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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Arlo on June 06, 2015, 06:48:24 AM
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/SM_79_Sparviero_zpsagpvwqpc.png~original)
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General characteristics
Crew: 6 (pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer/gunner, radio operator, bombardier, rear gunner)
Length: 16.2 m (53 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 20.2 m (66 ft 3 in)
Height: 4.1 m (13 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 61.7 m2 (664 ft2)
Empty weight: 7,700 kg (16,975 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,050 kg (25,132 lb)
Powerplant: 3 × Alfa Romeo 128-RC18 radial engines, 642 kW (860 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (286 mph) at 3,790 m (12,450 ft)
Range: 2,600 km (1,615 mi)
Service ceiling: 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
Rate of climb: 5.3 m/s (1,050 ft/min)
Wing loading: 165 kg/m2 (33.8 lb/ft2)
Power/mass: 0.173 kW/kg (0.106 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns:
1 × 20 mm (0.79 in) forward MG 151 cannon
2 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) dorsal Breda-SAFAT machine gun 1 at the top, 1 in the belly (The belly gun was optional).
2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns in lateral "waist-gun" ports (optional)
Bombs: 1,200 kg (2,645 lb) internal bomb load or two external 450 millimetres (17.72 in) torpedoes
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THATS ACTUALLY A LOAD OF NON-SENSE PROPAGANDA,LOL........it certainly was not a great performer as a torpedo bomber,just look at the historical record. its fabric covered and does not take alot of punishment, its no TBM or il-2 in terms of how much damage it can absorb.........and as for speed,it may have set records in 1938-39, but it is slow for mid and late war. it does not have good defensive armament either....it can carry two torpedos...but we already have aircraft in game that can do the same. i would rather see the G-55 fiat added instead,and if we are looking for a better axis bomber,there are several germans rides that would be better for MA and scenarios. and with hitech resorces spread as thin as they are,with no update to the game since jan 2014,they are working on the big terrain update......and so a new aircraft dosent look too promising. but if we do get an aircraft,this should be way down on the list.
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Oh, alpini, the vitriol! Where does it come from? Hogwash? Propaganda? For 18 years the Italians duped themselves? Hey, it's iconic (not unlike the 111). You should know, by now, that I'm not looking to fill uber holes (for the most part, there aren't that many). If our tiny Italian air force could use its own bomber, why not the most historically recognized iconic one? Sorry the Italians never knew about the MA arena. So they built a fabric covered three-engined monstrosity with lousy defensive cover (actually, when it came out it was considered a terrific design) and used it past its 'shelf life' (with great success). Um, I'm not that much of a 'propagandist' ..... I'm more the amateur historian (relying on what is written about the planes in context of their use before, during and sometimes after WWII) .... but thank you for your calm, rational and level-headed input in my Sparviero wish thread. :aok
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U.S. War Department Report on SM.79 Torpedo Bomber (January 1943)
Intelligence report on the Italian Savoia-Marchetti (SM-79) torpedo bomber and its tactics, from the Intelligence Bulletin, January 1943.
[Editor's Note: The following article is wartime information on foreign tactics and equipment published for Allied soldiers. In most cases, more accurate data on foreign tactics and equipment is available in postwar publications.]
The land-based Savoia-Marchetti (SM-79) bomber is the most widely used of several types of aircraft employed by the Italian Air Force. This aircraft has long been the mainstay of the bomber squadrons, and has been adapted successfully for torpedo-carrying purposes.
The SM-79 is a large, low-wing, tri-motored monoplane of metal and plywood construction. The engines, approximately 1,000 horsepower each, give the aircraft, when used as a bomber, a speed of almost 300 miles per hour. When a torpedo is carried, the plane has a top speed of about 200 miles per hour. The SM-79 normally carries a crew of four—two pilots, a radio operator, and a bombardier.
(http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/it_bomber/italian_torpedo_bomber_sm79_savoia_marchetti.jpg)
Savoia-Marchetti (SM-79) Torpedo Bomber; Two Views and Recognition Silhouettes
The depth settings of the torpedoes carried vary according to the size of the target. When employed against convoys, the aircraft carry torpedoes with several settings, the planes with deeper settings always attacking the larger vessels. These settings are adjusted by special torpedo mechanics and cannot be altered in flight.
