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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1stpar3 on May 31, 2015, 01:40:21 AM
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I don't gripe (usually), but this sort of bothers me. Last Friday in this particular example, but happens really Quite often. I know being a one country loyal player exists And a lot of side swappers are out there, so here's the problem. Friday we were getting pushed hard by rooks and they just about had us 2 to 1. Thing is, that was just on roster counts. Thus no eny for rooks as we had 33 guys in the tower,and were there a long time. Is it too much to ask that you logout? I mean it only takes a few seconds to log back in. Rooks were flying any thing they wanted and without the tower guys, we would have given them a pretty high eny. It was needed as we were so out numbered. All I can say is, that maybe you could play with the countries interest to heart? some folk like not be out manned, and cant hold bases if red guys can be scattered(isure do love scattering red guys, hah) all over attacking. I am not saying I want to change your style of play, as its about having fun any which way you can. So just asking for some thought for other players. Ok sorry for the extended post but I needed to really explain my point. Thanks for your patients with the reading of this.
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Ok
I don't gripe (usually), but this sort of bothers me. Last Friday in this particular example, but happens really Quite often. I know being a one country loyal player exists And a lot of side swappers are out there, so here's the problem. Friday we were getting pushed hard by rooks and they just about had us 2 to 1. Thing is, that was just on roster counts. Thus no eny for rooks as we had 33 guys in the tower,and were there a long time. Is it too much to ask that you logout? I mean it only takes a few seconds to log back in. Rooks were flying any thing they wanted and without the tower guys, we would have given them a pretty high eny. It was needed as we were so out numbered. All I can say is, that maybe you could play with the countries interest to heart? some folk like not be out manned, and cant hold bases if red guys can be scattered(isure do love scattering red guys, hah) all over attacking. I am not saying I want to change your style of play, as its about having fun any which way you can. So just asking for some thought for other players. Ok sorry for the extended post but I needed to really explain my point. Thanks for your patients with the reading of this.
ENY should be counted only from players who are 'in flight'. Counting towered players is not beneficial to anyone.
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A very large percentage of players never post on bbs so I would imagine nearly as many don't read it. To them (and me) it's just a game. We log in for fun when we have the time. Sometimes we get pulled away mid game. sometimes for a minute but then it gets longer. This happened to me on Friday night. I went away for ten minutes and returned after three hours, logged off and went to sleep.
You just have to roll with it. I've been on plenty with eny in both directions and always found something I wanted to fly that would help in the situation I was in. I have no doubt they would have done the same and rolled you in p40's. Eny barely slows the horde.
I would bet that somewhere else on the map at that exact moment, your lower numbers side had a green blob at some base. It is what it is. Just enjoy it your way and don't allow other's game play to influence your's.
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I would like to bet that those '33' players in the tower are not the same ones the whole time! At any one time there may be approximately the same number of people in the tower, as flights end and begin again. However many are in the arena, a certain percentage are always going to be in the tower at one time or another. Stop looking for excuses and just enjoy the game! :old:
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Sorry to say but you will get 2000 reasons not to change the eny system, and 10 to do so. So until the owner of this sand box we use changes it we are stuck with it and yes it does suck :bhead
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Really right now the only way to clear the tower of these sitters is to reset the arena.
The rules are not going to be changed regarding ejecting tower sitters.
Everyone jump over to the country with the least amount of tower sitters and win the war.
Tower sitters will be ejected and a majority of them denied war win points.
ENY will be more accurate for hopefully the rest of the night.
In order for this to work the "change sides" rule will have to be modified.
(I know this isn't a logical solution, but coming up with one hasn't been done yet anyway so flame on!)
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Nothing will ever be done abut this.
From a technical stand point, for every way someone comes up with to take the tower sitters out of the equation there are a number of ways "around" the proposals to make them useless.
Hitech says it all averages out so it isn't worth making any changes.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
Drane's suggestion, while drastic and unlikely to happen (everyone working together that much to clear a map just to fix ENY?) is about the only option. Either that or players could take it upon themselves to show a little class and NOT be a tower sitter. I think Dranes suggestion has a better chance of working :devil
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All the "everyone should play the game the way I want them to, so it makes it easier on me" people makes it easier for me to stay away from the game. I even had to concede and respect Skyyr's method of fighting, because ultimately it's his dime and as long as he's not cheating or gaming the game( which he doesn't) he can do it the way he wants.
It's utterly ridiculous to keep complaining about things that don't need to be changed. Reset the map just because there are people in the tower and you can't fly you low ENY plane? BAH! Play or quit. Those who continually BMW(b**tch, moan and whine) need to get a life. They make the game MUCH more unpleasant than those who are in the tower.
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SNIP: All the "everyone should play the game the way I want them to, so it makes it easier on me" people makes it easier for me to stay away from the game....
And yet, what you complain about is exactly what many inactive tower sitters are doing to the active players just to get war win points.
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BMW(b**tch, moan and whine) text
Maybe you should reread the OPs post. He said nothing about having a problem with ENY on his side. Par flies higher ENY planes the majority of the time.
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And yet, what you complain about is exactly what many inactive tower sitters are doing to the active players just to get war win points.
Do you have definitive proof of that? There's a post previous to yours that explains exactly why some( and probably MOST) end up parked in the tower.
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Maybe you should reread the OPs post. He said nothing about having a problem with ENY on his side. Par flies higher ENY planes the majority of the time.
Maybe YOu should reread the OP. "Rooks were flying any thing they wanted and without the tower guys, we would have given them a pretty high eny." So it's ok as long as the high ENY is on the other teams' sides, I guess.....
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If ENY was only calculated for players "in flight", then you'd see a huge number of people waiting in the tower so the ENY disappears, then they all launch a huge horde of uber planes...at which point the ENY would spike. How is that more fair than it is now?
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Do you have definitive proof of that? There's a post previous to yours that explains exactly why some( and probably MOST) end up parked in the tower.
Do you really think most players that sit in the tower just for war win points are going to admit to it? Obviously what jeep00 said about players accidentally sitting in the tower occurs, but those players most likely wouldn't mind being ejected anyway.
I've seen some very emotional comments about how people will quit if inactive players are ejected (similar to this...) "I worked 12 hours to get us near victory, I damn well better get those points if we win!"
What's the point in listing any proof I may have? HiTech already said he's not going to do anything about it.
