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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ML52 on May 23, 2015, 02:38:46 PM
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I am thinking of upgrading my computer from XP but don't know which OS to go to. I'm thinking windows 7 SP1 64 bit home.
System Manufacturer ASUSTEK COMPUTER INC
System Model P5W DH Deluxe
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~2404 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 1201, 8/15/2006
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Total Physical Memory 4,096.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.35 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
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Check out this link. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,372150.0.html
Some good advice in there.
Coogan :joystick:
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Thanks 100Coogan. After reading that link I called BestBuy and talked with tech support. He said my computer will handle win7 and I should get the 32bit version.
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Is there any reason why you wouldn't consider 64Bit. Your system appears to have enough umph to run it.
Newer software/games will be for 64Bit, but many are 32Bit compatible.
If I'm not mistaken, you will be capped at that 4GB RAM on a 32Bit Windows OS, whereas on 64GB you can go much higher. (If your motherboard supports more than 4GB RAM)
Coogan
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^ The motherboard only supports 8GB DDR2.
To the OP, I would think long and hard before I spent money upgrading the operating system. I would make a new computer a priority.
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100Coogn that was what the tech support guy from bestbuy told me to get. I do plan on a new computer but not till later this year.
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I would take the 64 bit version. 32 bit versions only can handle 4 GB of memory and if I haven't misunderstood the memory of the graphics is included.
Since you're going to build a new computer later you can use the OS you bought for that new one, too, presuming the installation from the current one will be removed. If you're going to get the new computer in a few months, you might even consider running the new OS in demo mode for 120 days without activating it as described here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/extend-the-windows-7-trial-from-30-to-120-days/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/extend-the-windows-7-trial-from-30-to-120-days/).
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Do not waste money on a 32 bit version of the operating system.
The 32 bit OS cannot run 64 bit applications. The 64 bit version can run both 322 bit and 64 bit applications.
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And you are going to need more ram if you want to run Win7 properly with games and other apps. The real question is if it's worth to buy 8Gb or DDR2 to the old computer or just refresh the whole thing while at it. Usually it's counter productive to start upgrading the OS to an old computer. You may not even find suitable drivers for the old hardware.
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I would take the 64 bit version. 32 bit versions only can handle 4 GB of memory and if I haven't misunderstood the memory of the graphics is included.
I don't believe this to be correct: the graphics memory is paged in and uses up only a fraction of the total graphics card memory size in CPU memory space. I have 32 bit Win XP and 4GB of RAM with a 2GB GPU yet I have way more than only 2GB of CPU RAM available.
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I don't believe this to be correct: the graphics memory is paged in and uses up only a fraction of the total graphics card memory size in CPU memory space. I have 32 bit Win XP and 4GB of RAM with a 2GB GPU yet I have way more than only 2GB of CPU RAM available.
No it is correct. Current graphics card can use 4-8Gb of ram by themselves. The 32-bit memory subsystem can't handle anything beyond 4Gb without PAE and PAE is basically disabled in consumer versions of Windows since most 32-bit device drivers can't handle it.
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Just get a 64-bit OS.
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No it is correct. Current graphics card can use 4-8Gb of ram by themselves. The 32-bit memory subsystem can't handle anything beyond 4Gb without PAE and PAE is basically disabled in consumer versions of Windows since most 32-bit device drivers can't handle it.
wrong :old:
it is like 3.73 gig it can see :P
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wrong :old:
it is like 3.73 gig it can see :P
Stick to tattooing pls.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64
Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB
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Stick to tattooing pls.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
oh hell no you didnt :furious
you pull out a link on me.....da neuve
I was actually thinking about xP :o
durp
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oh hell no you didnt :furious
you pull out a link on me.....da neuve
I was actually thinking about xP :o
durp
if he wants to get technical just look into why 4gb card actually dont have 4gb. actually neither do the 1gb or the 2gb. they alway seem to have a little less. I think a 4k it's a bit closer to 3.73 than to 4.
semp
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oh hell no you didnt :furious
you pull out a link on me.....da neuve
I was actually thinking about xP :o
durp
The same link contains the same exact information about XP. Perhaps you should study the subject a bit before posting? Same goes to semp. We're talking about the memory subsystem limitations, not practical availability after bios addressing etc.
