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Title: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 23, 2015, 07:05:39 AM
Last night I was enjoying some rare air time.  I found a C-Hog lower than me, and I got a few good pings.  Someone else finished him off, then the rants started.  "Nice warp" he said on 200.  Concerned, I was actually warping, I asked "who".  He said "the 51, I heard hits for 10 seconds after I was in the tower".  Glad it wasn't me, I said "that's lag, not warp".  He then commenced to tell me what a "tard" I was for using my alt advantage, followed by a bunch of chest thumping and threats.  I am sorry I hurt his 6.8 K/D, but hey, war happens. 

This leads me to my wish.  I wish we had kinder and gentler players.  Lots of folks complain about people leaving the game for various reasons, but I think more would stay around if people were nice.  I got into this game because I thought it would be fun.  It is fun, but with so many people copping an attitude, I see why people are leaving, especially new folks.  When people start calling out folks, telling them to "f off" on 200, new people see this, and may wonder if this is the game for them.  Sure, detuning 200 would help me, but it's the new person I am thinking about.  They see this hatred, and they don't want to play in this sandbox.

While I too am sometimes guilty of saying things I shouldn't say, it's often in response to a few of these online hero's going off the rails.  I am going to commit to cleaning up my act, will you (the collective you that is)?

I try to approach this game like I would a pick-up game of football with friends.  Choose sides, some banter, but after the game we drink beer and complement people on their performance (nice catch dude, not "picktard!!!"). Because in the end, it's no one else's fault you are in the tower, but your own.

 :salute
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Busher on July 23, 2015, 09:14:50 AM
 :rock :salute
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Aspen on July 23, 2015, 10:44:37 AM
Keep in mind some folks don't have a lot of success in real life.  When they log on they can find some and are also free to vent when things go bad for them. 

They are the ones that go to a weekend coed softball game and get in a shouting match with the ump, gloat when they crush one that was pitched by 65 year old Margie who runs the flower shop and do a burn out in their hand-me-down Delta 88 when they leave.

If they see your request it prompts them to do the opposite of what you want.  It shows that they had control of, or an effect on something and that is a rare thing for them.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: MrKrabs on July 23, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
I feel a group hug coming on.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Tilt on July 23, 2015, 11:07:45 AM
Nice soldiers?
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Ratsy on July 23, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
How many examples are there for learning civics in my life?  Classrooms (Nebraska and DOD schools), sports, church, the US Air Force are all examples of places for indoctrination to the golden rule.

I don't think that civics is taught in public schools any more.  It's primary tenants are that personal freedom only extends as far as the guy standing next to you, majority rules, and that freedom of speech is not a green light to be offensive.  All are concepts that are out of fashion these days.  America's loss.

In sports, breaking team rules got you kicked out.  No do-overs or probation like now.

I believe God measures believers on what they do when they think nobody is looking.  Church offers basic training for that.

In the Air Force the petty punishments given out for being offensive add up to self-misery.  It's easier to be pleasant.

I understand that these opportunities are not available to everybody nowadays.

Like it or not, the people that come into Aces High are being held to a standard set and (usually) enforced by the hosts.  But in no way should we expect an online game to be the enforcer of civic turpitude.  It's just a game, right?

Channel 200 is a mistake, I think.  I'd rather that those folks that like talking trash do it in front of all of us.  When they do, well, they can face the music based on the standards set for the rest of us.  But that is up to the owner of the business.  It has driven and will continue to drive new people out of the game, in my opinion.  While trash-talk might merely offend some of us, it actually hits the business bottom line.  It is what it is.

Krabby!  Stay over there with your hugs!   :cheers:

Random thoughts.
 :salute
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: waystin2 on July 23, 2015, 11:25:46 AM
The Nicest Guy In Aces High approves of this post.  :aok
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Chalenge on July 23, 2015, 11:26:36 AM
Might as well wish for guns that shoot daisies and daffodils, or bombs that plant shrubbery, because it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Karnak on July 23, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
Keep in mind some folks don't have a lot of success in real life. 
That is not an excuse.  I don't have a lot of success.  I am still nice to my fellow players, you know, other than shooting at them.