That leaves it up to players to take action to remedy the situation.
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The absolute answer to this "problem" is to quit complaining about the game, and either quit or play. Ultimately the pleasure you derive from the game is up to you, not anyone else. It's so darned tiresome to see so many people who are playing a GAME complain about someone else. If you're not having fun, it's up to you to find a way to, or STOP PLAYING. The game will go on without you, I promise.
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Maybe YOu should reread the OP. "Rooks were flying any thing they wanted and without the tower guys, we would have given them a pretty high eny." So it's ok as long as the high ENY is on the other teams' sides, I guess.....
Reset the map just because there are people in the tower and you can't fly you low ENY plane? BAH! Play or quit.
Again, reread the post. Par has nothing wrong with ENY on his side. He has a problem with the tower sitters.
Better yet, dont worry about it. You dont play anymore as it is.
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Again, reread the post. Par has nothing wrong with ENY on his side. He has a problem with the tower sitters.
Better yet, dont worry about it. You dont play anymore as it is.
You're right. Par has no problem with ENY on his side, he has a problem that ENY isn't high on THEIR side. The statement I quoted from his post says exactly that. I'm not playing right now, because I had gotten to the point that I played too much. The biggest detractors to this game are the perennial complainers, of which there are many. I know, I used to be one, until I realized that MY ENJOYMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ME, NOT OTHERS. It's the same way in life. If YOU want keep blaming others, go ahead, you'll never really enjoy the game.
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You're right. Par has no problem with ENY on his side, he has a problem that ENY isn't high on THEIR side. The statement I quoted from his post says exactly that. I'm not playing right now, because I had gotten to the point that I played too much. The biggest detractors to this game are the perennial complainers, of which there are many. I know, I used to be one, until I realized that MY ENJOYMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ME, NOT OTHERS. It's the same way in life. If YOU want keep blaming others, go ahead, you'll never really enjoy the game.
I enjoy the game just fine, and have since 2002. Again, par has a problem that due to tower sitters on his side, there isn't a higher ENY on the enemy's side. I think par has the right to voice his opinion on this matter. Go back through his posts, he has never complained about anything in game before, and even if he did, he has just as much right to do so as the others do.
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Obviously, you're just not going to be happy unless you defend someone who is complaining that his side's eny is higher than anther sides. So be it. Your last statement just said that he was unhappy because the OTHER side's ENY wasn't higher. If they had LESS people in the tower( since tower or flight doesn't effect ENY, it's number of people) their ENY would allow BETTER planes for fewer perks, of more LOW ENY planes to be flown. Think about it. If side A has 100 people, either IN tower or in FLIGHT, and side B had 50 people either in tower or in flight...WHO has the ability to fly better planes. SOOOOOO, if you boot their tower huggers, YOUR ENY gets WORSE, not better. They have EVEN LESS players, which means you FURTHER restrict your ability to fly low ENY planes.
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*Insert face palm*
"Obviously, you're just not going to be happy unless you defend someone who is complaining that his side's eny is higher than anther sides. So be it." Again, Par isn't complaining about his ENY being higher than another countries ENY.
"Obviously, you're just not going to be happy unless you defend someone who is complaining that his side's eny is higher than anther sides. So be it. Your last statement just said that he was unhappy because the OTHER side's ENY wasn't higher." Contradiction?
With what you said:
"Think about it. If side A has 100 people, either IN tower or in FLIGHT, and side B had 50 people either in tower or in flight...WHO has the ability to fly better planes. SOOOOOO, if you boot their tower huggers, YOUR ENY gets WORSE, not better. They have EVEN LESS players, which means you FURTHER restrict your ability to fly low ENY planes."
Country A: 100 people.
Country B:50 people.
Country A has a higher ENY. Country B gets higher perk bonus and lower perk cost. But your missing the point.
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Country 1 has 50 people in flight and 50 in tower; 100 players
Country 2 has 90 people in flight and 10 in tower; 100 players
There is no ENY due to the same amount of players. If the tower sitters were to log off, then country 2 would have ENY.
The original complaint was that a country was getting rolled by another country that had double the amount of players in flight; but there was no ENY due to the people sitting in the tower. If the people in the tower on country 1 would log off, then there would be an ENY on country 2. Thus making it more difficult for them to effectively and easily roll bases.
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Who cares about ENY??? all the good planes are 25 eny and above LOL....No but seriously some players keep the game logged on for no reason. It really doesnt hurt to log off and log back in when you are ready to play. To Be Honest I usually keep the game running also like when i need to shower, grab a bite or even on a beer run. I really need to log off when I feel like I'm gonna be afk for more than 15 minutes. HTC should disconnect Any players being inactive for more than 15 minutes in the tower. :aok
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And yet, what you complain about is exactly what many inactive tower sitters are doing to the active players just to get war win points.
If they have to do that for perks then that is sad. The best way is to not fly perk planes. Learn some acm.
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Who cares about ENY??? all the good planes are 25 eny and above LOL....No but seriously some players keep the game logged on for no reason. It really doesnt hurt to log off and log back in when you are ready to play. To Be Honest I usually keep the game running also like when i need to shower, grab a bite or even on a beer run. I really need to log off when I feel like I'm gonna be afk for more than 15 minutes. HTC should disconnect Any players being inactive for more than 15 minutes in the tower. :aok
Honestly, I'd be fine if it was auto disconnect after 30min or an hour. I understand that things come up. That's life. And its not that hard to double click Late War arena after someone has been auto disconnected. No need to disconnect someone all the way, just to the lobby.
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What the hell is "eny"?
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I guess it wasn't as clearly defined as I had hoped? I have no desire to change the eny or any other aspect of Aces High. I wasn't even complaining about being pummeled to oblivion(as I enjoy giving one myself). Yes I do understand that tower sitting happens for a myriad of reasons, I was in the tower each time I checked the roster counts, and waiting for a VH to come up at that particular V base. The thing I was trying to get at were the number of guys in-active sitting in a tower. I checked several times in the course of a couple hours. The smallest number in the tower during this time was 33. It went as high as 46 on a couple occasions as well, several at same tower I was in. Vh comes up, roll out, get killed by bombs taking out Vh, repeat. Luckily the hangers were all out of sinc, otherwise I would have needed to change towers lol. As I stated in my earlier post, it happens on all sides at most times and cool,I get that, but in this "particular" incident the side balancing effect of having an ENY would have been helpful. It probably wouldn't have helped me out as much as I am still developing my acm. I don't have a problem with getting killed at all, in fact I am quite proficient at it, but it could have enabled a strat attack with no ME 163 interlopers for example. My point was just that maybe being conscious of the situation before sitting in the tower for extended time. To me it is more like pulling a gv up to someone in a spawn camp situation and leaving my engine on then taking a lot of needless range shots, thus giving the guy next to me away, and getting him killed. I already know I am gonna get it but why kill him as well? Was just an observation of that moment in time. Thanks for the feed back guys it was appreciated.
