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Title: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: FLOOB on July 25, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
You diddlying heard me! Post your opinions here and I shall ridicule the fools and praise the righteous.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: pipz on July 25, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
I would say the C47 but MrKrabs may disagree.............. :old:
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Slade on July 25, 2015, 04:02:35 PM
With respect to late war, one of the most incapable planes is the P-40c.  Cant climb, slow, guns need all the help they can get...

These attributes make the kills all the more sweet though.  :aok
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 25, 2015, 04:04:33 PM
The i-16

No use for it.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: APDrone on July 25, 2015, 04:09:30 PM
Honestly.. anything I am flying at the time.

Ise suxorz at fighterz.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: FLOOB on July 25, 2015, 05:01:08 PM
With respect to late war, one of the most incapable planes is the P-40c.  Cant climb, slow, guns need all the help they can get...

These attributes make the kills all the more sweet though.  :aok
Wow second reply in and somebody already answered correctly. Kudos to you sir, and kudos again.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: caldera on July 25, 2015, 05:25:33 PM
Hurri I makes everything else seem fast.  Negative G cut-outs, bb guns and "Hurri" icon hurts from an offensive standpoint.

Runner ups-

Spit I is akin to the Hurri I but in my experience, better in LW.
P-40C it's guns kinda suck, but is a noticeably better turner than the P-40E.  A toss-up.
I-16 has some wacky handling but nice firepower - if you can bring it to bear.
109E is nimble but slow and the guns are far south of good.
C.202 is a nice turner/climber but too few guns.
A6M2 short clip, slow, fragile and the "A6M" icon.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: jeep00 on July 25, 2015, 05:30:03 PM
Hurri I makes everything else seem fast.  Negative G cut-outs, bb guns and "Hurri" icon hurts from an offensive standpoint.

Runner ups-

Spit I is akin to the Hurri I but in my experience, better in LW.
P-40C it's guns kinda suck, but is a noticeably better turner than the P-40E.  A toss-up.
I-16 has some wacky handling but nice firepower - if you can bring it to bear.
109E is nimble but slow and the guns are far south of good.
C.202 is a nice turner/climber but too few guns.
A6M2 short clip, slow, fragile and the "A6M" icon.

Those fiest two were the first to come to my mind as well.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Guppy35 on July 25, 2015, 06:01:02 PM
Honestly.. anything I am flying at the time.

Ise suxorz at fighterz.

Beat me to it.  Anything I'm flying is far worse than what you are flying :)
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Someguy63 on July 25, 2015, 06:24:52 PM
The P39.

*awaits raynos' response*
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Latrobe on July 25, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
The i-16

No use for it.


Incorrect. The I16 is amazing at killing a certain someone's La-7 while they try to rope you  :devil



The worst plane ever is easily the Brewster.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: pipz on July 25, 2015, 07:19:35 PM
The worst plane ever is easily the Brewster.

Its a outrage! The Brewster won WW2, Held the line in Korea and turned what would have been the 32 day war into the 6 day war!  :old:
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Latrobe on July 25, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
Its a outrage! The Brewster won WW2, Held the line in Korea and turned what would have been the 32 day war into the 6 day war!  :old:

Don't listen to those lies Pipz! It's all propaganda!!!!
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: mthrockmor on July 25, 2015, 07:44:49 PM
He-111, unless we are in a scenario; B5N, even when it is a scenario; Ju-87, unless it is 1939, maybe 1940; P-47Nancy, 'cause anything over the P-47D25 is just overkill; PonyD, which creates the incentive to run like a P-47N; Fw-190F8, because Grapevine, Texas has no idea what a time delayed fuse is; Bf-110C, because the G has all the answers; Ta-152, because Kurt Tank was drunk the day of Aerospace school when they taught about compression stalls; F4U-4Hog, because this isn't Korea circa 1950; Tempest, because it makes the PonyD look like a turn-fighter; and finally, everything else because they ain't the....

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Period

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Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: SysError on July 25, 2015, 08:42:20 PM
With respect to late war, one of the most incapable planes is the P-40c.  Cant climb, slow, guns need all the help they can get...

