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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Slade on June 25, 2015, 07:55:24 AM
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Within a 15 minute period today I had multiple bombers bail on me before I could get to them. Not such a bad thing unless you take the time to climb up to them at 30k. They bailed before I could get in range for even a proxy. This is a recurring event of course.
Is there a stat that shows which bomber pilots bail the most?
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I would say no, u cannot draw any conclusions from the stats about that.
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I would say no, u cannot draw any conclusions from the stats about that.
Respectfully, I did not ask that.
I asked, "Is there a stat that shows which bomber pilots bail the most?"
Thanks :salute
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And I gave u an answer to your question.
U can of course check out individual pilots stats but even that would not say much since u dont see why they bail.
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Within a 15 minute period today I had multiple bombers bail on me before I could get to them. Not such a bad thing unless you take the time to climb up to them at 30k. They bailed before I could get in range for even a proxy. This is a recurring event of course.
Is there a stat that shows which bomber pilots bail the most?
ive said this before ill say it again...
My time is too valuable to fly back after hitting a strat if no one ups to defend it.
To bail when someone takes the time to challenge you is the ultimate disgrace.
Then again when I up buffs for a target in this game I want to be challenged so if no challenge is met then im bailing after my drop. I will use the time it took to fly back to hit something else. If anyone disagrees then up 2 fighters and try to stop me. If i get at least 2 kills i am forced to fly back and land.
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Primary goal is to fly back and land the bombers but on the big map its very hard to do it, some strats is out of range so the run is a one way mission. If there are any uppers i try to fight them if there are only crickets i ditch or bail. (or flying around trying to get anyone to up and eventually kill me.
When in B-17:s and similar planes there are no reason to bail if meeting resistance. Even an average gunner have a good chance to save atleast 1-2 if his planes.
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When I think I don't have the time to fly to a specific target and back, then I chose another one. My time windows being quite short for the most part these days, so I do much more tactical or short range strat runs.
Primary goal is to fly back and land the bombers but on the big map its very hard to do it, some strats is out of range so the run is a one way mission.
I don't think I have seen any strat target so far that I could not reach and go home. Back in the day when the central strats were still retreating and I had more time, I did quite a few very long range runs. B-29 under cruise speed can fly amazing distances, but Lancs or B-17s can get a great mileag, too.
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Is there a stat that shows which bomber pilots bail the most?
The Wall of Shame would be formidable, indeed.
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When I think I don't have the time to fly to a specific target and back, then I chose another one. My time windows being quite short for the most part these days, so I do much more tactical or short range strat runs.
I don't think I have seen any strat target so far that I could not reach and go home. Back in the day when the central strats were still retreating and I had more time, I did quite a few very long range runs. B-29 under cruise speed can fly amazing distances, but Lancs or B-17s can get a great mileag, too.
B-29:s can reach all strats and prob lancs too, problem is that its very hard to survive flying up to 10 sectors over enemy territory before reaching the target. On compello I have tried to fly 4.5 hours for a single strat run and often u dont have the time so the result is a one way trip. While possible to make it both ways it can require 1-2 hours over enemy territory and very few players will take the time to do it.
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Never once have I seen bomb and bail first hand.
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Bomb and bail has happened to me many times. Some players bail just to grieve the pursuers. This can be frustrating especially after chasing them several sectors. These players will bail whether or not they've dropped their bombs.
One player even said "no perks for you son" when I called him out (more than once) after viewing the film (his initials are IV).
Now I just accept it as part of the lame game and am a bit more reluctant to chase them.
I do, however, salute all you players who fight in your bombers and thank you for making this game more fun. :salute
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On compello I have tried to fly 4.5 hours for a single strat run and often u dont have the time so the result is a one way trip.
Then pick a closer target, Don't bomb and bail.
You should lose perks for bombing and bailing. You get no perks from what you hit and lose ten perks. Then ten perks goes to twenty the next time you do it, Do it again and it will cost you 30 perks.
If people start doing NOE just so ack kills them, Make it so they lose perks.
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I rarely bother to rtb in a fighter. It's got to be doubly boring for bomber players.
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Then pick a closer target, Don't bomb and bail.
You should lose perks for bombing and bailing. You get no perks from what you hit and lose ten perks. Then ten perks goes to twenty the next time you do it, Do it again and it will cost you 30 perks.
If people start doing NOE just so ack kills them, Make it so they lose perks.
I dont do strat runs thst way, i hit the factories that is vital, AAA and ammo primary. Hitting refinerey instead just because its closer is pointless.
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Bailing to avoid a fight is lame no matter what you are in.
GVs do it too. One is flashing a field, I find them, they bail once I start my Stuka run. This gives a proxy, but I wouldn't have bothered of I knew they would do that. Same with chasing bombers.
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Over in the 49th, some of us like to fly over enemy territory, spank the target, and fly home, just so we can thumb our noses at the enemy the whole way back saying "nanny nanny boo boo you didn't kill me!" :D
It's also good FSO practice.
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Having a fight and get shot down after bombing is preferable to just bail but its not all the time there are any uppers over target.
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Since HTC says "its not against the rules", i propose we create a forum thread dedicated to these B(omb) n' B(ail) D(umb) n' D(umber) "pilots".