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as long as they put the dam kettle on and aren't spying with their multiple accounts who gives what the tower sitters are doing!!!
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Spies are everywhere...... :noid
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I guess it wasn't as clearly defined as I had hoped? I have no desire to change the eny or any other aspect of Aces High. I wasn't even complaining about being pummeled to oblivion(as I enjoy giving one myself). Yes I do understand that tower sitting happens for a myriad of reasons, I was in the tower each time I checked the roster counts, and waiting for a VH to come up at that particular V base. The thing I was trying to get at were the number of guys in-active sitting in a tower. I checked several times in the course of a couple hours. The smallest number in the tower during this time was 33. It went as high as 46 on a couple occasions as well, several at same tower I was in. Vh comes up, roll out, get killed by bombs taking out Vh, repeat. Luckily the hangers were all out of sinc, otherwise I would have needed to change towers lol. As I stated in my earlier post, it happens on all sides at most times and cool,I get that, but in this "particular" incident the side balancing effect of having an ENY would have been helpful. It probably wouldn't have helped me out as much as I am still developing my acm. I don't have a problem with getting killed at all, in fact I am quite proficient at it, but it could have enabled a strat attack with no ME 163 interlopers for example. My point was just that maybe being conscious of the situation before sitting in the tower for extended time. To me it is more like pulling a gv up to someone in a spawn camp situation and leaving my engine on then taking a lot of needless range shots, thus giving the guy next to me away, and getting him killed. I already know I am gonna get it but why kill him as well? Was just an observation of that moment in time. Thanks for the feed back guys it was appreciated.
Yours was a fair observation, par, I'm not sure why some people had issues with it. I'd also like tower sitters to be ejected to the lobby after X # of minutes, but I'm sure there are problems with that solution or it'd've been put in place by now.
Most of us are adults, and a lot (not most) act like it lol. A little consideration toward your comrades who might be denied the plane they wanted because you didn't bother to log off when you knew you'd be afk a while? Is that too much to ask?
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A very large percentage of players never post on bbs so I would imagine nearly as many don't read it. To them (and me) it's just a game. We log in for fun when we have the time. Sometimes we get pulled away mid game. sometimes for a minute but then it gets longer. This happened to me on Friday night. I went away for ten minutes and returned after three hours, logged off and went to sleep.
You just have to roll with it. I've been on plenty with eny in both directions and always found something I wanted to fly that would help in the situation I was in. I have no doubt they would have done the same and rolled you in p40's. Eny barely slows the horde.
I would bet that somewhere else on the map at that exact moment, your lower numbers side had a green blob at some base. It is what it is. Just enjoy it your way and don't allow other's game play to influence your's.
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So please tell me what' the big deal with logging out and back in when you return? If your going away for 1 min or several hours, what's the big deal with logging out and having to log back in? If you are playing and you got discoed would you not log back it?
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I get drawn away by the telephone or family ack all the time.....and sometimes forget to log out....I really don't know why people get so upset about eny....... :old:
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I get drawn away by the telephone or family ack all the time.....and sometimes forget to log out....I really don't know why people get so upset about eny....... :old:
I don't think anyone here is upset about eny. The discussion is on why do people just sit In The tower and not log off. When they don't log off, they can potentially make it more difficult for their own country to take/hold bases.
For an example, see one of my post from earlier in this thread.
Sorry for any misspellings/grammatical failures, I'm trying to reply from my phone.
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I see now why so many thought my post was a gripe about the game :bhead I was looking at other posts and see it has been quite prevalent on the bbs. My intent was to get folk to think of others game enjoyment. It wasn't a selfish I, me, mine type complaint. Seems my way of thought is maybe too rarely seen? I don't care about changing game play one bit. Well maybe the sure fire kill you dead as Hell aces being a different color than everyone else could be helpful! That way I could crap myself well before the second turn of the fight, sort of get it over with :joystick: I am a team player and will do all I can to help out others. I know it could be kind of crazy or stupid but I have ditched with kills to land, to bring troops to a team mate turreted in his perk tank. I am very generous by personality as well, wont go in to details, but my Squad mates know what I am referring to. Its just who I am and it helps me to deal with my personal struggles in life. Might even be way to much sunday school? The Golden Rule was pounded in very well. I love this game and the characters I have met in it have filled my days and nights with some great fun. For example getting teased about running from a lady in a pink spitfire, to an evil guy named Kev flying naked(hope he isn't really but still) to a certain truck driver with an Dracula accent and love of beer and his old squaddie that can imitate him far too well. :x I even found an old high school class mate in the game. To some it may seem lame, but this game means a lot to me. I am not able to get out much these days, and you fellow players are some of my only non family contact I get on a regular basis. This game has given me reasons to laugh again and I go crazy when I cant be on. I know I am glad I didn't find this game back when I working, might have been an issue! Not sure I could have done both and the game might have won out :neener: I hear the usual gripes and complaints every day and at times I cringe. Hearing anyone talk about quitting over some problem or issue really hits me. I wish I could have been on when the numbers were higher but I had a life and a job, and sure hope this game continues for a long time. So after hearing this problem and seeing its effect(tower sitters) I figured I would voice a opinion and try to get folk to think of other players a bit more. Hey it might not change anyones mind but you never know if you don't try. Right? Hope this explanation doesn't come out as a look at me thing as I don't need acknowledgment or pity at all, just setting the record straight to get you to see it from my perspective. Thanks for the feed back as well as it gave me a reference as to the level of success my idea will achieve. :salute
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I don't think anyone here is upset about eny. The discussion is on why do people just sit In The tower and not log off. When they don't log off, they can potentially make it more difficult for their own country to take/hold bases.
