General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Serenity on August 08, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Title: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 08, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
So, after I posted in the Bruce Genner thread, I got a PM from a member here asking about my personal experience with trans girls. I responded honestly, and kept it to that. But my facebook feed today was graced with yet another trans girl murdered. I've never hidden my experiences (All of my friends know, my family, and anyone who really feels the need to ask) but I haven't felt the need to blast it on the internet until now.
But I wanted to share a bit of my experience and perspective, because while it may be absolutely nothing, it may also make some random person a bit more understanding, and who knows what that could do down the line. So, my copy-pasted response to the original PM is this:
"Actually, the magic number is two. I was a little shy to talk about it at first, but then I realized I'm a scotch-drinking, gun carrying, motorcycle riding Navy pilot, and I've yet to meet a man who deserved to question my masculinity lol. The first I met on Cruise in San Diego when I was 19. We met out at a Hookah lounge, started talking, exchanged numbers, and the next day she invited me to her place. Without knowing I went over, things turned into "things" lol, and I found out the hard way lol. By that point, I felt like I was committed, but she was still hot, so I kinda psyched myself up to the point I could go through with it. Turned out I had fun, we kept texting, and kinda talked long-distance for the next year while I was back in Texas. She flew out a few times to see me, but I learned she snored like CRAZY! lol, so I was about to break it off anyway, when one of my late nights alone with the internet led me to an odd corner... in which I found her. Working as a prostitute. So that kinda put the nail in the coffin, and I ended it there. Went back to dating genetic females, nothing exciting. And then Junior year, I met another attractive girl while I was at work, exchanged numbers, again, she invited me to her place, but this time she told me ahead of time. Well, she was cute, and I really enjoyed talking to her, I figured hell, I've done it before, I can do it again, right? Well, we continued to see each other for several weeks, and then months, and then the REAL question came up: It's one thing to sleep with a transexual. Actually dating one is another story. (DADT hadn't yet been repealed I don't think either, and I was already Navy). But, the honest fact is, I fell head-over-heels for the girl, I was in love, and I said "diddly it, I'm in!" We dated for the next three years, she moved out here to pensacola with me. That move was a real rough patch for us though, and, long-story short, we broke up, but she's the love of my life and I'm still trying to win her back lol.
I don't have any pictures of the second girl, (The breakup was nasty, and everything got deleted. I REALLY regret that, lol.)
The first one though, who turned out to be a prostitute? This is her website: [REDACTED] You can find her on facebook as [REDACTED], I think. If you dig far enough back in her timeline, around 2011/12 you'll find the pictures of us together in Texas.
Trans girls stick together, so I met quite a few who were there friends in this time period, and it's important to realize there are different levels. A cross-dresser or a drag queen are NOT transexuals, and it's a key difference. These two were truly transexuals, who lived 100% of the time as female, looked, sounded, acted and identified only as female, which made it much easier to see them as just any other woman with an odd birth-defect lol."
So, a little bit of a deeper perspective. Again, dating that girl for three years, living with her for two of them, and going through things both with her family and mine were a very eye-opening experience. The first thing to realize is, these women are just that: women. While genetically, that may not be the case, they see themselves as absolutely female. They act the part, look the part, and it runs to the core. The hardest struggle with my ex was the fact that even after having started her transition 6 years before I met her, her family still called her by her birth name and male pronouns. It tore her heart up every single time. Beyond that, there are subtle differences between men and women, they way they act socially, the way they think... Imagine trying to tell if someone was male or female, based on nothing but a conversation, without pronouns, without pictures, names, etc. The honest fact is, you'd probably figure it out at least 90% of the time, because of the nuances of the female psyche. And a transgendered girl will fool you every single time, because they posses all of those same feminine features right down to the wiring of their brain and how it works.
Additionally, while the concept of a "trap" is popular on the internet, that first girl was the only one I've ever met, out of dozens (Various friends and acquaintances of my ex) who was ever not 100% clear about things from the get-go. If a girl is trans, she's probably going to tell you, and not just out of etiquette and honesty, but because her life may depend on it.
I had this conversation with my own family when I told them about the girl I was dating, and even they didn't get it. To this day, my dad still makes gay jokes. Fortunately, they're accepting, and my mom has definitely come around, but this isn't some sick game to anyone involved. This is a human life, truly struggling just to continue existing.
I don't really know where I was going with this beyond just trying to share a little bit of perspective. It kills me to see the kind of hate and intolerance that is out there, but even worse is watching the death tole rise as nice girls are killed just for trying to be themselves.
I am a straight man, and the love of my life is transgendered.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Skyyr on August 08, 2015, 04:57:21 PM
oh. my.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: MrKrabs on August 08, 2015, 05:03:06 PM
THAT thought process is exactly the thing I'm trying to fight.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: guncrasher on August 08, 2015, 05:18:17 PM
screw what everybody else says. you are in love, go for it. I am not ghey, or into trnaswhatever. but my best friend in high school was ghey. have worked with many people of different genders and it all comes down to being in love. I dated a white girl and me being brown, I was looked at being so wrong. so screwwee them, you do your own thing and if it makes you happy then stick with it.
semp
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: 68ZooM on August 08, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
I had this conversation with my own family when I told them about the girl I was dating, and even they didn't get it. To this day, my dad still makes gay jokes. Fortunately, they're accepting, and my mom has definitely come around, but this isn't some sick game to anyone involved. This is a human life, truly struggling just to continue existing.
I grew up in what I considered to be a tolerant family. That was many many years ago. While we were taught to condone same sex couples, it never included Trans. It wasn’t until my girls grow up that they taught me be accepting of any person/couple.
I’m not sure I would have said the following 10 – 15 years ago; But I am with guncrasher and mbailey, the heck with whatever others say, if you guys love (or loved I guess I should say) each other, then keep doing your own thing.
(Just to be clear as to were I have came from, the definition of condone is: accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue. or: approve or sanction (something), especially with reluctance.)
Great Story.
:salute :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 08, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
And here I was thinking I actually knew what it felt like to be sick.
Oh boy was I wrong... sooooooooooo wrong......... [burp]
Help...
(Just poking fun mind you, though it did actually make me throw up.)
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: caldera on August 08, 2015, 07:58:53 PM
Love whoever you want, but acting and dressing as a girl doesn't make you one. All the operations in the world and he's still a he.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 08, 2015, 08:25:19 PM
Serenity you rock. Your balls must drag behind you on the floor when you walk, to make a post like that on this bbs.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BaldEagl on August 08, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
Why is it that those who aren't straight are always the ones trying to push their agenda on others?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 08, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
Why is it that those who aren't straight are always the ones trying to push their agenda on others?
Funny you should say that. I'm completely straight, and the only "agenda" I have to push is to say "Let's take a moment to understand and respect our fellow human beings who may be in situations we don't agree with or comprehend".
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 08, 2015, 08:34:48 PM
Let's take a moment to understand and respect our fellow human beings who may be in situations we don't agree with or comprehend".
I think the issue here is the you don't need to be telling us (here at the BBS) that because we don't generally go around killing people, no matter who or what they are.
Even with that said though, it doesn't mean we need to respect those people who make dumb choices.
In case it's not clear, let them make their choice and just stay away from them.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 08, 2015, 08:36:47 PM
Serenity you rock. Your balls must drag behind you on the floor when you walk, to make a post like that on this bbs.
lol thank you? I honestly don't think that much of it. I've been here so long, you people have almost literally watched me grow up! I know there are going to be a LOT of people who don't like or respect what I have to say, but those are not the kind of people I want in my life anyway. I just know that I had my own eyes opened by these women, and if I can help to open someone else's, I'll have paid the gift forward! I'm very thankful I was able to give that second girl the chance that I did, as I'm really struggling to re imagine my life without her.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 08, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
Why is it that those who aren't straight are always the ones trying to push their agenda on others?
Probably beacuse straight people are trying to push their agenta on non straight people...
Its about changing norms, its just the same as non white people pushing whites to give them equal rights. Now non straights are pushing straights to get equal rights, and they have all the right to do so.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 09, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
Ive never been "pushed" to conform to a gay, straight, black, white or trans-species agenda.
lol thank you? I honestly don't think that much of it. I've been here so long, you people have almost literally watched me grow up! I know there are going to be a LOT of people who don't like or respect what I have to say, but those are not the kind of people I want in my life anyway. I just know that I had my own eyes opened by these women, and if I can help to open someone else's, I'll have paid the gift forward! I'm very thankful I was able to give that second girl the chance that I did, as I'm really struggling to re imagine my life without her.
Ballsy post kid. Hats off to you. And yes I've literally watched you grow up on here. I'm personally proud of how far you've come and how far you're going.
If you love someone then good for you. To me it doesn't matter who you're with or what you're attracted to it's who you are as a man. My best friend in the REAL world is a hard core atheist. Yet he's kinder, more honorable, and more charitable, than 99% of the 'Christians' I know. One of me 'adopted kids' is a flaming homosexual. Still a good man who works hard and honors his commitments. So you do your thing man and props to ya.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 09, 2015, 06:15:43 AM
Boy, way to take a deep sentiment and really thin it out into some terrible stereotype and cheapen an otherwise rich experience...
Lol Didn't mean to rain on the parade but honestly your on the internet, my vague insensitiveity is far from the worse you'll hear on this particular subject
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 09, 2015, 07:16:17 AM
Ballsy post kid. Hats off to you. And yes I've literally watched you grow up on here. I'm personally proud of how far you've come and how far you're going.
Thanks Dichotomy. That really does mean a whole lot to me.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: zack1234 on August 09, 2015, 07:26:24 AM
Serenity you rock. Your balls must drag behind you on the floor when you walk, to make a post like that on this bbs.
This... and, with all due respect... I have to get a certain "Aerosmith" tune out of my head. :rock
X :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Ripsnort on August 09, 2015, 09:16:26 AM
This could be the most epic thread ever in the history of AH OT. :)
I'm trying to understand the psychology behind speaking out publically of one's preferences.