These attributes make the kills all the more sweet though.  :aok

Don't give me a Peter-four-oh; it's a hell of an airplane, I know
A ground-looping bastard, you're bound to get plastered
Don't give me a Peter-four-oh

CHORUS:
Give me operations way out on some lonely atoll
For I am too young to die; I just want to grow old


The P39.

*awaits raynos' response*


Don't give me a P-39; the engine is mounted behind
She'll tumble and roll, and she'll bore a deep hole
Don't give me a P-39

CHORUS:
Give me operations way out on some lonely atoll
For I am too young to die; I just want to grow old


... P-47Nancy, 'cause anything over the P-47D25 is just overkill;....

Don't give me an old Thunderbolt; she gave many pilots a jolt
It looks like a jug, and it flies like a tug
Don't give me an old Thunderbolt

CHORUS:
Give me operations way out on some lonely atoll
For I am too young to die; I just want to grow old


Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: HL117 on July 25, 2015, 10:26:06 PM
The one with the fixed gear , not the stuka it the  "D"  something
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Volron on July 25, 2015, 10:30:12 PM
Honestly.. anything I am flying at the time.

Ise suxorz at fighterz.

This.  :D
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Karnak on July 25, 2015, 10:31:41 PM
Hurri I makes everything else seem fast.  Negative G cut-outs, bb guns and "Hurri" icon hurts from an offensive standpoint.

Runner ups-

Spit I is akin to the Hurri I but in my experience, better in LW.
P-40C it's guns kinda suck, but is a noticeably better turner than the P-40E.  A toss-up.
I-16 has some wacky handling but nice firepower - if you can bring it to bear.
109E is nimble but slow and the guns are far south of good.
C.202 is a nice turner/climber but too few guns.
A6M2 short clip, slow, fragile and the "A6M" icon.
All of the non-P-40C aircraft you mentioned will, pilots being equal, kick the bellybutton of a P-40C with ease.

The one with the fixed gear , not the stuka it the  "D"  something
D3A1, not a fighter, but it to will kick the bellybutton of a P-40C.  :p
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: HL117 on July 25, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
D3A1, not a fighter, but it to will kick the bellybutton of a P-40C. 

  Think I have flown it like 3 times, what is it considered a bomber?

Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: 100Coogn on July 25, 2015, 11:07:46 PM
D3A1, not a fighter, but it to will kick the bellybutton of a P-40C. 

  Think I have flown it like 3 times, what is it considered a bomber?

Dive bomber.

Coogan
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: hgtonyvi on July 25, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
I think the worst fighter will be the c202. In my opinion I think anything that lacks fire power.....unless if you are a human aimbot and can land shots hitting pilots in the head...like 1 ping shots. C202 will be a great plane if someone can do that every time. Again it's considered one of my worst fighter....again that plane will do some nice ACMs but lacks firepower.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 26, 2015, 12:16:57 AM
I would have said p38 but we all know that is a bomber  so ill say me410  that thing cant turn inside of an aircraft carrier.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Grin on July 26, 2015, 01:05:11 AM
Anything that has a dead engine from pushing the nose down.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: JVboob on July 26, 2015, 04:08:12 AM
Me410 for the "heavy fighters"
P40C ( i hate to say that, it is a joy to fly though)
The ultimate worst bird is the K4 and LA7 2nd and 3rd to the Yak3
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 26, 2015, 04:22:18 AM
I vote for P-40 too, it lacks the speed and acceleration and unlike other slow planes it has too high wingloading to be able to win turn fights. A lot of planes, Spit IX, Niki 109F etc can beat the 40 in both top speed and turn performance.


The worst plane ever is easily the Brewster.

Oh i see what u try to do sweetheart. But we still love u.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: caldera on July 26, 2015, 08:28:03 AM
All of the non-P-40C aircraft you mentioned will, pilots being equal, kick the bellybutton of a P-40C with ease.

Yes they will, though I got the impression that the topic wasn't about specific head to head match ups, but more about general capability versus the entire plane set.  From personal experience, I was far more successful* in the P-40C than the Hurri I.