For an example, see one of my post from earlier in this thread.
Sorry for any misspellings/grammatical failures, I'm trying to reply from my phone.
And at work no less!! Still thinking about the game. See what I mean? Would have had to quit working long before I had to! Thanks for the back-up on trying to help me explain, Boss!
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I get drawn away by the telephone or family ack all the time.....and sometimes forget to log out....I really don't know why people get so upset about eny....... :old:
That makes you part of the problem. It's not unheard of in other online games that after 30 minutes of idle time, your session is disconnected. I don't understand what the big deal is with that. It is not like it takes a lot to log back in. The players that just stay logged in are selfish and impacting everyone's game play. Would love to see the stats that HiTech used to justify his "no impact" statement. Perhaps when he had thousands of players that was true, but with today's numbers?
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I don't think anyone here is upset about eny. The discussion is on why do people just sit In The tower and not log off. When they don't log off, they can potentially make it more difficult for their own country to take/hold bases.
who cares.. what if they are actually playing but not helping you take or hold bases? you want them kicked off too?
what about someone just chatting with friends?
in the end this is about people not playing the way you want them to.
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I have known some people who will sit in the tower just to keep downloading the skins . They will log on in the evening , stay logged and go to bed. When they get up , the skins will be done ..
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I've never quite bought into the train of thought that the "ENY" balances anything in the
main arena. As it is a theater-wide implementation its effect on balance is basically nil.
I personally see it more as yet another instance of aggravating/frustrating game mechanics
which overall serves no purpose other than to further drain the numbers of active pilots/subscriptions
to the game.
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Folks gets upset about ENY Because most guys likes to fly 190d9, p51d and typhoons......ENY screws it up for them lol....
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I've never quite bought into the train of thought that the "ENY" balances anything in the
main arena. As it is a theater-wide implementation its effect on balance is basically nil.
I personally see it more as yet another instance of aggravating/frustrating game mechanics
which overall serves no purpose other than to further drain the numbers of active pilots/subscriptions
to the game.
HTC and in particular HiTech disagrees with you and is his solution to balancing sides. Right or wrong, his opinion is the only one that matters. While at one time the number of players that remained "out to lunch" and were included in the calculation of ENY, the numbers of active players was so great as to render their inclusion as insignificant, however, with today's numbers down their impact is no longer diminished.
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Frankly, if I had spent a bunch of perks defending bases, or taking bases towards a win, I'd think about staying logged on if the win was imminent. That's not been the case for me, cause I always play knights...... :x :banana: :bolt:
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I have known some people who will sit in the tower just to keep downloading the skins . They will log on in the evening , stay logged and go to bed. When they get up , the skins will be done ..
Exactly! That is a legit reason to sit in a tower, that's how most new players do that. Again I wasn't trying to poo poo anyones game playing style. In my example it was more of a team play type situation. So many in the tower "in active" hurt the team. Its not about wanting cheap perk rides or flying low eny planes,it was that the side balancing aspect of having an ENY was not applicable. I still had a blast personally but for some it was a reason to log. I know "their problem" and maybe having eny kick in wouldn't have changed the situation much, but will never know as it didn't happen that way. It was just my observation of a particular incident.
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Exactly! That is a legit reason to sit in a tower, that's how most new players do that. Again I wasn't trying to poo poo anyones game playing style. In my example it was more of a team play type situation. So many in the tower "in active" hurt the team. Its not about wanting cheap perk rides or flying low eny planes,it was that the side balancing aspect of having an ENY was not applicable. I still had a blast personally but for some it was a reason to log. I know "their problem" and maybe having eny kick in wouldn't have changed the situation much, but will never know as it didn't happen that way. It was just my observation of a particular incident.
I think you have to remember that not everyone in the game is interested in the team. A lot just come in to do whatever they feel like doing for while and then leave. Some will stay logged in because they will return after a while....and some will not............and then we have the spies... :noid
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South flies nekkid (so Sik tells me). Of course, he throws on a bath robe in the tower.
I once took a dump that lasted 35 minutes and forgot to log off. During that satisfying half an hour plus all our sheep were raped by the Bish. Twas a shameful thing. Maybe it was a good thing I missed witnessing it (as it's doubtful I could have prevented it). I made amends by sitting in an idling jeep for an hour (actually, I had the runs and had to visit the head again).
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All the "everyone should play the game the way I want them to, so it makes it easier on me" people makes it easier for me to stay away from the game. I even had to concede and respect Skyyr's method of fighting, because ultimately it's his dime and as long as he's not cheating or gaming the game( which he doesn't) he can do it the way he wants.
It's utterly ridiculous to keep complaining about things that don't need to be changed. Reset the map just because there are people in the tower and you can't fly you low ENY plane? BAH! Play or quit. Those who continually BMW(b**tch, moan and whine) need to get a life. They make the game MUCH more unpleasant than those who are in the tower.
So your suggesting that everyone play the game like you, or your way correct? If a fighter guy who pays his $15 a month to chase down buffs hitting the strats complains because those buffs bail before he can kill them your saying he is wrong, and should shut up and play the game. He is not being allowed to play his way, but it is ok for the buff player to play his? Why? whats the difference?
The same goes for the HQ downers. it's ok to do what they want but others have to suck it up?
There are a lot of ways to play this game. It is full of balances. When there were 200 players per side, 40 of them sitting in the tower wasn't that big a deal, now with 40 per side 20 IS a big deal. BALANCE.
I don't think people want huge re-writes of the game, just balance. HQ should take more effort to take down, much like the effort it takes to bring it back up. If you are going to use ENY as a balancing tool , it has to balance with the smaller numbers. Personally if you team doesn't win the war WHILE your on and helping I don't think you should get any perks. You DIDN'T earn them because you DIDN'T win the war. Much like a good landing, if you slide off the runway you don't get a good landing, because it wasn't a good landing, YOU SLID OFF!. Take away the biggest reason people sitting in the tower (free perks just in case their team wins) and ENY may work the way it was mean even with the smaller numbers.
Folks gets upset about ENY Because most guys likes to fly 190d9, p51d and typhoons......ENY screws it up for them lol....
Whats wrong with them flying the planes they want? I'm sure a lot of people PAY to fly ponies because its the plane that captures their imagination. Just because YOU don't mind flying something else, don't try to force other to "play your way" and fly planes they don't want. It doesn't make them wrong just because they don't play the game the way YOU do.
