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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Yankee67 on July 24, 2015, 07:22:03 AM
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If all I'm going to do is use it for AH, is there any reason to spend the extra $350 on the GTX980ti? I think both are 4GB.
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It depends. Here's some facts I've learned so far:
- The future AH will be much more GPU dependent than the current version.
- There's something about the GTX970 not having full 4 GB, although it likely won't matter in AH.
- There's a reason for the harder price of the 980ti. Aside of the memory it's got more oomph.
- If you're thinking of upgrading your monitor to higher resolutions than 1920x1080 or higher refresh rate than 60 Hz, the 980 would make a difference.
- As well as triple monitors
Both are good, both will run the current and next AH reasonably well at a good frame rate and with quite a lot of details.
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I just bought into the 2160p world by buying a 40" UHD monitor (VA). I was on the fence about whether even the GTX 980 in SLI was truly enough for that much real estate. This screen is something that will be available this fall for under $500 (probably $350-400). This is the way gaming is going and so I tested my setup in Metro Redux. The 980Ti (36fps) is able to power this monitor easily though still trailing the GTX 980 SLI (58 fps) setup, so I would recommend it before any other card. I regret only that I have not yet gotten a second 980Ti, but in fairness I don't need them yet.
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The 970 is sufficient enough to run the next version of AH with the graphics on the highest settings and maintain a solid 60fps.
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The 970 is sufficient enough to run the next version of AH with the graphics on the highest settings and maintain a solid 60fps.
At 4k? And bear in mind that not only are people going to want 4k, but the situation in AHIII may still change. Hopefully, once it is in full release we can finally get an SLI profile, too.
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I just upgraded from a GTX 760 SC to a 970 SSC.
At 4k? And bear in mind that not only are people going to want 4k, but the situation in AHIII may still change. Hopefully, once it is in full release we can finally get an SLI profile, too.
What percentage of players do you think will be using a 4K monitor anytime soon? I'm happy with my 5 year old, 27 inch "low tech junk". :D
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What percentage of players do you think will be using a 4K monitor anytime soon? I'm happy with my 5 year old, 27 inch "low tech junk". :D
That percentage may be bigger than you might believe. The biggest problem with that is, that those who are able to get a 4k monitor or TV don't necessarily realize that it equals four HD monitors in terms of stressing the computer, especially GPU. I've already heard a fellow AH'er wonder why his frame rates got so poor after getting a better monitor which appeared to be 4K.
You say you're happy with your 5 year old monitor. Would you like to go back to a 4/3 one? No? What if your current one quit working? Would you get a similar one or rather a 4K or an 144 Hz, because it'd be "better" and "up to date" or even "preparing for the near future"? There's quite a lot AH'ers with a steady income and no more debts who'd be likely to spend an extra $200 to get something they think would pay the price difference back in longevity.
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I just upgraded from a GTX 760 SC to a 970 SSC.
What percentage of players do you think will be using a 4K monitor anytime soon? I'm happy with my 5 year old, 27 inch "low tech junk". :D
I'm not interested in percentages. When you start seeing UHD monitors in the 40" range drop to $350-450, which I believe will be this Thanksgiving, then you can ask yourself if you want to upgrade. I believe that is when the transition will begin. I still remember wishing I could afford a 21" monitor when they were $5,000 or more. But once you try a 40" you will realize that the 21", 23", 24", or 27" were nice in their day, but it's a new day now. I was happy with three 24" monitors, and then 28" and so on, but moving to the single larger screen was (is) inevitable. Each in his own time.
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Even with the new AH graphics, my 1920x1200 resolution monitor looks plenty good to me. I can't go any bigger, without getting a bigger apartment. I sit two feet from this one. Not sure what the benefit is to spend $400 on a monitor, when it would necessitate spending $2000 more on multiple high end video cards to get the most from it.
I'd love to have the biggest monitor and state of the art video cards but with AH being the only game on my system, all that $$$ seems to invoke the law of diminishing returns.
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Again, that's your assessment, which if I was in your position I might agree (except your dollar figures are WAY off). A single 980 Ti is more than enough, and it's not even $700. Distance from my 40" to my nose is 26", so if your apartment prevents you from moving back 2" you must live in a sardine can.
You can power a 4k monitor with a single GTX 670, or 660 Ti, though you may not get full graphics settings in AHIII. With all this being true I think you are just arguing that YOU can't/won't do this, which is your decision.
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I'm running a 970 in my rig. Solid card. Does well with most games. ArmA can hiccup sometimes.