Did some digging in the AH stats pages and tallied the kills and deaths of the eight previously mentioned aircraft.
Totals for the previous twelve months in the Late War Arena:

K/D+1

P-40C  -  .73
I-16  -  .72
P-40E  -  .7013
C.202  -  .7011
Hurri I  -  .56
109E  -  .54
A6M2  -  .45
Spit I  -  .34


Usage (kills+deaths)

I-16  -  7042
A6M2  -  4467
109E  -  3314
C.202  -  2202
Spit I  -  1940
P-40E  -  1913
Hurri I  -  1839
P-40C  -  1519


Kind of interesting that the plane considered worst by many (and flown by the least) has a better K/D than the others.  It appears that the Spit I could be the worst plane in Late War.



* Personal stats for P-40C and Hurri I:

Hurri I: 111 kills/63 deaths (1.73 K/D)

P-40C:  465 kills/155 deaths (2.98 K/D)

Anecdotal, but still...


Just for kicks, the Spit I:  156 kills/71 deaths (2.17 K/D)
I think some of the improvement over the Hurri is a result of the "Hurri" icon scaring away potential sparring partners.

Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: pipz on July 26, 2015, 08:51:38 AM
The 202 is a sexy plane. It has a full history as well with plenty of combat. I just wish I could shoot stuff down with it heheh. I would have thought it was my sloppy aim but I can shoot stuff down with just the MG's in the nose of a late 109 or Ki-84. Are the Bredas weaker than the other two mentioned?

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/mc_202_folgore_sized_zpshk62ribk.jpg) (http://s191.photobucket.com/user/Pimpzdog/media/mc_202_folgore_sized_zpshk62ribk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 26, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
Yes they will, though I got the impression that the topic wasn't about specific head to head match ups, but more about general capability versus the entire plane set.  From personal experience, I was far more successful* in the P-40C than the Hurri I.


Did some digging in the AH stats pages and tallied the kills and deaths of the eight previously mentioned aircraft.
Totals for the previous twelve months in the Late War Arena:

K/D+1

P-40C  -  .73
I-16  -  .72
P-40E  -  .7013
C.202  -  .7011
Hurri I  -  .56
109E  -  .54
A6M2  -  .45
Spit I  -  .34


Usage (kills+deaths)

I-16  -  7042
A6M2  -  4467
109E  -  3314
C.202  -  2202
Spit I  -  1940
P-40E  -  1913
Hurri I  -  1839
P-40C  -  1519


Kind of interesting that the plane considered worst by many (and flown by the least) has a better K/D than the others.  It appears that the Spit I could be the worst plane in Late War.



* Personal stats for P-40C and Hurri I:

Hurri I: 111 kills/63 deaths (1.73 K/D)

P-40C:  465 kills/155 deaths (2.98 K/D)

Anecdotal, but still...


Just for kicks, the Spit I:  156 kills/71 deaths (2.17 K/D)
I think some of the improvement over the Hurri is a result of the "Hurri" icon scaring away potential sparring partners.

Damn I was close with the I-16 Haha.

Latrobe has too much credibility, as he could be flying a Sopwith Camel and still out climb any plane in the game.

The 109E is also a legit death trap.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: TW9 on July 26, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I'd say the C-Hog relatively due to its high price, crappy mechanics, and no rear view which sucks because it used to be one of my favorites. I know the old one was a bit OP but so are a lot of other planes. I think the newer one could use some dumbing down.

***Note: Haven't played for awhile.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Coalcat1 on July 26, 2015, 09:43:36 AM
I would have to argue the 262. Other than speed, it's rather lacking in performance. Slow acceleration, in most hands, poor maneuverability, high perk price, difficult to use gun package, and the fact that everyone and their whole family will try to kill you lead to it being a hard plane to fly.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: craz07 on July 26, 2015, 10:05:55 AM
I have to say the p40c also, completely useless unless your flying against someone inexperienced
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: TW9 on July 26, 2015, 10:33:36 AM
Geez everyone picking on the p40. Keep in mind it was basically a pre-ww2 plane developed during relative peace and when the US wasn't necessarily planning on getting involved in the war.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Obie303 on July 26, 2015, 10:49:50 AM
I would have to disagree with folks putting the Hurri 1 on the list.  Given the right pilot (Schachi comes to mind when she was flying) did very well.  It does have many flaws, it can't run from anything, it can't catch anything, the .303 round is weak, and there is the negative G issue.  But I argue if you fly it to the edge of those limits, you can be successful.  It's been a few months since I've been able to fly, but if I can avoid the gang up on the Hurri game (my personal favorite), I have done well. 

