General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 01:04:18 AM
Title: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 01:04:18 AM
Having a large supply of complicated goods that I need to eat from and rotate in fresher stuff isn't for me. I tried that once and didn't keep up with it after a while.
What I needed was to have 2000 cal/day of complete protein available that lasts nearly forever, is easy to store, and is cheap.
So, what I ended up doing is making 5 gallon buckets of rice and beans. A bucket will last about 20-30 years and is 25 days worth of 2000 cal/day. Rice and beans together make a complete protein, so you can live off of it for a long time.
I got 5 gallon buckets and lids (about $5 per bucket+lid), 5 gallon mylar bags (about $1 each), 2000 cc oxygen absorbers (about $1 each), a mylar bag heat-seal tool ($100 "Hotjaws", although you can use a household iron with a little more hassle), 25 and 50 lb bags of long-grain white rice (about $20 per 50 lbs) 25 and 50 lb bags of pinto beans (about $30 per 50 lbs) A mylar bag in a bucket holds about 33-35 lbs worth of rice or beans
The total cost of a bucket worth is about $28. So, for $28, you get about 25 days worth of food at 2000 cal/day. Not bad. And it lasts for decades (so I can do it once and not worry about it thereafter), and buckets store easily.
Here's how you do it. Put the mylar bag in the bucket. Fill with rice or beans but leave a couple of inches spare room at the top for the excess mylar bag. Label the bucket (while you still can see what's in it), including with date. Heat seal the bag shut except for about 4 inches on one side. Put a 2000 cc oxygen absorber in. Push out the excess air. Seal the remaining 4 inches. Wait a day and notice that the bag now looks the same as if it were vacuum sealed (unless there is a leak). Hammer on the lid.
Do a bucket for every person-month you want your stores to cover, and you don't have to deal with it again (except for if an emergency happens, of course).
If folks are interested in particular items, I just bought buckets from Home Depot and got the rest from Amazon: 5 gal mylar bags, such as these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077CSRXQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 2000 cc oxygen absorber packets, such as these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FRZ45K?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 A nice mylar bag heat sealer, such as this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HO30TE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 Rice and beans (whatever type of bean you like -- I got pinto, but navy beans are good choice, too). Get multiples of 25 or 50 lb bags at Cash and Carry (or from Costco, Sam's Club, or maybe Walmart).
Then, as I live in an area with abundant fresh water around, I got a filter instead of storing water (as storing water is a pain). This water filter (that will take out organics, metals, bacteria, and most viruses): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BWIWX8G?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01
By the way, oxygen absorbers don't keep once you open the pack. So, set up your mylar bags you are doing so that they are all sealed except for the last 4 inches. Then open your package of oxygen absorbers, pull out the number you need, push out excess air, and reseal the oxygen absorber package with your heat sealer. Then put the oxygen absorbers into your mylar bags, push out excess air, and seal the remaining 4 inches on each bag.
For sealing with the Hotjaws, you set it to "high" and press it firmly together on the bag for a count of 5 Mississippi.
People can seal mylar bags with home irons. That's a cheaper device than the Hotjaws, but takes a bit more technique to get a good seal.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 01:09:22 AM
If you want to use a similar technique to store salt or sugar, I don't put in the oxygen absorber.
Salt and sugar have an indefinite shelf life if they don't get wet. So, sealing in a mylar bag should be sufficient.
Also, if you do put in an oxygen absorber, they can turn into a rock-like mass that you need to chisel hunks off and regrind to make it granulated.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: CASHEW on August 14, 2015, 01:46:18 AM
livin in the woods there aint such thing as emergency's! Aint got no prepper shack!