Online all we have is our name.  If we whine and complain and make excuses about why the other guy didn't really win, we tarnish the only thing we have.

If I am in a bad mood and I feel that I lost unfairly, well, I just don't say anything.  It isn't hard to do and my ego can take being beaten without having to make up reasons why I wasn't really beaten.

An aside on that, how can I learn and get better if I only make excuses in my mind as to why I didn't legitimately get beaten?


How many examples are there for learning civics in my life?  Classrooms (Nebraska and DOD schools), sports, church, the US Air Force are all examples of places for indoctrination to the golden rule.
I am an atheist who was never in the military.  Doesn't take any particular background to know how to treat other people, and people of all backgrounds fail at treating others respectfully.  There are no excuses.  No lack of success or particular upbringing excuses being a you know what.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 23, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
Might as well wish for guns that shoot daisies and daffodils, or bombs that plant shrubbery, because it's not going to happen.
Not all wishes are granted, but with any luck, this post may get someone to reconsider how big a sphincter they are, and realize this game is about fun.  If you're not having fun, push away from the joystick. 

Oh, and big hugs to Krabby....
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: ink on July 23, 2015, 01:59:31 PM
That is not an excuse.  I don't have a lot of success.  I am still nice to my fellow players, you know, other than shooting at them.

Online all we have is our name.  If we whine and complain and make excuses about why the other guy didn't really win, we tarnish the only thing we have.

If I am in a bad mood and I feel that I lost unfairly, well, I just don't say anything.  It isn't hard to do and my ego can take being beaten without having to make up reasons why I wasn't really beaten.

An aside on that, how can I learn and get better if I only make excuses in my mind as to why I didn't legitimately get beaten?

I am an atheist who was never in the military.  Doesn't take any particular background to know how to treat other people, and people of all backgrounds fail at treating others respectfully.  There are no excuses.  No lack of success or particular upbringing excuses being a you know what.


QFT

except the Atheist part.... :aok


very well said!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Ratsy on July 23, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
I am an atheist who was never in the military.  Doesn't take any particular background to know how to treat other people, and people of all backgrounds fail at treating others respectfully.  There are no excuses.  No lack of success or particular upbringing excuses being a you know what.

I quite agree.  My examples were mine.

Giving respect in order to get it is a learned behavior, I think.  Another one that I might have used has to do with being a born-again Texan.  "Walking a straight line" is still a point of pride for a lot of people I know here.  That is something you know about based on your post.  It doesn't matter where a person learns civics.  I just think it's a learned behavior if you are willing to learn it.  Part of my point is that I couldn't escape learning civics because virtually every aspect of my early life demanded it and there are (should be) consequences if you don't walk a straight line (honesty, respect, courtesy, etc.).

 :salute
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: BuckShot on July 23, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
I didn't know about 200 for about a year after I started. I tuned to it for ONE night... I've never had it on since. There is no reason for a beginner to be on 200.

I found out about it because someone said "Jeez Buck, what did you do? they're calling you a hacker on 200."

I can barely get my pc to work right so it was quite funny to me to be called a hacker.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 23, 2015, 07:23:29 PM
I didn't know about 200 for about a year after I started. I tuned to it for ONE night... I've never had it on since. There is no reason for a beginner to be on 200.

I found out about it because someone said "Jeez Buck, what did you do? they're calling you a hacker on 200."

I can barely get my pc to work right so it was quite funny to me to be called a hacker.
When the banter is good natured, 200 is fun. But there is always "that guy" #killclubdork
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: bustr on July 23, 2015, 11:59:40 PM
During the last year in the closed alpha, we made ch200 the tune to VOX so everyone could talk cross country and compare bugs and other things. Wonder what would happen if the only cross country channel was a VOX only.....:D We are still doing it out of habit in the open alpha and testing the arenas stays fun.

We found having someone to talk to helped compare issues or helped answer questions and give advice on what alpha testing was about. Not everyone entering the alpha arena for the first time understood to just go out and try everything and look at everything they could find to stick their nose into. I hope now with the open alpha people don't forget to document the things they complained about on 200 VOX after they logoff. The place is too easy to get into MA mode and forget what you are there for.... :rofl
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: SlipKnt on July 24, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
I've been yelled at a bunch of times killing someone with an insane good K/D.  I get lucky every now and then.  Usually the rants are PMed to me.  I detune 200 anyways unless I want to pay someone a compliment over a fight.

