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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1Cane on August 29, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
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This morning with less than 100 players online I detected what I thought would be bombers heading for strats. Upped in a fighter and tried for an intercept course. I was too late reaching the bombers before they dropped their load. But I did have visual on the bogey. So continued climb and pursued for at least a sector if not a sector and 1/2. After finally reaching 27,000 I was 5k behind buffs when they bailed.
What a monumental waste of time! I feel that if you have icon range on a set of buffs you should get the kill. This has got to be one of the biggest FU"s in the game. :bhead
So what are the options
Ignore any strat raider?
Spend countless hours climbing to a target that bails out when you close on him?
Spend countless hours trying to intercept before they get to the strats and maybe they will bail out before reaching target
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Although annoying, I have changed my state of mind from getting angry at them, to feeling sorry for them when they do this.
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I just don't understand this, they reached their objective, so now a good fight can be had.
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I just don't understand this, they reached their objective, so now a good fight can be had.
It takes a lot of reps in buffs to gain the confidence needed to want to fight. Gunning is not easy. For such a run as described above there is a lot of doing nothing for a long time. The biggest impact players like this feel they have is to destroy as many strategic targets as possible in the time they have.
By intercepting the nme buff after the drop fighting you would have been wasted time in his mind because he obviously lacks the skill to shoot you down. That is the difference between little boy buffs and big boys. Obviously the right thing to do would have been allow you to engage.
What I have come to notice is how a player climbs tells a lot about how to handle him. Sometimes instead of running its good to throttle back and bring the fight to the enemy before he has an alt advantage. When you rush a player in buffs it sets a high tempo. The worst thing a buff pilot can do is allow the nme to control the pace of the fight.
To you Cane all can say is tough luck on all that time wasted. Nothing will change except how you handle it next time. I would just encourage you to keep defending strategic targets and fighting your nme with all you got! :salute
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It takes a lot of reps in buffs to gain the confidence needed to want to fight. Gunning is not easy. For such a run as described above there is a lot of doing nothing for a long time. The biggest impact players like this feel they have is to destroy as many strategic targets as possible in the time they have.
By intercepting the nme buff after the drop fighting you would have been wasted time in his mind because he obviously lacks the skill to shoot you down. That is the difference between little boy buffs and big boys. Obviously the right thing to do would have been allow you to engage.
What I have come to notice is how a player climbs tells a lot about how to handle him. Sometimes instead of running its good to throttle back and bring the fight to the enemy before he has an alt advantage. When you rush a player in buffs it sets a high tempo. The worst thing a buff pilot can do is allow the nme to control the pace of the fight.
To you Cane all can say is tough luck on all that time wasted. Nothing will change except how you handle it next time. I would just encourage you to keep defending strategic targets and fighting your nme with all you got! :salute
That's BS, in real war you don't bail after you bomb a base. Nor do you fly without friendlies perfecting you. Bomber gunning is the easiest way to shoot in the game. Besides lancs, the other ones take all your ammo to kill and easily can kill in seconds if they have good aim.
Bailing after bombing should be very punishable for the bomber pilot. It's not the defenders fault for climbing to defend his territory. You've essentially given up the point to even try to defend anymore in the first place. So you and your buds can bomb away and bail like losers because they can't handle an enemy plane attacking them. Too bad, they should have had a fighter escort.
I agree with cane, this is a major disgrace to the pilot who takes the time to engage in the attacker.
Bombers should be more difficult to gun with if they are going to be as strong as they are, and there needs to be a system that hurts this bomb and bail mentality. It's not justified by the defending team what so ever.
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I've bombed strats and then made it home in one crippled bomber. Like 9s says, if you ain't dying you ain't having fun.
This is hard for some to believe but I often think by engaging a con the joy and opportunity I'm giving them. If they shoot me down I know they had fun. If I shoot them down, I had fun and actually fun both ways.
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The most epic flights I've had are making it home after bombing deep into enemy territory.
Perhaps we could have a "hall of shame" thread in the films and screenshots sub-forum............if we can promise to simply title your post what happened without naming names.
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Although annoying, I have changed my state of mind from getting angry at them, to feeling sorry for them when they do this.
Yep. The are missing out on the fun this game should be.
