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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: Yankee67 on July 23, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
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Looks awesome. Love the way the tanks fire. Question on frame rate: I was only getting 7 fps with everything shut off, in the offline arena, is that to be expected at this stage?
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Can we possibly get some sort of rough minimum and recommended system requirement specifications for the Alpha? As this is an Alpha it would be a good idea to give everybody a idea of a baseline to compare with each other. Everybody is running different computer rigs, some more or less powerful than others and should be a staple for trying to troubleshoot future frame-rate issues/and or slowdowns. Otherwise I suggest everybody would have to post their specific computer specs to give a broad range of analysis.
Granted we should be posting our computer specifications anyway to help give the Alpha team of what hardware/software combinations work and ones have issues.
Just my suggestion.
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It depends on your video card and game settings. This is going to be more dependent on the video card.
Try disabling environmental mapping (None), and disable "post lighting" to see what that will do for you.
Play with the Options->Graphic Detail settings to get the performance you want.
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First report on fps - it maxes out at 100hz not 144hz in offline, same as the current Ah game, so I can't tell how much faster it'll go beyond 100fps with GSYNC on, but I'm getting max 100 with everything but environment maxed, max AA, etc - Enviro is on 1 which is how I prefer it in the old game, but I'll boost it once I start playing online if I can. This is on my AH machine, which is the slowest in the home, x79 3820 w/980 card, and so far, even at 1440p (I prefer 1080p for target size), it's humming along very quickly.
I'll start messing with the mouse stuff now, as I set up a hub specifically for another game in order to facilitate unplugging my hotas systems to use the mouse there, so I'm already set up to simply testing out the mouse commander stuff.
I like what I see so far, a lot, zipping along at 550 on the deck in the ME163 offline, lots to see and take note of, but first impressions are important. Tonight should be quite the time if we can fight others in this.
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Looks awesome. Love the way the tanks fire. Question on frame rate: I was only getting 7 fps with everything shut off, in the offline arena, is that to be expected at this stage?
Same thing, everything dead minimum "unless I missed something" and barely sustain 10FR
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We are online stealing sheep now. :) There are online arenas available.
My old ATI 4850 video card manages 60FPS with environmental mapping set to "None" and disabling post lighting.
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We are online stealing sheep now. :) There are online arenas available.
My old ATI 4850 video card manages 60FPS with environmental mapping set to "None" and disabling post lighting.
This might be the main thing... What about for those without graphics cards?
How much info do we have from pre-alpha in integrated boards?
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Some sort of minimum and recommended system requirements would still be nice to help with troubleshooting. Id expect this Alpha to run extremely nice with a 980 graphics card. Can't say the same for those folks who running older hardware. As a suggestion those experiencing low frame-rates post system hardware specs would help.
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Some sort of minimum and recommended system requirements . . .
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,373690.0.html
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,373690.0.html
Still didn't stop from somebody posting one did it? Yet here we are with a troubleshooting post. If that's the case Alpha should not have been opened for public testing if it has not been tested on a wide range of hardware. Personally its pretty contradictory by saying "You are here to help us create a product. We are not here to support the product on your system." If that's' the case how is one supposed to create a product that runs like crap or doesn't run at all? Seems pretty important detail to me. If this is the case then your this post is completely unnecessary if no support will be given. Considering we are all Alphas at this point the floodgates have been opened.
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The alpha is unplayable for me, but it's on my end I think. I have to look into buying a new machine, which was what I was going to do anyway, and give this one to my daughter going into HS. I'm currently on a 64-bit Dell, 2.40GHz, 6 GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 3000, which works fine for AH 2.0. Arrgh.
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If the video card does not have 512MB of dedicated video RAM, your computer is going to struggle to run the game, at all.
1GB of dedicated video RAM is needed in order to have a chance in running with all the graphic options enabled.
Our baseline is the NVidia 9800GTX. With all the graphic options disabled, that card should run the game. Between that card and an NVidia 980Ti, it will be what you want it to be.
First thing to disable is environment mapping. From there, I would to shadows next. Between those two options, you can get a lot more frame rate. Bottomline, is you have to play with the graphic options to get the game to run the way you want it to run.
It is Alpha. It is not finished.
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If the video card does not have 512MB of dedicated video RAM, your computer is going to struggle to run the game, at all.