I have heard people say this before and I will repeat it again, for those that care about score, then get angry to find themselves in the tower...   ...stop worrying about your score and concentrate on having a great time. 

And what I don't understand is how does one get a 15 or 20 to 1 KD anyways?  I suck too much to get even close.  I am happy with anything above break even...

 :rock 
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Lusche on July 24, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
And what I don't understand is how does one get a 15 or 20 to 1 KD anyways?

Either by supreme fighting skills, or careful selection of fights and equipment. Or by going after the more easy targets, like bombers (like your's truly). Or a combination of all that.
Oh, and luck plays a big role, too.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 24, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
And what I don't understand is how does one get a 15 or 20 to 1 KD anyways?  I suck too much to get even close.  I am happy with anything above break even...
Fly a fast cannon bird, BNZ, have really good SA so you know when to leave.  Most importantly, fly with that goal in mind.  I think I could actually get to 7-8 maybe, but I would have to be more timid, and that's not my style. 
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Halo46 on July 24, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
Might as well wish for guns that shoot daisies and daffodils, or bombs that plant shrubbery, because it's not going to happen.

Well, it is a wish. I don't see how it is a bad thing to bring up or wish for, thus it does not require anyone putting it down for any reason. This is the best wish I have seen on the boards in a lot of years since this is pretty much what drove me away from enjoying a lot about the game. I hope his wish comes true, even if it is just one player biting his tongue one time, and if you want guns that shoot daisies and daffodils, or bombs that plant shrubbery, then I hope you get your wishes too. Oh look! Guns can shoot daisies and daffodils, they just fall apart though...    :bolt:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: pipz on July 25, 2015, 02:30:18 PM
Huzzah!!!! I am in!  :aok
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: MrKrabs on July 25, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
I'm still waiting for a group hug....
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: pipz on July 25, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
Come here you snappy little bugger you.........
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
I wish we could expose the names of the d.ouchebags who constantly insult others on 200 after being shot down due to their stupid fying... :rock
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 25, 2015, 04:05:53 PM
I wish we could expose the names of the d.ouchebags who constantly insult others on 200 after being shot down due to their stupid fying... :rock
sadly, it wouldn't make a difference, but we all know already. Using .report judiciously when it's warranted is all we can do. 
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: caldera on July 25, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
It hasn't been often but I confess to sending an occasional whine pm.  I hereby renounce these actions and apologize to all.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: bustr on July 25, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
This must be the beginning of a new squad.

"Fuzzy Snuggle Bunnys"
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Max on July 25, 2015, 07:10:40 PM
I wish we could expose the names of the d.ouchebags who constantly insult others on 200 after being shot down due to their stupid fying... :rock

No need...they're known to most.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Ratsy on July 25, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
I'm still waiting for a group hug....

Well.  Okay.  Come here, you big lug.

 :uhoh
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: waystin2 on July 26, 2015, 08:30:28 AM
Does a trash-talking moron make a sound if no one is on channel 200?
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: mbailey on July 26, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Post is a success if one person reading it takes 10 seconds to think before they start ranting. It's really not hard, just treat the other people how u want to be treated. All if not most ppl here are here for the same reason, the fact that we love this era in history.....and in some small way we honor them every time we up a plane, research a skin, post a link about a fallen vet, a plane restored or a story from the past. It's about what they did, not what we do in game.  We mourn for lost players, and celebrate with our friends/foes at the birth of a child or a success in real life. Folks just need to remember that part of the game/community,and not the win/lose part. That part of the game is inconsequential.  Just my approach to the game, players and my 0.02cents
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: pipz on July 26, 2015, 10:05:26 AM

Well said! Top draw old bean!  :aok
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Guppy35 on July 26, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
It's just not that hard to think before you type.  A person doesn't slip with what they type.  You don't type in a fit of rage.  You have to think about it first.