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If they bail all damage done on the bomb run is instantly repaired.
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Not sure why they are bothering to fly back really. Would be MUCH quicker to bail after your bombs hit, rather than to attempt flying back only to bail when someone comes for you. :headscratch: That being said...
Someone said gunning is not easy?
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While these are from a small time ago, still applies.
If any bomb and bail-er are calling themselves a bomber pilot, now THAT's a joke. :rofl
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i was once in a longer range mission. saw a fighter come up to intercept me, after 20 or so minutes of him chasing me and not attacking, i got bored, so I bailed.
oh welll it happens.
semp
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i was once in a longer range mission. saw a fighter come up to intercept me, after 20 or so minutes of him chasing me and not attacking, i got bored, so I bailed.
oh welll it happens.
semp
I have that happen quite a bit. They are looking for that perfect angle. Generally I start climbing and turning. I took one guy so high his plane couldn't hardly climb.
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Agree with the OP, it should be the same for fighters as well as bombers, any points or perks earned during your flight should be lost if you can't RTB. The awards should come only if you return to a friendly base.
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If you don't get any points or perks when getting killed, player will be much less willing to take any risks at all. I don't you'd like the impact of that on gameplay...
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If you don't get any points or perks when getting killed, player will be much less willing to take any risks at all. I don't you'd like the impact of that on game play...
I doubt HTC will make any kind of change to the strategy of the game, hasn't changed since the beginning. but would be interesting and because nothing strategy wise ever changes in the game we will never know what type of impact such a change would have on game play. But it would make it more real world and solve the bomb and bail issue. You can only speak for your self, as I for my self, I know I would find it more of a challenge where as you stated would be less willing to take any risks, but that's just you and me. I know many on my squad would love it. I'm just looking for any type of change to the strategy of Aces High, because it's getting a little old. If in fact there was a negative impact they could always change it back. Or even better, create a new arena like the MA with the new strategy.
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If they bail all damage done on the bomb run is instantly repaired.
This is the perfect answer. :aok
And when hangars or other targets are magically regenerated, people will whine but it will be no different than the magic timed repair system already in place. Bombing and bailing will likely cease to exist at that point. :ahand
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I feel that if you have icon range on a set of buffs you should get the kill.
+1 :aok
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Won't stop people from nose diving their buffs.
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Won't stop people from nose diving their buffs.
It might if only damage from enemy players or ack constitutes an allowable bail out.
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It's cowardly gameplay. It would be much more fun to battle it out win or loose.
Rather than invoke a negative solution to the problem by doing something to the bailer add some form of hardness to the nearby strat.
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It's cowardly gameplay. It would be much more fun to battle it out win or loose.
Rather than invoke a negative solution to the problem by doing something to the bailer add some form of hardness to the nearby strat.
oh, I liked the original reply MUCH better :t
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Won't stop people from nose diving their buffs.
it will if the bomber receives no points or rewards for failing to RTB.
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If you bomb and bail or land and ditch you shouldn't get any points.
If you bail within icon range the fighter should get the kills.
Any damage that you have done is instantly repaired if you bail or ditch.
Nosediving into the ground should also be considered a ditch, Thus not getting any perks/score/damage done.
People who bomb and bail or bail once they see a enemy should not be rewarded.
Perks for bombing strategic targets should have bonus perks. double perks for killing fighters and for damage done.
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If you don't get any points or perks when getting killed, player will be much less willing to take any risks at all. I don't you'd like the impact of that on gameplay...
Agreed.
I fly so rarely now, that if we were to lose all perks gained in a sortie when shot down, I wouldn't bother logging into the MA at all. What would be the point? Only reason I'd keep my account active is for FSO/Scenario's. But if my account were to lapse, I wouldn't bother renewing since I generally can't participate (depending on work schedule) in FSO/Scenario's all the time.
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If you don't get any points or perks when getting killed, player will be much less willing to take any risks at all. I don't you'd like the impact of that on gameplay...
I wouldn't take it that far either.
Bailing bombers do need to be chastized though.
Ditching is one thing. And that is fine IMO to the game.
Bombers who bail undamaged should reap some sort of consequence or not be allowed to bail. It's not cool for the defender to waist this time for nothing.
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Nosediving into the ground should also be considered a ditch, Thus not getting any perks/score/damage done.