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: BaldEagl on August 14, 2015, 02:50:39 AM
Sounds like pretty boring diet.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: MrKrabs on August 14, 2015, 03:02:37 AM
Heck you can grind down the rice and make bread :|
I suppose if you're not an admittedly lazy person.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Aspen on August 14, 2015, 03:33:45 AM
Simple and effective, sounds good. Some canned peaches and canned meat would be a good supplement and help avoid going insane only eating rice and beans.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 14, 2015, 04:13:29 AM
Just rice and beans is not enough to keep someone fully nourished. You need fruits and vegetables for other vitamins, minerals, and essential nutrients.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: HL117 on August 14, 2015, 07:56:09 AM
SPAM
Canned = 2-5 year shelf life
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 12:46:00 PM
Just rice and beans is not enough to keep someone fully nourished. You need fruits and vegetables for other vitamins, minerals, and essential nutrients.
Beans have an assortment of vitamins and minerals, but -- yep, if you were going to be on your emergency food for more than several months, you would probably want supplemental cans of things and, for extra assurance, multivitamins.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 01:01:39 PM
If you're really lazy just put up a sign that says "Free Food".
When people come to your house eat them.
Sign ain't lying. :bolt:
:rofl :rofl
that is so bad.... :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: pipz on August 14, 2015, 04:45:02 PM
Instead of doing all that when the time comes I will just join the Zombie forces. It would be easier. Don't be afraid of change Brooke! :old:
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: ghi on August 14, 2015, 04:50:55 PM
They have great packages at Costco any size you want and buckets with gama lids, water filters,maybe comes cheaper if you seal it yourself ; 50 lbs bag of rice 14$, 25 lbs pinto beans 13$; that cheap... great insurance for a SHTF scenario; http://www.costco.com/emergency-kits-supplies.html Honey is still cheap, can be stored unlimited ; can't go wrong, even if nothing happens the price is going up, the bees are dying for unexplained reason , they blame pesticides, cellphone towers ; is going to become a rare delicatessen more expensive tham caviar. I bought a smaller emergency kitt for 3 days, I keep in my truck during winter, igot stuck many times in bad weather closed roads .
Most people believe the credit cards are going to work forever and the grocery stores packed with goodies ; Naive ,inexperienced and take the economic stability peace as granted waste $$ on new cars phones every year without investing in basics to survive beyond their fridge. If If a disaster strikes, the government can't feed 300 millions in FEMA camps;
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
I also think this is a cheap way to do decent water filtration (not as nice as the Berkey, but 1/5 the price).
Get a Sawyer filter (which will take out the bacteria, and the filter lasts forever -- just backflush when flow is low), $17: http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-SP128-Filtration-System/dp/B00FA2RLX2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439591730&sr=8-1&keywords=sawyer+filter Hook a hose on the end and run it into a carbon filter (which will take out organics), $20: http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-8013450-Carbon-Cartridge/dp/B0007U0184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439591823&sr=8-1&keywords=katadyn+carbon
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: rabbidrabbit on August 14, 2015, 05:38:57 PM
An appropriate supply of firearms and ammo is a great way to ensure your supplies stay with you and procure additional items as needed.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 05:39:46 PM
They have great packages at Costco any size you want and buckets with gama lids, water filters,maybe comes cheaper if you seal it yourself ; 50 lbs bag of rice 14$, 25 lbs pinto beans 13$; that cheap... great insurance for a SHTF scenario; http://www.costco.com/emergency-kits-supplies.html Honey is still cheap, can be stored unlimited ; can't go wrong, even if nothing happens the price is going up, the bees are dying for unexplained reason , they blame pesticides, cellphone towers ; is going to become a rare delicatessen more expensive tham caviar. I bought a smaller emergency kitt for 3 days, I keep in my truck during winter, igot stuck many times in bad weather closed roads .
Most people believe the credit cards are going to work forever and the grocery stores packed with goodies ; Naive ,inexperienced and take the economic stability peace as granted waste $$ on new cars phones every year without investing in basics to survive beyond their fridge. If If a disaster strikes, the government can't feed 300 millions in FEMA camps;
back in the 70's I read a story in reader's digest about how some people took advantage of shortages in europe and charge outrageous prices. it was about this lady, she made a lot of money, towards the end of the war when there was little to live on, she had taken all the money she had and bought a loaf of bread and some other little stuff.
semp
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2015, 05:47:40 PM
An appropriate supply of firearms and ammo is a great way to ensure your supplies stay with you and procure additional items as needed.
