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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: MADe on August 23, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
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what is the projected texture fill rate of AH3 gonna be?
trying to decide between a gtx 960 and a gtx 970..............
960 has a better base clock MHz, the 970 has 20%+/- better fill rate capacity.
both have 4Gb ddr5 vram
big price difference.
for my purposes, if you said that AH3 would use a fill rate of +/-40GT/s, I would prolly settle on the 960, but if the fill rate was up to say 60GT/s I would opt for the 970.
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I don't know what it is in alpha, but I just installed the gtx960 with 4gb, it works flawlessly, with 45 - 60 fps.
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As your post shows, the base clock isn't the only factor in performance. Actually, for almost a decade the fastest stock clocks have been above 1000 MHz, Radeon HD 2600 and 2900 from 2007, GeForce GT 430 from 2010 being the first four digit ones I could find.
And I repeat, the alpha is still a work in progress. So far the only thing for sure is that the best card in the market will run AH3 very well. Most likely the second best would do equally well. Your question could be translated to: "What would be the cheapest card to run AH3 at my desired level of quality?" That question will remain unanswered until the release of the final product.
A known fact is that the new game will be more graphics intensive as the alpha shows, so the better card might be a better choice. Then again, until the release there will be changes in the video card market, too, maybe changing the pricing towards your budget.
If you can, wait. If you can't wait, get the best you can afford.
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I can wait, waitings easy, ah3 has a bit more to go in alpha, so theres no rush.
I just started paying attention again to cards and prices and I am looking for good buys and sales daily now.....if the right price pops up I might want to bite before necessary. new egg is always offering me specials, I have used them a bit. never a disappointment, so far, knock on wood.
the big 3,
base clck mhz
texture fill rate gt/s
bandwidth gb/s
I did not include ram cuz with all modern cards its a given, a card with less than 1gb ram is old...............
then of coarse you need cpu ghz that can push it.
edit;
question, is there such a thing as to much vram?
Would having a 4GB vram card where only 2GB are used cause a performance issue?
Would having a 4GB vram card in a system with a total of 6GB ram have a performance issue?
:salute
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Band width and data paths are a good place to project outcomes with this game. Then shader processors since the game is shader intensive.
GTX 600 Series. I believe this is Hitech's video card.
660
Data Paths - 192bit
Band Width - 144.2 G byte sec.
Shader Processors - 960
GTX 900 Series.
960
Data Paths - 128bit
Band Width - 112 G byte sec.
Shader Processors - 1024
Read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce-gtx-970-correcting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation/2
970
Data Paths - 224+32 bit
Band Width - 196+28 G byte sec.
Shader Processors - 1664
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ty
good read
I could just get the 2GB ver of 970 I like, have you heard if the vram is allocated the same way for less vram?
4gb is somewhat excessive but I was thinking down the road, maybe I just do not need that much.
but then.......
http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/89/much-vram-need-1080p-1440p-4k/index.html
I will be using 1080p @ 60MHz, 1920x1080
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Why not just get a 980 and not worry about the Godzilla level over kill.
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Why not just get a 980 and not worry about the Godzilla level over kill.
purely a question of expense from the 960 and up.
1- I just need what will play ah3 with all settings and effects enabled.
2- I like some hardware overhead for aging purposes, hence 2d or 3rd level grade video cards.
3- on sale!
Since my pc is just a toy to play AH, I need to justify a bit, on what I spend money on with it.
ie: do I spend $500 to get a better vid card for "just" AH3? this is essentially what I am doing........
I do not want to spend $500 on a vid card right now, I do want a card that will age well and handle some of the future changes, ie: a 4K screen
One thing I know, build for a high end game computer, it will work for anything else you need from it. looking for that balance. I got great mileage out of my gtx 260's, they are still in service, but things have changed so.......................
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I do not want to spend $500 on a vid card right now, I do want a card that will age well and handle some of the future changes, ie: a 4K screen
Hmmm... That might be a mission impossible. You are aware that 4K equals to four 1080's, aren't you? Same as adding one more to a triple monitor system. There's no cheap way to prepare for playable 4K. Probably when 4K is as common as 1080p today, the mid range cards will be up to the task with reasonable limitations.
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The angst over the specs for a kiddy game seemed misplaced. Give it a few years and the 980 will be looked back on as an over priced Godzilla to the next guy angsting over the current Godzilla game play standards.