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'Huge' .... not 'Huge' .... the difference in philosophy being whether one insists that the programmer make the game fun for them (or fun again) versus the realization that players are the ones creating the fun or even ruining the fun. If a player finds dropping another country's HQ fun (this is part of the game design) then how is making it harder to do this via programming NOT catering to the player that get frustrated about their HQ being dropped (but is too busy to be bothered to do anything about it themselves)? Why does it take a programmer when players can actually stop the player from dropping it? It's hard? When did something being a challenge become bad? And what about players on the same side as the HQ dropper including him (or her) in other activities that are just as fun (if not more so)? Are we to presume that the lone dropper is such just because they are anti-social? Who's tried to talk them out of it by offering them something better?
The game setup and tools are what they were when more players were having fun and knew how to have fun without petitioning HT to 'make it fun.' Let's take charge of our own fun again. Numbers? Again, that's players acting out when they forget how to have fun and blame the wrong source because they are too lazy or immature to take charge in a positive way. 'All my friends quit!' 'All my squaddies quit!' 'It's HT's fault!' Mno. It's all your friends and squaddies faults (and, face it, yours ... for enabling that attitude) for wanting others (HT)/letting others (the HQ dropper) take charge of their fun.
All this 'behavioral policing' (for things not breaking TOS or involving hacking the game) is just so much bemusement. People need to beech less and exemplify more. Did DoK Gonzo sit in his poopy pants and scream about how unfair all the other players were acting? No. He adapted .... he overcame .... he conquered.
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37600000/Clint-Eastwood-in-Heartbreak-Ridge-clint-eastwood-37688814-1600-900.jpg)
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I don't think people want huge re-writes of the game, just balance.
While that's a nice thought, I'm not sure it's so.
- oldman
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And here we have the another example of what Par was talking about. This is the lowest our ENY has been in the past 2 hours. There hasn't been more that 42 people in flight during that time.
(http://i.imgur.com/v9kRdfK.jpg)
Is it to much to ask those that are going on an extended AFK to logout to the lobby?
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And here we have the another example of what Par was talking about. This is the lowest our ENY has been in the past 2 hours. There hasn't been more that 42 people in flight during that time.
(http://i.imgur.com/v9kRdfK.jpg)
Is it to much to ask those that are going on an extended AFK to logout to the lobby?
Excellent example, it you are trying to show that Eny works and the number of players flying vs sitting in the tower.
The Bish have ENY because they have the numbers.
The Bish have 66% of players in the air
The Knights have 66% of their players in the air.
The Rooks have 72% of their players in the air.
Kicking out the tower sitters would in effect do absolutely nothing. The Bish Eny would have been exactly the same.
Please, tell me again what your post was trying to prove?
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'Huge' .... not 'Huge' .... the difference in philosophy being whether one insists that the programmer make the game fun for them (or fun again) versus the realization that players are the ones creating the fun or even ruining the fun. If a player finds dropping another country's HQ fun (this is part of the game design) then how is making it harder to do this via programming NOT catering to the player that get frustrated about their HQ being dropped (but is too busy to be bothered to do anything about it themselves)? Why does it take a programmer when players can actually stop the player from dropping it? It's hard? When did something being a challenge become bad? And what about players on the same side as the HQ dropper including him (or her) in other activities that are just as fun (if not more so)? Are we to presume that the lone dropper is such just because they are anti-social? Who's tried to talk them out of it by offering them something better?
The game setup and tools are what they were when more players were having fun and knew how to have fun without petitioning HT to 'make it fun.' Let's take charge of our own fun again. Numbers? Again, that's players acting out when they forget how to have fun and blame the wrong source because they are too lazy or immature to take charge in a positive way. 'All my friends quit!' 'All my squaddies quit!' 'It's HT's fault!' Mno. It's all your friends and squaddies faults (and, face it, yours ... for enabling that attitude) for wanting others (HT)/letting others (the HQ dropper) take charge of their fun.
All this 'behavioral policing' (for things not breaking TOS or involving hacking the game) is just so much bemusement. People need to beech less and exemplify more. Did DoK Gonzo sit in his poopy pants and scream about how unfair all the other players were acting? No. He adapted .... he overcame .... he conquered.
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37600000/Clint-Eastwood-in-Heartbreak-Ridge-clint-eastwood-37688814-1600-900.jpg)
It could not have been said any better!
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Excellent example, it you are trying to show that Eny works and the number of players flying vs sitting in the tower.
The Bish have ENY because they have the numbers.
The Bish have 66% of players in the air
The Knights have 66% of their players in the air.
The Rooks have 72% of their players in the air.
Kicking out the tower sitters would in effect do absolutely nothing. The Bish Eny would have been exactly the same.
Please, tell me again what your post was trying to prove?
In that screenshot, if the 20 players were kicked from the bish side, 10 from the knights, and 9 from the rooks, this would put the total % at each side at Bish: 46.7%, and rook at knight at 26.7%. Thus doing this relieves the bish side a little bit.
In the following screenshot, the % for each side would be Bish: 42.4%, Knights 28.3%, and Rooks 29.3%. Thus lowering the ENY for the bish.
(http://i.imgur.com/TDHWtnu.png)
In the following screenshot, the % for each side would be Bish: 28.6%, Knights 35.2%, and Rooks 36.2%. Thus lowering the ENY for the Rooks.
(http://i.imgur.com/MknEsAI.png)
In the following screenshot, the % for each side would be Bish: 21.4%, Knights 39.6%, and Rooks 39%. Thus raising the ENY for the Knights. As the bish were outnumbered due to tower sitters.
(http://i.imgur.com/U4XZXJs.png)
In the following screenshot, the % for each side would be Bish: 27.4%, Knights 30.1%, and Rooks 42.5%. Thus raising the ENY for the Rooks.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hyrb3j0.png)
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So...it changes and everyone gets hit at some time or the other. Refer to post by Arlo.
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It could not have been said any better!
This is why the game needs you, Coppr. :cheers:
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People who complain about ENY, I find to have the same great level of ignorance about the system, why it exists, and why it operates how it does. This is also true for those who complain about the collision model.
