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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FLOOB on August 11, 2015, 09:16:57 AM
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I'm not sure if it's because I had good classical literature and composition teachers or if it's because I'm not a loser, but I really hate that children's literature and children's cinema has become a mainstream product for adult consumers.
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I'll happily be a loser then. :banana:
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I like anime, what you got against it
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Forum needs a "DISLIKE" button.
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*waits for raynos, Latrobe, and Player to show up*
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Actually, the quality of comic books, graphic novels and animation has increased substantially over the last few years. Japanese anime is far more sophisticated than most American cartoons. For one thing, some of it is written for adults. Ditto for Japanese manga. With regards to comic books, several graphic novels are listed as some of the best literature of the past century. I teach English Lit and English Composition, and one of my courses is a study of the evolution of comics and graphic novels. I would recommend the following works:
Watchmen The movie isn't that great, but the graphic novel was listed as one of the Top 100 Novels of the 20th Century.
The Sandman Neil Gaiman wrote a highly literate, complex series that explores history, religion, mythology, fantasy and horror. Won the Nebula Award for Best Short Story.
Batman Year One/The Dark Knight Returns Frank Miller re-defined the character with these two books, which also explore the idea of a dystopian society and revolution.
The Wind Rises An animated film by Hayao Miyazaki. A fanciful retelling of the life of Jiro Horikoshi, the man that designed the A6M Zero.
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I'm not sure if it's because I had good classical literature and composition teachers or if it's because I'm not a loser, but I really hate that children's literature and children's cinema has become a mainstream product for adult consumers.
You feel better now? :rolleyes:
Coogan
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Its weird taking a date to the movies only to realize all the movies showing are for people who cant get dates.
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Actually, the quality of comic books, graphic novels and animation has increased substantially over the last few years. Japanese anime is far more sophisticated than most American cartoons. For one thing, some of it is written for adults. Ditto for Japanese manga. With regards to comic books, several graphic novels are listed as some of the best literature of the past century. I teach English Lit and English Composition, and one of my courses is a study of the evolution of comics and graphic novels. I would recommend the following works:
Watchmen The movie isn't that great, but the graphic novel was listed as one of the Top 100 Novels of the 20th Century.
The Sandman Neil Gaiman wrote a highly literate, complex series that explores history, religion, mythology, fantasy and horror. Won the Nebula Award for Best Short Story.
Batman Year One/The Dark Knight Returns Frank Miller re-defined the character with these two books, which also explore the idea of a dystopian society and revolution.
The Wind Rises An animated film by Hayao Miyazaki. A fanciful retelling of the life of Jiro Horikoshi, the man that designed the A6M Zero.
Which one of them comic books isnt a picture book? I'll read that one. Al those asiatic cartoons are for pedophiles and perverts. Ohh a fanciful retelling about the jap who made the zero. I bet it was a hit among grown men who go to toy stores and comic con.
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I can sense you're digging on your heels here so I'm not going to bother with discussing the matter further. I will only say that the hallmark of a really intelligent mind is not what you know, but what you are willing to learn.
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I asked you a question.
I will only say that the hallmark of a really intelligent mind is not what you know, but what you are willing to learn.
Exactly.
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Depends on what you mean by "picture book". If by that you mean a simplistic, illustrated book written for children then none of these books qualify.
My point is that you appear to be dismissing a specific genre of storytelling out of hand rather than objectively looking at the material. True, there are a lot of crappy comics and animated films out there, but there are more that legitimately qualify as literature and art.
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I mean one that's not about a fictional super hero or some other bathos escapism and doesn't have illustrations to appease the simple.
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So do you bring your dates home to watch Rick and Morty? :rolleyes:
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I mean one that's not about a fictional super hero or some other bathos escapism and doesn't have illustrations to appease the simple.
Big Hero 6?
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So do you bring your dates home to watch Rick and Morty? :rolleyes:
My dates are attractive women, they lack the mentation to appreciate highbrow or conceptual humor.
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The books I mentioned have illustrations that are used to add another layer of storytelling. They employ symbolism, color, shot composition and visual style to reinforce the themes of the story, not "to appease the simple".
If you have issues with science fiction and fantasy, or superheroes, that's another argument entirely. Suffice it to say that there are books and films in the genre that are easily worthy of serious exploration. That being said, here's a list of non-superhero graphic novels:
Onward Towards Our Noble Deaths by Shigeru Mizuki. A semi-autobiographical account of the last weeks of a Japanese Infantry unit during World War II.
Maus considered one of the most important works on the Holocaust. The true story of Art Spiegleman's relationship with his holocaust survivor father, and a re-telling of the horrors his father experienced during the war.
Perisopolis The story of a young girl and her family's experiences as they are caught up in the Iran-Iraq war and are forced to flee to the West.
From Hell Alan Moore's take on Jack the Ripper and the bloody birth of the 20th century.
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Big Hero 6?
:rofl
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Hehe, graphic novel, storyboard. . . might as well just call Frank Miller a pedophile straight up (which he is not).
Ronin, Daredevil, Elektra. . .