As far as Aces High, it knocks it out of the park. On the Alpha, all settings are near max or are maxed and I'm still cranking out 55-60fps.
One 1600 by 900 monitor.
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Again, that's your assessment, which if I was in your position I might agree (except your dollar figures are WAY off). A single 980 Ti is more than enough, and it's not even $700. Distance from my 40" to my nose is 26", so if your apartment prevents you from moving back 2" you must live in a sardine can.
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Some if us have a nice home, but with little desktop space. I do not have space on my desk for anything larger than a 27" panel. Even with that, I do not have space for a joystick.
My monitor is less than 18" from my face and that is as far back as it will go. And that is the state of my 3,200 square foot sardine can.
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That percentage may be bigger than you might believe. The biggest problem with that is, that those who are able to get a 4k monitor or TV don't necessarily realize that it equals four HD monitors in terms of stressing the computer, especially GPU. I've already heard a fellow AH'er wonder why his frame rates got so poor after getting a better monitor which appeared to be 4K.
You say you're happy with your 5 year old monitor. Would you like to go back to a 4/3 one? No? What if your current one quit working? Would you get a similar one or rather a 4K or an 144 Hz, because it'd be "better" and "up to date" or even "preparing for the near future"? There's quite a lot AH'ers with a steady income and no more debts who'd be likely to spend an extra $200 to get something they think would pay the price difference back in longevity.
Just to add some truism to Biz's post I am currently considering to pick up 1 of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-466
to use w/ this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202155
Should be on my doorstep next week.
:D :salute
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Some if us have a nice home, but with little desktop space.
I realize I was being a little sarcastic, but I was replying to sarcasm as I read it. And do not see any doubt that there will be movement toward 4k coming quickly. Caldera is correct about diminishing returns in some areas and we all have to weigh our options carefully, as with anything. The way I look at it the 4k option on smaller screens would be a worse decision, which is why I was (in the end) disappointed with the way DSR worked out (not supported by SLI setups).
Yankee is after all asking about a high end video card. In the case of the 980 Ti it will support 4k easily, and can even push apparent resolutions (with DSR) to 6k while still maintaining 30-48 fps in AH. I would prefer the FPS to resolution, but I also prefer screen real estate when it comes to gunnery. That is especially true in AH when I am trying to snipe Dr7 behind a tree several kilometers away.
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And you sir, are correct about my sardine can domicile. :cheers:
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Some people are now using 40" 4k tv as computer monitor. To me this approach has too many bad sides. TV has lag. Screen is too big for close view. Better option to get 27" with 144 or 240hz as Chalenge said.
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ha i must be getting old here you are all talking about 4 k res and i still watch the old analog tv shows in 4.3 like i did 50 years ago. but i do it on a 60 inch sony so i can see what i am watching. i have a hard time seeing as it is now. for me i do not need to see every rivet on the cartoon planes to shoot at it. when i built my computer using the 980 ti , it was to hold fps with the graphics for AH 3 which it does at the 1920 x1080 res. from what i have seen in the stores 4 k res has not yet made me wooowwwwwwwww. so it will be interesting what you all have to say about this game in 4 k res in comparison to 1920 x 1080. if its worth the extra cash then i will go with something like this. however my cable provider has not yet given me a signal in that high range .
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-75-class-74-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/2639137.p?id=1219551828395&skuId=2639137
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Both Netflix and Amazon stream 4k videos, but there aren't too many available. I tried to post an 8k screenshot from AH3, but even in the films and screenshots area the host would not accept it, despite it being compressed to suit the file size limits.
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Both Netflix and Amazon stream 4k videos, but there aren't too many available. I tried to post an 8k screenshot from AH3, but even in the films and screenshots area the host would not accept it, despite it being compressed to suit the file size limits.
What error did you get? Give me the exact size of the file, and the file type.
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It's a .jpg and file size is (reported by Windows) as 5,046 KB (5,166,319 bytes). I had it compressed at the "10" Max level in PS CS6 at 6,126 KB (6,272,618 bytes) and that wouldn't go either (obviously).
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Even with the new AH graphics, my 1920x1200 resolution monitor looks plenty good to me. I can't go any bigger, without getting a bigger apartment. I sit two feet from this one. Not sure what the benefit is to spend $400 on a monitor, when it would necessitate spending $2000 more on multiple high end video cards to get the most from it.
I'd love to have the biggest monitor and state of the art video cards but with AH being the only game on my system, all that $$$ seems to invoke the law of diminishing returns.
