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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on July 22, 2015, 10:19:10 AM
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Much to my chagrin I've found out today that I am woefully ignorant about the history of the German flag. Google isn't much help and the information is conflicting at best.
If someone who is more knowledgeable about the subject would be so kind as to point me to actual history of the official flags over Germany prior to, during, and after WWII I'd be grateful.
No this isn't for a project I just realized that despite all the books, articles, etc, that I read when I played AH that was never a subject that came up and I hate being ignorant.
Widewing, Ack Ack, Stampf?
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Well,
It starts in the cotton field. Cotton is picked, typically ran through an automatic cotton gin, then treated with different color of dyes.
Then it is woven into a flag.
Your welcome.
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I think what he is asking is the history or reason for the colors more than the actual fabrication of the flag if anybody knows that'd be great!
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Well,
It starts in the cotton field. Cotton is picked, typically ran through an automatic cotton gin, then treated with different color of dyes.
Then it is woven into a flag.
Your welcome.
hahaha.. you never change brother. Please don't. You're good right where you're at and always good for a laugh. I deserved that :)
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I know it is only wikipedia, but it can be a good place to start.
Visual history/timeline dating back to 1400 can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_national_flags#Europe
scroll down to Germany then scroll right to view the rest of the timeline.
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It looks like the German Wikipedia article has a much more thorough approach than many other languages. Also lots of links and sources. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagge_Deutschlands (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagge_Deutschlands)
The English version has quite a good article, too, explaining the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany)
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here:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/europe/germany/flag/
OR start here:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/geography/flags/colors.shtml
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hahaha.. you never change brother. Please don't. You're good right where you're at and always good for a laugh. I deserved that :)
:evil:
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Thanks for all the input gents but I'm still a bit confused.
Was the flag with the swastika adopted as the national flag during WWII or was it something different? I'm sorry for my ignorance but it's still a little unclear to me.
Sorry gents I'm a bit brain fried for deep research at the moment. Long and technically demanding day.
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With the establishment of the Third Reich in Germany on 30 January 1933, the black-red-gold flag was swiftly scrapped; a ruling on 12 March established two legal national flags: the reintroduced black-white-red imperial tricolour and the flag of the Nazi Party.[30][31]
On 15 September 1935, one year after the death of Reich President Paul von Hindenburg and Hitler's elevation to the position of Führer, the dual flag arrangement was ended, with the exclusive use of the Nazi flag as the national flag of Germany. One reason may have been the "Bremen incident" of 26 July 1935, in which a group of demonstrators in New York City boarded the SS Bremen, tore the Nazi Party flag from the jackstaff, and tossed it into the Hudson River. When the German ambassador protested, US officials responded that the German national flag had not been harmed, only a political party symbol.[32] The new flag law[33] was announced at the annual party rally in Nuremberg,[34] where Hermann Göring claimed the old black-white-red flag, while honoured, was the symbol of a bygone era and under threat of being used by "reactionaries".
From the Wikipedia page
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*facedesk*
Bug how did I forget you. Sorry sir. We've never been 'buds' but I respect your knowledge of history and your pixel pilot skills more than you know.
There is still conflicting information out there that says that the swastika was never officially adopted as the national flag of Germany. Quite frankly I do not really trust Wiki unless there are sources to back it up.
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Well,
It starts in the cotton field. Cotton is picked, typically ran through an automatic cotton gin, then treated with different color of dyes.
Then it is woven into a flag.
Your welcome.
This is a serious question which a fellow AH member has asked, please try and take a more mature approach to your relies. :old:
On a serious note are there legal requirments for flags to be made from man made products and were any Animals injured whilst said cotton was manufactured?
We do not produce cotton in the UK only wool from our large sheep reserves, flags produced with wool are very problematic.
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There is still conflicting information out there that says that the swastika was never officially adopted as the national flag of Germany.
How so? There was a law passed making it so.
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How so? There was a law passed making it so.
Like this: http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19350004&zoom=2&seite=00001145&x=10&y=7 (http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19350004&zoom=2&seite=00001145&x=10&y=7), roughly translated from Artikel 2, September 15th 1935:
"The Swastika flag is the National and Reich's flag. And the merchant flag."
http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19330004&zoom=2&seite=00000244&x=11&y=3 (http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19330004&zoom=2&seite=00000244&x=11&y=3) rules about using the swastika flag with the black-white-red tricolor after May 1st.
http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19330004&zoom=2&seite=00000103&x=18&y=10 (http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19330004&zoom=2&seite=00000103&x=18&y=10) rules about using the swastika flag together with the tricolor "to embody the power of the country and the affinity of the districts populating German people." Sorry, the translation may be somewhat off the track, too many possible meanings for several words.
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This is a serious question which a fellow AH member has asked, please try and take a more mature approach to your relies. :old:
On a serious note are there legal requirments for flags to be made from man made products and were any Animals injured whilst said cotton was manufactured?
We do not produce cotton in the UK only wool from our large sheep reserves, flags produced with wool are very problematic.
So basically what ur trying to say is something about pies...
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:)
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How so? There was a law passed making it so.
There are some places, none of who are mentioned here, that stated that the swastika was never officially recognized by Germany. But, frankly, I trust the people like yourself that know history over some bs website every day. Thanks for the help sir. Hope all is well with you.
And thanks everybody else for both the serious and humorous responses.
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There are some places, none of who are mentioned here, that stated that the swastika was never officially recognized by Germany
There's people who seriously claim that the holocaust never happened and they even provide reasonable arguments to support their point of view. Just google for holocaust didn't happen (https://www.google.com/search?q=+holocaust+didn%27t+happen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). It's equally easy to build an impressive website about crap (medical, environmental, agricultural...) as containing crap.
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There's people who seriously claim that the holocaust never happened and they even provide reasonable arguments to support their point of view. Just google for holocaust didn't happen (https://www.google.com/search?q=+holocaust+didn%27t+happen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). It's equally easy to build an impressive website about crap (medical, environmental, agricultural...) as containing crap.
Indeed. I was actually surprised that I didn't know about this particular subject especially since I've been exposed to a ton of people who have and retain intricate knowledge about all aspects of the time period of WWII. But, as I said, I'll trust the history buffs on here a lot more than I trust some random internet page including Wiki.