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Anime has been steering deep into soft porn for the last 15 years to keep an audience. Japan has a problem with males of all ages and their favorite female anime characters. Hero's and love interests seem to dominate a spectrum of sisters to the girl next door to the evil female enemy who is jaw dropping while always well dressed for a porno book signing tour. Keeps the boys buying media. Maybe that is what he cannot get past. There is more adult fair or very deep and real issues depressing fair if he wants to look for it. I just like seeing the realllyyyy evill bad guys get it really horribly in the end after an epic good versus evil destruction romp for a few hours in a movie or 24-52 weeks in episodes.
The art work, morality play, and exploration of the human condition in Japanese anime is often superior to the simple minded castrated pabulum we are fed here in the US from the main stream animation market. But, in Japan there seems no problem mixing panty shots of a sweating big breasted younger sister while exterminating evil vampires with her big brother hero together in a church.........
Many anime remind me of the morality play of American movies from the 30's until the 60's when good and evil were turned into, it's only evil if you aren't one of us. Anime tends to make an obvious distinction early on which kind of morality play the story line was constructed around.
Maybe he should stick to anime like the Tenchi Muyo series.
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I mean one that's not about a fictional super hero or some other bathos escapism and doesn't have illustrations to appease the simple.
Try Five Centimeters per Second.
If you actually think for a minute about the subjects it covers, and the experience of each character, and the questions and realizations they have, I think you'll like it.
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I'm no fan of anime, or comics (I've never read a comic book, and have no desire to. Not that there's anything wrong with them, I just don't like the presentation. I prefer a true novel over a movie anyway, and I find comics are closer to movies than books) but I think you're painting with a rather broad brush here...
I WILL admit I loved the Gundam Wing series.
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Flewb is just upset he lost his waifu...
Nuff said :old:
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:rofl
Eh, I'm not gonna make an argument. You either like stuff or you don't. Plain and simple. :aok
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I actually agree with floob to a certain extent - vicious, cruel and degrading images, often of very young girls, have been a "thing" in manga for bloody decades. I used to see guys "reading" them in the subway on the morning commute in a previous lifetime. Manga have also been excluded from kiddie-p laws in Japan, partly as a result of pressure from publishers, who make a mint off the damn things. Similarly, there's all too many animations in which story and character development are secondary to underwear.
I guess it's rather like photography - subjects can range from the sacred to the profane, not the fault of the sacred that the profane exists.
That said, there are still some legitimately mind-blowing Japanime out there, well worth watching.
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The books I mentioned have illustrations that are used to add another layer of storytelling. They employ symbolism, color, shot composition and visual style to reinforce the themes of the story, not "to appease the simple".
If you have issues with science fiction and fantasy, or superheroes, that's another argument entirely. Suffice it to say that there are books and films in the genre that are easily worthy of serious exploration. That being said, here's a list of non-superhero graphic novels:
Onward Towards Our Noble Deaths by Shigeru Mizuki. A semi-autobiographical account of the last weeks of a Japanese Infantry unit during World War II.
Maus considered one of the most important works on the Holocaust. The true story of Art Spiegleman's relationship with his holocaust survivor father, and a re-telling of the horrors his father experienced during the war.
Perisopolis The story of a young girl and her family's experiences as they are caught up in the Iran-Iraq war and are forced to flee to the West.
From Hell Alan Moore's take on Jack the Ripper and the bloody birth of the 20th century.
Absolutely true and a very good list of examples! I would just like to add that you should all check out "Nekopara". It is by far the greatest visual novel I have ever seen come out of Japan. Truly it is a great masterpiece for ages to come!!
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Let me direct you to a site called My Anime List. It's filled with some of the worse degenerates that anime has to offer.
On the other hand, it also has some of the nicest people anime has to offer.
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I'm not sure if it's because I had good classical literature and composition teachers or if it's because I'm not a loser, but I really hate that children's literature and children's cinema has become a mainstream product for adult consumers.
You think anime is for kids? Allow me to direct you to the following series:
-Akira
-Btoom
-Blood Plus
-Cowboy Bebop
-Darker than Black
-Elfen Lied
-Psycho Pass
-Pasyte
-Tokyo Ghoul
To name a few, none of witch are meant for kids because of their severe violence, dark plots, profane language and overall adult themes.
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I'm no fan of anime, or comics (I've never read a comic book, and have no desire to.
Which means you're a man and probably get laid. And you're not from that part of society that the character Dwight Schrute was created to represent.
FBKampfer "Five Centimeters per Second" isn't really dumb bellybutton escapist tripe about super heroes and weird oriental motorcycle gangs and toejam. I haven't seen it but it doesn't strike me as something a grownup should be ashamed of admitting to having watched.
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You think anime is for kids? Allow me to direct you to the following series:
-Akira
-Btoom
-Blood Plus
-Cowboy Bebop
-Darker than Black
-Elfen Lied
-Psycho Pass
-Pasyte
-Tokyo Ghoul
To name a few, none of witch are meant for kids because of their severe violence, dark plots, profane language and overall adult themes.