I saw good quote once that went something like this: "When it all collapses there will be folks with beans and folks with guns on day one. On day two, the folks who started with just guns will likely also have some beans, not sure if the folks who started with just beans will have any guns."
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: guncrasher on August 14, 2015, 06:41:56 PM
I saw good quote once that went something like this: "When it all collapses there will be folks with beans and folks with guns on day one. On day two, the folks who started with just guns will likely also have some beans, not sure if the folks who started with just beans will have any guns."
yup but there's always somebody with bigger guns.
semp
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Ripsnort on August 14, 2015, 07:42:54 PM
I've done a collection of multiple food sources, at more expensive but wide diet varieties.
MREs, Mountain House, canning, plus dry goods like rice, flour, salt, sugar (for curing meat, lots of game in the back yard)
4 of us could survive fat/happy for 2 months, or 'eat light' and go 4 months before I'd have to shoot critters to survive.
Enough fuel and propane to last the generators 2 months. Enough fresh water (600 gallons) for about 2 weeks before we'd have to fetch it from the river behind the house.
If we're going to need food longer than that, then the world ain't worth living in any more. IMO.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: FLS on August 14, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
You'll want a pressure cooker for the rice and beans. You may need to minimize cooking time. If food is scarce fuel is likely to be scarce too.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Volron on August 14, 2015, 09:21:42 PM
I forgot to ask. What are you preparing for? The end of Aces High? :eek:
No way. AH can't end.
Where I live, there are things that should be considered, and no one will call you a kook for considering them: large earthquakes, tsunamis, (magnitude 9+ is possible and has happened along the coast of the Pacific Northwest), large volcanoes (St. Helens, Rainier, Hood, Baker -- lots of big volcanoes around here), storms that do things like knock out electricity for 750,000 people at a time (the last one put my parents and their area out of power for more than 2 weeks -- if that happened along with travel problems because of snow at same time, you'd be glad to have supplies).
Then there are the ones where, if you want to take them into consideration, some people think you are a kook, such as EMP attack or large solar flare that takes out electricity in huge area, some other act of war, economic/civil disruption that is large enough, etc.
I estimate that the odds of me needing stored food are very low, which is why if it's costly or too much work, I likely wouldn't get to it. But if stored food takes me a few days of work once every 30 years and costs $1-2 per man-day of food, I can manage that.
It's cheap and easy enough for me to have this insurance for my family just in case.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: rabbidrabbit on August 15, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
That's maybe what I work on as a next step. (By the way, nice to see you. :aok )
I should have said hi when we were in town last week.
I would be more concerned about 2 weeks to 2 months supplies since that is a far more likely possibility than armageddon/ long term anarchy. If that predicted mega quake hits there will likely be no power for weeks if not a month plus. That makes civil society much less civil.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: craz07 on August 15, 2015, 12:06:25 PM
Where I live, there are things that should be considered, and no one will call you a kook for considering them: large earthquakes, tsunamis, (magnitude 9+ is possible and has happened along the coast of the Pacific Northwest), large volcanoes (St. Helens, Rainier, Hood, Baker -- lots of big volcanoes around here), storms that do things like knock out electricity for 750,000 people at a time (the last one put my parents and their area out of power for more than 2 weeks -- if that happened along with travel problems because of snow at same time, you'd be glad to have supplies).
Then there are the ones where, if you want to take them into consideration, some people think you are a kook, such as EMP attack or large solar flare that takes out electricity in huge area, some other act of war, economic/civil disruption that is large enough, etc.
I estimate that the odds of me needing stored food are very low, which is why if it's costly or too much work, I likely wouldn't get to it. But if stored food takes me a few days of work once every 30 years and costs $1-2 per man-day of food, I can manage that.
It's cheap and easy enough for me to have this insurance for my family just in case.
Maybe you should consider changing where you live.. hmmm?
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: craz07 on August 15, 2015, 12:08:20 PM
since you could theoretically die during the emergency, before you get to use your buckets of rice n' beans. Getting ur pants blown off when a volcano explodes you would probably think differently..