Obie
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 26, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
Geez everyone picking on the p40. Keep in mind it was basically a pre-ww2 plane developed during relative peace and when the US wasn't necessarily planning on getting involved in the war.

Like a lot of planes, Brewster, Spitfire, Hurricane, I-16 etc. P-40 flew 2 years after 109 and Spitfire.

P-40 simply doesnt work in the MA since it has no strenght to use. A P-40N is slower than a Spit V but has a wing loading comparable to a spit XIV or a late 109G. There are simply too many better plane around.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Muzzy on July 26, 2015, 11:49:54 AM
C.202 is not completely useless, as my squad was able to bag a decent number of kills with it during FSO despite a lot of frustration. It flies reasonably well but the lack of hitting power is the one element that puts it near the bottom.

Incidentally the .202's stats for July might be a bit inflated due to pilots getting practice time in.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: TW9 on July 26, 2015, 11:54:36 AM
C.202 is not completely useless, as my squad was able to bag a decent number of kills with it during FSO despite a lot of frustration. It flies reasonably well but the lack of hitting power is the one element that puts it near the bottom.

Incidentally the .202's stats for July might be a bit inflated due to pilots getting practice time in.

Have to agree here. The 202 is one of the best fighters to dual in. It really handles well on the edge. While its not comparable to late war, I don't think the OP was looking for obvious answers like early war planes.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: APDrone on July 26, 2015, 12:50:12 PM
Ok.. y'all correct me if I'm wrong, but the P40C, when flown against its time-period adversaries, doesn't fare too badly.  If flown properly, it can survive against the A6M2 ( mainly by running ) and, if not forced into a dogfight, may very well get the pilot home safely.

Now, from the the FSOs I've flown, where the planes do face their time-period foes, by far the most painful plane I've flown is the Yak 7B. That thing just sux against its counterparts. 

Is that a correct assessment?


Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Grin on July 26, 2015, 12:53:15 PM
Ok.. y'all correct me if I'm wrong, but the P40C, when flown against its time-period adversaries, doesn't fare too badly.  If flown properly, it can survive against the A6M2 ( mainly by running ) and, if not forced into a dogfight, may very well get the pilot home safely.

Now, from the the FSOs I've flown, where the planes do face their time-period foes, by far the most painful plane I've flown is the Yak 7B. That thing just sux against its counterparts. 

Is that a correct assessment?

The trick to P-40 success, as reinforced in Frame 2 this month, is to have the numbers advantage and use Flying Tigers tactics. Boom and zoom, mutual support, NO TURN FIGHTING. 50 or so P-40E and F models is a sight to behold, and I forgot to get screenshots  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Traveler on July 26, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
Which ever one you are flying when the nme saddles up on your six.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 26, 2015, 01:43:05 PM
Ok.. y'all correct me if I'm wrong, but the P40C, when flown against its time-period adversaries, doesn't fare too badly.  If flown properly, it can survive against the A6M2 ( mainly by running ) and, if not forced into a dogfight, may very well get the pilot home safely.

Now, from the the FSOs I've flown, where the planes do face their time-period foes, by far the most painful plane I've flown is the Yak 7B. That thing just sux against its counterparts. 

Is that a correct assessment?

Yes, P-40 can survive (and be successful) against A6M since it faster. In WW2 they also did fairly well against 109E so in a EW arena it is not bad. Problem with the MA is that Slow EW planes are always in company with faster ME/LW rides and that hurt the P-40 a lot. Zekes and Brewsters (and even 109E and spit I) can compensate their slow speed by turning and catching faster planes while they are slow. The P-40 cannot turn in the same way, quite a few of the faster rides beats it in a turning contest too. Add the really crappy climb performance to that.

