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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wizz on June 03, 2015, 03:24:49 PM
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Log on and complete my greetings to everyone on cybro's vox channel 149. Ask whats the sitrep and 3 people respond back "defense." Well FineTime's best defense is a good offense. Call for a 27 mile drive for an m3 around a mountain and deack of base and town. After 1st attempt bish resupped the twn while the deack was completed. Guns down 2 hours.
On my 2nd attempt i brought the m3 to a barn just outside of town as i passed over town holding ords. With a perfect line up from town to base i 1st dropped the VH. Now i have 6 bish planes and 3 GV's on the base.
My first pass on town was clean and scored a kill in a whirble. My 2nd pass came exactly 51 seconds later at 125mph 3 flaps and wep. After WF i nosed down and dragged 4 with me. 5th joined after i shot down 2 of their birds. Greed got the best of the bish as the only defender of town bit on me.
I eventually am shot down as 3 friendlies make it to town. We take the base. Bish immediately deacked. Within 15 minutes they took the base back with a horde of M3's.
The point was to never hold the base. After securing 2 bases prior to logging in rooks a were left defending those bases. Although we did not hold onto 51 for very long we took all the pressure off our southern flank and tied up half the Bish Army for an hour. Just this act alone brought the fight over to the bish/knight front on the other side of the map. No resup surrounded by knights and Bish bases. Complete success in the face of extreme odds! Things like this are what drives me to keep coming back.
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Oh
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So point is that you guys took a base that you lost in 15 mins...
:cheers: :salute
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I'm glad people have a good time in the game. The only thing that caught my eye was the term Bish Army. I often hear people discussing the other countries as if they were some how a unified force with coherent strategy. "What are they up too?" Feints, counter feints, counter counter feints. My impression of, or how I would describe the reality of it all is that its like a bunch of demented geese with ADD and a taste for cranberry interspersed with a few teams of Holstiens driven across the pasture by napolean complexed farmers with hearing problems and then the occasional small groups of autonomous killer drones flying in formation. And then there are the drunks.
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Sounds like the Rookies didn't have a very good tactical plan that included taking out the troops/supplies at nearby bases to prevent the Bishop recapture.
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The best thing that happened was the base going right back.
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And for a different perspective of things:
Bish and Nits have/had a fight or furrball going between A19(Bish) and A18/V22(Nits) for two days now. Not any really serious attempts to take the bases, just folks flying and driving around getting kills.
As to A51, several of us had been around and over the town, and no one saw the GV's, thus the surprise when the base capture came. I'm guessing from the OP's post that they used M3's?
Yeah, we saw the B17's go over (at the time I was at 9K and you were showing as 6K above that), I saw more cons coming in from the N, diverted that way, tangled with two Yaks (one -7 and one -3). With me in a 410, that lasted all of 30 seconds. I upped in an 88 position to drive off any potential vulchers, was firing away at them and POOF! "Base 51 has been captured by the Rooks". Along with several folks on range asking how they got in when we had people over the town.
All in all it was fun. Losing a base bothers me not at all. The fact that there were fights taking place is encouraging, almost reminds me of the old days in the arenas when some bases might get captured, but more often than not it was about just getting in there and mixing it up.
<S> to all those involved.
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I'm glad people have a good time in the game. The only thing that caught my eye was the term Bish Army. I often hear people discussing the other countries as if they were some how a unified force with coherent strategy. "What are they up too?" Feints, counter feints, counter counter feints. My impression of, or how I would describe the reality of it all is that its like a bunch of demented geese with ADD and a taste for cranberry interspersed with a few teams of Holstiens driven across the pasture by napolean complexed farmers with hearing problems and then the occasional small groups of autonomous killer drones flying in formation. And then there are the drunks.
I haven't looked at it in those terms, but thinking about it you're absolutely correct.
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I haven't looked at it in those terms, but thinking about it you're absolutely correct.
Well i see no argument in that....
Bish day shift is a different kind of machine. They run buffs constantly to strats and bases,they defend and resupply very well at bases they own, and work like a school of fish. Responsible for repeated complete disregard for all strategy simply dominating with overwhelming force. They showed all of this at 51 as i suspected they would. The object was to draw away the players from a base we were defending all the way on another front and it that worked. The fact that we took the base was nothing short of perfection the way it was done.
Its not everyday that each decision you make is the right one in the face of such diversity. If i were to tell you im going to take 4 guys to an enemy base and capture it against +12 fighters, 6 or more gv's defending and resupping, and city strat %100 would you have believed me?