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2015, 02:14:56 PM
Maybe you should consider changing where you live.. hmmm?
Every place has potential issues. The whole west coast has earthquakes. The whole east coast and whole south coast has bad storms or hurricanes. A large portion of the country has winters that are a survival hazard without heat. The whole southwest has no water, and big parts of the midwest don't have surface water accessible all over either. The whole midwest has tornadoes. Lots of the west can have enormous forest fires.
Western Washington State has the risks I talked about above. However, on the positive side, it has plenty of fresh water all year either 10 feet from you (based on regular rainfall) or at most within easy walking distance no matter where you live; an enormous number of large trees everywhere for fuel; very mild winters (so you aren't dead if you don't have heat); a major city area that would be a priority of supply for the government, yet you can be in lower population density not too far away from it; rural areas that aren't far away; wilderness areas all over the place; and the ability to grow food and keep animals without needing water pumps or trucking lots of stuff in from elsewhere.
I would say that there are large portions of western Washington State that are good for survivability. Just don't locate next to a volcano, in a major city, or on the shore. If you take those things out, it still leaves lots and lots of places to pick from, including being a good area for job prospects, etc. in the times outside of disaster.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: craz07 on August 15, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
i will always think of you as brooke with your pants being blown off as a volcano explodes... lol
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: guncrasher on August 15, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
But they have this ingenious solution to save it; :banana: I watched this story in news, desperate solutions, but why black balls? :headscratch: Dark colors are absorbing heat and ...if wind spins the wet ball increases the vaporization suface ,right ? water gets very hot in my dark color garden hose, well they know better ;
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
I wondered the same thing: why black? Why not white ping-pong balls?
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: BaldEagl on August 15, 2015, 10:45:59 PM
Yep. Been wondering the same thing myself.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: 68ZooM on August 15, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
But they have this ingenious solution to save it; :banana: I watched this story in news, desperate solutions, but why black balls? :headscratch: Dark colors are absorbing heat and ...if wind spins the wet ball increases the vaporization suface ,right ? water gets very hot in my dark color garden hose, well they know better ;
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: ghi on August 16, 2015, 09:33:14 PM
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: SysError on August 16, 2015, 09:54:28 PM
From time to time, when I see pieces on preparations for long term survival, (especially when it comes to food preparation), I have the following thoughts in more or less the following order.
1. Pack away an ample supply of cyanide pills. From what I understand, properly packaged and stored, they have an amazing shelf life. While only a supposition, I can foresee a situation where, after some amount of inhumane exposure to what can only be justly viewed as the culinary equivalent of waterboarding, some members of your Ark, as one of their final acts, might wish to posthumously thank me for this idea.
2. If the above suggestion seems too pessimistic in that it telegraphs a certain cancerous defeatism that has to be arrested at any cost, (which, in all truthfulness, might be a legitimate concern given what one would expect to be a high degree of angst or perhaps anxiety for those who would have survived the initial shock and causation of civilization’s descent into dystopia), I have the following recommendation: Pack away an ample supply of dried spices. Properly applied, spices can assure that any meal becomes a pleasant experience, and on occasion, even a memorable one.
As I think about it, like most pill forms of medicine, spices do not so much as “expire” as they lose their potency over time. That said, I would think that seed based spices, as opposed to say leaf or root based spices, would have a longer shelf life. (I should point out that my thoughts here are not based upon any evidence, authority, calculation, logical consistency or on anything else expect for the fact that I thought of it. BTW, my wife contends that this is a common detectable theme in many of my arguments or other “Thoughts-of-the-Day”.) Perhaps a brief consultation with a Spice Expert who is versed in the subtleties of these sorts of issues would be prudent.
3. I must congratulate you on providing some degree of specificity with your ingredients. Often when coming across these sorts of pieces of advice, the author often has a very detailed and technical description of, say, how to heat seal a bag, but is very generic with the ingredients: “Any type of rice and beans will do”. Pinto or navy beans with long-grain white rice is a step in the right direction, at least in comparison to most other write-ups.