P-40:s in China were faster than the Ki-43 and Zekes that they met, and P-40:s high speed maneuverability outclassed the Japanese planes. So by keeping speed up they cold fight in their own terms.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: RufusLeaking on July 26, 2015, 03:10:04 PM

Did some digging in the AH stats pages and tallied the kills and deaths of the eight previously mentioned aircraft.
Totals for the previous twelve months in the Late War Arena:

K/D+1

P-40C  -  .73
I-16  -  .72
P-40E  -  .7013
C.202  -  .7011
Hurri I  -  .56
109E  -  .54
A6M2  -  .45
Spit I  -  .34


Usage (kills+deaths)

I-16  -  7042
A6M2  -  4467
109E  -  3314
C.202  -  2202
Spit I  -  1940
P-40E  -  1913
Hurri I  -  1839
P-40C  -  1519


Putting aside the usual "it's the pilot, not the plane blah, blah, blah," performance in the MA is very much about the situation.

Most of the planes on the list do not have the speed to catch a cold or the fire power for a knock out punch. Meanwhile, your "buddies" on country are clearing your 12:00.

In my personal experience, the Spit I is toughest to get a kill.

Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Muzzy on July 26, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Ok.. y'all correct me if I'm wrong, but the P40C, when flown against its time-period adversaries, doesn't fare too badly.  If flown properly, it can survive against the A6M2 ( mainly by running ) and, if not forced into a dogfight, may very well get the pilot home safely.

Now, from the the FSOs I've flown, where the planes do face their time-period foes, by far the most painful plane I've flown is the Yak 7B. That thing just sux against its counterparts. 

Is that a correct assessment?

I've never flown the 7B in scenarios or FSO, but I've had some decent success with it in the MA. It has the same hitting power as a Yak9 (the one with the 20mm gun package...I forget which one it is.) and is a fairly easy bird to fly. As I've mentioned before elsewhere, it's in some ways the epitome of mediocrity...it's okay at just about everything but not great at anything, nor does it have one glaring weakness that stands out like in the .202.

Maybe the 7B is more effective in MA because it faces a wider variety of opposition...some of which have weaknesses it can exploit. Against its traditional foes, (I'm assuming 109's, FW's and the like) it has disadvantages across the board.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: darkzking on July 26, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
The P39.

*awaits raynos' response*
(http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/17/93/79/61/39072310.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: glzsqd on July 26, 2015, 04:11:52 PM
At D200, the P40C's gun package will kill just as quickly as 6 50cals will. P40C seems to be outclassed by most in the MA, but in a early war setting fighting its contemporary's you will find that it has many of the key attributes that the next generation of fighters would build upon (Fire power, Speed, Roll)
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: caldera on July 26, 2015, 05:39:09 PM
The trick to P-40 success, as reinforced in Frame 2 this month, is to have the numbers advantage and use Flying Tigers tactics. Boom and zoom, mutual support, NO TURN FIGHTING. 50 or so P-40E and F models is a sight to behold, and I forgot to get screenshots  :embarrassed:


 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Just a few minutes ago, I witnessed firsthand, the awesome and fearsome utilization of a large number of hand-holding P-40 aces.  They impressed so much with brilliant tactics, superior airmanship and a flamboyant derring-do that I can no longer justify flying solo.  Clearly, there is no possible way to do anything in a P-40 without lots of friends helping to gang a single con.  I did enjoy my successful landing, btw.  Thanks for the laughs.   :cheers:

Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Latrobe on July 26, 2015, 05:55:11 PM
I don't know why this thread is still going. The Brewster has already been listed!  :P
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 26, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
"Brewsters must be  the most overmodeled plane i  the game." -Said by any ramdom LA jocky that just lost a turn fight with a Brewster...
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: 49Dallas on July 26, 2015, 07:08:06 PM
Ki43, spit 1, or P40c
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Volron on July 26, 2015, 07:45:19 PM
The D3A was used in a fighter role if I recall correctly, if only a few times.  :headscratch:  I recall reading about it somewhere, but Karnak has this knowledge written into his eye's, so he'll know for sure. :D

The thing is, I've managed to get a 109F into a knife fight with my D3A, all the while having to deal with dodging 4 other con's.  Managed to shoot him down too. :D  I decided to HO a 262 in the end though.  Needless to say, it didn't go well for me. :uhoh  Though those other cons would've gotten me anyways.  So I figured, "Why the hell not?". :D