By loosing the base afterwords Rook had no obligation to that base. I've seen bases like this kill any momentum and turn into a huge furball. Thus, Bish army had to reset their counter attack on the southen flank! Brilliant strategy and it worked!!!
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I get that a lot of people active in the forums do not care about strategy or anything like that. For those people who come into this thread i say your welcome to voice your 2 cents and i will leave it at that. I am sharing this story so that the sticks that do sometimes focus on strategy might read this and try the same thing or maybe doing something a little different that works for them in the same situation. Rather than defending a base sometimes its better to attack the enemy's flank. You kill 2 birds with one stone. A lot of times you wont take the base. We could have easily given up after the bish resupped the town the first time. Im thinking about playing the lottery after this one to be honest. Just shifting the focus of the enemy works well when the is no central command and the game just flows.
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and before a few guys who i could mention start flamig this thread saying im tooting my own horn....
thats not my intention.
I will give you some flame material though i gotta give you haterz some love.
This was base take # 27 in a row over a 3 day time period.
Thats 27 base takes without a single failure.
When you are this good by putting in so much time doing the same thing over and over again it sets you up for that type of success a small number of players including myself are having. :rock
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However I do see some problems if your offensive defence require a 27 mile M3 ride. A lot of bad things can happen in the hour it takes to get the M3 in position.
But its fun to sneak a base when it work.
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Keep having fun Wiz! Huzzah!! :aok
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However I do see some problems if your offensive defence require a 27 mile M3 ride. A lot of bad things can happen in the hour it takes to get the M3 in position.
But its fun to sneak a base when it work.
Aint that the truth Zimme. Im lucky to have someone willing to commit that kind of time when so many bad things can happen.
49Dundee is one of the best! He is my trusted go to guy everytime for troops. m3 is extremely hard to detect, does not give out an icon on the map, and can hide in barns. Goons are what people will expect in this situation which is why I gave dundee the call and he always answers!
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But what happen if someone, during the time the M3 needs to drive the 27 miles, pork the ords at your airfields? Before u have lifted with your bombers?
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But what happen if someone, during the time the M3 needs to drive the 27 miles, pork the ords at your airfields? Before u have lifted with your bombers?
excellent question! many variables can dictate the answer to your question but i will stick to the facts relevant to this situation. when an m3 has that much ground to cover and city strat is at 100% with nme resup ability its better not to take off from a forward operating base. This allows much needed time to climb. Lancs are very strong in the right hands but during Bish prime time altitude is the greatest defense for any buffs. So im already lookig to take off from a base 40-70 miles away from the target. I never send my m3 or goon without the perfect setup for success first.
This was a base no one suspected rooks take and so we never had that problem to begin with but it is extremely relevant. Thats why when i pork i do an entire fron includding the 2nd and 3rd base back from the front.
Love the question Zimmie :salute
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another quick point i forgot to mention. The whole thing with climbing is even if the m3 gets there 9/10 times i have to deack and wf in 1 set of lancs. If i loose 1 bird it wont work. So i have to invest time to increase my chances for sucess. I take that seriously because i dont want to waste my troop runners time either!
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Next question: What if some smart guy look at the roster, see your name and think "Aha, the guy with a fetish for luring his team mates into spending hours driving troops to a far away base." And then see a set of lancs bombing a town and figures out whats going on?
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And of course no decent man up lancs from a front line base, 2-3 sector is minimum if u want to get to a resonably safe altitude so du can do anything.
Thats why u always pork bases atleas a sector from the front.
WF +deacking several bases simultanesly is imo a better tactic, force the enemy to baby sit or resup them, taking resources from attacking and, with a little luck, can render in taking 3-4 bases in <30 mins.
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Next question: What if some smart guy look at the roster, see your name and think "Aha, the guy with a fetish for luring his team mates into spending hours driving troops to a far away base." And then see a set of lancs bombing a town and figures out whats going on?
I will do one better. Cybro has claimed 49th vox on rook nation and i assure you that someone smart has already multiple times done exactly what you have suggested.
The difference between me and anyone else is I dominate my airspace. During this base take I shot down TKO who had me dead to rights in his 152. I later scored 7 more victories over 2 flights and bombed a gv during my 2nd attempt 1st pass on town. I still Wf the town twice, dropped VH twice and deacked all but 2 slow guns at town with AAA @ 0%.
when i play i put in work so that others can benifit and boy do they have fun. Thats why my troop runners love it when i call them up!
Long story short some jokes make it and some jokes dont. This is especially true for dedicated Aces High players like yourself! How lany hours have we wasted to master certain aspects of this game? Best $15 bucks a month i will ever spend.