Even so, I think that you need to go farther.
(Ed Note: On review I was surprised, perhaps distressed, to see how much time I spent thinking about this issue. Also note, I think that this is the first time I have even thought about this issue in anything other than a passing manner. I reserve the right to modify or even withdraw any statement upon review).
(Note: 100g is about 2/3 of a cup)
Not all Beans are created equal:
Take for example: Pinto Beans: Statistics Report: 16043, Beans, pinto, mature seeds, cooked, boiled, without salt Energy kcal 143 (per 100g) http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4757?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
And: Kidney Beans: Statistics Report: 11030, Beans, kidney, mature seeds, sprouted, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt Energy kcal 33 (per 100g) http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2875?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
Not all Beans within the same family are equal, preparation makes a difference:
Look at these beans: Pinto Beans: Statistics Report: 11049, Beans, pinto, immature seeds, frozen, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt Energy kcal 162 (per 100g) http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2889?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
Compare to: Statistics Report: 16043 above.
On first blush, rice appears to be more influenced by how it is prepared and whether or not it has been enriched or not.
Short-Grain White Rice: Statistics Report: 20053, Rice, white, short-grain, cooked Energy kcal 130 (per 100g) Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.051 Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.058 Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.050 http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6466?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
Long-Grain White Rice Enriched: Statistics Report: 20045, Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, enriched Energy kcal 130 (per 100g) Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.077 Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.088 Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.076 … Iron, Fe mg 1.2 Fluoride, F µg 41.1 Thiamin mg 0.163 Niacin mg 1.476 Folate, total µg 58 Folic acid µg 55 Folate, DFE µg 97 http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6458?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
Long-Grain White Rice Unenriched: Basic Report: 20445, Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, without salt Energy kcal 130 Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.077 Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.088 Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.076 …. Iron, Fe mg 0.2 Fluoride, F 0 Thiamin mg 0.02 Niacin mg 0.4 Folate, total µg 3 Folic acid µg 0 Folate, DFE µg 3 http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6569?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=&sort=&qlookup=&offset=&format=Stats&new=&measureby=
As I was thinking about these tables, I was reminded about the standard recommendation from most western nutritionists to not wash your rice before cooking. Their contention is that most of the nutrients on the rice get washed away in the rinsing process. But I do not know if you have noticed, but many Oriental and most Middle Eastern cook books written by indigenous authors beseech you to “wash your rice at least five times or until the water runs clear” if you are using anything other than American grown and processed rice. And their reasoning is not too obtuse. In villages such as Pakistan, it is not unheard of having the village goat defecate over the rice harvest.
Type, preparation and country of origin seem to be important factors. But I think that is just the start of it. A thought or two below:
I think that these data sets may not capture the vast diversity in rice. See link.
“There are more than 40,000 varieties of cultivated rice (the grass species Oryza sativa) said to exist. But the exact figure is uncertain. Over 90,000 samples of cultivated rice and wild species are stored at the International Rice Gene Bank and these are used by researchers all over the world.”
Where I live, there are things that should be considered, and no one will call you a kook for considering them: large earthquakes, tsunamis, (magnitude 9+ is possible and has happened along the coast of the Pacific Northwest), large volcanoes (St. Helens, Rainier, Hood, Baker -- lots of big volcanoes around here), storms that do things like knock out electricity for 750,000 people at a time (the last one put my parents and their area out of power for more than 2 weeks -- if that happened along with travel problems because of snow at same time, you'd be glad to have supplies).
Then there are the ones where, if you want to take them into consideration, some people think you are a kook, such as EMP attack or large solar flare that takes out electricity in huge area, some other act of war, economic/civil disruption that is large enough, etc.
I estimate that the odds of me needing stored food are very low, which is why if it's costly or too much work, I likely wouldn't get to it. But if stored food takes me a few days of work once every 30 years and costs $1-2 per man-day of food, I can manage that.
It's cheap and easy enough for me to have this insurance for my family just in case.