(http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/17/93/79/61/39072310.jpg)

WTF!!? :noid
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Karnak on July 26, 2015, 08:45:17 PM
The D3A was used in a fighter role if I recall correctly, if only a few times.  :headscratch:  I recall reading about it somewhere, but Karnak has this knowledge written into his eye's, so he'll know for sure. :D

The thing is, I've managed to get a 109F into a knife fight with my D3A, all the while having to deal with dodging 4 other con's.  Managed to shoot him down too. :D  I decided to HO a 262 in the end though.  Needless to say, it didn't go well for me. :uhoh  Though those other cons would've gotten me anyways.  So I figured, "Why the hell not?". :D




WTF!!? :noid
Both the D3A and SBD were occasionally used as CAP due to insufficient numbers of A6Ms or F4Fs at times.  That doesn't make either of them fighters though, just a better fallback than the B5N or the TBD.

My best kill in the D3A in AH was a P-47N that thought he could turn fight with me.  And it was a honest shoot down, not an auger.  I shot his elevators off.

My biggest humiliation by a D3A was having one dive on my Me262 while I was climbing out.  While I managed to avoid the absolute catastrophe of being shot down by the D3A, it did take out one of my engines requiring an abrupt return to base.  So I was in an Me262 running for my life from a D3A1, quite ridiculous.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Volron on July 26, 2015, 09:15:31 PM
Both the D3A and SBD were occasionally used as CAP due to insufficient numbers of A6Ms or F4Fs at times.  That doesn't make either of them fighters though, just a better fallback than the B5N or the TBD.

My best kill in the D3A in AH was a P-47N that thought he could turn fight with me.  And it was a honest shoot down, not an auger.  I shot his elevators off.

My biggest humiliation by a D3A was having one dive on my Me262 while I was climbing out.  While I managed to avoid the absolute catastrophe of being shot down by the D3A, it did take out one of my engines requiring an abrupt return to base.  So I was in an Me262 running for my life from a D3A1, quite ridiculous.

I remember the SBD being pressed into the role, just wasn't overly sure about the D3A.  I've used it in the fighter role though in defense of a base when FH's were down.  It's not super bad, but definitely better than nothing.  While the A6M2-N would have a better punch in port defense, the D3A is probably a tad more nimble. :aok

I took the R wing of the 109, it wasn't an auger. :t  But it sure as hell was satisfying managing that through my predicament. :x  There was an La-7 BnZ'ing, who I was expecting to kill me.  He did take my R gear, and was making a run on me when I got the 109's wing.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Oldman731 on July 26, 2015, 09:23:51 PM
With rare exception (109F, Spit V) the early war planes aren't going to be able to compete, 1 v 1, with the late war planes.  So, on the assumption that our Floob meant "which of the late war planes is the worst," I will nominate the FW190-A8.  I have tried, for years, to fly that competitively in 1 v 1s, and have yet to discover a way to make it work.  That hasn't been true (for me, at least) for any of the other late-war planes.

- oldman
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Karnak on July 26, 2015, 09:38:45 PM
With rare exception (109F, Spit V) the early war planes aren't going to be able to compete, 1 v 1, with the late war planes.  So, on the assumption that our Floob meant "which of the late war planes is the worst," I will nominate the FW190-A8.  I have tried, for years, to fly that competitively in 1 v 1s, and have yet to discover a way to make it work.  That hasn't been true (for me, at least) for any of the other late-war planes.

- oldman
If we're limiting it to late war stuff I'll put in the Me410 (if it counts as late war) as the worst.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Muzzy on July 26, 2015, 10:19:20 PM
With rare exception (109F, Spit V) the early war planes aren't going to be able to compete, 1 v 1, with the late war planes.  So, on the assumption that our Floob meant "which of the late war planes is the worst," I will nominate the FW190-A8.  I have tried, for years, to fly that competitively in 1 v 1s, and have yet to discover a way to make it work.  That hasn't been true (for me, at least) for any of the other late-war planes.