Getting a higher resolution doesn't always mean more inches. 4K monitors seem to start from 27" which I suppose is close enough to your current one. The resolution you are using can be found on 7 inch tablets http://i1.wp.com/thedigitaldisciple.net/wp-content/uploads/Tablet-Screen-Master-2015-7-1.jpg (http://i1.wp.com/thedigitaldisciple.net/wp-content/uploads/Tablet-Screen-Master-2015-7-1.jpg). Apple has a 5K monitor in their 27" iMac, with a resolution of 5120 x 2880.
As Pudgie's example shows, a much faster monitor isn't bigger either.
Size doesn't matter, it's the amount of pixels and the speed they are drawn that define the requirements of a video card.
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DPI (dots per inch) define the size of the monitor, for any given resolution.
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Pardon me! I forgot the error message:
Your attachment couldn't be saved. This might happen because it took too long to upload or the file is bigger than the server will allow.
Please consult your server administrator for more information.
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Pardon me! I forgot the error message:
Your attachment couldn't be saved. This might happen because it took too long to upload or the file is bigger than the server will allow.
Please consult your server administrator for more information.
I need the physical size and the attachment type. It could be a matter of timeout length.
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It's a .jpg and file size is (reported by Windows) as 5,046 KB (5,166,319 bytes). I had it compressed at the "10" Max level in PS CS6 at 6,126 KB (6,272,618 bytes) and that wouldn't go either (obviously).
Already posted. :aok
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Already posted. :aok
My bad.
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At 4k? And bear in mind that not only are people going to want 4k, but the situation in AHIII may still change. Hopefully, once it is in full release we can finally get an SLI profile, too.
The OP never mentioned using a 4k monitor, he just asked if the Nvidia 970 card could run the game as well as a 980Ti, which it can.
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I was justifying why I suggested the 980Ti, but no I disagree that it can run as well on a 970. I do not own a 970, but I do own a 980 and 980 Ti so I can see where the 970 could not possibly do as well.
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The 970 does fine with the Alpha, at 1920x1080 resolution with all the bells and whistles enabled.
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Oh, yeah for some reason I thought it might not make the 4k texture jump. It's been awhile since I was using 1080p. :D
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I just had a tough time deciding on a video card and it came down to the 970 and 390 8gb. Both were the same price and I went with the 390. It might be something to look into if you decide on the 970 , unless your a nvidia guy . I can honestly say I try to go for the best bang for the buck no matter who makes it , and right now at $329 , i think the 390 is that card.
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I'm not interested in percentages. When you start seeing UHD monitors in the 40" range drop to $350-450, which I believe will be this Thanksgiving, then you can ask yourself if you want to upgrade. I believe that is when the transition will begin. I still remember wishing I could afford a 21" monitor when they were $5,000 or more. But once you try a 40" you will realize that the 21", 23", 24", or 27" were nice in their day, but it's a new day now. I was happy with three 24" monitors, and then 28" and so on, but moving to the single larger screen was (is) inevitable. Each in his own time.
Chalenge, have they started to address the motion blurr?
I was all set to jump on the 4k bandwagon but I found that the only improvement was the resolution,they still have motion blurr and input lag out the wazoo!
I have been using a 55 in LG for several years now,it's a 120hz unit at 1080p,however I see motion blurr,mostly when moving views and TIR made me nausea because of the blurring icons.
I was hoping with the new OLED screens they would have reduced blurr but the reports I read say thats not the case.
I'm wondering what your VA screen is like,size isnt an issue for me as I use a wall mount! A homemade flight chair allows me to position myself at any distance and with my eyesight I need to be atleast 30 inches away to see clearly,well what I consider clear,any closer and it's all but impossible for me to see without glasses.
:salute
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Many of the current triple A game titles cannot be played at 4K resolutions without turning down many of the graphic options simply due to the number of pixels. Even the NVidia 980Ti card is struggling with many games at that resolution.
I think I am going to wait another generation of video cards before looking at a UHD monitor.
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I am using the Philips BDM4065UC, which may not be the best solution (I think better are coming this fall), but I could not pass up the price I was offered. This monitor is 60Hz, but by default it is only 30Hz. When I first started playing AH I had a flat screen that suffered so badly from ghosting in AH that I almost gave up. That is not the case with this monitor. I read a fairly detailed review of the screen before purchasing, and the details had me a little worried, but it practice it has not been an issue. I really helped reduce the number of cables I had running across the desk, too. You can read more about it here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/philips_bdm4065uc.htm
Amazon is still holding them up at $750 I think. I found them lower at Sams' Club, but local inventories are not consistent and some of my friends that tried to pick one up found none in stock.
EDIT: added bolded words that somehow get left out