Hey Brooke, the "economic" reason you mentioned could be reality soon;
check the markets meltdown; China stock market just lost over 8.4%;http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND and American stock futures are down again; DOW-400 points, 3% after -530 drop Friday; http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures
http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 24, 2015, 04:37:37 PM
It was ugly (and strange) in the market today.
I do think that a large financial crash will happen sometime between now and a couple of years from now. I think that the result will be more like the Great Depression than a collapse of society, but that's still quite bad.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: cpxxx on August 25, 2015, 09:04:31 AM
Maybe your day has arrived. A former advisor to the British Prime Minister advises buying bottled water and canned goods.
Me? I'll just find out who my local survivalist is, go round there, shoot him and take his stash!
That's actually a bad idea. :) Most of the preppers I know also do tons of target practice at the range. And these are your normal every day preppers that understand being prepared to not be dependent on the government saving us since we're living in the shadow of volcanoes, on a fault line types, not the nutcases going to extreme on television.
Unless you're hitting the range at a minimum once a month, you'll probably lose that battle, at least here where I live you'd lose. :)
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: SysError on August 25, 2015, 07:54:54 PM
Me? I'll just find out who my local survivalist is, go round there, shoot him and take his stash!
It sounds as if Damian McBride has gone a bit past his Sale/Use By date.
I must say I am trying to decide if his statements, as a former adviser to Gordon Brown, are, irrespective of their validity, ironic or apropos.
Some say, and not without some evidence it must be said, that Gordon Brown, when PM, saved western capitalism. At this point, of those who share these sentiments, some say “And the UK” while others say “At the expense of the UK”.
I know enough to know that I do not know. A rare, if not unnatural, state of mind for a present day male to be in I confess.
I do not know, perhaps there is something to all the warning that our well-meaning colleagues continually try to impart to us. Perhaps we should prepare for the “sacrifice required for the future of the human race”. We probably have never been in such perilous times since the days of the Mine Shaft Gap Crisis (MSGC).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Brooke on August 26, 2015, 02:19:49 AM
I figure that if it's cheap and easy to be prepared (to a decent extent), why not?
The only thing that remains, then, is for the individual to pick what "decent extent" means. Is that 3 days of stuff (as recommended by the US government -- not a bad idea at all), 3 weeks, 3 months, a year? Whatever you pick is better than nothing, and you can at least start at the level that makes you comfortable.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: cpxxx on August 26, 2015, 02:44:43 AM
That's actually a bad idea. :) Most of the preppers I know also do tons of target practice at the range. And these are your normal every day preppers that understand being prepared to not be dependent on the government saving us since we're living in the shadow of volcanoes, on a fault line types, not the nutcases going to extreme on television.
Unless you're hitting the range at a minimum once a month, you'll probably lose that battle, at least here where I live you'd lose. :)
Hah, I'm not one for close combat. Sniping is my game. Pick him off from a distance. :devil I'll be getting some range practice next month in a reunion with some of my old army reserve friends. Looking forward to getting my hands on my old service rifle.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: BaldEagl on August 27, 2015, 01:28:53 AM
I will simply dive for fish. Yum.
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: Ripsnort on August 27, 2015, 08:19:08 AM
Hah, I'm not one for close combat. Sniping is my game. Pick him off from a distance. :devil I'll be getting some range practice next month in a reunion with some of my old army reserve friends. Looking forward to getting my hands on my old service rifle.
We have something in common! ;) Here is my son learning on both iron sights and scope. https://vimeo.com/120976716
Title: Re: Emergency food, long-term storage for lazy people like me
Post by: FX1 on August 27, 2015, 08:55:27 PM
Mine is really easy except the skills needed to obtain my food. It takes years of practice and dedication to gains such skills. It makes me sad that their are people on the board that call out people like myself and don't have a clue what skills are needed to be self sustaining.
1. Remington 700 .270 and 500 rounds 2. Any scoped .22 with 5000 rounds
15 Chickens 3 Pigs, I can shoot wild pigs all day long but i like pork chops from a pink pig..
A good knife and sharpener!!!
1/2 of my protein each year comes from wild game.
Eating rice and beans every day would be a very slow death for me.