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And I find myself buying Devil505 a drink. :cheers:
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'Huge' .... not 'Huge' .... the difference in philosophy being whether one insists that the programmer make the game fun for them (or fun again) versus the realization that players are the ones creating the fun or even ruining the fun. If a player finds dropping another country's HQ fun (this is part of the game design) then how is making it harder to do this via programming NOT catering to the player that get frustrated about their HQ being dropped (but is too busy to be bothered to do anything about it themselves)? Why does it take a programmer when players can actually stop the player from dropping it? It's hard? When did something being a challenge become bad? And what about players on the same side as the HQ dropper including him (or her) in other activities that are just as fun (if not more so)? Are we to presume that the lone dropper is such just because they are anti-social? Who's tried to talk them out of it by offering them something better?
The game setup and tools are what they were when more players were having fun and knew how to have fun without petitioning HT to 'make it fun.' Let's take charge of our own fun again. Numbers? Again, that's players acting out when they forget how to have fun and blame the wrong source because they are too lazy or immature to take charge in a positive way. 'All my friends quit!' 'All my squaddies quit!' 'It's HT's fault!' Mno. It's all your friends and squaddies faults (and, face it, yours ... for enabling that attitude) for wanting others (HT)/letting others (the HQ dropper) take charge of their fun.
All this 'behavioral policing' (for things not breaking TOS or involving hacking the game) is just so much bemusement. People need to beech less and exemplify more. Did DoK Gonzo sit in his poopy pants and scream about how unfair all the other players were acting? No. He adapted .... he overcame .... he conquered.
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37600000/Clint-Eastwood-in-Heartbreak-Ridge-clint-eastwood-37688814-1600-900.jpg)
Ok, fun for me is flying the 51D, why can't I "have fun" flying it anytime I choose? If I do recall, I do like all of you "pay" to have this fun!
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You can fly it anytime you want in the MA. There ya go. Happiness. ;)
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Ok, fun for me is flying the 51D, why can't I "have fun" flying it anytime I choose? If I do recall, I do like all of you "pay" to have this fun!
you should switch sides to the lower side.. presto..
oh yeah except we're forced to stay on a side for 12 hours.
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Yup. Limit is 12 hours. For every soul playing. There's a few other limitations, as well. Gotta spend perks for some rides. If someone decides that one of those rides is the only way they can have fun, well, they have to suffer flying something else until they build up perks. If they blow those perks then they .... gotta start over. Oh the grind. If they've built the perks then, gawsh, there must have been other planes they managed to fly (and maybe even enjoy).
By and large, this game was designed with a lot of factors figured in. And players, the way they play, what they play .... are factored in. And .... being an interactive game (an MMO, if you will) there will be some limits for the good of all (yeah, it really isn't all about just us, as individuals, no matter how many waive their wallets and demand changes just to suit themselves). Those players that have unrealistic expectations/desires because they only want to fly one specific low eny plane and they don't want to switch sides and they don't want to fly events and ... and ....
Here's idea. If a player only likes the bubble around themselves to be a certain way there may be a good dozen or so offline dog-fighting games that'll cater to that. If a player likes AH, an online dog-fighting MMO with settings and limits that apply to all, then by cawd like AH and play the game.
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I think some are drifting off topic.
ENY isn't a problem here. We all have high ENY planes we enjoy. The purpose of the thread was to show that those that go AFK for extended periods of time hinder the ability of their own country. This makes it difficult for the ENY to help balance the gameplay.
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You can fly it anytime you want in the MA. There ya go. Happiness. ;)
No you are wrong, I can't fly anytime I want cuz of eny, and no I will not switch, cuz to me that is NOT fun......so where is my fun and happiness???
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:uhoh p51-b :uhoh
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No you are wrong, I can't fly anytime I want cuz of eny, and no I will not switch, cuz to me that is NOT fun......so where is my fun and happiness???
Oh yes you can. ENY never gets so high that you can't take any plane anymore. You just have to learn to let go of your late war/perk crutch planes when odds are against your enemy.
I don't understand why people want to kick tower players, all that needs to be done is to count ENY from the players that are actively in flight. Problem solved.
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Oh yes you can. ENY never gets so high that you can't take any plane anymore. You just have to learn to let go of your late war/perk crutch planes when odds are against your enemy.
I don't understand why people want to kick tower players, all that needs to be done is to count ENY from the players that are actively in flight. Problem solved.
How would that account for players waiting in the tower for a mission to up?
I don't understand why people don't just log off if they are going to be afk for extended periods of time.
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I think some are drifting off topic.
ENY isn't a problem here. We all have high ENY planes we enjoy. The purpose of the thread was to show that those that go AFK for extended periods of time hinder the ability of their own country. This makes it difficult for the ENY to help balance the gameplay.
Frankly, that's because you are delusional if you think for some reason the country you are on always has a large percentage of tower squatters. Yes, you can pick and choose your screenshots to show whatever you want but the bottom line is, the tower sitters affect everyone the same so they affect no one at all.
Seriously sir, what part of that do you not understand?
If you seriously have convinced yourself that the country you are on has more than their share of those dastardly tower squatters, why don't you switch sides, permanently, to rid yourself of those people as team mates, especially since you see "them" as doing so much harm to the game?
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I have been interested in this topic for years and observed proof it is a real problem in real time. I also believe there is no practical solution except for players themselves to take action. What are the chances of that happening?
Of course it averages out in the long run, but for some of the players dealing with it real time, it is a glaring problem. PLAYERS WHO INSIST ON BEATING OTHER PLAYERS OVER THE HEAD OR CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DERAIL OR BELITTLE THEM ARE NOT HELPING!
Yes you can pick the following scenario apart by a thousand "what if's" but I have seen this happen many times.
Example late night / early morning USA time frame:
1. The scenario originally described in this post is occurring.
2. The war is won.
3. Arena resets.
4. Inactive players don't come back. (this includes inactive players that are hiding out in the arena instead of the tower)
5. Most active players return.
6. Within minutes the ENY is accurate and, guess what, rooks have ENY.
What is wrong with asking inactive players to consider the active player's ability to enjoy the game?
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I have been interested in this topic for years and observed proof it is a real problem in real time. I also believe there is no practical solution except for players themselves to take action. What are the chances of that happening?
Of course it averages out in the long run, but for some of the players dealing with it real time, it is a glaring problem. PLAYERS WHO INSIST ON BEATING OTHER PLAYERS OVER THE HEAD OR CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DERAIL OR BELITTLE THEM ARE NOT HELPING!
