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Title: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 10, 2015, 07:01:24 PM
People have asked me for years how we members of SAPP have become so proficient in landing our P-38s.  I tell them that while we make it look very easy, it's only because of the hard work we put into it.  On top of our regular duties to our various squadrons we're members of, SAPP and our leaders in the Consortium of 12 require us to complete no less than 20 hours of landing practices per week.  The result has been a group of P-38 pilots that are considered the most elite of elite when it comes to landing an airplane.

Below is an official SAPP release of CorkyJr doing a routine landing in our super secret landing simulator.  Notice the pin point accuracy of where he touches down?  That could only have been accomplished with hundred of hours of practice.

(http://i.imgur.com/vq0u97O.gif)
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Zoney on August 10, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
LOL at the rudder wiggle at the end, don't know why, just seems funny as if the plane is saying "I'm good, I'm ok, just a scratch.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 10, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
LOL at the rudder wiggle at the end, don't know why, just seems funny as if the plane is saying "I'm good, I'm ok, just a scratch.

That's standard operating procedure to let the others know the pilot is okay, like how a scuba diver gives the okay sign after he enters the water.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 10, 2015, 08:33:24 PM
 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: guncrasher on August 10, 2015, 08:54:57 PM
I dont understand why the training.  that's how I landed 100% of my sorties back in aw days.



semp
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Guppy35 on August 10, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
Funny you should post that.  I had no idea Spikes had his camera rolling.

I've been suffering through a bit of Airwarrior Nostalgia lately and remember vividly the first mass auger of the Nomads back then.  It was A83 and it was done with pinpoint accuracy.  That's almost 20 years ago now, so I have thousands of "landings' to my credit.

I've said since the beginning that if you are going to auger, you must 'auger with style"!  :aok
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: MK-84 on August 10, 2015, 10:31:15 PM
 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: USRanger on August 10, 2015, 11:00:25 PM
I was watching a show called "Storming Normandy" earlier, and they were talking about the surge of U.S. soldiers and equipment into England "such as the American P-38 bomber".  I got a chuckle out of that after some of the threads that have been on here. :D
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: FLS on August 10, 2015, 11:07:48 PM
https://youtu.be/x6dEoEreahM   :D
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: LilMak on August 11, 2015, 10:26:55 AM
Real pilots fly taildraggers!  :devil
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: waystin2 on August 11, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
WTG Cork!  Your precision is amazing.  Still stunned by what I just saw....  :eek:
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: bustr on August 11, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
AKAK,

Is it possible to do that in our game??
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 11, 2015, 03:54:42 PM
AKAK,

Is it possible to do that in our game??

Yes, it is possible to crash land in our game.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: bustr on August 11, 2015, 05:19:23 PM
You know what I asked, can you reproduce a landing like that in our game? Would make an interesting film.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: potsNpans on August 11, 2015, 06:37:56 PM
Watching this landing and having this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ_Mz8ftqI from an ol' ketchup commercial playing in my head gave me a good chuckle. Point off for not having his toe's pointed on splash down though.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Guppy35 on August 11, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
You know what I asked, can you reproduce a landing like that in our game? Would make an interesting film.

You clearly haven't been paying attention Bustr as there have been numerous threads on SAPP Landing techniques posted by many different players. This one was in the general forums and was a solo landing of mine.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255378.0.html


Here is an example from the SAPP Forum.  It's from 2008 but is a good example of the expectations we have in SAPP of the 38 drivers


Finished the night with some formation landing practice with Mensa.  Thought I'd share some of my technique with the SAPP crowd in the hopes of helping others become better at putting their 38s down with style.