I believe it comes down to one of two things; convince a group to see more than just 'the painting' or releasing one's feelings to a large audience to gain acceptance.
Each of us is a unique individual with unique preferences. We're all literally "one in a million" shots from a biological POV.
I also believe that in 99.9% of our sexual preferences are nurtured or learned behavior, not natural.
With that said....make the most out of your lives, we're all very lucky to have been born on planet earth. Live and let live.
What one person things is insane is not that insane to someone else.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 09, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
full twig and berries? or something else :headscratch:
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: zack1234 on August 09, 2015, 09:37:13 AM
What is a gender bender?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Coalcat1 on August 09, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
This... and, with all due respect... I have to get a certain "Aerosmith" tune out of my head. :rock
X :salute
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=acQ6jLe3R8E (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=acQ6jLe3R8E) And to Serenety, that took a helluva set to post here. I believe Pred summed it up earlier. :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 09, 2015, 09:44:39 AM
i still got love for you serenity either way, just my personal preference is woman, don't let me act all high and mighty over you, we've all had our personal experiences when we were younger or older, no one can tell you how to feel, if you're genuinely attracted to this person than you are, what can you say
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 09, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
This could be the most epic thread ever in the history of AH OT. :)
What one person things is insane is not that insane to someone else.
Agreed. I was literally 'retired' from relationships when I stumbled across Julie (my girl now) and there's a pretty good sized age gap. It took some of my family and hers to get over it at first. My real life friends shrugged and said 'well that figures'. But she treats me very very well better, in fact, than anyone has eve treated me. We laugh all of the time about one of our conversations early on. I asked her what attracted her to me. She said 'I just liked the way everybody looked up to and listened to you and decided I wanted to be important to you'. I replied 'well you got the bonus plan'. We're happy and we aren't hurting anyone that's all I expect out of other people.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on August 09, 2015, 12:54:56 PM
If you are asking me if you are homosexual ... yes. If you are asking me if I care ... nope. Posting on this red blooded raw meat eating board ... courageous balls. :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: NatCigg on August 09, 2015, 01:06:31 PM
:O
A old boos of mine once shared a timeless perspective. "There are only two ways you can judge a man. by his work and his word"
now where is that beer. :cheers:
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 09, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
Don't know you, Don't care what you do in the privacy of your home. Don't need to judge you, that's done already. But please don't try to justify it or "help us to understand", I can't and I wont, but again its your life do as you wish. You have to deal with the consequences of your decision, as each of us do.
For those with Christian background, Homosexuality is wrong, and one of the few sins punishable by death (in the Old Testament) , But so was Adultery, Fornication, and taking the Lords name in vain. We are all sinners and can only be saved by Grace of God.
There lock this thread.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 09, 2015, 02:46:43 PM
Don't know you, Don't care what you do in the privacy of your home. Don't need to judge you, that's done already. But please don't try to justify it or "help us to understand", I can't and I wont, but again its your life do as you wish. You have to deal with the consequences of your decision, as each of us do.
For those with Christian background, Homosexuality is wrong, and one of the few sins punishable by death (in the Old Testament) , But so was Adultery, Fornication, and taking the Lords name in vain. We are all sinners and can only be saved by Grace of God.
There lock this thread.
Said it much better than I did.
1st Corinthians 6:9,10;13-20
Also check out: Romans 1:18-32
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: bustr on August 09, 2015, 02:59:30 PM
There is nothing brave about telling a forum full of complete and anonymous strangers a story like this anonymously. The more salient question, is why the OP needs to "anonymously" if he is as secure in his choice as he emphasizes.
One rarely has a conversation like this in front of his mother.......
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Coalcat1 on August 09, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
I never have, nor will I ever, understand persecuting or discriminating against someone because a religion tells you to do so. Also, in!
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: danny76 on August 09, 2015, 03:08:01 PM
Funny you should say that. I'm completely straight, and the only "agenda" I have to push is to say "Let's take a moment to understand and respect our fellow human beings who may be in situations we don't agree with or comprehend".
Good for you man :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Zimme83 on August 09, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
Don't know you, Don't care what you do in the privacy of your home. Don't need to judge you, that's done already. But please don't try to justify it or "help us to understand", I can't and I wont, but again its your life do as you wish. You have to deal with the consequences of your decision, as each of us do.
For those with Christian background, Homosexuality is wrong, and one of the few sins punishable by death (in the Old Testament) , But so was Adultery, Fornication, and taking the Lords name in vain. We are all sinners and can only be saved by Grace of God.
There lock this thread.
And for those of us that thinks that is just fairytales its no big deal, and most of us wants to live our life in our own way. Without having religious crackpots telling us whats right and wrong.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 09, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Guys, if it looks like a woman, talks like a woman and walks like a woman, he's not gay for being attracted to "her".
+1. And If a guy is attracted to a woman before he finds out that she was a guy before, then he sould be able to be attracted to her after he finds out too...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 09, 2015, 04:00:11 PM
+1. And If a guy is attracted to a woman before he finds out that she was a guy before, then he sould be able to be attracted to her after he finds out too...
we all just want to be happy thats correct zimme
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 09, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
Do ask, Do tell.
Whatever anyone thinks of the OP and his post, he WAS asked by a community member to specifically clarify earlier remarks. All he's done is answer.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 09, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
There is nothing brave about telling a forum full of complete and anonymous strangers a story like this anonymously. The more salient question, is why the OP needs to "anonymously" if he is as secure in his choice as he emphasizes.
One rarely has a conversation like this in front of his mother.......
This is hardly anonymous. As I said, and dichotomy affirmed, many of you here know me better than the people I work with every day. I've met many of you, I've never his my name or who I am. I'm not trying to appear brave, but I think to say I'm making some anonymous confession couldn't be farther from the truth.
And additionally, it IS a conversation I've had with my mother. My parents both know her well, and stood beside her putting my shoulder boards on at my commissioning.
Well, if you're implying I should be put to death, step right up and take your shot.
That being said, you believe this thread should be locked just because it doesn't agree with your beliefs? So, my freedom of speech shouldn't be upheld, but your freedom of religion should?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Coalcat1 on August 09, 2015, 04:42:02 PM
You're right. The Bible does not tell us to persecute anyone.
No, but people have used religion as justification to kill, torture, and oppress people and still do so today. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Estes on August 09, 2015, 04:45:21 PM
I've always wondered how the religious folk can jump on the "gays the devil!!" bandwagon, when in that same book that they hold up when they yell at gays, it tells you to stone your unruly children and all kinds of other immoral crap.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 09, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
I've always wondered how the religious folk can jump on the "gays the devil!!" bandwagon, when in that same book that they hold up when they yell at gays, it tells you to stone your unruly children and all kinds of other immoral crap.
I'd always expected an old man making that quote
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Vulcan on August 09, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
I also believe that in 99.9% of our sexual preferences are nurtured or learned behavior, not natural.
Rip studies have shown that men are wired to 'respond' to visual stimulus of other mens junk. The response is supposed to be a competitive response to encourage continuity of genes. But like anything in nature how heavily that response is varies - if the wiring of the response is to strong the competitive response becomes and an attraction. This reaction is not just limited to the simply physical reaction, but to sperm production as well ( http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2005/06/08/1386177.htm ).
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 09, 2015, 05:13:17 PM
Rip studies have shown that men are wired to 'respond' to visual stimulus of other mens junk. The response is supposed to be a competitive response to encourage continuity of genes. But like anything in nature how heavily that response is varies - if the wiring of the response is to strong the competitive response becomes and an attraction. This reaction is not just limited to the simply physical reaction, but to sperm production as well ( http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2005/06/08/1386177.htm ).
Wow, that's a fascinating bit of information! Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Triton28 on August 09, 2015, 05:25:50 PM
I think this is a massive troll, but just in case it's not... How did you psych yourself up after seeing the first girl and her man part and still consider yourself straight? That's what most people would call a deal breaker. I suppose one could give you props for being easy to get along with though... lol.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 09, 2015, 05:28:21 PM
I think this is a massive troll, but just in case it's not... How did you psych yourself up after seeing the first girl and her man part and still consider yourself straight? That's what most people would call a deal breaker. I suppose one could give you props for being easy to get along with though... lol.
Not a troll lol. Completely legit. How did I psych it up? She had a gorgeous face lol. Just don't look below the waist and let her work her magic lol
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 09, 2015, 05:36:30 PM
Not a troll lol. Completely legit. How did I psych it up? She had a gorgeous face and a great rack lol. Just don't look below the waist and let her work her magic lol
man you and triton are psychopaths..
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 09, 2015, 05:43:54 PM
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 09, 2015, 05:53:25 PM
The core of the issue is the question: What makes a person a woman? It is just the plumbing? If you think so then you have a very shallow materialistic/objectifying view of women. If you think there is more to a woman than just her plumbing the question becomes: What part of a woman is the most important/defining?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Skyyr on August 09, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
Not a troll lol. Completely legit. How did I psych it up? She had a gorgeous face and a great rack lol. Just don't look below the waist and let her work her magic lol
So she wasn't truly transgender?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 09, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
The core of the issue is the question: What makes a person a woman? It is just the plumbing? If you think so then you have a very shallow materialistic/objectifying view of women. If you think there is more to a woman than just her plumbing the question becomes: What part of a woman is the most important/defining?
good question :headscratch: having a child
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Thor on August 09, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
This is hardly anonymous. As I said, and dichotomy affirmed, many of you here know me better than the people I work with every day. I've met many of you, I've never his my name or who I am. I'm not trying to appear brave, but I think to say I'm making some anonymous confession couldn't be farther from the truth.
And additionally, it IS a conversation I've had with my mother. My parents both know her well, and stood beside her putting my shoulder boards on at my commissioning.
Well, if you're implying I should be put to death, step right up and take your shot.