It's also good to know that some of them are in Top50 of people wishing "game had more subscribers"... = hypocrits. :O
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Since HTC says "its not against the rules", i propose we create a forum thread dedicated to these B(omb) n' B(ail) D(umb) n' D(umber) "pilots".
I think you will find HTC saying that this will be against the rules ;)
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Just post the film of the 'bomb and bail'er in the films and screenshots forum and call the post something like 'Bomber Time Management'
Limit comments so nothing can be classified as inflammatory, and you should be good to go.
A film is a film.
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Just post the film of the 'bomb and bail'er in the films and screenshots forum and call the post something like 'Bomber Time Management'
Limit comments so nothing can be classified as inflammatory, and you should be good to go.
A film is a film.
If everything goes precisely and spectacularly right with this plan, what will the result be?
Wiley.
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If everything goes precisely and spectacularly right with this plan, what will the result be?
Wiley.
Well, one might find out how often this occurs. I haven't seen it very often, but, then, my flying time has been way down over the last few years, so there may be more instances, now. I think it would be interesting to see if it is 50 or a hundred guys doing it, or just 3 or 4 doing it 25 times. Which kinda goes back to what the OP is looking for.
The ones that bail just to deny a chaser the opportunity to kill them is despicable.. IMHO. And if taunting ensues to that effect, that's even worse. Illegal? no.. Shameful and Shame-able, ..yes.
There will certainly be instances where it is justifiable.. A sudden burst of wife-ack, visiting neighbors, emergency family time with little ones.. etc. And I don't think anybody would fault the alleged BnB'er for that.
If, however, we see the same person a dozen times in a month with the same excuse.. one might get suspicious.
I would hope that those who chose to post such films use a little prudence as to the likelihood the bomber driver knew they were being pursued ( The only enemy being on the ground and reporting a guy who bailed from 20k over their head wouldn't be considered a BnB. )
Now.. if there's no enemy around you and you bail, you wont be getting filmed, anyway.
I know that HTC was looking at even, possibly, reversing damage done by bombers if they bailed within x mins after their drop. I don't think they accounted for being killed by an enemy within that timeframe, tho. And this was a few years ago, so it must have gotten some attention. Maybe it wasn't really that big of an issue back then, after they observed the actual frequency. It may still not be that big of an issue. That could be supported/denied by such films.
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I like the idea of if you bail after so many minutes of bombing without suffering any damage from enemy aircraft, it is announced on global channel that "playername" has cowardly bailed after a bombing run. Then it will be known who bombs and bails and player can be poked fun at
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I checked my stats. Unfortunately I am not in the running... :uhoh
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My time is too valuable to fly back after hitting a strat...
My time to climb to 30k is just as valuable.
OK so we both have points of view that are valid to each of us. :salute
It just "seems" that when I have witnessed it - it is to avoid a fight. They bail just before I get in proxy range after tracking them. My observation could be wrong. Could be just recurring coincidences.
Curious that the ones I have encountered tend to not bail right after drop - but rather wait 5-10+ minutes later in route back to base??? :headscratch:
EDIT: I propose then that fighters get The Enigma. For those bomber pilots that bail say 15% of the time or more (reset each tour) we get to see them visible even if strats down. Immediately after they up. We get to see what bombers they are in too.
Enigma Used in WWII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine)
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Is there a stat that shows which bomber pilots bail the most?
There are stats on sorties in the "Scores and Stats" on the AH web page.
It is broken down by the scoring categories, so bomber bails can also be hidden in "Attack" sorties.
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As we Menacing Ferrets like to say: a little role-playing goes a long way. I especially hate the bomb-and-bail numbnuttery. What's the hurry? Landing a buff after a harrying attack is a real rush, not to mention chalking up an air-to-air kill in a bomber. Some folks should maybe stick with Diablo, and leave the combat sims to those of us mature enough to appreciate why they're so great.
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ive said this before ill say it again...
My time is too valuable to fly back after hitting a strat if no one ups to defend it.
It all depends on how you view this game. If you bomb and bail, then this is nothing more than an arcade game.
If this is a flight simulator, you fly all the way back. The flight isn't over until you land your plane, or get shot down trying.
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We can all agree the lowest of low in this game is a set of buffs who bail because someone took the time to challenge them. I like the idea of the system calling out bomb and bail buffs but that mght be tricky to code i dunno. Will we ever see it i doubt it.
I like Drones idea as well but thats time that could be spent playing and it wont stop that player from doing it again :/
I swear I want to be stopped everytime i up buffs but if no one challenges me then ill just bail and reup... unless im in 29's of course
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We can all agree the lowest of low in this game is a set of buffs who bail because someone took the time to challenge them. I like the idea of the system calling out bomb and bail buffs but that mght be tricky to code i dunno. Will we ever see it i doubt it.
I like Drones idea as well but thats time that could be spent playing and it wont stop that player from doing it again :/
I swear I want to be stopped everytime i up buffs but if no one challenges me then ill just bail and reup... unless im in 29's of course
I auto record every sortie, Found some bomb and bail bombers and didn't even have an icon but the film showed who it was and I called him out on it.