Note the smooth approach, flaps and gear out, curving in on final.  Mensa looks a bit off in the background....but then again....it's Mensa.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Final.jpg)

Understand I'm trying to talk Mensa through this, and Soulyss is in the tower offering advice as well, but he's young and wants to go his own way....literally.  Note I'm down nicely, center of the runway.  Not sure what Mensa is doing.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Crossover.jpg)

Now that I'm down and centered, it's time for me to finish up.  Note the smooth extention of the right wing, into the runway at about 45 degrees.  This sets up the rest of the landing roll.  Mensa is apparently trying to correct, but I'm afraid it's too late.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/WingDig.jpg)

Continuing on, I lit a fire in hopes of giving Mensa something to guide in on.  My landing roll continues.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Nosedown.jpg)
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Guppy35 on August 11, 2015, 07:16:58 PM
Now this is where I added a bit of style to the roll.  Note I've gotten airborne again as I 'tuck' the nose under.  This shows the sign of a real veteran on the landing roll.  Again, I'm not sure what Mensa is doing, but I'm hoping he'll get better at this.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Jump.jpg)

Pay close attention to this part of the landing roll.  Synchronized rudder removal is a sure sign of a veteran 38 pilot.  It allows for a smoother surface to the 38 as the pilot completes his landing.  As you can see by his 38 in the background, Mensa will need continued work on this.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Rudders.jpg)

Finally down and safe, center of the runway.  The key is knowing when to kick the rudder and dig in the wingtip.  You too, in time can land a 38 as well as this.  But don't dispair.  It's taken me years of practice to reach this level of ability:aok
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Finish.jpg)
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: Guppy35 on August 11, 2015, 07:18:03 PM
This one, also found in the SAPP forum is by the MIA Grizz back in 2009

Decided to attempt a perfect SAPP landing a few days ago.

Lining up for a smooth touch down...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/1a.jpg)

Gotta make sure we get that gear down...it will be important towards the end of the landing...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/2.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/3.jpg)

And touchdown, a little off to the side, hopefully that doesn't cause any flips or damage...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/4.jpg)

Uh oh...

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/5.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/6.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/2-1.jpg)

Take note of the height of the bounce...as every piece disassembles from the body of the aircraft
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/3-1.jpg)

The elevator is still intact at least...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/4-1.jpg)

Oh wait, there it goes...almost stopped....
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/broke_popsicle_stick.jpg)

And a photo finish right side up with gear intact!
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/8.jpg)

Another perfect SAPP landing.  :aok

Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: bustr on August 12, 2015, 01:54:34 AM
But none of those are straight down for several thousand feet to stick the landing on touchdown. I've pulled much of what you are showing over the years by accident.
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: guncrasher on August 12, 2015, 08:30:50 PM
This one, also found in the SAPP forum is by the MIA Grizz back in 2009

Decided to attempt a perfect SAPP landing a few days ago.

Lining up for a smooth touch down...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/1a.jpg)

Gotta make sure we get that gear down...it will be important towards the end of the landing...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/2.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/3.jpg)

And touchdown, a little off to the side, hopefully that doesn't cause any flips or damage...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/4.jpg)

Uh oh...

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/5.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/6.jpg)

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/2-1.jpg)

Take note of the height of the bounce...as every piece disassembles from the body of the aircraft
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/3-1.jpg)

The elevator is still intact at least...
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/4-1.jpg)

Oh wait, there it goes...almost stopped....
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/broke_popsicle_stick.jpg)

And a photo finish right side up with gear intact!
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/grizz441/8.jpg)

Another perfect SAPP landing.  :aok

show off.



semp
Title: Re: SAPP Landing Practice
Post by: BaldEagl on August 13, 2015, 12:22:43 PM
Despite the fact I rarely fly B-38's I've been so inspired over the years by Guppy's AILments (achievements in landing) that after a scenario I posted these pics which I titled:

This is when you know that...

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Image281_zps489d5390.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Image281_zps489d5390.jpg.html) 

...You've Guppied the landing

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Image312_zpsed765841.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Image312_zpsed765841.jpg.html)

But enough with the German iron, this is one of my proudest Spit dweeb moments:

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/CrashLanding.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/CrashLanding.jpg.html)

Right at the feet of my crew chief.