That being said, you believe this thread should be locked just because it doesn't agree with your beliefs? So, my freedom of speech shouldn't be upheld, but your freedom of religion should?
Well, you should've expected the religious cracks to chime in. Not surprised they posted something to get the thread locked. It's the ones that haven't chimed in that will likely have hit the Report to Moderator tab, though it wouldn't surprise me if the ones that did post here, did it as well.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 09, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
No, but people have used religion as justification to kill, torture, and oppress people and still do so today. I'll leave it at that.
Once again you are right, and those people were/are wrong.
Always question them. If they refuse to answer then you've just found out what kind of people they are. A good Christian will always be happy to answer, or to find out if they don't know.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 09, 2015, 07:12:41 PM
My place of work actually lost a suit that involved a Trans-Women(Often referred to as Pre-OP) who was using the womens locker room despite having male sex organs.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SysError on August 09, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
Well, you should've expected the religious cracks to chime in. Not surprised they posted something to get the thread locked. It's the ones that haven't chimed in that will likely have hit the Report to Moderator tab, though it wouldn't surprise me if the ones that did post here, did it as well.
Oh I certainly expect it, but it's one thing to disagree, it's another to make comments about people being put to death and trying to get a thread locked because of their pathetic fear of something they disagree with.
Again, anyone of the "put them to death" persuasion is welcome to step up and take their shot at me, but you better not miss...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: guncrasher on August 09, 2015, 07:30:55 PM
my ex girlfriend never had a child. lots of women, cant or havent had. if you go with xy chromosomes then you better learn about the exceptions. bottom line is there's no way to identify a man/woman except him/herself.
semp
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: bustr on August 09, 2015, 08:20:57 PM
Well, at least it has a nice sounding name and primarily occurs with males: Paraphilia
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Delirium on August 09, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
Regardless of how I feel about the transgender discussion, I have to give Serenity some major kudos for making a stand and following through to accept it.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 09, 2015, 11:36:31 PM
Rise like a... noodle?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BaldEagl on August 10, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Funny you should say that. I'm completely straight, and the only "agenda" I have to push is to say "Let's take a moment to understand and respect our fellow human beings who may be in situations we don't agree with or comprehend".
What I mean is why does there have to be an LGBT Pride day but no heterosexual pride day? Why are there "flaming gays" but not flaming heterosexuals?
Males and females exist through most species in order to propagate the species. Very few species have the ability to change sex in order to ensure propagation. Of those that can, humans are not one.
I'm not a religious person but I see this as simply being against the natural order of things. Despite the fact I work with various gays and lesbians and that one of my nieces (through marriage) is a lesbian it's a life choice I don't have to agree with. That doesn't mean I don't comprehend it. I can even co-exist with it but I don't need it flaunted. How about I live my life and you live yours?
I also don't agree with plastic surgery (even breast augmentation) for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 05:27:01 AM
my ex girlfriend never had a child. lots of women, cant or havent had. if you go with xy chromosomes then you better learn about the exceptions. bottom line is there's no way to identify a man/woman except him/herself.
semp
I got 'fixed' after my son was born. Julie doesn't want children EVER. I guess I'm not a man and she's not a woman. Good to know right? ;)
In regards to the gay is an abomination argument I can say I used to be in that camp. I believed everything I had been indoctrinated with as a child. But, over time, I've learned to accept people for what kind of person they are instead of what they believe or practice. My best real life friend is a hard core atheist. Yet, when I was down so low I had to ask for help, he came through for me in spades. He's a moral, intelligent, and loyal, friend and a much better person than a lot of 'Christians' I know. It is not for me to judge people that's Gods job. I've always thought that living your beliefs would do a whole lot more good for them than trying to shove them down somebodys throat or shunning them because they don't share yours.
Like I said earlier I've known Serenity for, jeez what kid, almost 10 years? And ya he has stepped on his crank a time or two in the forum. So have I. But I've watched that squeaker grow into a fine young man that is contributing to society not taking from it. Just like several other 'squeakers' I've seen grow up here. I'd take sides with him against a herd of religious blowhards any day of the week.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: mechanic on August 10, 2015, 07:41:43 AM
Balls of steel OP. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about it. Honesty to yourself is far more important than honesty to others and you seem to have both attributes nailed pretty well. Carry on.
Although, I don't think any of us here needed to be involved in this part of your life. I hope you don't live to regret this very public display.
Suggesting that anyone else should care about one's sexual preferences is a little self absorbed. There may be forums that do cater to this kind of personal eruption. This forum is definitely not one of those.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: mbailey on August 10, 2015, 09:08:21 AM
Like I said earlier I've known Serenity for, jeez what kid, almost 10 years? And ya he has stepped on his crank a time or two in the forum. So have I. But I've watched that squeaker grow into a fine young man that is contributing to society not taking from it. Just like several other 'squeakers' I've seen grow up here. I'd take sides with him against a herd of religious blowhards any day of the week.
Agreed, doesn't get much better, and id be right next to ya Dicho :aok
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: fbEagle on August 10, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
What I mean is why does there have to be an LGBT Pride day but no heterosexual pride day?
Because heterosexuals aren't being discriminated against. When was the last time somebody beat up a straight guy for being straight? That is why we don't have heterosexual pride parades. We don't need them. As a straight man i feel perfectly comfortable walking down the street holding hands with a girl.
To Serenity, Kick arse man. :cheers: Nobody should tell you what you should find attractive and nobody has the right to judge you for any choices in your personal life that you make. ESPECIALLY the religious nutters. Straight, gay, bi, or trans, as long as your happy who is anyone to judge you. Hell my last girlfriend was BI and i met some of her friends, which included a couple transgender dudes. They were damn cool and a blast to hang out with. And yeah if she hadn't told me they were "packing" I would have never guessed lol.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 11:06:20 AM
Like I said earlier I've known Serenity for, jeez what kid, almost 10 years? And ya he has stepped on his crank a time or two in the forum. So have I. But I've watched that squeaker grow into a fine young man that is contributing to society not taking from it. Just like several other 'squeakers' I've seen grow up here. I'd take sides with him against a herd of religious blowhards any day of the week.
Thanks dichotomy. That really means a lot. I actually teared up a bit lol.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: zack1234 on August 10, 2015, 11:08:05 AM
Well, at least it has a nice sounding name and primarily occurs with males: Paraphilia
Your use of the term Paraphilia here just didn’t ring true, or perhaps appropriate, in my mind. I know that starting in the 1970s the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) started using clinical research to remove behaviors such as homosexuality as a mental disorder. I was pretty sure that by now that they had defined LGBT in light of clinical research, and not societal biases.
“To be diagnosed with a paraphilic disorder, DSM-5 requires that people with these interests:
• Feel personal distress about their interest, not merely distress resulting from society’s disapproval;
Or
• Have a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress, injury, or death, or a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons or persons unable to give legal consent.”
As relating to your comment “Transvestic disorder” might seem to be the best fit within the term, however;
“…transvestic disorder, which identifies people who are sexually aroused by dressing as the opposite sex but who experience significant distress or impairment in their lives—socially or occupationally… “ and “..individuals must experience significant distress or impairment because of their behavior.“
Based on the above, I do not think that the OP’s behavior can be classified as falling within the clinical definition of paraphilia.
If the OP has “significant distress or impairment” ,which he doesn’t seem to express, I think that you could apply the term here. But that is not the case. He seems more comfortable than some people I know.
There seems to be a sense that is expressed by some that the OP is “unnatural” or not quite right in the head and bad for society.
During my googleing I came across the following behaviors that I believe are “unnatural” or wrong:
Sex with: • Non-human objects • The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner • Children • Non-consenting persons
(Sorry lost the ref link)
With the obvious exceptions that most should be able to apply to the first bullet "Non-human objects", I think that these four bullets might cover all that is sexually "unnatural"
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: bustr on August 10, 2015, 12:47:40 PM
Got that from Wikipedia did you? The APA voting body in 1973 became dominated by very colorful individuals. I expect eventually they will find a way to vote heteronormalcy the largest mental disorder by population, 98.7 versus 1.3 of 350 million. Kind of like you can finesse twitter, facebook, and any online poll not requiring human keyboard input, with 15 dummy accounts, into showing millions agree with something. Rigging the outcomes still doesn't make you right, just willing to screw 98.7 percent out of being normal.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 01:02:42 PM
Because heterosexuals aren't being discriminated against. When was the last time somebody beat up a straight guy for being straight? That is why we don't have heterosexual pride parades. We don't need them. As a straight man i feel perfectly comfortable walking down the street holding hands with a girl.
To Serenity, Kick arse man. :cheers: Nobody should tell you what you should find attractive and nobody has the right to judge you for any choices in your personal life that you make. ESPECIALLY the religious nutters. Straight, gay, bi, or trans, as long as your happy who is anyone to judge you. Hell my last girlfriend was BI and i met some of her friends, which included a couple transgender dudes. They were damn cool and a blast to hang out with. And yeah if she hadn't told me they were "packing" I would have never guessed lol.
This thread exemplifies the endless parade of societal decay.
Elaborate please.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
Just read the thread, it speaks VOLUMES supporting my point.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Changeup on August 10, 2015, 03:31:39 PM
Serenity
While you showed some courage posting this, in the end it's a look-at-me thread.
Discretion is the better part of valor and in the posting of this thread, you showed zero.
Edit: I'm certain your girlfriend wouldn't be happy about you publically posting about her doing her "business". If she IS ok with it, that's a different problem altogether.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
Just read the thread, it speaks VOLUMES supporting my point.
While I am far from the most intelligent person that posts on this board I am also far from ignorant or stupid. I'd like to see / hear your point of view a bit further from a pair of cryptic posts.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 03:43:58 PM
While I am far from the most intelligent person that posts on this board I am also far from ignorant or stupid. I'd like to see / hear your point of view a bit further from a pair of cryptic posts.
nothing cryptic - READ IT.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
this is a click on watch on youtube video
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Zimme83 on August 10, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
It was necessary when considering the amount of homophobia that is on the board and in the game.