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Not sure how HTC can tell the difference between a pilot nosediving into the ground or a pilot flying NOE that clips a tree?
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Nothing is going to change so I think people who decide to intercept should change the way they go about this.
Its like after all these years some of you folks still havent figured it out. Just know that if you come up to fight me you will get the fight you have earned.
I respect those who up to stop me and look forward to it in thw future against you all! :salute For me there is nothing more entertaining in the gaming world then flying buffs no matter the alt and fighting you wonderful virtual pilots.
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We should have a callout system triggered by a pilot bailing out within a certain amount of time of bombs impacting target unless they are shot down. Nothing changes except they get shamed.
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If you bail within icon range the fighter should get the kills.
Needs to be a lot more than icon range.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/l8i5wg9281s5r1t/early_war_bail.ahf
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I 2nd Lyric's idea with the addition of one other thing.
The player in question is forced to send in a selfie of their face only (however ugly it is) this is then mocked up into a western style wanted pic with added facial hair and then posted on social media and the homepage. for Crimes against sporting gameplay. Whoever kills them the most over the next week gets rewarded.
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Why having the option to bail at all? Why does it matter if u go down with the plane or not?
Only advantage w being able to bail is that u can run to the MR and kill a few troops but its no loss for most players if we werent able to do it.
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it will if the bomber receives no points or rewards for failing to RTB.
same for the fighter that refused to attack a bomber within icon range.
semp
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:old:
NEVER bail out over the town you just bombed...
I agree. There should be a consequence or at least award the kill if within icon range IMHO
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Gunning is not easy.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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What's worse than bomb and bail? When you have 29 ENY and can't get an effective plane for B17s up to them at 35k.
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What's worse than bomb and bail? When you have 29 ENY and can't get an effective plane for B17s up to them at 35k.
Mossies can get there, and have cannon.
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Not sure how HTC can tell the difference between a pilot nosediving into the ground or a pilot flying NOE that clips a tree?
I do. Would be willing to tell Hitech directly.
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Just more of the same.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/61btb1y2s6663bc/more_of_the_same.ahf
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oh, I liked the original reply MUCH better :t
Lol..I liked it too but since some have concern about the volume of players I thought a positive solution might keep players from pork-n-bailing and keep players on as paying customers.
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Right now it's euro primetime. Very scarce action with barely 100 players all over a huge map. So against better knowledge I up for that darbar inbound our city. Right as I get coalt with the B17s at 34K he bails.
More and more I have the feeling I'm just wasting my time here.
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Right now it's euro primetime. Very scarce action with barely 100 players all over a huge map. So against better knowledge I up for that darbar inbound our city. Right as I get coalt with the B17s at 34K he bails.
More and more I have the feeling I'm just wasting my time here.
I don't understand why people would rather bail than just fight it out. I just can't wrap my mind around it. It's not like you can't up a new plane(which you would have to do anyway if you bail), or have to pay more money that month, or anything else. If anything, I prefer the action... makes it more exciting.
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I don't understand why people would rather bail than just fight it out.
This particular one wasn't bailing just to avoid the fight, he was bailing because he had bombed the target and didn't want to spend the time flying home. 'Efficiency', you know.
Besides, a B-17 at 34k+ has pretty good chances to keep a single fighter at bay long enough to make it home with at least 1 bomber.
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Right now it's euro primetime. Very scarce action with barely 100 players all over a huge map. So against better knowledge I up for that darbar inbound our city. Right as I get coalt with the B17s at 34K he bails.
More and more I have the feeling I'm just wasting my time here.
Although it may have limited value, I apologize that this happened to you, I would hate to see you leave this game sir.
Snailman is my friend :)
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If you don't get any points or perks when getting killed, player will be much less willing to take any risks at all. I don't you'd like the impact of that on gameplay...
This maybe a minor factor, but I don't think that Buffs get any points for killing fighters.
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This maybe a minor factor, but I don't think that Buffs get any points for killing fighters.
There you go. There is no "kills" section in Bomber rankings. Do you get perks for buff kills?
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You don't get kill credit or points for killing fighters in a bomber but you do get perk points for killing fighters. Granted I don't really care about score, but I do wish kills at showed up for bombers rather than just being 0 all the time.