1GB of dedicated video RAM is needed in order to have a chance in running with all the graphic options enabled.
Our baseline is the NVidia 9800GTX. With all the graphic options disabled, that card should run the game. Between that card and an NVidia 980Ti, it will be what you want it to be.
First thing to disable is environment mapping. From there, I would to shadows next. Between those two options, you can get a lot more frame rate. Bottom line, is you have to play with the graphic options to get the game to run the way you want it to run.
It is Alpha. It is not finished.
Thank you Skuzzy for that information nice to know. It helps everybody when system specs are posted, we now have a baseline established its documented and can help others from this point forward.
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In the beta I had from 2 to 4 frame rate and it was really not playable. I was given a different card to try and that got me up to 8 to 12. Changing the options does not seem to make that big a difference. Actually it does play not so bad at 8 to 12 but this is me flying alone. Probaly in actual game play it will suffer. I doubt if I would continue to subscribe at that level. Best I can tell I will need a new system to play at my current level in AH2. Hopefully the staff can make some adjustments.
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IMHO, people at some point need to stop insisting that game devs quit trying to make their game better, just because some people have older and under-powered hardware. If it takes a hardware upgrade to run the newest version, then so be it. I'd rather see progress and updates.
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Most players I have heard from aren't insisting they dumb down the hardware specs. They understand its on them to upgrade or not.
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Sorry, Dot just stating a fact for me. The topic was frame rates.
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Flatiron,
In your case, I believe the topic should be Operating System. From what I have heard about Vista, it seems to be a bottle neck. Especially when, it doesn't even read all the RAM that your system has installed. In any case, those using laptops, I am not sure of what upgrades are possible. But I have to go with Skuzzy's recommendation of Windows 7 64 bit. As the 32 bit Vista and those with XP seem to suffer the most with frame rates, even with capable video cards.
I began AH2 on a laptop and on dial up 15 years ago. I understand the honest practical value in putting almost everything ahead of buying gaming equipment. Through the years, some of you very good folks have donated bits and pieces, as well as sold me their hand me downs, at steep losses. :pray Thank you.
Flatiron, much of the entire system that you may desire, can be found used, at nearly the cost of a middle ground video card. I would look into that only, because the cost of the Operating System could be just as much as the used system with the OS included. Fortunately, for you I have seen both go at very low costs. And remember this is not a finished product.
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I'm going to go the equipment upgrade route. I knew I needed to at some point. Plus my daughter needs a better laptop, so she'll get my 2013 hand me down. I've picked all the components out, will be building it myself. I'll spend the weekend trying to see if I can get the price down, but so far the total is only about $1200 via Amazon for some good (not super great) components. That fits my budget well, and leaves me room to get a cheap laptop for word processing.
(Anyone think I'm crazy for buying a 4GB GTX970 card vs a GTX980ti? Forking over an extra $350 isn't worth it in my eyes, unless someone tells me different. Same with the ic5 vs ic7, although that price difference is smaller.)
I'll move my build questions over to the other forum, btw.
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I am running XP with a old card MSI 4830 1 gig...everything off I get 60 FPS...although that is without a lot of people :old:
CPU is a 2.9 GHZ duel core
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In the Steal the Flag arena I was getting stutters even with everything disabled in graphics in 2048 mode flying over towns and feilds. I have a 1G video card. I changed my mode to 1024 and was able to click on the default button in the graphics setup and play at that level with no more stutters.
Other than a small degree of shininess on many things that was a tad brighter in 2048, everything looked the same in 1024 as it did in 2048. 4096 sitting still looks really kowabunga...I don't have the video memory, video card bandwidth, and data paths to support it flying or driving.
In the Steal the Sheep arena, when we had about 8 players furballing close together, in 2048 mode my screen began to stutter.
Offline will give you a distorted sense of what your video card can support. I can chase drones all day in 4096 with no problems offline.
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I managed to get 24 frames with everything nerfed, but I can't get mouse look to work in flight, so I can't fly. Can't see my gauges. I'll have to wait until tax time and build a rig for this game; by then it should be better.
In the non-Alpha, I can pull 48-59 frames with great detail settings on my laptop and 30-40 people in flight around me.
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I found a kid on craigslist heading to college and needing to sell a rig. $1000 for an ic5 machine, GTX970 card, with a 24" monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, etc. Another guy laid off, selling ic7 machine, GTX970, for $1200. Can probably get them down, but also there's risk involved.
