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Post by: craz07 on July 27, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
who is the best athlete in the world today... simple easy question, just back it up with some fact..
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Post by: Scherf on July 27, 2015, 10:31:39 PM
Bruce Jenner.
Oh, wait...
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Post by: Meatwad on July 27, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Best real athlete or best steroid athlete?
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Post by: icepac on July 27, 2015, 10:32:52 PM
Check back on his pedigree........especially the one that goes through "mr. prospector" and the one that goes through secretariat.
If you trace back far enough, you will find many crosses of st. simon which, of course, leads to pocahontas who is likely the most important part of many long runner's lineage.
If you trace all the way, you will see many crosses of "regulus" and "eclipse" though the "stormcat' in his recent lineage has historically been a recipe of "big name, small performance".
A very important horse in his pedigree is "sampson" as well as "hautboy" back in the 1600s.
Great pedigree for stamina, size, and ability to build muscle.
With proper training and peaking....................
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Post by: zack1234 on July 28, 2015, 01:24:24 AM
The six million dollor man
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Post by: Swoop on July 28, 2015, 03:23:33 AM
Valentino Rossi.
And the fact I back it up with is......he's Valentino Rossi.
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Post by: Scherf on July 28, 2015, 05:28:06 AM
Hey man, Chuck Norris did a six-minute lap of the Nurburgring.
On foot.
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 07:52:01 AM
bruce jenner lmao
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Post by: Zoney on July 28, 2015, 08:49:39 AM
And the fact I back it up with is......he's Valentino Rossi.
Seconded
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 09:22:56 AM
valentino's been dominant for a while now.. i still think cristiano ronaldo is the best pure athlete, although he didn't do well at the world cup he still is considered the best in the world, you're not going to take the ball off him unless the stars are aligned and a comet is expected too, he'll beat you to every 50 50 balll, he'll win over you everytime, ok maybe not everytime, but usually, thats what makes him great, however, the world cup exposed the portuguese players that are not in the same vein as ronaldo, that don't play up to par like ronaldo, but thats ok there's always the next one....
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Post by: Swoop on July 28, 2015, 11:24:35 AM
Ronaldo is 30 and at the top of a sport that, in my not so humble opinion, is for soft nancies who like falling over a lot and crying until the referee awards a penalty.
Rossi is 36 and is at the very top (ie currently leading the world championship, and that's a real world championship, not an American world championship) of a sport that riders compete in with broken bones regularly. Rossi has been at the top of this sport for....what is it now, 15 years?
If Ronaldo is still considered #1 in the world when he's 36, with no signs of slowing down, then I'll consider him as a pretender to Rossi's throne......unless Rossi is still around at 42.
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
rude to what the game is about and know he hasn't been a top it for 15 years he went through a dry time when he wasnt winning the champioship like hayden and stoner were so he's not perfect either.....
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Post by: Zoney on July 28, 2015, 11:34:18 AM
Rossi is also an athlete in a sport where you must continually improve or be left behind. You must also learn how to use new equipment every year. You have to change how you play when some young whippersnapper takes everyone up to the next level with an improvement in technique.
Physically the sport is as demanding as any of the top sports out there. And it is a sport where you must push past the limits of your equipment and risk a grave injury to find the new limits every year.
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 11:38:09 AM
at least ronaldo can run i wonder if valentino can do that???
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Post by: Muzzy on July 28, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
Batman.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 28, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Serena Williams.
4 grand slam wins in a row with a 40-1 record this year.
She might be a women. But tennis aint easy and you have to win all by yourself.
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 12:32:43 PM
serena williams is not as good as roger federer.. so it doesnt count
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 28, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
serena williams is not as good as roger federer.. so it doesnt count
Funny thing is, Roger federrer is 33 and still #2 in the world. But he is just too old now. Djokavic is taking names. But he still don't got the rep yet like nadal or Fed.
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Post by: Triton28 on July 28, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
LeBron James springs to mind. 6'8, 260ish with the speed and hands that many point guards would like to have. I'd think his athletic talents would transfer pretty well to just about any other sport.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on July 28, 2015, 01:04:33 PM
Ron Jeremy. No explanation necessary (or appropriate).
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Post by: Zoney on July 28, 2015, 02:20:02 PM
LeBron James springs to mind. 6'8, 260ish with the speed and hands that many point guards would like to have. I'd think his athletic talents would transfer pretty well to just about any other sport.
I agree, LeBron James is a great athlete. His talents would absolutely not transfer to the World MotoGP Motorcycle Championship. He is too big to effectively use the bodywork of the bike to aid in the aerodynamics necessary for high speed, and motorcycle racing has physics that equates to 4 pounds per horsepower. For every 4 pounds heavier you and/or your machine is than your competitor you need 1 more horsepower to equal out that increase in weight. Even this does not factor in the extra wear the extra weight creates on the tires which degrade quickly as the race goes on.