Yes you can pick the following scenario apart by a thousand "what if's" but I have seen this happen many times.
Example late night / early morning USA time frame:
1. The scenario originally described in this post is occurring.
2. The war is won.
3. Arena resets.
4. Inactive players don't come back. (this includes inactive players that are hiding out in the arena instead of the tower)
5. Most active players return.
6. Within minutes the ENY is accurate and, guess what, rooks have ENY.
What is wrong with asking inactive players to consider the active player's ability to enjoy the game?
How about....Because We're NOT RESPONSIBLE for your enjoying the game or not? YOU ARE! This comes down to people not being able to fly the low ENY planes that they have limited themselves to being able to fly. Typically that means they can't fly their boom and zoom run away planes. Learn other types of flying, fly higher ENY planes and quit griping about it. I never once have complained, or even felt like it, about ENY. If I can't fly one plane, there are MANY more plane that can be flown. It's pointless and counter-productive to gripe about a "problem" that's not really a problem, but a solution to another LARGE problem that "players themselves" DIDN'T take action on. And yes, it's appropriate to state that the complainerds (like my new word?) are just gripers who want others to do what they think they should. It still comes down to play the way I THINK YOU SHOULD play or I'll continuously whine about it.
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How about....Because We're NOT RESPONSIBLE for your enjoying the game or not? YOU ARE!
:ahand
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:ahand
Read the rest. Whiners gonna whine......
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No you are wrong, I can't fly anytime I want cuz of eny, and no I will not switch, cuz to me that is NOT fun......so where is my fun and happiness???
No, I am right. Your unwillingness to switch doesn't make me wrong. Just because you're as hard to keep happy as my ex doesn't make the world unfair. My sympathy for you has limits, too.
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No, I am right. Your unwillingness to switch doesn't make me wrong. Just because you're as hard to keep happy as my ex doesn't make the world unfair. My sympathy for you has limits, too.
As hard to keep happy as my ex....that's a winner!
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No you are wrong, I can't fly anytime I want cuz of eny, and no I will not switch, cuz to me that is NOT fun......so where is my fun and happiness???
I demand unperked, non-eny'd Me 163 at all bases so that I can fly them anytime I want, because flying anything else is not fun and thus totally unacceptable.
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Its right that only ingame (GVs / planes / boats) players should trigger the ENY system... :rock
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Attention upset P51D pilots, I have solved your problem! Read on if you're interested! :D
You love you're P-51D. It's fast, it's maneuverable, it's got good guns. Overall it's a beast of a plane but, oh no! ENY has kicked in! Have no fear as there are several other planes that you can take that are equal to or even better than the P-51D! Here is a list of planes that I'd recommend you could try out.
ENY at 5 - So ENY has just gotten high enough to prevent you from upping the 51D? That's ok because at an ENY of 10 the P-47M is a superb plane and somewhat similar to the P-51D. In some cases it's even better! It's got excellent top speeds, superb high speed handling AND low speed handling, even MORE firepower than the 51D, and is just as maneuverable as the P-51D. I think it might even be MORE maneuverable! You can also fly the P-47N, the heavier, but just as beastly, brother of the P-47M! Though it is the heaviest of the Jugs and has the lowest top speed on military power if you take the smaller 8 gun package or even one of the 6 gun packages and 50% fuel MAX, then the 47N becomes just as good or even better than the 47M! Don't like the 47M and N for whatever reason? Maybe you don't like the lose in climbing performance? Don't worry because also at ENY 10 is the Yak-3! Again, this plane is VERY fast, VERY maneuverable, and while it doesn't have a lot of ammo it does pack quite a mean punch when you land hits. Best of all it has an even BETTER climb rate than the 51D!
ENY at 10 - So ENY has gone up some more and you can't fly the 47M/N or Yak3? Don't fret! At ENY 15 we have the 190D9! While not quite as maneuverable as the P-51D it is still very capable. It also boasts the BEST roll rate of any plane in the game! It's also very fast just like the P-51D and has a superb climb rate. In fact, with WEP, the D9 out climbs the 51D, and boy do you have a lot of wep! The firepower is arguably even better than the P-51D as well! If you want to stick with American Steel then there is also the P-38L at 15 ENY! This thing should be perked it's such a beast! Superb guns (all in the nose too!), great speed, but most of all the incredible ability to fight vertically! There are VERY few planes in the game that can match a P-38 in a climb.
ENY at 15 - So those dastardly tower squatters have bumped ENY above 15 now eh? Well that's fine because at ENY 20 we have a whole host of planes to choose from! First is the 109K4. This plane could be called the P-51D of the German airforce! It's FAST! It's climb rate is one of the few that can give P-38's trouble, it's firepower is AMAZING if you can aim the big 30mm on it, and it's crazy maneuverable! I'm sure you've seen what expert K4 pilots can do with this thing in game. There's also the Ki-84 which could be the Japanese P-51D! It's quite fast as well, has an insane climb rate, insanely maneuverable, and it's guns pack a mean punch! Seriously, fly this plane and you'll know why great pilots like INK love it to death. We also have another Jug to choose from too! The D40! Just like all other jugs this thing is amazing! Great speed, superb handling, amazing diving ability, and of course 8 50cals! Best of all about being stuck with 20 ENY planes is you can skip all planes that I have mentioned up to this point and fly the P-51B!! It's a P-51! Just what you want! It may not be the iconic D but it flies exactly the same, in fact, it's even better than the D!