Allowing people to be different is a sign of development, open and democratic societies tends to be more tolerate than others.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Lusche on August 10, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
(http://oi33.tinypic.com/2ymt6b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 03:55:41 PM
standin on top of the world hey baby!!! for a little while
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SysError on August 10, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 10, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
Agree with Changeup - while it must have taken courage, it's also a bad idea. I agree with him and his reasons, but have another one I've been thinking about.
Three of the candidates in the debates the other night said if they won they would use executive action, one of the leaders in the polls said "on day one of his presidency", to "UNDO" all of what they considered to be "illegal actions" performed by the government under the current administration. What if that includes don't ask don't tell? I realize it stands as a stretch to think that it could be put back into that box, but in these times, NOTHING any politician does would surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. What happens to you then, if DoD says "we're back to don't ask don't tell", but you're already been asked, and you answered? Cargo planes full of rubber dogdoo out of Hong Kong can't be nearly as fun as Top Gun.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
I got to give it to gman with what ya have ya've burned a funny in a funnny bone
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Zimme83 on August 10, 2015, 04:11:31 PM
That is a very bad reason. Better then to accept that a persons ability to serve his /hers country isnt dependable on the sexual orientation of said person. Its a bitt "funny" that u have freedom only if u choose to live the right way...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 04:14:18 PM
It was necessary when considering the amount of homophobia that is on the board and in the game.
Allowing people to be different is a sign of development, open and democratic societies tends to be more tolerate than others.
Language lesson: Phobia indicates a fear, the word phobia is misused by those who wish to tag someone as unreasonable or without reason. In this instance being repulsed by abhorrent, perverse BEHAVIOR is not a phobia.
Allowing someone who chooses to self-mutilate their bodies and deny the scientific fact that their chromosomes spell out definitively just to be 'accepting or tolerant' requires one to completely divorce oneself from the truth of the situation. The use of phrases like "I was born this way" to excuse perverse behavior is merely a tool used to try to excuse themselves and others from the accountability of the deviant behavior.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
i was born this way doesnt account
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 04:16:58 PM
I have read sir. I'm failing to see your point. Please be patient as I've had a very long day filled with designing, customer calls, making strategic plans for entering into a new market for my company.
You obviously have an opinion do, please, clarify it for me.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 04:19:12 PM
I believe that I have done so.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: JOACH1M on August 10, 2015, 04:19:43 PM
Language lesson: Phobia indicates a fear, the word phobia is misused by those who wish to tag someone as unreasonable or without reason. In this instance being repulsed by abhorrent, perverse BEHAVIOR is not a phobia.
Allowing someone who chooses to self-mutilate their bodies and deny the scientific fact that their chromosomes spell out definitively just to be 'accepting or tolerant' requires one to completely divorce oneself from the truth of the situation. The use of phrases like "I was born this way" to excuse perverse behavior is merely a tool used to try to excuse themselves and others from the accountability of the deviant behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Pretty much u... Everything u express is an opinion. your opinion. There is nothing in there that says u are right in any way.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
It was necessary when considering the amount of homophobia that is on the board and in the game.
Allowing people to be different is a sign of development, open and democratic societies tends to be more tolerate than others.
Newbie here...
I don't see anyone preventing anyone from being different in this thread. In less open societies the op would be hunted down and have his head literally removed from his body for these revelations. A little public shaming is good; it slows the moral decay of society. Hopefully we can see the difference shaming and execution...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: JOACH1M on August 10, 2015, 04:22:59 PM
I don't see anyone preventing anyone from being different in this thread. In less open societies the op would be hunted down and have his head literally removed from his body for these revelations. A little public shaming is good; it slows the moral decay of society. Hopefully we can see the difference shaming and execution...
So what u are saying is that the different between u an ISIS is that u only condemn... What about all those that get beaten up for being gay...?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
Hopes dashed... We're in big trouble here.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: JOACH1M on August 10, 2015, 04:26:52 PM
But in all seriousness, it took a lot to come out and say something like this, showing you stand for what you believe in. Hats off to you, it's not my preference by any means, but there is someone out there for everyone I guess.
:confused: :salute :bolt:
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 04:27:33 PM
That is a very bad reason. Better then to accept that a persons ability to serve his /hers country isnt dependable on the sexual orientation of said person. Its a bitt "funny" that u have freedom only if u choose to live the right way...
Zimm,
Believe what you choose and that goes for Serenity as well. He has the freedom to say what he wants. Some of us have given reasons why we believe he used poor value judgement, used no discretion and did so with very little maturity.
Gman is more than right. He has tens of thousands of cases of precedence on his side that something public like this never goes away. Bad call kid.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Zimme83 on August 10, 2015, 04:34:36 PM
Believe what you choose and that goes for Serenity as well. He has the freedom to say what he wants. Some of us have given reasons why we believe he used poor value judgement, used no discretion and did so with very little maturity.
Gman is more than right. He has tens of thousands of cases of precedence on his side that something public like this never goes away. Bad call kid.
Point is that then its better to help him keeping his rights than tell him to not telling anyone. U have to choose side here too.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BaldEagl on August 10, 2015, 04:42:56 PM
I was born this way implies that gay, lesbian, bi and trans-gender sexual orientation is hereditary. If that were the case and since same sex couples can't reproduce, such orientations would have been cleansed from the gene pool ages ago.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 04:49:31 PM
hey what
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 10, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
See Rule #6
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 04:59:33 PM
He has tens of thousands of cases of precedence on his side that something public like this never goes away. Bad call kid.
Stand behind me, or kindly stand in front of me. I think it's more than significant that thousands and thousands of gay, bisexual, transgendered, etc. individuals have laid their lives on the line in service to their nation. I can only hope that come voting time, people realize that these individuals are willing to DIE for your right to call them an abomination. Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't make it your life goal to take away their rights.
I was born this way implies that gay, lesbian, bi and trans-gender sexual orientation is hereditary. If that were the case and since same sex couples can't reproduce, such orientations would have been cleansed from the gene pool ages ago.
Well, the fact that we have an entire LIST of animals in nature which exhibit clear homosexual tendencies, despite not having culture or whatever else you may chose to blame... I think that is the nail in the coffin on whether things are natural or forced.
Don't get me wrong. There are many individuals in this thread who respectfully disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine! It's your right, I don't mind it, hell I fight for your right to think I'm wrong! But be respectful. The only responses I've actually made a direct comment to are those who feel the need to get personal and insulting, or imply death. To that I say, why do you feel the need to spew hate and anger at people who have done absolutely nothing to hurt you? What kind of evil seeks out innocent individuals to make them suffer who have done you no harm? Ask yourselves, you who consider yourselves speaking out of righteousness, is that kind of hate what it is you feel your faith preaches?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Lusche on August 10, 2015, 05:03:18 PM
I was born this way implies that gay, lesbian, bi and trans-gender sexual orientation is hereditary. If that were the case and since same sex couples can't reproduce, such orientations would have been cleansed from the gene pool ages ago.
That would be a rather simplistic interpretation of biology, not keeping account for things like Dominance or mutations (and more). ;)
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: 68ZooM on August 10, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
For a group that speaks out about wanting tolerance but if you disagree with them they will lash out at you and call you intolerant. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 05:09:15 PM
For a group that speaks out about wanting tolerance but if you disagree with them they will lash out at you and call you intolerant. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Actually zoom, you've chosen to cherry pick the arguments quite often. When has anyone in this thread been lashed out at for simply saying "I disagree"? Not once. Now, those who want to throw insults, calling people and abomination, and talking about putting people to death... you feel that THAT doesn't merit a response?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Bear76 on August 10, 2015, 05:11:53 PM
Actually zoom, you've chosen to cherry pick the arguments quite often. When has anyone in this thread been lashed out at for simply saying "I disagree"? Not once. Now, those who want to throw insults, calling people and abomination, and talking about putting people to death... you feel that THAT doesn't merit a response?
I am NOT talking about anyone in this thread if I was I would say people in this thread, I'm talking about out in the real world not this made up Internet Society we call the BBS.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BaldEagl on August 10, 2015, 05:14:59 PM
Don't get me wrong. There are many individuals in this thread who respectfully disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine! It's your right, I don't mind it, hell I fight for your right to think I'm wrong! But be respectful. The only responses I've actually made a direct comment to are those who feel the need to get personal and insulting, or imply death. To that I say, why do you feel the need to spew hate and anger at people who have done absolutely nothing to hurt you? What kind of evil seeks out innocent individuals to make them suffer who have done you no harm? Ask yourselves, you who consider yourselves speaking out of righteousness, is that kind of hate what it is you feel your faith preaches?
I've been nothing but respectful in this thread. I disagree with you and have stated my reasons for disagreeing.
Please show me exactly where I've been personal, insulting or implied death. Please show me where I've spewed hate and anger. What innocent individuals have I made to suffer?
At this point the only one I see attacking anyone else is you attacking me for disagreeing with you.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 05:22:23 PM
I've been nothing but respectful in this thread. I disagree with you and have stated my reasons for disagreeing.
Please show me exactly where I've been personal, insulting or implied death. Please show me where I've spewed hate and anger. What innocent individuals have I made to suffer?
At this point the only one I see attacking anyone else is you attacking me for disagreeing with you.
Firstly, at what point did I attack you? I only countered your point about homosexuality in nature.
Perhaps I should have ordered those paragraphs differently, that last one was not directed at you, it was directed at the likes of Mr. what's-his-name and kind.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 05:23:35 PM
Don't get me wrong. There are many individuals in this thread who respectfully disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine! It's your right, I don't mind it, hell I fight for your right to think I'm wrong! But be respectful. The only responses I've actually made a direct comment to are those who feel the need to get personal and insulting, or imply death. To that I say, why do you feel the need to spew hate and anger at people who have done absolutely nothing to hurt you? What kind of evil seeks out innocent individuals to make them suffer who have done you no harm? Ask yourselves, you who consider yourselves speaking out of righteousness, is that kind of hate what it is you feel your faith preaches?