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Post by: Triton28 on July 28, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
I agree, LeBron James is a great athlete. His talents would absolutely not transfer to the World MotoGP Motorcycle Championship. He is too big to effectively use the bodywork of the bike to aid in the aerodynamics necessary for high speed, and motorcycle racing has physics that equates to 4 pounds per horsepower. For every 4 pounds heavier you and/or your machine is than your competitor you need 1 more horsepower to equal out that increase in weight. Even this does not factor in the extra wear the extra weight creates on the tires which degrade quickly as the race goes on.
Well yeah. He wouldn't be a very good horse racing jockey either, but with apologies to any jockeys we have in AH, I don't really consider them athletes... at least not in the classic sense of the word. I know the sports world has gotten very PC in the last 15 years, but not everyone that competes in a sport is an athlete, IMO.
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Post by: morfiend on July 28, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
at least ronaldo can run i wonder if valentino can do that???
I would bet that Rossi runs 5 to 15 miles everyday! Plus he has to weight train and anaerobic exercises just to stay in condition. As others have said he must continually adapt to changes,not just every year but often from race to race.
The most fit athletes are usually motocross riders,boxers and footballers{soccer},I would add motoGP riders with the motocrossers.
My vote would be Fred Couples......... :devil
:salute
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Post by: Muzzy on July 28, 2015, 02:53:23 PM
That's one of the problems about judging who is best, because it's a lot like apples and oranges. The parameters that make one a successful basketball player don't necessarily translate to other sports. A lot of it is even reliant on body type.
I think one interesting contest is the Ninja Warrior obstacle course, because it tests strength, agility, and short term endurance. But then again, some of the athletes you've mentioned wouldn't get out of stage one, because the course requires some skills, like grip strength, that they don't have. But the course doest test long-term stamina, like soccer or distance running
There are other activities, such as stuntmen, dancing,, parcour, and the like, that require tremendous athleticsm. There were arguments that Rudolph Nereyev was the best athlete of his time.
One name that should be on this list is Bo Jackson, who played simultaneously the NFL and the MLB, and was an all-star at both.
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Post by: eagl on July 28, 2015, 03:16:42 PM
Ron Jeremy. No explanation necessary (or appropriate).
:rofl
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Post by: RotBaron on July 28, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
What's up Craz07
I would have said something in the other thread, already said enough there and for whatever reason that dude singled me out...I suppose it could have been me singling him out :rofl
Soon we'll have a fresh season, although I think you guys have dominated for too long, it sure was nice to see the Patriots make Richard Sherman cry; priceless
I know nothing about soccer or motocross sports its seems is being discussed here, but I think Chuck Norris & Christy Brinkley win everything still. :cheers:
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
the brady bunch can't lose, deflated balls, inflated balls, don't matter he is the best
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Post by: Zoney on July 28, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
Yep, just like Lance Armstrong............err.................wait
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Post by: craz07 on July 28, 2015, 04:58:38 PM
armstrong and his balls of gold... god bless
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Post by: Oyabun on July 28, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
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Post by: icepac on July 28, 2015, 08:07:31 PM
Arnold worked out in some of the same places Bruce Jenner did when preparing for the olympics and has said that Jenner was freakishly strong for his size.
That said.............I have to go with this guy.
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Post by: zack1234 on July 29, 2015, 01:29:33 AM
All professional athletes are mercenarys who do it for coin :old:
No problem with that but they are not embued with any insight into world events or superior behaviour.
Same goes for actors.
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Post by: Scherf on July 29, 2015, 05:35:32 AM
The question was "best", not "bravest" or "most heroic". Get it straight! Er... I mean... nevermind I guess.
:rofl
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 10:24:57 AM
you could make an argument for mario gotze the german that scored the final goal in the world cup, hey he got it done when it counted didn't he? And yes Lebron is an awesome athlete but is he athletic as a soccer player I doubt it. Dunking a ball when your 6'8" and doing a bicycle kick for a goal off a crossing pass are very different athletic skills....
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 11:21:37 AM
you could make an argument for mario gotze the german that scored the final goal in the world cup, hey he got it done when it counted didn't he? And yes Lebron is an awesome athlete but is he athletic as a soccer player I doubt it. Dunking a ball when your 6'8" and doing a bicycle kick for a goal off a crossing pass are very different athletic skills....
I have no idea if he could bicycle kick a soccer ball or not, but he'd be an outstanding goalie I bet.