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:lol Hold your horses, I dont doubt that u are a good bomber pilot but "The difference between me and anyone else is I dominate my airspace" Is a bit exaggerating, there are definitly some guys that are atleast as good as u in a bomber.
Even I can WF, deack town, kill dar and VH in lancs plus dealing with a con or 2. Your k/d ratio in bombers are good but not that remarkable.
U can of course fly and do whatever u want, but claiming that you are some kind of überbomber far better that everyone else doesnt give u any points imo.
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:lol Hold your horses, I dont doubt that u are a good bomber pilot but "The difference between me and anyone else is I dominate my airspace" Is a bit exaggerating, there are definitly some guys that are atleast as good as u in a bomber.
Even I can WF, deack town, kill dar and VH in lancs plus dealing with a con or 2. Your k/d ratio in bombers are good but not that remarkable.
U can of course fly and do whatever u want, but claiming that you are some kind of überbomber far better that everyone else doesnt give u any points imo.
I wont go that far. What i will afmit to is I bomb and bail a lot. When I am tatical I have no need for landing if my mission fails. If i was out to protect that score i that ratio would be higher. When this game starts averaging a couple hundred more players than usual trust me I will protect that stat.
But since this game is all about investing your time and doing that properly, my time is best served doing what I do. Just wait until i have more than one pc. Then the whole multiple base thing becomes reality.
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I wont go that far. What i will afmit to is I bomb and bail a lot. When I am tatical I have no need for landing if my mission fails. If i was out to protect that score i that ratio would be higher. When this game starts averaging a couple hundred more players than usual trust me I will protect that stat.
But since this game is all about investing your time and doing that properly, my time is best served doing what I do. Just wait until i have more than one pc. Then the whole multiple base thing becomes reality.
or total strat destruction, or eliminating an entire countries ability to advance on a front, or what we did today plus completely shutting down the base along with wf deack :rofl
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Well.. Im still not impressed by the fact that u WF:ed a base. If someone should have cred its Dundee, he did the job and u taking the cred for it.
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In fact: What u describing is not very uncommon. U wf a town and sneak troops in to take it. Either if u do it by lancs and m3 or using a cruiser to WF a town and do a LVT rush or any other sneak variant its all depends on not having people defending or atleast not protecting the town.
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And btw, If have taken 27 bases in 3 days without breaking the stalemate on the map i recommend that you start to defend your bases because it seems like u loose quite a lot of them.
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From what I've seen, the only 49er that dominates his own airspace is 49Devil. The rest excel at dominating each other's 6's.
But in bombers? Nobody but 999000 dominates anything but a chute when they run into guys who know what they're doing.
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or total strat destruction, or eliminating an entire countries ability to advance on a front, or what we did today plus completely shutting down the base along with wf deack :rofl
you play this game in a way I am unfamiliar with..
Hope it is fun for ya! :cheers:
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I think we should all pitch in and order wizz one of them lights from lawndart that says "best bomber ever".
semp
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I think we should all pitch in and order wizz one of them lights from lawndart that says "best bomber ever".
semp
:D :rock
Hey I did something right. Just dropped the troops to win the war at 3am the next morning :D
You see Tonight was bad luck. m3 would disco even rolled his m3 once. 2 attempts and hit brick walls.
So I hit the city while dundee knocked down hq. After we blinded them we went back and took the base.
Steamed rolled to the end... Next Map!
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you play this game in a way I am unfamiliar with..
Hope it is fun for ya! :cheers:
:cheers: just wait ;) at unemployed times I became the player ive become and now that im making good money these days its only a matter of time. Just hope the new version isnt too much different. otherwise it will be back to school for awhile.
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:D :rock
Hey I did something right. Just dropped the troops to win the war at 3am the next morning :D
You see Tonight was bad luck. m3 would disco even rolled his m3 once. 2 attempts and hit brick walls.
So I hit the city while dundee knocked down hq. After we blinded them we went back and took the base.
Steamed rolled to the end... Next Map!
so, I got the win the war award like 2 weeks ago. and I am not as good as you.
semp
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so, I got the win the war award like 2 weeks ago. and I am not as good as you.
semp
some jokes make it and some jokes dont hey semp?
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In fact: What u describing is not very uncommon. U wf a town and sneak troops in to take it. Either if u do it by lancs and m3 or using a cruiser to WF a town and do a LVT rush or any other sneak variant its all depends on not having people defending or atleast not protecting the town.
Wf + deack all of town + vh and/or Dar + defending lancs all in under 10 minutes isnt impressive to you??? damn your a tough guy to impress.