Indeed
and ya I might lose 'friends' or 'respect' on this board for having Serenitys back on this subject. If that's the case so be it.
It is not my place to judge someone. It is my place to accept people as they are and be as good to them as I can possibly be.
Make no mistake I can be a jerk. I just generally choose not to be.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 05:25:03 PM
I am NOT talking about anyone in this thread if I was I would say people in this thread, I'm talking about out in the real world not this made up Internet Society we call the BBS.
Even "in the wild" so to speak, the cry of intolerance isn't directed at those who say "I disagree, but to each his own". The screams of intolerance are aimed at those who try to take away the rights, freedoms and liberties of the LGBT community. You want to talk tolerance and equality? When have you heard of someone being beaten for being straight? Denied service at a restaurant? Having to fear for their lives?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Fury on August 10, 2015, 05:26:39 PM
Quote
I am a straight man
No, you're not. You should embrace your homosexuality, you do the LGBT group a great dis-service by pretending you're living in the 1950s.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
What would you do if your son loped his cock off in the name of his happiness? Just curious.
If he wasn't already under a qualified psychiatrists care for deviant tendencies, I'd truly consider my parental efforts to be substandard because I would have allowed such thoughts to fester and grow in his mind.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Slash27 on August 10, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Actually zoom, you've chosen to cherry pick the arguments quite often. When has anyone in this thread been lashed out at for simply saying "I disagree"? Not once. Now, those who want to throw insults, calling people and abomination, and talking about putting people to death... you feel that THAT doesn't merit a response?
Who called for you to be put to death?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 05:37:49 PM
Not only do monkeys engage on homosexual activities but they also throw poo at each other. I suppose that is perfectly acceptable too?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
If he wasn't already under a qualified psychiatrists care for deviant tendencies, I'd truly consider my parental efforts to be substandard because I would have allowed such thoughts to fester and grow in his mind.
So now you can control another sentient beings mind and emotions? Neat trick.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Fury on August 10, 2015, 05:46:39 PM
So now you can control another sentient beings mind and emotions? Neat trick.
If they are considering mutilating their body, denying the facts that even their chromosomes scream out, that person is no longer sentient and in touch with reality.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 10, 2015, 05:57:20 PM
If they are considering mutilating their body, denying the facts that even their chromosomes scream out, that person is no longer sentient and in touch with reality.
Just like the person making this argument.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 10, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
Let me ask you then, are you able to present any evidence from a reputable research institute that sexual orientation is in fact determined by genetics or is that just the argument you are using to try and save face?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: ariansworld on August 10, 2015, 06:20:49 PM
Well, I say I am a straight man attracted to women, you counter with "No, you're gay", I'm saying I think I know what I am better than you do.
Tell me again how a man with his junk cut off is a woman? As far as I am concerned it is a shim and there is no way that you can call yourself straight at all. Quit pretending.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 06:21:22 PM
What does an XY chromosome indicate?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 06:21:49 PM
Let me ask you then, are you able to present any evidence from a reputable research institute that sexual orientation is in fact determined by genetics or is that just the argument you are using to try and save face?
Ahh... The classic appeal to authority. How quaint.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
Tell me again how a man with his junk cut off is a woman? As far as I am concerned it is a shim and there is no way that you can call yourself straight at all. Quit pretending.
QFT
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
Well, I say I am a straight man attracted to women, you counter with "No, you're gay", I'm saying I think I know what I am better than you do.
I'm confused. Did I misinterpret your OP comments? You are attracted to a male of the species who is pretending to be a female.
I am saying you should stop kidding yourself and embrace your homosexuality, this is not the 1950s when we needed to hide in the closet and be afraid.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
quiite a phrnomomon
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Rollins on August 10, 2015, 06:34:18 PM
Tell you one thing, the cartoon about this Serenity attention story is gonna be waaaayyy better than the one about the 'pineapples beat me up but I almost butt-crack knifed them' tall tale he made up. And that set the BS bar pretty damn high.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 06:36:51 PM
:rofl Rollins
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
Language lesson: Phobia indicates a fear, the word phobia is misused by those who wish to tag someone as unreasonable or without reason. In this instance being repulsed by abhorrent, perverse BEHAVIOR is not a phobia.
Allowing someone who chooses to self-mutilate their bodies and deny the scientific fact that their chromosomes spell out definitively just to be 'accepting or tolerant' requires one to completely divorce oneself from the truth of the situation. The use of phrases like "I was born this way" to excuse perverse behavior is merely a tool used to try to excuse themselves and others from the accountability of the deviant behavior.
Brother,
I used to think the way you do. Life has taught me to respectfully disagree. I do hope, that some day in the future, you open your mind to lifestyles that differ from yours.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 06:46:41 PM
We can still respectfully disagree. I don't have to divorce myself from hard, unchanging facts to stand my ground. Sometimes the truth hurts when you run afoul of it. Allowing others to live in denial of simple biological and psychological facts is harmful to the person you allow to live in a state of altered reality - as well as society at large - just because you don't want to offend them.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
If they are considering mutilating their body, denying the facts that even their chromosomes scream out, that person is no longer sentient and in touch with reality.
Sorry man we're just going to have to agree to disagree. While I would never even remotely consider doing that I would not condemn someone for making that choice. I'll let you into my world a little bit. My son asks me a lot about his big decisions and my response is always 'you're a grown man. Do what you think is best for YOU' 'If you feel that way then go for it'. Thus far it has had nothing to do with his sexuality and I used to joke that if he came to me and said 'dad I'm a homosexual' I'd shoot him and swear he was defective. But I've grown up. It is NOT my place to shove my beliefs down anybody elses throats. It is MY job to live my life in accordance with my moral code. Shunning people for beliefs that are different from yours simply alienates them and causes groups to polarize against each other instead of trying to find a way to peacefully coexist.
Now I can't play this game anymore and that sucks. But we're all brought together playing a video game that interests us. This game is about 'killing' the other guy. But, to me at least, and more importantly it brings people from all over the world with different perspectives together and, for the most part, we get along.
To be frank I'd rather have a gay or transgender friend I can trust than a heterosexual one I can't. I take people for who they are and how they act not for their sexual preferences. The funny thing is we've taken this from a post or two about a young man that has had two transgender partners to divvying up the lines between 'gay' or 'straight'.
I could give a R#% F#%@ less if Serenity is gay or straight. It's not my business. The way I see a man is how he acts in society. Is he respectful? Does he pay his bills on time? Is he kind to the weak and needy? Does he act with honor and kindness?
I'll tell you this and I'll stand by it. I've seen this young man step on his crank more than once and accept what was thrown at him. Anybody on any social media site is going to step on their crank occasionally. I haven't seen many that could take the bashing that he has done, learned from it, and moved on with lessons learned.
So I could give a d#%N less what he does or does not do in his personal life and I can assure you I'd invite him to stop by and crash at my place for a weekend or so a heck of a lot faster than I would some pious, judgmental, jerk, who thinks his or her vision of 'morality' is superior.
I'm not God. It's not my job to 'judge' anybody and, in 51 years of my life on this earth, I've never so much as received an application for the position from God. So I'm figuring he's got that covered.
Subsequently I fall back on 'do unto others as you would have done unto you'. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and some of them are heinous. Yet my TRUE friends both straight, gay, religious, and atheists, have been there for me when I ran face first into a wall.
My rant will not change your mind and I accept that but I hope we can depart this conversation with mutual respect.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: mbailey on August 10, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Sometimes the truth hurts when you run afoul of it. Allowing others to live in denial of simple biological and psychological facts is harmful to the person you allow to live in a state of altered reality
That's BS In this instance It's in no way harmful. And this so called "truth" your speaking of is in no way any type of truth, it's opinion. Yours.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SysError on August 10, 2015, 07:11:06 PM
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
I am certainly not God, his job is to judge, condemn and punish as necessary - not mine. I can however judge behavior and character. We do this every day from credit checks to background and reference checks. If I find someone's behavior abhorrent, I keep myself and family as far away from them as possible. It is your right and duty to do so.
I, like you, am 51 years old and I DO NOT mistreat anyone, at any time but I also am aware of what I bring in to my own environment or those close to me. I control that completely. Just like you, I decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
Agree with Changeup - while it must have taken courage, it's also a bad idea. I agree with him and his reasons, but have another one I've been thinking about.
Three of the candidates in the debates the other night said if they won they would use executive action, one of the leaders in the polls said "on day one of his presidency", to "UNDO" all of what they considered to be "illegal actions" performed by the government under the current administration. What if that includes don't ask don't tell? I realize it stands as a stretch to think that it could be put back into that box, but in these times, NOTHING any politician does would surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. What happens to you then, if DoD says "we're back to don't ask don't tell", but you're already been asked, and you answered? Cargo planes full of rubber dogdoo out of Hong Kong can't be nearly as fun as Top Gun.
they said they'd undo all of the illegal eo's. but..........is there a precedent set for that? or an act of congress to allow it? 'cause all eo's take their authority from one of those 2 sources. the illegal ones technically speaking have no authority.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: sparky127 on August 10, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Serenity.... You didn't happen to met her in a club in Soho, did you?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 07:50:31 PM
Serenity.... You didn't happen to met her in a club in Soho, did you?
Is that where they drink champagne that tastes just like coke cola?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 10, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
To those who worry about what Serenity has posted here might affect his career, you must have missed him saying his transgender girlfriend being with him at his commissioning ceremony. I think that cat is out of the bag...
Also even if the reds take the White House they're going to have a hard time reversing the progress made for equality the last few years. After the recent Supreme Court rulings it probably would take a constitutional amendment.