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 11:23:11 AM
That i agree with 100 percent, goalies tend to be taller larger individuals... the closest to Lebron that has been out on the field that I know of is Peter Crouch from England.. he's listed at 6'7" and he's seen limited success even with the height advantage.... he played forward
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 11:48:44 AM
That i agree with 100 percent ... the closest to Lebron that has been out on the field that I know of is Peter Crouch from England.. he's listed at 6'7" and he's seen limited success even with the height advantage....
I guess the way I see you question is could the athlete in question be retrained to excel at other sports, thus showcasing his natural talents. A soccer coach that lights a fire under a 9 year old LeBron James is going to have a less difficult time making him into a top notch soccer player than a basketball coach is making Peter Crouch an NBA all-star.
At any rate, I'll take Greatest Athlete of All Time for $1100, Alex. Who is Bo Jackson. Even LeBron's physical skills look paltry compared to a man that not only played, but excelled at two pretty different professional sports.
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 11:54:37 AM
True true give credit where it is due, Bo Jackson was abnormally athletic but we're talking current best athlete not past athletes. And that is completely false false false about being trained to be an athletic star while young, Peter Crouch could have very well been groomed to be the next Larry Bird if he really wanted to.. please don't go around spreading anymore false information, you should do less betting and more thinking reality....
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Post by: Muzzy on July 29, 2015, 03:06:33 PM
But what are the parameters? I'd be looking at:
Strength: raw physical power Stamina: energy over the long haul. Agility: quickness, speed. Intelligence: ability to choose the right course of action while under pressure.
Other qualities like leadership, individual achievement, etc: are helpful to look at, but if you're going to discuss different sports it helps to judge each contestant by the same standards.
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 03:16:35 PM
True true give credit where it is due, Bo Jackson was abnormally athletic but we're talking current best athlete not past athletes. And that is completely false false false about being trained to be an athletic star while young, Peter Crouch could have very well been groomed to be the next Larry Bird if he really wanted to.. please don't go around spreading anymore false information, you should do less betting and more thinking reality....
lol... you admitted LeBron would be an outstanding goalie, know he's already the greatest basketball player on the planet, should know he'd have likely gotten a full ride to Ohio State in football had he chosen that sport, and you're telling me to stick to reality after speculating your boy Peter Crouch could have been Larry Bird? C'mon maaaaan.
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 03:24:21 PM
i have to say to you the same, c'maaaaan man because because neither you or I know what Peter Crouch could have been had he played another sport, he was 6'7" how many 6'7" soccer players do you see out there, he would of found a better fit on the basketball court where his size would be more of an advantage, c'maaan you just don't have a clue so why play mr. negative..... Crouch was actually a world class player, and played for the English National team... was he outstanding no... but who's to say he wouldn't have been playing another sport, especially one that rewards height like no other...
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
i have to say to you the same, c'maaaaan man because because neither you or I know what Peter Crouch could have been had he played another sport, he was 6'7" how many 6'7" soccer players do you see out there, he would of found a better fit on the basketball court where his size would be more of an advantage, c'maaan you just don't have a clue so why play mr. negative.....
Edit - Just tell me how Peter Crouch compares favorably to LeBron's skillset and/or athletic pedigree. I'll wait.
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
I never said Peter Crouch was the best athlete i said Cristiano Ronaldo was... do i think he could play basketball, if started off young yes, football, same, if started off young yes.. i think he could play any position but not goalie like Lebron would play on the soccer field....
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 05:14:43 PM
And Peter Crouch could've played like a Larry Bird how am I or you supposed to know... he only played soccer which he played with the national team... tell me for sure this guy is not an athlete and you know he would be nothing on the basketball court... you can't so argument over..
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
why can't Crouch do the same is all i ask you, your alll about pictures you'll never get it... what of it i see two men in uniforms
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
And Crouch could do things with his feet that Lebron couldn't do with his hands but thats ok you go on living in your fantasy world - and again Crouch was merely a comparison to Lebron's height, I once again state that the best athlete all around is Cristiano Ronaldo
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Post by: icepac on July 29, 2015, 08:21:32 PM
True true give credit where it is due, Bo Jackson was abnormally athletic but we're talking current best athlete not past athletes.
The best athlete is a past athlete.
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Post by: craz07 on July 29, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
athletes come and go we're talking here and now....
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Post by: Triton28 on July 29, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
My seven year old said the top picture looked like a beaver with really skinny legs... lol.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 29, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
Personally, I feel like soccer players are overrated and tennis is underrated.
Mental strength, physical endurance, no team work, no coach to ask, its mono y mono do or die.
Also, people like Anderson Silva who train for months on a fight, only to get brutally beat up and risk of death.
I think Travis Pastrana is a pretty badass athlete in motor sports.