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I think its hilarious. If you wouldnt waste your time trying to chase them down for an easy kill, you wouldn't get mad. Stop crying and learn to fight instead of chasing the easy stuff.
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High bombers are by no means an easy kill, especially if they are good gunners.
Even Lancs can be difficult If you don't get enough warning time to get above them. And with 33K KI-67's B-17's and B29's I'm happy If I Kill 1 before I die.
I takes patience and planning to intercept them or even to make a 2nd or 3rd pass, many fighters want to fall out of the sky if you aren't gentle on the controls, and turning around too fast slows you down to where you are a sitting duck for gunners or even outrun by the buffs.
I will admit to bailing on bomber runs once in a while but only after I drop and only if I don't see anyone trying to come up for me. Last time I posted on 200 that I was at 24K hitting Bish city and no one came. :cry
lately I've seen bombers turn around 2 sectors from their target and fly back home, or go off the map and then bail after I follow them there. :angry:
Why not at least try to get your bombs out before you bail????
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I have that happen quite a bit. They are looking for that perfect angle. Generally I start climbing and turning. I took one guy so high his plane couldn't hardly climb.
They are probably waiting for you to land. Ive had that happen a few times, had a guy follow me across the map in a long range fighter just to strafe me when I land. If I'd see that now I'd just bail. Following bombers for 1/2 hour to kill them on the strip is 4 day old road kill.
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I think its hilarious. If you wouldnt waste your time trying to chase them down for an easy kill, you wouldn't get mad. Stop crying and learn to fight instead of chasing the easy stuff.
Oh yes! That's definitely what we should do. Just leave those poor wittle bomber pilots alone, they aren't hurting anyone. I'm sure that is what Dale meant when he designed them too........err.....wait....he gave the defensive guns, now why would he do that? I understand that killing bomber pilots may not be everyone's favorite thing BiP, and that's fine, you get to make that choice. How would you like it however if every time you engaged someone they just bailed on you? Yeah, that would be a whole lot of fun...................
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If you wouldnt waste your time trying to chase them down for an easy kill,
Sometimes. A significant number of times no way.
For the new players: there is an ideal way to kill bombers where you have a greater degree of success and living. Then there is the jump on their 6 and take your chances technique. It is an art like countering any other plane type in this game. Attacking bombers in a manner that you tend to live takes time to setup. Cant easily be done even with one con around.
If you just "happen" to be in the right vector (alt, speed, heading...) when you encounter a set of bombers lucky for you!
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Don't feed the troll, it sustains him and encourages him to continue.
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I like coming up dead six and giving them a chance to land hits while I am doing the same.
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Oh yes! That's definitely what we should do. Just leave those poor wittle bomber pilots alone, they aren't hurting anyone. I'm sure that is what Dale meant when he designed them too........err.....wait....he gave the defensive guns, now why would he do that? I understand that killing bomber pilots may not be everyone's favorite thing BiP, and that's fine, you get to make that choice. How would you like it however if every time you engaged someone they just bailed on you? Yeah, that would be a whole lot of fun...................
Them bailing never bothered me.
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I will not bomb and bail if someone is chasing me until after I shoot him down or he gets me. However, if no one is after me or I shoot an attacker down I will often bail if I have something else to do, such as saving a vbase from a sneak attempt etc. Yesterday I shot a guy down, then bailed, then got rage PMed by the guy for disappearing from radar... Whats up with that?
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This is going beyond high alt bombers.
Tonight in the MA...
Climbed to 12k to intercept a con, he see's me and bails.
Went to a flashing vBase only to have the incoming GV bail when he saw my Panther.
Its all about the sneak and they can't be bothered with the fight.
Am seeing it more and more :(
Another thing which is getting rampant is a lot won't fight in a 1 on 1 situation. They have to out number you to attack. I had 3 Bish in ack tonight and it was only when a fourth high pony turned up that they all decided it was safe to come out and gang me of course. At least it started a fight :P
NG<S>
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This is going beyond high alt bombers.
Tonight in the MA...
Climbed to 12k to intercept a con, he see's me and bails.
Went to a flashing vBase only to have the incoming GV bail when he saw my Panther.
Its all about the sneak and they can't be bothered with the fight.