The following table specifies the limits on physical memory for Windows XP.
Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 Limit on IA64
Windows XP 4 GB 128 GB 128 GB (not supported)
Windows XP Starter Edition 512 MB N/A N/A
How graphics cards and other devices affect memory limits
Devices have to map their memory below 4 GB for compatibility with non-PAE-aware Windows releases. Therefore, if the system has 4GB of RAM, some of it is either disabled or is remapped above 4GB by the BIOS. If the memory is remapped, X64 Windows can use this memory. X86 client versions of Windows don’t support physical memory above the 4GB mark, so they can’t access these remapped regions. Any X64 Windows or X86 Server release can.
X86 client versions with PAE enabled do have a usable 37-bit (128 GB) physical address space. The limit that these versions impose is the highest permitted physical RAM address, not the size of the IO space. That means PAE-aware drivers can actually use physical space above 4 GB if they want. For example, drivers could map the "lost" memory regions located above 4 GB and expose this memory as a RAM disk.
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The 32-bit memory subsystem can't handle anything beyond 4Gb without PAE and PAE is basically disabled in consumer versions of Windows since most 32-bit device drivers can't handle it.
I remember back in win98 and XP, we had to fiddle around with the PAE and even run special .bat files to have use of more ram for our autocad and load calculating programs, back when I was able to work...... kind of miss working and doing that stuff, not using the brain functions using those programs/software for over 6 years , I can see and realize the toll it has taken on my memory.....
back to the topic:
save your money for a new build, go ahead and upgrade to Win 7 64 bit ( the home premium version minimum, but I would recommend the Win 7 pro 64 bit minimum personally, since home premium tops out at 16 GB of sys ram )
I have some spare sticks of 1 GB and 2 GB DDR2 memory , if you need a couple.......... shoot me a pm
TC
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I have some spare sticks of 1 GB and 2 GB DDR2 memory , if you need a couple.......... shoot me a pm
TC
Grab that offer, increase your ram to the 8 GB max your current rig can handle, install the 64 bit version of Win7, overclock your processor a little (or get a second hand better one for next to nothing) and enjoy that until we see what the new AH version will require.
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I remember back in win98 and XP, we had to fiddle around with the PAE and even run special .bat files to have use of more ram for our autocad and load calculating programs, back when I was able to work...... kind of miss working and doing that stuff, not using the brain functions using those programs/software for over 6 years , I can see and realize the toll it has taken on my memory.....
back to the topic:
save your money for a new build, go ahead and upgrade to Win 7 64 bit ( the home premium version minimum, but I would recommend the Win 7 pro 64 bit minimum personally, since home premium tops out at 16 GB of sys ram )
I have some spare sticks of 1 GB and 2 GB DDR2 memory , if you need a couple.......... shoot me a pm
TC
I have 4 sticks of 2GB RAM each, if he could use them. I believe they're G-Skill.
Can't beet the price (free)
Coogan
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my bad, I should have said my offer was "FREE" as well, I should not have assumed all AH players already knew that....
TC
Coogan :aok
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my bad, I should have said my offer was "FREE" as well, I should not have assumed all AH players already knew that....
TC
Coogan :aok
I knew you meant free TC. :cheers:
Coogan
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Thanks TC and Coogan. I'm out of town for a few days will get in touch when I get home. :salute
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ok I've decided to go with 7 but have a question. When I get the disk can I format and partition my hard drive with it? I do know that I have to format the drive to get a "clean" install, am I right?
Turns out xp isn't seeing all the memory actually installed.
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ok I've decided to go with 7 but have a question. When I get the disk can I format and partition my hard drive with it? I do know that I have to format the drive to get a "clean" install, am I right?
Turns out xp isn't seeing all the memory actually installed.
Yes, you can create however many partitions you want and format them,, etc... With the Win7 disc
TC
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ok I've decided to go with 7 but have a question. When I get the disk can I format and partition my hard drive with it? I do know that I have to format the drive to get a "clean" install, am I right?
Turns out xp isn't seeing all the memory actually installed.