There is a guy at my job that has the entire rear window of his truck with a decal of Himiko/Emilia (BTOOOM!). I had to do a double take, and even then get a closer look. I still doubted it until I spotted the crystal in her hand. "Well, that's a surprise..." lol
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Which means you're a man and probably get laid.
Judging by the last thread he made he does get laid. :D
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Judging by the last thread he made he does get laid. :D
He used the past tense to indicate he liked it when it was age-appropriate.
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I mean one that's not about a fictional super hero or some other bathos escapism and doesn't have illustrations to appease the simple.
Angel Beats
Ao No Exorcist
Btooom (as mentioned before)
Byousoku 5 Centimeter (as mentioned before)
Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
Darker than Black: Kuro no Keiyakusha
Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo
Kumo no Mukou, Yakusoku no Basho
Kuroshitsuji
Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi
Seto no Hanayome
Shingeki no Kyojin
Steins;Gate
Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo
Toradora!
Wolf's Rain
These are just the ones that I've personally watched which fit the criteria, have I adequately addressed your issue good sir?
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Pretty sure trolling, but its a good interesting troll with lots of little hook wiggling and bites.
As always, generalities are false. But get true as you get more specific. Lots of non-degenerate comic book and cartoon literature out there. Plenty of degenerate stuff out there too. Biased samples all showing one way or the other are biased.
I personally was never in to comic books, and the only comic book movie (and TV) franchise I consistently like is Batman. As a kid I loved Robotech. Never got into other anime, all the other kid stuff was so bad in comparison. It just like, my opinion, man.
Here's the best anime I've seen recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
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FBKampfer "Five Centimeters per Second" isn't really dumb bellybutton escapist tripe about super heroes and weird oriental motorcycle gangs and toejam. I haven't seen it but it doesn't strike me as something a grownup should be ashamed of admitting to having watched.
Then you see anime as a category does not fit the description you gave it. There's wierd people who watch it, and they demand wierd stuff, and there is inevitably someone willing to meet that demand.
But it's not all bad, and I refuse to let horny Japanese teenagers ruin the artform I enjoy!
It's sort of like TV in the US. NatGeo used to be about awesome toejam like Egyptian pyramids, and mummies, and arctic expeditions. Now it's... I don't even know what to call it, but it's definitely not awesome :old:. Or like how the history channel has turned into Ancient Alien conspiracy nuts, and American pickers.
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floob you sound really angry, it's not like you, I remember you soaring high above at 20k in your c2 never creating danger by diving down, happy to just be gliding high, maitaining altitude and just haunting me at mid altitude. Actually now that I think about it kind of freaked me out, and how do I know it was you I really don't know... go figure :airplane:
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Well you see Floob
Nobody really cares what you have to say about their personal likings
Move on and shove a sock in it
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Well you see Floob
Nobody really cares what you have to say about their personal likings
Move on and shove a sock in it
:aok
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Original poster obviously got a semi when watching anime.
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Watchmen The movie isn't that great, but the graphic novel was listed as one of the Top 100 Novels of the 20th Century.
The Sandman Neil Gaiman wrote a highly literate, complex series that explores history, religion, mythology, fantasy and horror. Won the Nebula Award for Best Short Story.
Batman Year One/The Dark Knight Returns Frank Miller re-defined the character with these two books, which also explore the idea of a dystopian society and revolution.
Going with superhero books, while it may not be a classic on the level of these examples (or even other books in the franchise; eg Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past), if you want a REALLY good cry:
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/11307/252239-20027-119620-1-x-23-innocence-lost.jpg)
GREAT series, though, and it has a nice twist that the main character of the book is NOT the superhero.
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Original poster obviously got a semi when watching anime.
So he got a Peterbilt? :D
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Original poster obviously got a semi when watching anime.
Only a semi? He's not doing it right then.
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My dates are attractive women, they lack the mentation to appreciate highbrow or conceptual humor.
Obviously
Coogan
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:rofl
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See Rule #6
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he is not homosexual he merely does not infatuate himselft with big juggly tits.... must not infatuate.....
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See Rule #6
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See Rule #6
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XxDaSTaRxx you have lost your mind sir. What the hell is wrong with you?
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XxDaSTaRxx you have lost your mind sir. What the hell is wrong with you?
I took the leash off of him with terrible consequences. :o
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See Rule #6
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Good gravy get rid of that crap man. They're kids that read these forums and I happened to be at work when I scrolled down and that popped up.
What the heck is wrong with you man?
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this was all Floobs fault :rofl
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See Rule #6
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they're could be kids loooking at this cmon
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I will be banned for this, but let me ask, Who REALLY won here?
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Not you dummy... lol
Coogan
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clearly he has
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HOW'S THAT FOR YOUR diddlyIN LINE
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this was all Floobs fault :rofl
Get over yourselves...
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:rofl
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I will be banned for this, but let me ask, Who REALLY won here?
That would depend on your definition of winning, in this context. I will say it was a winning example of how to get yourself banned from the board.
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Awww man, first day at work and I miss all the fun... :bhead
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Rather than reading through topics like this we would all be better off just watching movies like Cannibal Holocaust repeatedly.
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:rofl
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The OP should watch Shin Chan then.