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Hmmm... That might be a mission impossible. You are aware that 4K equals to four 1080's, aren't you? Same as adding one more to a triple monitor system. There's no cheap way to prepare for playable 4K. Probably when 4K is as common as 1080p today, the mid range cards will be up to the task with reasonable limitations.
yes/no, the 970 will do the job, its effective 3.5gb vram is plenty good. its got everything the 980 has minus 1 controller, for +/-$150 less. yes its not a 980 but its still way overkill for AH3 and 3 years from now 4K screens will be cheaper. It will handle 4K screens.
I'm interested in the DSR function. The card will render for a 4K screen, then scale it down to 1080p. At the cost of card performance???? Literature states that this is like an anti-aliasing technique......
I read up on what bustr linked in and I cannot see that as an issue for my purposes. I doubt the game will ever push that much. I'm good with 1080p. My eyes cannot see any difference anyways after 1080p.
I was looking at the Gigabyte G1 model, $358 bucks. I have gigabyte mobos and like them a lot. The G1 seems to have good reviews, but the price is my outside limit. I like the fan and heatsink layout. I always hated the evga encasement method, but luv the performance. I have several evga cards.
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The angst over the specs for a kiddy game seemed misplaced. Give it a few years and the 980 will be looked back on as an over priced Godzilla to the next guy angsting over the current Godzilla game play standards.
not aingst. I like building things. I like to plan and then execute my projects. I was given some good links and spiked some watermelon man. :salute
Hopefully, if I did my homework, I will make a purchase and then not come back saying help me, it doesn't work. waaaaaaaaa. or how come.....
:x
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I'm interested in the DSR function. The card will render for a 4K screen, then scale it down to 1080p. At the cost of card performance???? Literature states that this is like an anti-aliasing technique......
It's technically supersampling, where you render the scene at 2 times, or 4 times the screen size, and then scale it down. I use this in Sniper Elite V2 without using the DSR function (it is part of the game's video options) and turn antialiasing off. When you do that on a 4k display the result is pretty amazing. DSR is something that will be nice if they ever get it working with SLI, or once the next generation of Nvidia video cards (Pascal) gets here. I'm hoping for some news on that soon, but even though I would like to see a new GPU within eight months every indication is that it will probably be another year, or even more.
Supersampling is another feature that could be added to AH3, but there has not been any talk about it that I have heard about. Hitech surprised us with a new antialiasing trick recently, so you never know what can happen before they finish.
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yes/no, the 970 will do the job
Ahh, 970 yes probably, depending on other variables such as polygon count. I was thinking about the 960 you mentioned as the lowest option:purely a question of expense from the 960 and up.
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yes/no, the 970 will do the job, its effective 3.5gb vram is plenty good. its got everything the 980 has minus 1 controller, for +/-$150 less. yes its not a 980 but its still way overkill for AH3 and 3 years from now 4K screens will be cheaper. It will handle 4K screens.
I'm interested in the DSR function. The card will render for a 4K screen, then scale it down to 1080p. At the cost of card performance???? Literature states that this is like an anti-aliasing technique......
I read up on what bustr linked in and I cannot see that as an issue for my purposes. I doubt the game will ever push that much. I'm good with 1080p. My eyes cannot see any difference anyways after 1080p.
I was looking at the Gigabyte G1 model, $358 bucks. I have gigabyte mobos and like them a lot. The G1 seems to have good reviews, but the price is my outside limit. I like the fan and heatsink layout. I always hated the evga encasement method, but luv the performance. I have several evga cards.
The 970 is not going to be a good card for 4K monitors. By the time 4K monitors are the norm, the texture sizes of games will have also expanded and the 3.5GB of video RAM is going to be a huge bottleneck for a 4K monitor. Some games are already showing that to be a problem.
The 970 is the best bang for the buck card in the HD (1920x1080) market though.
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The 970 is not going to be a good card for 4K monitors. By the time 4K monitors are the norm, the texture sizes of games will have also expanded and the 3.5GB of video RAM is going to be a huge bottleneck for a 4K monitor. Some games are already showing that to be a problem.
The 970 is the best bang for the buck card in the HD (1920x1080) market though.
best bang for the buck is my middle name. That link I put up showed many games hitting above 3.5gb now with the higher resolutions and latest games.