AH is an escape from the real world BS for most.  Since no one really dies, and the game never runs out of planes, might as well enjoy it and share that with the folks you play with and against.

The saddest thing in game to me are the folks you think what they do in AH makes them somebody.  If you have to find your significance in AH, your world has to be a really sorry place.

Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Lusche on July 26, 2015, 06:20:07 PM
The saddest thing in game to me are the folks you think what they do in AH makes them somebody.  If you have to find your significance in AH, your world has to be a really sorry place.

And you can bet: For many of us, it is.
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Meatwad on July 26, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
I'm still waiting for a group hug....

No way, your pinchers might take everyones noodles off  :bolt: :D
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: JVboob on July 28, 2015, 01:23:09 AM
And you can bet: For many of us, it is.


isnt it for everyone? isnt that why one plays a game??? to get away from the chittiness and have something to enjoy  :cheers: I wubbs yew all lolz

Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 28, 2015, 12:04:29 PM
Does a trash-talking moron make a sound if no one is on channel 200?
Easy answer is nope, but there are still whine PM(S's)...

It's just a wish, and there are a few who make a living (so to speak) exposing their backsides as if anyone really cares. 
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: USCH on July 30, 2015, 06:06:20 PM
If he is still hearing pings when in the tower, its because the guy got the piss hammered out of him. Seems someone not only needs to learn how to be nice, but needs to use his/her brain just a tad bit longer...
I don't tune to 200 for the sole reason I cant keep up with that high of an amount of stupid in the world, and if they Pm me, I indulge them with such an onslaught of information that they soon realize that they have no way of winning a battle of chat as well.
Don't let it bother you, stay true to being a nice guy and let the fools be fools..
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Mano on July 30, 2015, 08:48:04 PM
right click on the call sign in the roster on your clipboard and select squelch. If they rant at you on vox, right click on their call sign and select squelch voice. You no longer see or hear poor sportsmanship, chest beating, or any other behavior that is in poor taste.

Most players are very helpful and fun to wing with. Do not let the bad apples ruin your play on Aces High. Overall the community in all three countries are fun to fly with or gv.

 :salute
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on July 30, 2015, 09:07:08 PM
right click on the call sign in the roster on your clipboard and select squelch. If they rant at you on vox, right click on their call sign and select squelch voice. You no longer see or hear poor sportsmanship, chest beating, or any other behavior that is in poor taste.

Most players are very helpful and fun to wing with. Do not let the bad apples ruin your play on Aces High. Overall the community in all three countries are fun to fly with or gv.

 :salute
As I mentioned, mostly I am concerned about the new guy who asks a question and the answer is Alt-F4.

I will however say a young fellow (very young) was asking questions on range the other night, an people were actually helping him. I don't hear that often. Good show fella's
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Lusche on July 31, 2015, 11:05:06 AM

isnt it for everyone? isnt that why one plays a game??? to get away from the chittiness and have something to enjoy 


Well, the keyword I was replying to was "significance".
Playing a game to get away from everyday's chores and to relax a bit is one thing.
Making it a (or even the most) significanct part of your life is a different matter. I know what I'm talking about...  :uhoh
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Skuzzy on July 31, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Oh Lusche,...have some more Kool-Aid. :)
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 31, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
But what would we do without the snails infinite wisdom on in game statistics?  :uhoh

He has helped settle many a debate with kill/death stats among other things over the years.  :old:
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Ratsy on July 31, 2015, 01:47:56 PM
Oh Lusche,...have some more Kool-Aid. :)

All those pretty colors... :O
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Tumor on August 04, 2015, 05:34:06 AM
Non of this would be a problem is you weren't a tard who used his alt advantage. :angel:
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on August 04, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
None of this would be a problem if people accepted they may get bested once in a while and accept it for what it is, a game. :angel:
Fixed  :bolt:
Title: Re: Kinder, gentler players
Post by: Scca on August 04, 2015, 08:05:30 AM
Making it a (or even the most) significanct part of your life is a different matter. I know what I'm talking about...  :uhoh
Ya, I think we have a few folks who spend WAY more time playing than they should.  It's almost like they are fully unaware there is whole world out there beyond grandma's basement.