Guard units being equated with grunts humping in the boonies, he's certainly entitled to that opinion.
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So this appears to be about jealousy, then. Traveler goes to Nam and sees harsh combat and comes home to a thankless country (as many vets of that era did). Mr. Selleck didn't see combat, but still serves and is celebrated as a loved soldier-celebrity. 50 years later, Mr. Selleck is touted as a model American hero, damaged feelings are inflamed once more, and this thread erupts.
Seems about the right, no?
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Sometimes I'm glad I live in a country that has long lost its obsessions about 'heroes'...
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Germany? :rofl
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Traveler walked the walk. If memory serves, he was in a no-kidding combat unit for those years. If he still bristles at the notion of Nam-era Guard units being equated with grunts humping in the boonies, he's certainly entitled to that opinion.
- oldman
<S> to Traveler and all the other vets who played the Lottery, without their rich and famous Daddies finding soft and cushy spots for them. I myself was at the closest air base to Tehran when those students over ran that embassy. In a combat rated unit I was in the 1/2 of the squadron assigned to go when we invaded. For days we mobilized but Carter didnt send us. In the end its all luck of the draw. Either a bullet is 1 inch to close or your in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Those who "want" to be Hero's seldom end up being one.
Unless "Daddy" gets it for you. In your cup cake unit.
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Selleck should be the next NRA president. :rock
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People consider John Wayne a hero too. We've so overused the word it has lost its meaning.
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People consider John Wayne a hero too. We've so overused the word it has lost its meaning.
funny you say this...was just gonna post about it and read what you said....
my thoughts and feelings....now a days basketball players and football players are called hero's and it is disgusting...they actually have commercials calling it "Hero ball"
makes me want to puke...
very few know what the word hero means...
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funny you say this...was just gonna post about it and read what you said....
my thoughts and feelings....now a days basketball players and football players are called hero's and it is disgusting...they actually have commercials calling it "Hero ball"
makes me want to puke...
very few know what the word hero means...
"Hero ball" is a pejorative to true fans of the sport.
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Traveler; I haven't heard you say, just others, so if you did serve in Vietnam, I thank you for your service.
You are more than entitled to an opinion on this subject; however you must know not all are going to agree with you and many are going to attribute the things he's done in the last 20yrs to being a hero than say Guard duty, (maybe that he didn't run off to the USSR makes him more likeable than a very well known absconder).
However; iirc ~2.5 million US servicemen/women set foot in 'Nam from '63 to '75. 59,000 KIA.
-not 500k
anyhow :salute you certainly earned your entitlement to your opinion.
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Its why I have no respect for Nugent I dont care what he say's about two of my lifes loves, hunting and the shooting sports. Its why I have no respect for John Kerry and his Purple Heart shenanigans he flim-flammed to get out of service while the son's of the time clock punchers had to stay and fight.
Want to talk the talk then you'd had better of walked the walk. I have nothing against Selleck, from what I know he never used his pampered service record to brag at all "unlike Kerry". But only a fool would believe him a "Hero".
The "Hero's" come home in box's or they spend the rest of their lives walking on aluminum legs. Many have no physical injuries but are haunted for years by scar's only they can see.
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Traveler; I haven't heard you say, just others, so if you did serve in Vietnam, I thank you for your service.
You are more than entitled to an opinion on this subject; however you must know not all are going to agree with you and many are going to attribute the things he's done in the last 20yrs to being a hero than say Guard duty, (maybe that he didn't run off to the USSR makes him more likeable than a very well known absconder).
However; iirc ~2.5 million US servicemen/women set foot in 'Nam from '63 to '75. 59,000 KIA.
-not 500k
anyhow :salute you certainly earned your entitlement to your opinion.
I never said 500K died in Viet Nam, I said 500K served, that was the number in 68 I served from Nov 67 to May 69 as a combat medic with the 5th group.
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Dear Cod in Hev'n. Enough already! I can dig where Trav's coming from. CelebTV made too much ado about Sellick's guard time. More than Sellick would ever have dreamed of doing. Sellick didn't do anything wrong. CelebTv sucks. Trav saw combat and deserves some respect for that (which I do). Not many in this game can probably say they walked in those shoes.
Thanks for posting the thread, Trav and :salute
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I never said 500K died in Viet Nam, I said 500K served, that was the number in 68 I served from Nov 67 to May 69 as a combat medic with the 5th group.
traveler many times more than 1/2 a million served in vietnam. what you are trying to say, I think, is that 1/2 a million served at any one time.
http://www.veteranshour.com/vietnam_war_statistics.htm
semp
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I never said 500K died in Viet Nam, I said 500K served, that was the number in 68 I served from Nov 67 to May 69 as a combat medic with the 5th group.
Sorry what I wrote was confusing. What I meant to correct was the 500K served. Like Semp said...maybe at one time. The total count serving in Vietnam I believe was ~2.5 million US.
~ 59,000 KIA
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Wow...brokering a cease-fire here was way harder than hammering out the Paris Peace Accords.
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This says it all about Sellek, Bush, et al: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM&list=PLf6-wYiizn9PjX-5EHG7CcIYYV8R6rGBQ
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Here's a little story about someone I consider a hero and an inspiration.
An ex gf's mom found out about her husband's affair while she was home raising 4 children. They had been HS sweethearts and the husband's job kept him traveling a lot.
After she decided on divorce she picked up the pieces, continued to raise the children and got her real estate license. Ok, not uncommon...so far. A few years later she found out she had breast cancer. She had radical mastectomy w/ removal of lymph on the effected side. Come to find out many years later post chemo/rad and remission, they gave her double the amount of recommended chemo agents; that has led to congestive heart failure and many complications.
Everyday she gets up earlier than most, goes to work, doesn't complain much and keeps on truckin along.
Hero? I think so.
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Here's a little story about someone I consider a hero and an inspiration.
An ex gf's mom found out about her husband's affair while she was home raising 4 children. They had been HS sweethearts and the husband's job kept him traveling a lot.
After she decided on divorce she picked up the pieces, continued to raise the children and got her real estate license. Ok, not uncommon...so far. A few years later she found out she had breast cancer. She had radical mastectomy w/ removal of lymph on the effected side. Come to find out many years later post chemo/rad and remission, they gave her double the amount of recommended chemo agents; that has led to congestive heart failure and many complications.
Everyday she gets up earlier than most, goes to work, doesn't complain much and keeps on truckin along.
Hero? I think so.
Agreed RB, a true role model.....and hero