But $500+ for a vid card, makes me sweat. Actually I really only want to spend 960 prices but the performance/cost ratio is so good I'm jumping to the 970. Plus a 970 should drive my monitor like theres no tomorrow. 1080p, beautiful picture, led. Give me a taste of what the new Maxwell architecture, RAID array style striping read/write of vram.
moar speed captain.....
evga or gigabyte, decisions, decisions...have good experiences with both hardware makers................
The new fxaa is very nice. I have AA off in all areas and I get minimum jaggies.
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Wait for Pascal. They should all have much more VRAM, but I can't speak to price issues.
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the 970 drives the game in 1440p just fine :aok
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Wait for Pascal. They should all have much more VRAM, but I can't speak to price issues.
I would say that if there is a video wall to be hit, in my current pc config, then the 970 is it. I will be dumping it into a 2.0 slot to begin with. I should get a great match up anyways, I think.
newegg dropped the price to $329, w/$20 rebate, that's $309, for the gigabyte g1 I'm about ready to bite. not gonna get much better offer unless used or refurb, which I shy away from.
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http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-graphics-cards/
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They are correct about the 980 Ti, and the 970. I have all of them, and still see games crashing in 4k. They are correct in that article at PCGamer that you can do 4k, but there are still issues. Number one is that most titles were created with options that are still not possible at 4k (the Supersampling option for one). You can use SS, but if you mix it with other options like AA, or 4K textures you could easily fill even 6Gigs of memory. SS usually comes with options to render at SS 2.25, or 4.0, which is 1.5 times higher resolution, or double resolution. If you mix 4k textures, 4k shadows, AA at x8, and SS at 4.0 you are going to crash your game. The whole point is to determine the limits and once you find those limits leave the options alone. You do not need 4k textures at 4k resolution, or AA either, so you can save yourself a lot of room in memory by just turning those off.
Since you are planning on sticking to HD resolutions the 970 is perfect for you. The commenters in the PC Gamer 4k topic failed to see the one advantage in 4k gaming that is important to someone in my age category. Screen size makes it easier to aim.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-125-684&utm_medium=BehEmail&nm_mc=EMCPB-082015&cm_mmc=EMCPB-082015-_-PB-_-Item-_-14-125-684&et_cid=20924&et_rid=587284&et_p1=&email64=c3B5a25lZUB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldA==
I bit.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-125-684&utm_medium=BehEmail&nm_mc=EMCPB-082015&cm_mmc=EMCPB-082015-_-PB-_-Item-_-14-125-684&et_cid=20924&et_rid=587284&et_p1=&email64=c3B5a25lZUB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldA==
I bit.
Hey MADe, let us know how she works out when you get this 970 installed................
:salute
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sure thing altho the real test would be ah3 released. I will run some benchies and post.
I decided on g1 cuz it had 1 more fan, dual bios, slightly higher stock clock speed, any bad review was the same complaint for all manufacturers.
it was, $358, but I placed it in my newegg cart along with the evga equivalent. newegg dropped the price on the g1 while I was contemplating which 1 to get. g1, with rebate, will be $309/ free delivery.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-125-684&utm_medium=BehEmail&nm_mc=EMCPB-082015&cm_mmc=EMCPB-082015-_-PB-_-Item-_-14-125-684&et_cid=20924&et_rid=587284&et_p1=&email64=c3B5a25lZUB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldA==
ordered sunday, 4-7 business day delivery. Its Tuesday late, the G1 is online. I luv Newegg...
preliminary, alpha rocks at 55-60fps. The 970 eats the AH coding now, cannot wait for the final release.
I have DSR enabled, global mode, all profile options are off, or at 3D app setting, high performance.... same settings I was using. card is very quiet.
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It would be interesting to benchmark a few of our cards to see how different setups perform. It took me a couple weeks to decide on a 390 8gb vs a 970 4gb. I wish i could have bought both but i ended up going with the 390 . We should figure out a way to bench them in the alpha and see how it turns out.
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You gentlemen with PC that can run NVIDIA 900 series or AMD R200-300 series, know you will never have any problems with the alpha. The alpha is to get everyone else's antique cards and PC, with in reason, to work in the new game. In PC life spans, 3 years is just on the line for some. Think about all the guys who have 5-10 year old hardware who still have to feed their families.
This post is turning into Model A Day rally with a few people showing up in original 1960's Rally Mini-Coopers competing in the rally for the apple pie at the finish line.