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last night I was getting a good frame rate...staying between 48-55 looking up it gave me 60....didn't fall below 45 I believe....
so definitely not getting solid 60...but it is very playable even with the 7 year old card I have.
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60 fps in the current game, 7fps in alpha with everything off
i know this pc is garbage but didn't expect that much of a drop off.
ime of this report: 4/30/2013, 18:31:58
Machine name: DESKTOP2013
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130104-1431)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
System Model: XPS 8500
BIOS: BIOS Date: 10/19/12 13:44:12 Ver: 04.06.05
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3350P CPU @ 3.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8152MB RAM
Page File: 1480MB used, 14823MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 620
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GT 620
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1049&SUBSYS_097710DE&REV_A1
Display Memory: 4050 MB
Dedicated Memory: 978 MB
Shared Memory: 3071 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
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Check all the "Disable" boxes in the Graphics Options panel.
Also make sure to set the texture size to 1024 in the game "Video Settings".
The 620 is a pretty low end video card. I think it is the slowest one NVidia makes.
Just remember, it is still an Alpha.
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The alpha is unplayable for me, but it's on my end I think. I have to look into buying a new machine, which was what I was going to do anyway, and give this one to my daughter going into HS. I'm currently on a 64-bit Dell, 2.40GHz, 6 GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 3000, which works fine for AH 2.0. Arrgh.
Yankee,
I think you could do almost as good buying a budget priced computer for less than half that price and spending some of those savings on a video card, and other performance enhancing components. I would take that discussion to the Hardware forum of the BBS and ask there before you make any decision. Looking at the list of things needed for a build, you surely can set the sky as the limit, but at the rate that improvements are made in technology, you won't be on top for long. I would try and settle for practical and upgradable (unless, you feel this is the time to reach for the sky = in that case go for it, but listen to sound advice along the way).
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Our performance tests with the high clocked mainstream version of the HD Graphics 3000 in quad-core processors showed a performance level on par with older entry level generations from NVIDIA (e.g. GeForce 310M) and AMD (HD 5450). In comparison with AMD's APU models, the HD 3000 can only compete against the C-and E-series, but not the faster Llano and Trinity models. The quality of the Intel drivers has been improved over the years, so most games are flawlessly playable (if the minimum requirements are fullfilled).
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html
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IMHO, people at some point need to stop insisting that game devs quit trying to make their game better, just because some people have older and under-powered hardware. If it takes a hardware upgrade to run the newest version, then so be it. I'd rather see progress and updates.
QTF
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The last few open betas for AH2 resulted in many thinking they didn't have the hardware to play the game to their liking. When the finished product was released, most of those complaining could run the new patch or major game upgrade.
This code is in a state that it runs our PC's hard. Makes things blow up sooner than later so Hitech has some idea what to fix.
Every time in the past the testing was opened to the players, it was at a point of being in play mode that needed testing. And every time people "Played" and forgot this is testing to find bugs. Then they came back to the forum and beat up Hitech like it was the finished product. No one gave a ratz hairy kester when he and Skuzzy repeated it was not the finished product. Every one just beat him up if they had "Play" problems.
We are supposed to play in the online arenas then report back what happens if we find anything.
Your PC not able to run the code so your FPS is high enough to be playable is a reportable problem for Hitech to put on the work list.
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Reported for the truth. LOL
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last time i was on the closed alpha i was getting high teens (by myself) off of my Nivida 720gtx. there has been things changed in the alpha since then though
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last time i was on the closed alpha i was getting high teens (by myself) off of my Nivida 720gtx. there has been things changed in the alpha since then though
Is your 720 GT the 1G or 2G DDR3 card or the 2G GDDR5 card? I can find nothing for a 720 GTX by NVIDIA.
720 GT
All cards, data paths - 64bit
Bandwidth DDR3 - 14.4 Gbit sec.
Bandwidth GDDR5 - 40 Gbit sec.
9800 GTX 512
GDDR3 RAM
Data paths - 256bit
Bandwidth - 70.4 Gbit sec.
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I noticed limiting the FoV to 80 made substantial increase to my FR, in the region of 10~15 FPS. Oddly by moving Object Detail full "Detail" I get another 7 FPS out of it.
All of this with Post lightning disabled.