Dundee always gets the highest credit for the base takes. I keep trying to explain to him how important his role is. He has only been ingame for 6 months so he is getting there. Im lucky to know himas a person and fly with him ingame!
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Wf + deack all of town + vh and/or Dar + defending lancs all in under 10 minutes isnt impressive to you???
Nope do it in a b25c
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Wizz, if you're actively trying to impress people, they're less likely to be impressed. This isn't just me, it's psychology.
Just gives off the sense of creepy guy trying desperately to impress the pretty girl, rather than quiet competence.
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Wizz, if you're actively trying to impress people, they're less likely to be impressed. This isn't just me, it's psychology.
Just gives off the sense of creepy guy trying desperately to impress the pretty girl, rather than quiet competence.
Well I back it up it up though....
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you guys are just now figuring out that M3 is the way to go :rofl my squad has been doing long rang M3 sneaks for years,dont pat yourselves on the back for dreaming this one up :neener:
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Its not everyday that each decision you make is the right one in the face of such diversity.
Well, the Bishcuits are a diverse crowd. No argument there. :)
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Wf + deack all of town + vh and/or Dar + defending lancs all in under 10 minutes isnt impressive to you??? damn your a tough guy to impress.
Dundee always gets the highest credit for the base takes. I keep trying to explain to him how important his role is. He has only been ingame for 6 months so he is getting there. Im lucky to know himas a person and fly with him ingame!
Use Ju-88:s and we can talk. It a lot harder but not impossible.
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I'm glad people have a good time in the game. The only thing that caught my eye was the term Bish Army. I often hear people discussing the other countries as if they were some how a unified force with coherent strategy. "What are they up too?" Feints, counter feints, counter counter feints. My impression of, or how I would describe the reality of it all is that its like a bunch of demented geese with ADD and a taste for cranberry interspersed with a few teams of Holstiens driven across the pasture by napolean complexed farmers with hearing problems and then the occasional small groups of autonomous killer drones flying in formation. And then there are the drunks.
This.
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You have to give the bish credit in that they seem to be able to get almost all of the country to up at fields and defend. It's easier taking rook bases. They act like much better coordinated knights.
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You have to give the bish credit in that they seem to be able to get almost all of the country to up at fields and defend. It's easier taking rook bases. They act like much better coordinated knights.
I, FineTime, here on this date 3rd day of June, 2015 do herby endorse this comment submitted by bustr on aces high forum.
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Use Ju-88:s and we can talk. It a lot harder but not impossible.
Or B24s. I am the highest ranked bomber pilot in my squad, but I can't hold a candle to zanduel when he decides to fly in bomber mode. Wf and deack a town in 24s and then you can talk.
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That is impressive too, havent tried in B-24 but it take some skills to do it. Lancs with 18x500 and a cookie is not that much of a challenge.
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That is impressive too, havent tried in B-24 but it take some skills to do it. Lancs with 18x500 and a cookie is not that much of a challenge.
undefended?
If I up in Lancs, wf/de-ack a town, and no one defends the best I am left wanting.
Reading the right bases to attack in order will lead to multiple base takes in a short amount of time. Zimme you should really try harder. Perhaps taking a 12 hour vacation to rook land will help you see more clearly.
It aint bragging if you can back it up.
Give me 6 capable sticks under my command and no one stops my advance in a LW arena scenario.
I challenge anyone. 6VS.6 during regular hours on LW over a 12 hour period. 6vs6 everyone else is open to contribute in whatever way you see fit with whatever team you feel like doing that for.
I call for a duel of Air Marshals and Generals. The golden age of AH2 has begun.
I believe that 6 people under my choosing can win a map within a 12 hour period in LW arena against an opposing 6 player team with the same objective.
Come on all you smart mouth quick to voice your bs forum trolls. Let's rally and make it happen and start testing are true abilities!
Recruit your best and ldave nothing on your the table.
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6 sticks= 6 Officers under my command. Able to recruit and command over a 12 hour period. Anyone and everyone able to participate. No one is obligated...
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Too bad u apparently cannot attract six good sticks then. Looking at the situation in the MA u dont have the impact that u think u have. And even if u did guys like flakhapy will compete with u about being the best base taking general.
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Sometimes it is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt.
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you mean when you log to channel 149, you cannot did 6 good players?
semp
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Too bad u apparently cannot attract six good sticks then. Looking at the situation in the MA u dont have the impact that u think u have. And even if u did guys like fla
khapy will compete with u about being the best base taking general.
what are you talking about i dont know 6 good stix?
I know about 30 and i know i could put a team together.
I flew with Flak and Reaper in their squad and i agree they would make a great opponent! I will try to put something together for maybe end of summer.