OK you guys win...... bon appétit... :aok
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win?
some of us have/had old cards. was nice to have peeps offer info on whats really important and necessary. anyone who is buying now, will be buying 900 series, and better. That's just whats out there. Skuzz did project that the final release "may" need a 1GB minimum vram card.
the rest of my pc is just as old to, but I planned ahead when I built it, it will handle a titan if I wanted.
I got the 970 based on price, a 960 or 950 would prolly work fine for even less. its important that you have a cpu with some ghz to drive it. nothing less than 3.6GHz cpu would do, imo.
1st Unigine Valley benchie was 5100......
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If I recall correctly, on my last two upgrades I spent around $300 each time. That was a time span of about 4 to 5 years, grabbing the minimal each time and using a lot of things that were donated and scrounged to boot.
I say that is a pretty great bargain to get that kind of bump in that ballpark pricing, especially since we are anticipating the new coad to rely heavily on gpu. However, I am still very hopeful that my last upgrade will hold up as it does seem to be capable.
So, congratulations folks, it is good news and does encourage me to continue to experiment with SLI and keep the eagle eye out for some basement bargains. Eventually I might be due for an upgrade, but I am encouraged that, right now, I can feel fortunate enough to invest $2000 into 4 wheel drive backup vehicle for work, rather than stashing $1000 for one of those mega cards.
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Wasnt trying to offend anyone bustr..... but alot of people are wondering what card to upgrade to in the near future, so why not put up some info that would help them decide? The cards we are talking about are right around the 300 dollar range , not some 6-700 dollar cards .
Oh and BTW, i have a family to feed as well.
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1st Unigine Valley benchie was 5100......
Excellent, MADe!
That's a very good score.
Hope you enjoy it!
See ya up there!
:salute
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Excellent, MADe!
That's a very good score.
Hope you enjoy it!
See ya up there!
:salute
That is a great score! Which preset did you run ?
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Wasnt trying to offend anyone bustr..... but alot of people are wondering what card to upgrade to in the near future, so why not put up some info that would help them decide? The cards we are talking about are right around the 300 dollar range , not some 6-700 dollar cards .
Oh and BTW, i have a family to feed as well.
We are wondering too. Seriously, it is an Alpha. There is no way to really know what the final numbers are going to be until we get passed Beta. There really is no reason to be in a rush to upgrade. It is not like we are going to shut down the arenas tomorrow and release the Alpha.
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1st Unigine Valley benchie was 5100......
Valley is not that great a benchmark, IMO. SLI does not seem to make much difference for one thing, and my Quadro M6000 benches higher than the GTX 980, which should not be (6771, vs 6118). I pushed not only the CPU (4.4GHz), but the GPU also (+250, +499). Bench is around 5300 without OC.
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Valley is not that great a benchmark, IMO. SLI does not seem to make much difference for one thing, and my Quadro M6000 benches higher than the GTX 980, which should not be (6771, vs 6118). I pushed not only the CPU (4.4GHz), but the GPU also (+250, +499). Bench is around 5300 without OC.
I do not think SLI is what its cracked up to be. To me its a marketing ploy to sell more middle range cards. I ran sli for many years, benched and played with it, not impressed at all. imo
Skuzzy said it, theres no hurry. I will be surprised if its not another year till AH3 release. This means to me that theres time to hunt around and get the deal and card that's best for your current pc setup. This means a nice thread with peeps input is worth it now, to get right for later.
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Properly setup an SLI system will very nearly double (not quite 2x, but something like 1.95x) performance for each additional card you add. This gets to be fairly important for incident recreation cases where the court does not have the patience to wait for a render to finish. Enthusiast systems like we use for games max out at four cards, typically, which is more than enough for most games. The only place you run into trouble is where the user does not understand the memory limitations and they use up the benefits with extreme anti-aliasing (for instance).
I know firsthand what SLI can do, because I use it to produce animations regularly. Last quarter the other students were struggling to get renders done in the final week with the process running for days. When it got down to the two hour mark my instructor pointed out an issue with my rendering, and I had it rendered again and handed in within ten minutes time. There just isn't any comparison.
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You can read about Pascal here:
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/17/pascal/
I do not think we will be able to just buy a Pascal GPU for our current systems. It sounds like they are talking about an entirely new architecture for the motherboards., but I hope that's wrong.
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Holy crap Chalenge ..... whats it take to run that ? 1.21 gigawatts? lol
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Chalenge, how much money does that dang thing cost please ?
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dsr at 1.5.
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dsr off
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sweetfx enabled, dsr off