- oldman

I would agree that 1v1 the A8 is very difficult to fly effectively. It is simply not a duelist's plane. It is very effective in the MA when you can BnZ and slash to your heart's content.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: hgtonyvi on July 26, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Again most 190 pilots don't know to fly them. All they do is make passes and extend. Wrong way to use a 190. 190 are very capable to stall fight if you know what you are doing. Pervert is one dude that uses it the right way.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Butcher on July 27, 2015, 11:34:21 AM
The only aircraft I haven't landed 5 kills in flying one sortie in the LWA was:

Spitfire 1
A6M2
P-40C

I did score 9 kills in (single sortie or scenario event without rearm):
Hurri 1 (5 kills on Ju-87s and 4 on 109s in a scenario).
P-39D (9 kills on A6M2's in an event
P-40E (15 kills vulching)
I-16 (9 kills defending an airfield, half were auggers)
C.202 (this was a toughie; I barely managed 5 before rearming, eventually landed because the BB's were pissing me off).

Runners up:
had 5 kills in a B5N vulching a runway (dropped eggs on the runway)
had 5 kills in a D3A furballing.

Worse plane for me? A6M2 - if the wind gusts the wrong way it catches fire, I never managed to score more than 5, same for the spitfire 1 - unless I am facing extreme early war, I'd rather fly a Hurri 1.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Getback on July 27, 2015, 03:48:18 PM
For me, A8, what a brick. Yet I see folks landing many kills in them.

I really really like to see them high.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Beefcake on July 27, 2015, 05:50:56 PM
The worst fighter plane for me has got to be the B25C, that old girl handles like a brick in wet cement. But regardless I still love her.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zoney on July 27, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
For me, A8, what a brick. Yet I see folks landing many kills in them.

I really really like to see them high.

JG11 quite regularly flys them on squad night and with a wingman they can be very effective.  I have also seen Stampf time and time again in the weeds killing everything near him.  If shes loaded up with the 2 30's and 2 20's it only takes one shot to take your enemy out.

She's a wonderful bomber killer too.  Very effective at 25k and below.  When I'm hunting bombers in her I cruise around (slowly) at 27k and search for something to come within my visual range.  She's a fat girl but she sure is pretty !
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: SPKmes on July 27, 2015, 07:11:10 PM
It has to be the P51 or 190... They never seem to stick around to fight so there must be something to it  :P
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: save on July 28, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
I do not know about the p51, but the 190A8/F8 driver just have to land on another base to turn it around to keep on fighting with the other plane :cool:

It has to be the P51 or 190... They never seem to stick around to fight so there must be something to it  :P
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: bozon on July 28, 2015, 05:57:32 AM
Who dared to bad mouth the SBD?
Not only it is a great Fighter, it is also one of the coolest planes in history. So what if it can't roll to the right. Or climb. Or run. And have a short clip for its pair of fifties. And the rear gunners arc of fire is completely blocked by the tail. Not that it matters because all he has are two 303 caliber pistols.

It is as tough as a goat and smells like one too. It will turn with any plane in the game as long as it does not have to point the nose above the horizon. No plane can keep with an SBD in a vertical dive - keep from overshooting it that is, once you pull out the dive breaks. It is hilarious to see them try though.

Best part is the spit pilots have no idea what is an SBD, so they all slow down and try to beat it in a turn...

P40C? Pffff.... the SBD kicks its ass.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 28, 2015, 06:05:36 AM
SBD is a dive bomber so its not in the discussion but its a fun plane to dog fight with, as u say the dive flaps add some interesting features.
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22600000/Great-Planes-great-planes-22668339-904-608.jpg)

just beyond awesomeness.

SBD:s did fly rather aggressivly aginst Zekes in WW2, it was a better defence than rely on the rear gunner
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: bozon on July 28, 2015, 07:34:13 AM
In my eyes the SBD pilots were the real heroes of the PTO.
As much as I love the hellcat, those guys had it easy. SBD could not climb so well due to the weight of the brass in the pilots balls.
Title: Re: What is the worst fighter plane in Aces High?
Post by: Zimme83 on July 28, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
The SBD is definitly the unsung hero of the PTO, their efforts at Midway pretty much turned the tide of the war in the Pacific.