As far as impact is concerned when 2 guys take 100-200 bases in a month we can afford to give up a base here and there.
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you mean when you log to channel 149, you cannot did 6 good players?
semp
haha :rofl
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what are you talking about i dont know 6 good stix?
I know about 30 and i know i could put a team together.
I flew with Flak and Reaper in their squad and i agree they would make a great opponent! I will try to put something together for maybe end of summer.
As far as impact is concerned when 2 guys take 100-200 bases in a month we can afford to give up a base here and there.
if you know 30 then why are you asking for somebody to give you 6.
semp
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Because it makes for a better tale of success against the odds, proving the superiority of 49th leadership and tactics.
The way I see it, Wizz is basically their pocketspockets Goebbels, with less racism, and a hair less delusionalness.
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The point was the distraction. There were 6 people involved in this op 1 was the M3 so theres 5 a/c tieing up about 10-14 bish while the other 40+ rooks attacked up North. We wanted to keep the base contested to tie up bish players for the rest of the rooks. Not necessarily (spelling) to keep the base.
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If i want to tie up a bunch of players i up a bomber and fly around their strats, a lot of players, even 49ers, will chase an empty bomber over several sectors. Often there are no resistance until after bombs are dropped. I had one of your squaddies chasing me after i Wf and deacked a town, he followed me over 5 sectors while the base was taken.
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Wizz if you want to do something go capture an enemy base far far far behind lines and hold it all day I know as long as I've been playing this game only one squad did it and boy it was a lot of fun too fight there all day. The squad that took it was the last squad you would ever think of taking a base was Das Muppets that was a fun day :banana: :joystick: :old:
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Wizz if you want to do something go capture an enemy base far far far behind lines and hold it all day I know as long as I've been playing this game only one squad did it and boy it was a lot of fun too fight there all day. The squad that took it was the last squad you would ever think of taking a base was Das Muppets that was a fun day :banana: :joystick: :old:
Something similar happened last week or the week before.......some Bish, I forgot who came up with the idea, took the Nit VBase right close to their HQ.
The efforts to retake the base caused a lot of laughter by the Bish defenders. They sent a LOT of formations of B29's, Lancs, B17's and 24's, TU2's.........as one of the defenders put it, "Before we took this base it was level with the hills, now look at it"........the Vbase was surrounded on all sides by hills and mountains......lotsa chuckles when that comment came over the text buffer.
I don't know how long they held on to the base, I was there a few hours myself, went to bed, the map was reset the next morning.
I know it was fun and a relief from the monotony of "everybody up from AXX and join the mission". I didn't care if the base was taken from us, it was fun to be there and see how long before they overran us tho.
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Remember that one, logged on after bish got the base. The tactic of hiding Wirbs in the surrounding was very clever. Was very hard to find and kill them.
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Pretty epic when you go up 2vs 1 in lancs again 109g and 47m in lancs at 15k and sull wf/deack a town and capture it.
Also survived a good fight against Skyyr today who failed to prevent my wf/deack but took 2 birds in the process.
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Pretty epic when you go up 2vs 1 in lancs again 109g and 47m in lancs at 15k and sull wf/deack a town and capture it.
Also survived a good fight against Skyyr today who failed to prevent my wf/deack but took 2 birds in the process.
not that epic unless you post that lancs have 30k rounds of ammo.
semp
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not that epic unless you post that lancs have 30k rounds of ammo.
semp
Brother Semp,
it was nothing short of epic. 109g and 47m climbed and disrupted my runs. I quickly ran out of tail rounds and could only rely on evasive maneuvers to survive. Although lighting both cons up they both fell victim to my auto climb as they attacked from above ramming my buffs and ending up in the tower. Then to set back up and finish the town, then take it after having an m3 drive the 25 miles to get there is as good as it gets.
Its untouchable. Your trolling remarks always do add a little salt to my threads though :ahand
So much ends up on the line. The risk vs reward on these runs would cause most to laugh at the idea yet we continue to find success. With everything that can go wrong, when you have a run like this, when the base is defended I put it all on the line. Most of the time it works :cheers:
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You quickly ran out of ammo? There's 10,000 rounds of ammo in the tail. I call bs on your definition of quickly.
semp
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You quickly ran out of ammo? There's 10,000 rounds of ammo in the tail. I call bs on your definition of quickly.
semp
thats 303's your talking about I only use 50's.
Just not a huge fan of 303's the effective range is so low that i would sacrifice lazers at 300 just to smack someone in their face at 1000.
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No one takes 303:s in lancs.
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No one takes 303:s in lancs.
To my great appreciation, there are still guys who do this :devil