As for the comments of Mr. Voldemort here, I have yet to meet a person who isn't a pervert in one way or another. Before pointing fingers people should consider their own sexual habits and how much of it is strictly biologically necessary. Many Christians are against contraception for that very reason, which I think is absurd.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: guncrasher on August 10, 2015, 08:21:22 PM
It still means that is strongly the exception - even IF all of those diagnoses are correct.
you want to prove that xx/xy defines a man or a woman but ignore the fact that millions do not fit this description and when you include the the whole world then it's a crap load of people.
so what do you call them?
semp
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 08:24:22 PM
you want to prove that xx/xy defines a man or a woman but ignore the fact that millions do not fit this description and when you include the the whole world then it's a crap load of people.
so what do you call them?
semp
You're being obtuse, sir.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: guncrasher on August 10, 2015, 08:27:28 PM
I have yet to meet a person who isn't a pervert in one way or another.
Indeed. And since we're baring our souls and I'm going to stand by Serenity in this situation I'll just go ahead and 'out' myself.
My fiancee is 20 years old. Yep that's a 31 year age difference. Most men would say 'way to go!!!' That's not why I fell in love with her and she dang sure didn't fall in love with me for financial security. I fell for her for her heart and her mind. Why she fell for me is still a mystery. Lots of people look down on us.
So, do, please while you're at it throw some darts at me for being a perv or a predator. Throw darts at her for being a gold digger and I'll laugh at you. I don't have any gold to dig.
I'll take those labels way before I'll accept being called a bigot or a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Dicho, Predator, mbaily, y'all are really some stand-up gentlemen. Thank you for showing me that there really are good folks still kicking!
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 10, 2015, 08:47:48 PM
Dicho, Predator, mbaily, y'all are really some stand-up gentlemen. Thank you for showing me that there really are good folks still kicking!
There's more than you know brother. You just keep your head up and do what you do. Personally I think you're doing just fine. DM me an I'll shoot you my email addy. I'd like to keep in touch.
Don't let other people tell you what it takes to be a man. That's a decision you have to make for yourself and, thus far, I think you've done a good job in the decision making process.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: USRanger on August 10, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Indeed. And since we're baring our souls and I'm going to stand by Serenity in this situation I'll just go ahead and 'out' myself.
My fiancee is 20 years old. Yep that's a 31 year age difference. Most men would say 'way to go!!!' That's not why I fell in love with her and she dang sure didn't fall in love with me for financial security. I fell for her for her heart and her mind. Why she fell for me is still a mystery. Lots of people look down on us.
So, do, please while you're at it throw some darts at me for being a perv or a predator. Throw darts at her for being a gold digger and I'll laugh at you. I don't have any gold to dig.
I'll take those labels way before I'll accept being called a bigot or a hypocrite.
I think we need to see some pictures to see if you are a perv. btw the pictures would be cooler if they were of her only :).
semp
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Ripsnort on August 10, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
This could be the most epic thread ever in the history of AH OT. :)
I'm trying to understand the psychology behind speaking out publically of one's preferences.
I believe it comes down to one of two things; convince a group to see more than just 'the painting' or releasing one's feelings to a large audience to gain acceptance.
Ah. So there it is. :aok
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: guncrasher on August 10, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
Indeed. And since we're baring our souls and I'm going to stand by Serenity in this situation I'll just go ahead and 'out' myself.
My fiancee is 20 years old. Yep that's a 31 year age difference. Most men would say 'way to go!!!' That's not why I fell in love with her and she dang sure didn't fall in love with me for financial security. I fell for her for her heart and her mind. Why she fell for me is still a mystery. Lots of people look down on us.
So, do, please while you're at it throw some darts at me for being a perv or a predator. Throw darts at her for being a gold digger and I'll laugh at you. I don't have any gold to dig.
I'll take those labels way before I'll accept being called a bigot or a hypocrite.
Dont take it to heart dicho i have family members who are my fathers age and they are married to women that are only 2 years older than me. Sure i thought it was odd at first, but they really do love and care about each other and share many interests and they are happy as they could ever be. :cheers: :aok :aok
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 10, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
Your an Idiot for posting that on here. Take that picture down.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: CAP1 on August 10, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
It's nice to see this thread didn't end up getting as nasty as I thought it would. :)
I would just like to clarify something about what this "being put to death" business Serenity keeps mentioning. I believe he has been referencing this quote:
Homosexuality is wrong, and one of the few sins punishable by death (in the Old Testament)
Note the part in bold. That was the Old Law, which has long since been fulfilled and done away with. Next time you see someone using religion as an excuse to persecute someone, ask them where it is written in the New Testament that tells them to do so. Don't ever accept a vague or half-answer, if something doesn't make sense ask them to clarify. In this case they won't be able to.
Questions? Ask! Otherwise, have a nice day. :)
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 10, 2015, 10:01:31 PM
Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't make it your life goal to take away their rights.
I never, ever mentioned taking away anyone's rights...you would be lying if you say I did.
I have many life goals thank you. It's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I would make any one of them about the topic of transsexual, sexual rights. You're getting target fixated.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
I never, ever mentioned taking away anyone's rights...you would be lying if you say I did.
I have many life goals thank you. It's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I would make any one of them about the topic of transsexual, sexual rights. You're getting target fixated.
True, you just implied that dating/caring for someone for who they are, not just the surface affects was a foolish and immature thing to do... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Changeup on August 10, 2015, 11:28:17 PM
True, you just implied that dating/caring for someone for who they are, not just the surface affects was a foolish and immature thing to do... :rolleyes:
That too is a lie. I said broadcasting it to the world on a public BBS in the manner you did was a poor value judgement and immature. Maybe you're confusing or mixing some posts together.
Edit: forgive me but this is all a bit confusing. You say you aren't gay but you date gay men, yes? To clarify, your girlfriends have male genitals and like men which makes them gay. I ask because you've not mentioned anywhere that any of them have transitioned physically.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: glzsqd on August 10, 2015, 11:34:13 PM
THREAD HIJACK!
Documentary about me
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 10, 2015, 11:49:12 PM
That too is a lie. I said broadcasting it to the world on a public BBS in the manner you did was a poor value judgement and immature. Maybe you're confusing or mixing some posts together.
Edit: forgive me but this is all a bit confusing. You say you aren't gay but you date gay men, yes? To clarify, your girlfriends have male genitals and like men which makes them gay. I ask because you've not mentioned anywhere that any of them have transitioned physically.
You miss the ENTIRE concept of transgendered. Individuals who not only appear, but identify, in every possible way, as female, are NOT gay men. And no, I'm not confusing them. While you didn't put a specific subject in your sentence, your implication was what i commented on.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Changeup on August 10, 2015, 11:58:27 PM
You miss the ENTIRE concept of transgendered. Individuals who not only appear, but identify, in every possible way, as female, are NOT gay men. And no, I'm not confusing them. While you didn't put a specific subject in your sentence, your implication was what i commented on.
So, it's conceivable that gay men could actually rationalize their gayness as normal because they really feel like they are a woman in every single way?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 10, 2015, 11:58:58 PM
You miss the ENTIRE concept of transgendered. Individuals who not only appear, but identify, in every possible way, as female, are NOT gay men. And no, I'm not confusing them. While you didn't put a specific subject in your sentence, your implication was what i commented on.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Scherf on August 11, 2015, 12:11:23 AM
This used to be a good thread. :salute to the OP.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BaldEagl on August 11, 2015, 12:14:49 AM
Time for a little comic relief:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmnNJsSdao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCtjZFlDXfg
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 11, 2015, 12:26:40 AM
The subject matter is apparently too mature for some people. Disappointing, but not unexpected.
I knew by the end of the first paragraph that this was going to be in no way a mature conversation. Some people are trying but, dude, pull my finger.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: phatzo on August 11, 2015, 01:23:29 AM
Dico, help us out here, there has been a small informal GHM competition. There have been quite a few entries with most going for full bush. There have been many other guesses including The Fuhrer's Moustache. TIA
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: zack1234 on August 11, 2015, 01:43:59 AM
Rip studies have shown that men are wired to 'respond' to visual stimulus of other mens junk. The response is supposed to be a competitive response to encourage continuity of genes. But like anything in nature how heavily that response is varies - if the wiring of the response is to strong the competitive response becomes and an attraction. This reaction is not just limited to the simply physical reaction, but to sperm production as well ( http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2005/06/08/1386177.htm ).
it must be true its on the interenet.
studies are nonsense.
and so is using more than 5 paragraphs
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 11, 2015, 03:15:35 AM
Dico, help us out here, there has been a small informal GHM competition. There have been quite a few entries with most going for full bush. There have been many other guesses including The Fuhrer's Moustache. TIA
:rofl :aok
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: NatCigg on August 11, 2015, 03:50:37 AM
its about the age of 20. you have known everything for a hwile now and your looking to put it all together. the truth is within reach and you can almost figure it out and save the world. and now we hit 30. the world is out there but it a pain in the butt to save and your wife needs 200$ for the day. the 20 year olds are still talking about the right path to choose and you can tell he just does not get it but you give him props for his effort and wish him well.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: ariansworld on August 11, 2015, 04:06:39 AM
You miss the ENTIRE concept of transgendered. Individuals who not only appear, but identify, in every possible way, as female, are NOT gay men. And no, I'm not confusing them. While you didn't put a specific subject in your sentence, your implication was what i commented on.
It makes you gay, remember your shim had a Peter that shim got chopped off at some point.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: mechanic on August 11, 2015, 05:52:25 AM
its about the age of 20. you have known everything for awhile now and your looking to put it all together. the truth is within reach and you can almost figure it out and save the world. and now we hit 30. the world is out there but it a pain in the butt to save and your wife needs 200$ for the day. the 20 year olds are still talking about the right path to choose and you can tell he just does not get it but you give him props for his effort and wish him well.