Am seeing it more and more :(
Another thing which is getting rampant is a lot won't fight in a 1 on 1 situation. They have to out number you to attack. I had 3 Bish in ack tonight and it was only when a fourth high pony turned up that they all decided it was safe to come out and gang me of course. At least it started a fight :P
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The other day this happened over and over. Just as soon as someone upped the gv would tower. I suspect they had a shade telling them when someone was up. It was at a deacked vbase.
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Same old same old.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ccknnuhs2rzus9k/bomb_bail_early_war_today_0146.ahf
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Same old same old.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ccknnuhs2rzus9k/bomb_bail_early_war_today_0146.ahf
It amazes me after all these years you just havent learned have you.....
People dont play this game the way you want it to. Im not praising the bomb-and-bail player but the very fact that people like yourself up fully expecting it to be a fair and honest fight baffles me. Then comig on here to rant expecting something out of it. I completly understand your frustation. Time wasted is time wasted but you get no sympathy from me I have learned it comes with the game. :bhead There is no honor among most in virtual warfare especially buffs in early and midwar. If I up in any of those arenas I check the roster as im lifting. I have learned who fights and assume the rest will bail. If you come across me though I will give you the fight you upped for! :salute
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In my earlier years it bothered me. I'd up, get within icon range and watch a bomber bail out.
Even had a guy text on 200 he wasn't going to let me get a kill on his bombers. :airplane:
At the time, I was shocked. I no longer let it bother me. My policy on the bomb and bail issue is this. If I can detect bombers early enough to intercept before the drop, I'll take the time to up. If the deed is done, I usually move along now.
If I am in bombers, I am sure as heck going to try to kill you as many times as I can so I can land damage and kills.
The funny thing about the bomb and bail guy I am talking about is that he didn't realize I suck at killing bombers. I try new things on different types of bombers and I still haven't figured it out yet. The fun for me is learning from those runs.
:rock
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The bomb and bail losers in the game are most likely also losers in real life; expect instant gratification for no effort, everything is someone else's fault, i-want-a-trophy-for-last-place type of guys.
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This morning with less than 100 players online I detected what I thought would be bombers heading for strats. Upped in a fighter and tried for an intercept course. I was too late reaching the bombers before they dropped their load. But I did have visual on the bogey. So continued climb and pursued for at least a sector if not a sector and 1/2. After finally reaching 27,000 I was 5k behind buffs when they bailed.
What a monumental waste of time! I feel that if you have icon range on a set of buffs you should get the kill. This has got to be one of the biggest FU"s in the game. :bhead
So what are the options
Ignore any strat raider?
Spend countless hours climbing to a target that bails out when you close on him?
Spend countless hours trying to intercept before they get to the strats and maybe they will bail out before reaching target
Bailers should give a kill to the closest player to them WVR. Period.
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This last one he posted looks like a newb.
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Some people are lame. They're lame, because they're parents were also lame. Lame, is a genetic thing.. it just happens.
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Bailers should give a kill to the closest player to them WVR. Period.
This should be added. If you can see their dot and bail you should get the kill, Way to many Bomb-and-bailers see a dot and immediately bail. I don't understand why people bail. Why even fly a bomber if you're just going to bail as soon as you see resistance? Bomb-and-bailers have caused me to record all my flights automatically. If someone bombs and bails I will call you out on 200.
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Some people are lame. They're lame, because they're parents were also lame. Lame, is a genetic thing.. it just happens.
You're lame. I am flying around the arena without a wingman. What's your excuse for this treachery, mister?
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lol you all are just mad because they won't let you shoot them down. they pay to play the way they want,not the way you want.
maybe they are not good enough gunners. but like it was said it's their loss,they spend all that time climbing just to drop their payload then bail. it's a fact in this CARTOON GAME-get over it.
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lol you all are just mad because they won't let you shoot them down. they pay to play the way they want,not the way you want.
maybe they are not good enough gunners. but like it was said it's their loss,they spend all that time climbing just to drop their payload then bail. it's a fact in this CARTOON GAME-get over it.
See my post above... then double down!
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How about ....
Something similar to troop drops.
If you bomb the strats and then reup within 20 (could be any set time) minutes, assuming you are not shot down, then the damage to the strats resets.