ENY at 20 - So more people are ruining your fun by going afk? Well there are still plenty more planes to choose from! At 23 ENY we have the Yak9u. Just like the Yak 3 at 10 ENY the 9U is FAST! It climbs well, handles well, and packs a big punch with it's limited ammo load. In some ways it's even better than the Yak-3 as it is faster and is a bit more stable at low speeds. At 25 ENY we have a few planes to choose from. There's the 109G14 which is just as much of a powerhouse as the K4 is. Best of all, if you don't like the 30mm then you have the option to remove it on the G14 and take a much more reliable 20mm instead! You just can't go wrong with the G14. If you were a fan of the 190D9 then you're going to LOVE the 190A5! This is regarded as the BEST 190 in the series, and for good reason! It's still got the absurd roll rate that 190s are known for, but it's also surprisingly nimble for a 190! Spitfires will even be shocked to see how well this thing can turn! It's still very fast for being an early 190 as well! If you don't like the gun option of the 190A5 then there's always the A8 with it's much bigger firepower! I'll be honest though, I personally think the A8 is the toughest of the 190's to do well in. It's slower than the A5 and D9, and noticeably heavier but it more than makes up for these short comings with shear raw firepower! SO MANY CANNONS! If you fly your P-51D in a BnZ style then doing the same in the A8 will see planes dying at a much faster rate! Lastly at 25 ENY we have yet another Jug! Huzzah for the Jugs! This time it's the D-25 and it's just as amazing as all the other Jugs! it isn't quite as fast as the later Jugs but it is still fast enough and is just as maneuverable!
ENY at 29 - So those tower queens have completely ruined your fun now by maxing out the ENY, right? WRONG! Because ENY can no longer go any higher and we still have TONS of planes to fly! Some choices for you P-51D pilots that I recommend are the 109F4/G2/G6. Just like the G14 and K4 before them, these 109s are dogfighting monsters! The F4 is quick, and fast enough to catch most planes. It's light weight and incredibly nimble! It also has a very respectable climb rate and with a very powerful engine on such a light plane you can keep the nose up longer than most other planes! Struggling with the speed of the F4? Take the G2! It is in all sense EXACTLY THE SAME as the F4. The only difference is that it's faster! It may lose a little bit of the nimbleness that makes the F4 a beast but it's more than maneuverable enough to beat anything you'll come across. If you just don't like the 7.92mm MGs the G2 and F4 have then take the G6! Again, it's almost exactly the same as the G2 with a few minor differences, most of which you won't even notice. The big upgrade of the G6 is it adds 13mm MGs instead of 7.92! Also at 30 ENY is the last of the Jugs, the D11. This plane should be illegal it's so much fun! It's still got the amazing diving ability that all Jugs have, and the insane 8 50cal gun package, but it's also very lightweight for a Jug! This light weight makes this plane crazy maneuverable! I have made a number of spitfire pilots wet their pants surprised to see a Jug out turning them! You also have the Mossi 6 to fly at 30 ENY. What can I say about the Mossi other than HOLY CRAP! This thing is a MONSTER!!! There are very few things in this world scarier than seeing a Mossi diving on you! The firepower of this thing is so insane that all you have to do is touch your opponent for the briefest of moments and you're likely to be shredding their wing clean off! It's also very fast with great diving and climbing abilities! It may be a bit on the heavy side and you will feel it, but if you keep the plane fast, and keep your hand steady then this thing is one of the beastliest planes there are! Lastly, we have the Yak9t. Just like all yaks, this thing is fast! It's nimble. It's got limited ammunition but anything it hits will be feeling it, especially if you take the 37MM! Nothing is more satisfying than landing a hit with that big gun!
And that's it! Those are planes that I feel are equal to or even superior to the P-51D and ones that I think P-51D pilots will find enjoyable when the ENY kicks in. :aok
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You don't happen to sell cars, do you?
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You don't happen to sell cars, do you?
I run a business called "Latrobe Aeroparts". We take working parts from planes I crash and sell them to people. :D
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... if you think for some reason the country you are on always has a large percentage of tower squatters.
You'd think that'd be reason enough to switch sides. :D
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How would that account for players waiting in the tower for a mission to up?
I don't understand why people don't just log off if they are going to be afk for extended periods of time.
It wouldn't have to. If the mission was set up prior to ENY rising it would be a fair deal. Plus all the players who upped the mission would effect the ENY of the rest of the country immediately when the mission launches.
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No, I am right. Your unwillingness to switch doesn't make me wrong. Just because you're as hard to keep happy as my ex doesn't make the world unfair. My sympathy for you has limits, too.
So what you're saying here essentially is that your ex wanted a bigger and more powerful toy so you had to let her go? :devil
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So what you're saying here essentially is that your ex wanted a bigger and more powerful toy so you had to let her go? :devil
Not so much. Current wife (version 2/sane and reasonable) has no complaints.
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
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:rofl
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(http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/brilliant.jpg)
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
Perfect! What they don't know can't bother them!
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
who let you out of your room?????
you are punished into your room until you get AH done young man...
now turn around and get back in there before I have to pull out the old belt and learn ya from the Bible son....... :furious
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Best way of starting a neverending paranoļa in forums "Bish(or Knits or Rooks) were all in tower, im sure...blah..blah..etc..." and with no proof, no end... :O
After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
This is a great idea! :lol
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players. :t
HiTech
You are my freaking hero!! ALL HAIL TO HiTech!!! Laud and honor to our magnificent leader!!!!
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After years of players complaining about ENY & tower sitting I have finally come up with a solution.
In the next version I will be removing the display of players counts in flight and only display total players.
You underestimate the depth of paranoia. Only a matter of time before someone sends a spy over to the other side to count the green dots on the map and compare it to the total.
And then maybe a counterspy to come back and count the dots on his own side.
This could be fun. I have dibs on being Napoleon Solo.
- oldman
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This could be fun. I have dibs on being Napoleon Solo.
- oldman
Well, since the actor who played Napoleon Solo is an old man now, that would fit. :grin:
Of course, whoever gets to be Illya Kuryakin would need to have a call sign of "Ducky".
(If you don't understand this joke, look it up on IMDB.com)
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This could be fun. I have dibs on being Napoleon Solo.
- oldman
Full marks awarded for The Man from U.N.C.L.E. reference. Well done.
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Still very few got my point. This wasn't a gripe about the game! I am not going to beat this horse anymore as it is quite dead by now. I was simply asking for folk to think of other players, when it would help the cause so to speak. It was in regards to a " Dang when I left we were up,and they are winning now" type comment. DUH! You guys left but stayed in tower and we were fighting 262S with Fi's and slingshots. Ok an exaggeration but very few will get that either I am sure. Didn't know it would get such a response. I agree with all the sentiments expressed but just find it hard to understand how my point wasn't understood. I don't know how else to explain it anyway. I LOVE YOU GUYS anyway! :salute I am left with one big question now... I have seen 400 players at one time, but got 3 million ways to play this game :confused: Ok back to work I guess :bolt: DANG :airplane:
I love this game!