As TC said, yes, you can format and partition your hard drive with the Win7 disc. If you want to split your hdd into more than one partition, I'd suggest you only create the OS partition with the disc and do the rest from within Windows. Note that the partitioning/installing procedure will also create a small partition for System use, so if you need to redo the partitioning for any reason you'd have to remove the system partition too.
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Yes, you can create however many partitions you want and format them,, etc... With the Win7 disc
TC
think the max number is 3 partitions.
semp
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think the max number is 3 partitions.
semp
There shouldnt be a limitation. Why would there?
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There shouldnt be a limitation. Why would there?
In simple terms.
When using the traditional MBR configuration, there is a limit, for every file system type available. NTFS limits you to 4 physical partitions, or 3 physical partitions and 1 virtual partition. These are maximum values.
Now, in the virtual/extended partition, you can have up to 25 logical drives, but those are not partitions.
Mounted drives are, yet again, another beast.
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This is semantics again. Nobody is forced to use the legacy MBR (well, unless you're using legacy hardware with a 32-bit windows that is).
Windows desktop versions have had GPT boot support since Vista and EFI specification lists a minimum of 128 partitions to be supported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
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I have windows 7 installed. 64bit to be exact. tried using windows to create partitions and it limits me to 3 plus a virtual.
But if you have a better way do tell instead of just playing games.
semp
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I have windows 7 installed. 64bit to be exact. tried using windows to create partitions and it limits me to 3 plus a virtual.
But if you have a better way do tell instead of just playing games.
semp
This same process should work for Win7 x64: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn336946.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
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If you allow, I have a dumb question: What is the reason for wanting more than 4 partitions on one single disk?
I know that by calculating the price per gigabyte a 3 TB hard disk is a tempting choice. Then again, think about a huge basket full of eggs: If the bottom falls off, they're scrambled no matter how many dividers in the basket. In case of a major hard disk failure the data on separate disks than the failed one will be safe.
Raid is yet again another beast.
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I got windows 7 up and running today; used 1 partition. I am having some issues with having to give permissions for the pictures, doc, etc that I stored on my external hard drive. Also searching for a free version of microsoft word, had one with xp.
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I got windows 7 up and running today; used 1 partition. I am having some issues with having to give permissions for the pictures, doc, etc that I stored on my external hard drive. Also searching for a free version of microsoft word, had one with xp.
Am I right to suggest that opening any file is prohibited and the system asks if you'd like to get the permission? If so, this might help: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753659.aspx (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753659.aspx). Hint: instead of making you the owner of the files, give full permissions to Everyone. That way you can use the files with any computer you attach the external hdd to.
There's no such thing as a free version of Microsoft Word. Several years ago there was a bundled offer with a preinstalled Office, as well as the Office Starter with certain OEM Win7 computers.
You might like to try the free Office Live: https://office.live.com (https://office.live.com) but if you're concerned about your privacy, Libre Office (https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/) might be a better alternative.
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Am I right to suggest that opening any file is prohibited and the system asks if you'd like to get the permission? If so, this might help: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753659.aspx (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753659.aspx). Hint: instead of making you the owner of the files, give full permissions to Everyone. That way you can use the files with any computer you attach the external hdd to.
There's no such thing as a free version of Microsoft Word. Several years ago there was a bundled offer with a preinstalled Office, as well as the Office Starter with certain OEM Win7 computers.
You might like to try the free Office Live: https://office.live.com (https://office.live.com) but if you're concerned about your privacy, Libre Office (https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/) might be a better alternative.
Yeah libreoffice does everything that paid office does practically and it doesn't have the stupid ribbon ui.
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There's no such thing as a free version of Microsoft Word. Several years ago there was a bundled offer with a preinstalled Office, as well as the Office Starter with certain OEM Win7 computers.
He might be thinking of WordPad.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/wordpad
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He might be thinking of WordPad.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/wordpad
If that's the question, then yes, it's a very good alternative for most text creating and editing needs a private person would ever need. But it can't open and save .doc files which are very common as e-mail attachments. At least my version of WordPad in Win7 Home Premium doesn't. IIRC the Win8 version does, but don't rely on me in this.
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Thanks guys up and running! :salute