This is a worryingly perfect summary of life
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Threeup on August 11, 2015, 05:56:26 AM
I don't care what you do with who or to who, I just don't understand why you would post this in an online game forum? :O
This makes sense and it's a very good question. Everyone is trying to pretend to be war heroes 70 years after the event and this come along. It's neither right nor wrong, just irrelevant.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Thor on August 11, 2015, 06:13:04 AM
And Bear, like the rest of those who echo this question, know that this venue is totally inappropriate for personal, sexual, perspective and sexual experience-sharing. No offense to the OP but that's the difference between maturity (knowing the appropriate venue) and immaturity.
He quite simply could have typed this differently and received a much better, supportive response. He even admitted he knows how he wrote it would generate mixed feelings.
Good idea. Poor execution.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SysError on August 11, 2015, 06:51:40 AM
And Bear, like the rest of those who echo this question, know that this venue is totally inappropriate for personal, sexual, perspective and sexual experience-sharing. No offense to the OP but that's the difference between maturity (knowing the appropriate venue) and immaturity.
He quite simply could have typed this differently and received a much better, supportive response. He even admitted he knows how he wrote it would generate mixed feelings.
Good idea. Poor execution.
I think that you are wrong, it is a human rights issue.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BuckShot on August 11, 2015, 06:56:06 AM
"When I grow up, I want to be a principal or a caterpillar"
Ralph Wiggum
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mr No Name on August 11, 2015, 07:05:30 AM
Get your head around this. No one is crapping on Serenity. They are crapping on his choice.
PS - there are 5000X more kids starving to death in the U.S. than gays being killed. Let's prioritize please.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 11, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
Bigotry is ugly and wrong no matter what form it takes, and must be confronted at every opportunity. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil etc...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 08:37:57 AM
Just live and let live and punt this thread already
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Triton28 on August 11, 2015, 08:44:56 AM
Bigotry is ugly and wrong no matter what form it takes, and must be confronted at every opportunity. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil etc...
So intolerance, to you, is when someone disagrees with you on a sensitive subject? I can accept your view but still think it's wrong. It seems the issue only comes up when we talk about issues like this where everyone is falling all over themselves to appear very, very tolerant. To me, bigotry would be something along the lines of Skuzzy coming in and shutting the thread down not because it violated a rule, but because he doesn't like the transsexuals. That's intolerance. Expressing an opinion isn't bigotry.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Dichotomy on August 11, 2015, 08:57:38 AM
meh never mind
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: SysError on August 11, 2015, 09:12:23 AM
... this venue is totally inappropriate for personal, sexual, perspective and sexual experience-sharing. No offense to the OP but that's the difference between maturity (knowing the appropriate venue) and immaturity.
What you doing is framing the issue in some sort of sexual (and I suppose "unnatural") act(s) framework.
That is not what it is about.
It is about people who care and love each other.
That is appropriate.
When you view or frame the issue as some sort of sexual issue you end up with people wondering about "unnatural acts" and whether or not those people are going to have access to their daughter's bathroom in high school.
IMO his "choice" was fine.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 11, 2015, 09:36:21 AM
People are displaying and discussing all kinds of family related topics on this bbs. Everything from baby pics to kids getting married to Earl getting updated on the dating scene. This thread is nothing different...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 11, 2015, 09:47:41 AM
That depends on the opinion. If you express the opinion that black people are inferior and should not have relationships with whites, you are a bigot. If you express the opinion that gays are immoral and you don't approve of them having sexual relations, your are a bigot. If you express the opinion that Jews are filthy and should be killed you will be jailed in several countries for committing a hate crime.
Everyone has the right to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Fury on August 11, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
its about the age of 20. you have known everything for a hwile now and your looking to put it all together. the truth is within reach and you can almost figure it out and save the world. and now we hit 30. the world is out there but it a pain in the butt to save and your wife needs 200$ for the day. the 20 year olds are still talking about the right path to choose and you can tell he just does not get it but you give him props for his effort and wish him well.
Dude ... parenting words of wisdom right here. :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 10:19:45 AM
my cat triton's arse is incredibly ranc today can we discuss that instead?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Changeup on August 11, 2015, 10:27:43 AM
What you doing is framing the issue in some sort of sexual (and I suppose "unnatural") act(s) framework.
That is not what it is about.
It is about people who care and love each other.
That is appropriate.
When you view or frame the issue as some sort of sexual issue you end up with people wondering about "unnatural acts" and whether or not those people are going to have access to their daughter's bathroom in high school.
IMO his "choice" was fine.
He framed it sexually. Not me. I suggest you go back and reread the OP. As I clearly stated, he could have worded this in way that would have gotten all manner of support.
Now again I ask you to prioritize. 500 kids a day dying of starvation in the U.S. or 10 transsexuals being murdered every year (which is totally unacceptable as well). Please don't nibble on your answer. Please provide one.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Zimme83 on August 11, 2015, 10:30:27 AM
There are no reason for not working at those 2 issues simultaneously.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Skyyr on August 11, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
Well, despite what anyone says, I'd like to salute Serenity (and his partner, if they get back together) for having the cojones to come forward. Takes a lot of testosterone.
-=S=-
That being said, is this really an appropriate discussion for a game forum? Whatever happened to personal choices being personal choices and leaving them at that?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Hold on to your butts kids, this is gonna be a doozy!
We'll isn't that the reaction you were looking for?
No, not at all. The reaction I was looking for is "Maybe we shouldn't be hating a fellow human being who is having absolutely no effect on our personal lives". But I can see how, with the other people posting in this thread, it's hard to tell that there ARE posts on the internet that aren't trolls trying to pick a fight.
He quite simply could have typed this differently and received a much better, supportive response.
If you think I'm seeking your support for my decisions, you're a fool. People here can call names all they want, they can spew insults, and I'll read it, take a deep breath, climb on my motorcycle, ride over to an $8 million airplane and go burn holes in the sky upside down for a few hours and forget all about it. And the best part is THEY'LL be paying for it! :D
What I DO want is not to have to worry, every time my ex goes for a jog, or walks to the store, if she's going to make it home. What I want is for people to recognize that these individuals they are spewing acidic hate at are HUMANS, just like you, just attempting to live their lives, like you, and that respecting, appreciating, or at the bare minimum, NOT HATING them doesn't make you anything different than you already are. In fact, it shows that you have actually evolved your conscience to realize that even if everything isn't as YOU think it should be, it's okay to let people live their lives, unmolested (Verbally as well, not just physically) when their lives aren't directly affecting you.
This makes sense and it's a very good question. Everyone is trying to pretend to be war heroes 70 years after the event and this come along. It's neither right nor wrong, just irrelevant.
It's about as relevant as the Bruce Genner thread (As that's what originally got people PMing me, asking questions), it's as relevant as Earl's dating posts, shall I continue?
Now again I ask you to prioritize. 500 kids a day dying of starvation in the U.S. or 10 transsexuals being murdered every year (which is totally unacceptable as well). Please don't nibble on your answer. Please provide one.
Very simple. People are not starving because someone is choosing to FORCE them to starve. Transexuals are dieing because someone is making an active choice to pick up a weapon and end their life. There is a long train of events, and many individual and governmental issues leading to a starving individual. There is just one that leads to someone taking a weapon and ending someone's life. Is starvation important? Absolutely. Are there millions of problems to be handled in this nation? Yes. But the issue of people dieing from acts of violence I think is THE biggest issue in our society. And it's not just in the LGBT community. I chose to address that aspect, because it DOES personally affect me, and we have already seen the "White lives matter, black lives matter" bits recently. LGBT murders are no less significant than any other hate-based murder.
And that's the saddest thing about this whole post. I'm not asking for you or anyone else to validate my decisions. I'm VERY happy with my life. I'm not asking anyone to decide that they want to be with/be a transgendered individual. I'm not asking you to change your views on religion or the afterlife. All I'm asking is for people to recognize that maybe, as human beings, it's a little more important to stop hating and attacking (Verbally or physically) someone just because they don't share your views. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, if we started treating people based on their treatment of us, and not how WE think they should live their lives, we might not have those problems like starvation, and segregation. Compassion flows at all levels.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 11:04:38 AM
Serenity this is not the time or place.. this thread should end
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Triton28 on August 11, 2015, 11:12:14 AM
Everyone has the right to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.
To be more truthful, what you should have said was, "Everyone has a right to express their opinion on sensitive social issues, except if they disagree from my established politically correct answer, then they're a bigot".
You need to get out more if you think this thread is full of bigotry.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
triton you are just trolling this thread already give it up...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Changeup on August 11, 2015, 11:26:22 AM
Hold on to your butts kids, this is gonna be a doozy!
No, not at all. The reaction I was looking for is "Maybe we shouldn't be hating a fellow human being who is having absolutely no effect on our personal lives". But I can see how, with the other people posting in this thread, it's hard to tell that there ARE posts on the internet that aren't trolls trying to pick a fight.
If you think I'm seeking your support for my decisions, you're a fool. People here can call names all they want, they can spew insults, and I'll read it, take a deep breath, climb on my motorcycle, ride over to an $8 million airplane and go burn holes in the sky upside down for a few hours and forget all about it. And the best part is THEY'LL be paying for it! :D
What I DO want is not to have to worry, every time my ex goes for a jog, or walks to the store, if she's going to make it home. What I want is for people to recognize that these individuals they are spewing acidic hate at are HUMANS, just like you, just attempting to live their lives, like you, and that respecting, appreciating, or at the bare minimum, NOT HATING them doesn't make you anything different than you already are. In fact, it shows that you have actually evolved your conscience to realize that even if everything isn't as YOU think it should be, it's okay to let people live their lives, unmolested (Verbally as well, not just physically) when their lives aren't directly affecting you.
It's about as relevant as the Bruce Genner thread (As that's what originally got people PMing me, asking questions), it's as relevant as Earl's dating posts, shall I continue?