An attack by torpedo bombers is usually made at dawn or dusk. Dusk is considered preferable since the aircraft may make a low, unobserved approach toward the target, which is silhouetted against the horizon. The attacks are always made from the east since this is the direction of poorest visibility. Daylight attacks are suicidal and are very seldom attempted.
Early in the war Italian aircraft torpedo attacks were usually made by individual aircraft and were not pressed home. Recently, however, these attacks have been better coordinated and many of them have been made at comparatively close range.
Torpedo squadrons are believed to have the highest morale of all units of the Italian Air Force. Their efficiency is such that Germany has sent squadrons to Italy for instructions in torpedo tactics. Italian aircraft torpedoes are believed to be superior to those of German design and are probably used by the German Air Force.
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/it_bomber/index.html
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Ya know, if you also skin it as a German bomber, you could turn it into a Ju-52 as well...hmmmm...
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+1. New toys and new stuff to shoot at is always awesome!
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How about adding a Ju-52, as well? Project tri motor. ;)
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How about adding a Ju-52, as well? Project tri motor. ;)
Did you just hijack your own thread? ;)
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Do they come with dipping sauce?
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Oh yes. +1
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Did you just hijack your own thread? ;)
No. Wait. Did I?
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No. Wait. Did I?
:rofl You did! Awesome. That should be an achievement right there. :aok
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you are right arlo...when introduced it was a good plane....but it was introduced in 1936. up til 1940 what was attacking it? mostly bi-planes...oh and i-16's in spain. ww2 records show:
In 1940, two squadrons made 39 sorties and 17 attacks, with 27,578 tonnes (30,400 tons) of shipping damaged.
In 1941, 14 squadrons made 225 sorties and 87 attacks, sinking nine ships (42,373 tonnes/47,700 tons), with another 12 damaged (75,841 tonnes/83,600 tons).
In 1942, 24 squadrons, comprising 307 aircraft made 60 attacks, sinking 10 ships (27,624 tonnes/30,450 tons) and damaging three 29,157 tonnes (32,140 tons).
In 1943, 18 squadrons made 221 war sorties, sinking three ships (12,519 tonnes/13,800 tons) and damaging another four (32,024 tonnes/35,300 tons).[28]
really NOT impressive. and your right the italians of ww2 did not hear of our MA....and so what. the plane would be used in scenario's and the MA for our purposes.
ok lets talk scenario's.........malta.............. .....and maybe africa 1941. MA ,after a month it would be a hangar queen......all that effort to create it for??? there are alot of other aircraft that could be added first.
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No. Wait. Did I?
Still better result than from Flampini
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Beaufighter first Arlo :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/z4kVYai.png)
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Arlo,
Go out to Turbosquid and look around in the prop plane area to see a common issue across the professional 3D models, detailed cockpits. Then see if you can find as many interior photos for this aircraft as you can. After looking around at turbosquid, I'm not sure why we don't have the Whirlwind, at least one of the 3D models comes with a detailed cockpit. If I remember correctly it's another 3D offering of the Whirlwind without a detailed cockpit that has a detailed exterior. So it can get expensive in that case to have the best of both conditions. For all I know you might be duplicating an effort already performed by HTC for this aircraft. Turbosquid also has a CAC Boomerang 3D model, I tried to provide a large amount of interior photos for that to Waffle along with the unique gunsight made in Australia. I was on photobucket back then so, they may be empty inserts in that old post by now.
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Arlo,
Just for you.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/savoia-marchetti-sm-79-sparviero
$69.00, but it's not rigged, so that can mean no detailed cockpit and interior. I've found 3d models for just about everything wished for, it simply costs money and Waffles time integrating, along with the research and building of anything missing. Then Hitech still has to find all of the flight performance information and test it. There are clearing houses for professional 3d aircraft if you just start searching.
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69! Cool. :)