That guy I mentioned doing the 50 triathlons in 50 states and 50 days, who isn't doing this for money, is also something to admire.
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 08:31:07 AM
Some people are to busy admiring Lebron in order for any logical brain activity to take place
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Post by: Triton28 on July 30, 2015, 08:36:15 AM
Ok. Peter Crouch.. :rofl
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 09:10:12 AM
you like to twist things thats for sure
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
You just used the wrong photos thats all... (http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y333/jon_smith15/Cristiano-Ronaldo-Bicycle-Kick_goal_zps7ln9ahj6.jpg) (http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y333/jon_smith15/untitled_zpsu2cadznf.png) and thats THE Chandler Parsons dunking on Lebron, so much for being the best athlete
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Post by: Triton28 on July 30, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Cuz I'm teh only one that thinks so.. :banana:
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“I’ve been around a lot of great receivers,” ex-Green Bay Packers safety Mark Murphy, who was a defensive coordinator at St. Vincent-St. Mary High when James was there, told ESPN in 2009. “I tell people that I rate my top receivers -- coaching, playing, or watching, as James Lofton, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, and LeBron James.”
Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr: "Can you find another one? Maybe American Pharoah? (Laughing). No, I think I said when I was a broadcaster with TNT, I think I might have made the comment that he's arguably the best athlete that any of us have ever seen in terms of size and speed and strength. I mean, he's a force. We know that."
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 30, 2015, 10:19:42 AM
Right, but how many of these athletes can play 9 matches in a row, 3-5 sets every time, close to 2-5 hours per match, never leaving the game, never coached, and have to be more consistent than the guy on the other side who is also a professional.
I think Roger Federrer and Serena Williams blow these soccer players out of the water.
The basketball championships are pretty long and brutal though, I do have respect for that. But they take breaks, get coached, and use teamwork so, you are only as good as your team is.
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 10:34:38 AM
Hmm an NBA coach talking about the leagues best player... How about the Ballon dor awarded to the best player in the world all leagues all competition
You saw the former NFL safety who coached LeBron in high school listing him as one of the top 5 best receivers he's ever seen, right? I mean he mentioned Jerry Rice ffs. Do you know who Jerry Rice is? Speaking of, I submit to you he's a better athlete at 52 years old than Peter Crouch is right now. :)
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Post by: Krupinski on July 30, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Tell us of his athletic exploits outside of soccer.
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
why should I he is the master of the most athletic sport on the planet, he doesnt need to do two sports, he's won championships with different clubs he's won the Ballon Dor twice, why waste your time on another sport when your completely dominating one...
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 04:44:51 PM
I see Lebron with his legs soaking in ice water after basketball games... he'd probably be on a stretcher after a soccer game... try running 5 to 10 miles in cleats tell me how you feel after..
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 30, 2015, 05:54:59 PM
You got Roger Federer who has won 17 grandslams, has made it to 26 finals of grand slams, won wimbledon 7 times, is arugeabley the most mentally sound athlete in the world, and is currently still #2 in the world at the age of 33. In one of the most competitive sports in which doesn't involve teamwork or coaching. A soccer match is only 90 minutes long. Gland slam matches are pure sprints for 3-5 sets, most lasting 2-4 hours, and then have to play 9 other matches in 2 weeks Vs harder opponents. I just don't see how a soccer player could compare.
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Post by: craz07 on July 30, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
they wipe their face after every break in play, if you factor in all that time i wonder how much "sprint" their actually doing at the end of the day
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Post by: Triton28 on July 30, 2015, 07:32:08 PM
Soccer players get long breaks when one of the more dramatic ones fakes a severed spine and flops on the ground before walking off under his own power. Although to be fair I've never seen your boy Peter Crouch or Ronaldo do that.
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Post by: craz07 on July 31, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
Peter Crouch is not my boy, I singled him out because he is the same height as Lebron and played international soccer, and never say someone can't do something because the way they look, if you ask me I wonder how the guy played international soccer but he did cuz he was good enough. Who's to say he wouldn't be even better on the basketball court.
And in soccer you don't get free throws, so if someone is going to be dogging you the whole game the ref's got to know about it.
And Cristiano is my boy because he dominates a more athletic sport than Lebron
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Post by: craz07 on July 31, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Cristiano has more scoring titles than Lionel Messi so I consider him the better individual player
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Post by: morfiend on July 31, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
Greatest athlete was Jim Thrope!
Played several sports and competed in track and field in the Olympics.
Had his medals taken away because he made a couple bucks playing football.
:salute
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Post by: craz07 on July 31, 2015, 11:46:56 AM
lol....
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Post by: craz07 on July 31, 2015, 12:09:37 PM
Can't we just agree that bruce jenner was the man literally....