Very simple. People are not starving because someone is choosing to FORCE them to starve. Transexuals are dieing because someone is making an active choice to pick up a weapon and end their life. There is a long train of events, and many individual and governmental issues leading to a starving individual. There is just one that leads to someone taking a weapon and ending someone's life. Is starvation important? Absolutely. Are there millions of problems to be handled in this nation? Yes. But the issue of people dieing from acts of violence I think is THE biggest issue in our society. And it's not just in the LGBT community. I chose to address that aspect, because it DOES personally affect me, and we have already seen the "White lives matter, black lives matter" bits recently. LGBT murders are no less significant than any other hate-based murder.
And that's the saddest thing about this whole post. I'm not asking for you or anyone else to validate my decisions. I'm VERY happy with my life. I'm not asking anyone to decide that they want to be with/be a transgendered individual. I'm not asking you to change your views on religion or the afterlife. All I'm asking is for people to recognize that maybe, as human beings, it's a little more important to stop hating and attacking (Verbally or physically) someone just because they don't share your views. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, if we started treating people based on their treatment of us, and not how WE think they should live their lives, we might not have those problems like starvation, and segregation. Compassion flows at all levels.
Very profound Serenity (golf clap)
A. You implied a desire for support in your OP. That's why you said you posted it. B. You don't believe allowing children to starve is an active choice?? So nothing can be done?
Thank you for making my point that you are simply immature.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 11, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Tell me, Serenity, when was the last time you've seen us (here at the BBS) harrassing gay and/or trans people?
Predator, do us a favor and look up the definition of bigot.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 11:40:20 AM
Serenity this is not the time or place.. this thread should end
Why not? This is an appropriate place to talk about everyone else's dating, marriage, birthday, and other personal experiences. Apparently this is an appropriate place to ask if Caitlin Genner is hot. This thread doesn't violate the rules, it's not political, it's really not religious either. What makes this thread different?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Skyyr on August 11, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
That depends on the opinion. If you express the opinion that black people are inferior and should not have relationships with whites, you are a bigot. If you express the opinion that gays are immoral and you don't approve of them having sexual relations, your are a bigot. If you express the opinion that Jews are filthy and should be killed you will be jailed in several countries for committing a hate crime.
Everyone has the right to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.
Completely untrue.
Definition
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big·ot ˈbiɡət/ noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
Just because I might believe others to be wrong does not mean that I'm intolerant of them, simply that I'm intolerant of it in my own life and choices. I might believe those who eat chocolate ice cream are immoral (according to you, that stance would make me a bigot), but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop them from eating it; however, it does mean I have a right not to accept it as moral for myself.
Ironically, by definition, those who call others bigots are themselves bigots, as they are intolerant of their opinions.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
I think as long as your living your life your free to do so, but don't spread abberrant thoughts to others, especially those that may be impressionable. The bruce jenner post was in jest i would hope most reading it would realize that...
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Thor on August 11, 2015, 11:46:06 AM
Tell me, Serenity, when was the last time you've seen us (here at the BBS) harrassing gay and/or trans people?
Predator, do us a favor and look up the definition of bigot.
You mean other than half of this thread?
Look at the disparity in responses. People calling LGBT everything from an abomination to a psychotic mental disorder. VERY personal attacks.
What's the worst thing I've said back about your religion?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
I haven't received a lot of negativity from you, you should be a proud airman, not a person that is either trolling this whole forum, or doing something that you originally did not want to do... that would be a helluva story the tale of the fish that was the size of the boat, if you left it at that
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
I haven't received a lot of negativity from you, you should be a proud airman, not a person that is either trolling this whole forum, or doing something that you originally did not want to do... that would be a helluva story the tale of the fish that was the size of the boat, if you left it at that
Except that wasn't my intent. If I wanted a few hurrahs, a few guffaws, and a round of beer, I'd have told of the first girl, posted a few pictures and laughed as you all realized you would have done it yourself in a heartbeat.
I'm not here to tell sea stories. I'm here hoping to change a few opinions on tolerance and understanding.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Mar on August 11, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
I'm not here to tell sea stories. I'm here hoping to change a few opinions on tolerance and understanding.
Barking up the wrong tree, as I've been trying to tell you. We are not the ones who go around hurting people because of race/morals/etc.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 11, 2015, 12:13:18 PM
What I really want to know, is if when you ride your motorcycle to your jet, do you do a catwalk and fist pump like Tom Cruise on his Ninja as you drive down the flight line? Do you have the squadron stickers on your bike as well?
Also, what are your feelings towards the soothing sounds of Kenny Loggins?
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 12:16:39 PM
gman whistled for unsportsmanship
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 12:21:21 PM
What I really want to know, is if when you ride your motorcycle to your jet, do you do a catwalk and fist pump like Tom Cruise on his Ninja as you drive down the flight line? Do you have the squadron stickers on your bike as well?
Also, what are your feelings towards the soothing sounds of Kenny Loggins?
Naw, I ride a cruiser, not a ninja, and the road doesn't parallel the runway. I also don't like stickers or decals on my bike, though I have a squadron patch on the vest I wear for Patriot Guard rides.
Kenny Loggins is my sound track to life.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Bear76 on August 11, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
Look at the disparity in responses. People calling LGBT everything from an abomination to a psychotic mental disorder. VERY personal attacks.
What's the worst thing I've said back about your religion?
If you weren't willing to accept people's opinions that differ from yours, as you had to know there would be, why would take them as personal attacks? I didn't see anyone call you an abomination or psychotic. Your crusade to change people's opinions is admirable, though why here I don't know, but people's views and opinions are not that easy to change. If you want people to accept your opinions then you have to accept theirs, even if you don't agree.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
What I really want to know, is if when you ride your motorcycle to your jet, do you do a catwalk and fist pump like Tom Cruise on his Ninja as you drive down the flight line? Do you have the squadron stickers on your bike as well?
Also, what are your feelings towards the soothing sounds of Kenny Loggins?
why cant we just punt this already
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Rollins on August 11, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
I don't care where anyone wants to park their car at night, I'm just impressed that in a few short years it's gone from Pineapple Pitfalls to T-Girl Trysts, the storytelling is just going leaps and bounds. Plot twist no one saw coming.
Leave yourself room to grow, though, the stories start falling flat and that's how you lose readers.
It's all about pace, not too fast, not too slow, don't cram it down their throat too much, let it develop organically and the believability of the whole thing swells, and the crescendo leaves you with an exhausted sense of satisfaction when all the replies coming raining down all over you.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
If you weren't willing to accept people's opinions that differ from yours, as you had to know there would be, why would take them as personal attacks? I didn't see anyone call you an abomination or psychotic. Your crusade to change people's opinions is admirable, though why here I don't know, but people's views and opinions are not that easy to change. If you want people to accept your opinions then you have to accept theirs, even if you don't agree.
They called someone I love an abomination and psychotic. That's not a disagreement, that's a personal attack. There's a big difference.
I don't care where anyone wants to park their car at night, I'm just impressed that in a few short years it's gone from Pineapple Pitfalls to T-Girl Trysts, the storytelling is just going leaps and bounds. Plot twist no one saw coming.
Leave yourself room to grow, though, the stories start falling flat and that's how you lose readers.
It's all about pace, not too fast, not too slow, don't cram it down their throat too much, let it develop organically and the believability of the whole thing swells, and the crescendo leaves you with an exhausted sense of satisfaction when all the replies coming raining down all over you.
Do I know you? I have enough ankle-humpers, I'm not taking applications for new ones.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Bear76 on August 11, 2015, 12:29:26 PM
If you think that comment actually bothered me, you really know nothing about me.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
gman's ninja reference was worse wasn't it
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 11, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
Craz, that one wrote itself, common, who couldn't have imagined that Top Gun scene after what Serenity posted. You need to chill out, nobody is attacking Serenity, at least I'm not, neither was what Bear said, and Serenity obviously from what he just said realizes this.
This overprotection/defense shtick of yours Craz in relation to anything anyone says, is getting pretty tired.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2015, 12:39:14 PM
Craz, that one wrote itself, common, who couldn't have imagined that Top Gun scene after what Serenity posted. You need to chill out, nobody is attacking Serenity, at least I'm not, neither was what Bear said, and Serenity obviously from what he just said realizes this.
This overprotection/defense shtick of yours Craz in relation to anything anyone says, is getting pretty tired.
Actually, I think craz was trying to imply that I'm the one assuming everyone was out to get me.
hey i've taken a ninja 600 to the top about 160ish... i don't need to hear this stuff from you guys...
Thankfully, I top out at 100mph, or I'd go farther
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
gman is tough nut to crack you can bet that
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 11, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
I was referring to Maverick's Ninja from the movie, not trying to guess what Serenity rides.
Serenity - To clarify, everything Craz keeps saying is trying to manufacture insults/attacks from posters who aren't doing anything of the sort, then rushing to the defense. I don't think you need a yapping little sidekick buzzing around your ankles, barking at every person that wanders nearby. You're doing just fine on your own.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 12:52:11 PM
what are you doing... i been trying to punt this post from day one.. your a deceiver and a fraud gman
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: BFOOT1 on August 11, 2015, 12:52:22 PM
Serenity, just out of curiosity, what do you fly? I have one more of university left and I'm considering joining up :salute
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Gman on August 11, 2015, 12:54:34 PM
I think I remember some pics Serenity put up of the jet trainer he's flying. I'm 100x more interested in seeing pictures of these, and info/stories/anecdotes/etc of Navy flight training, than other subject matter.
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: craz07 on August 11, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
I admit Serenity has some interesting posts but gman all your posts are to start something up, always negative
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 11, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
To be more truthful, what you should have said was, "Everyone has a right to express their opinion on sensitive social issues, except if they disagree from my established politically correct answer, then they're a bigot".
You need to get out more if you think this thread is full of bigotry.
yup
Title: Re: Warning: Gender bending
Post by: Skuzzy on August 11, 2015, 02:25:55 PM
There are so many things wrong in this thread there is no way to salvage it. Either lock it or kick a lot of people off the board.