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Title: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 01:05:53 AM
I have been experimenting as much as possible since April flying sets of B-17G's in ever situation this game has to offer. It has lead to a lot of deaths at the hand of my enemies. It has also lead to many victories on every level of the game.
Now think about this real quick! B-17's can be flown in a way that allow spectacular dogfights. Even with a full set using the yoyo effect of the drones this bird can be a formidable force. With that said 1/3 times I am simply ate up if i try to engage this way.
Max ceiling under 8k. It's very possible to go into nme airspace and pick of a few at the expense of 1 or 2 drones. When engaging gv's 17's are a pure nightmare. I upped from a base last week that was being taken and within my first minute of playing I score 4 kills on gvs in town and 2 fighters.
Im flying these thing like I would jabos and it really makes a huge difference. Being able to go to any base and destroy whatever i want, kill anything in the air or ground, and be able to survive if I really want to gives me an experience I cant find in any other plane. There is nothing like throwing buffs into the vertical, hitting shift x and smacking a pony in the face. From the nose whos also in the vertical, out of a loop dropping in at 12 o clock high, and keeps goings right into the ground in a trail of black smoke :rofl (hurt me pretty good to but i still was able to pork ords and score a 3 rd kill.)
If I want to hit a strat factory if it goes undefended it is nothing to 0% it by gunning it down if im lucky enough to kill the aa.
CV's are a piece of cake. If I have time i like to troll them in radar to get uppers but out of 5" range. Its nice when you can land kills and cv damage.
Will some of you add what you think makes 17s special in this game. Share some war stories :salute
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Zimme83 on September 01, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
Guess a set of B-17 can be an alternative for those hwo havent figured out how to use a fighter.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: NatCigg on September 01, 2015, 03:48:17 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/v5d3cm.gif)
well look at that.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
Guess a set of B-17 can be an alternative for those hwo havent figured out how to use a fighter.
it would make a great alternative for new players although I wouldnt recommend it. Its not as easy as some people say to defend a set in the guns. Sure against noobs but against average or good players you need skill.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: cobia38 on September 01, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
the only person that i would consider a master b17 weapon would be 999000
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Drano on September 01, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
I have been experimenting as much as possible since April flying sets of B-17G's in ever situation this game has to offer. It has lead to a lot of deaths at the hand of my enemies. It has also lead to many victories on every level of the game.
Now think about this real quick! B-17's can be flown in a way that allow spectacular dogfights. Even with a full set using the yoyo effect of the drones this bird can be a formidable force. With that said 1/3 times I am simply ate up if i try to engage this way.
Max ceiling under 8k. It's very possible to go into nme airspace and pick of a few at the expense of 1 or 2 drones. When engaging gv's 17's are a pure nightmare. I upped from a base last week that was being taken and within my first minute of playing I score 4 kills on gvs in town and 2 fighters.
Im flying these thing like I would jabos and it really makes a huge difference. Being able to go to any base and destroy whatever i want, kill anything in the air or ground, and be able to survive if I really want to gives me an experience I cant find in any other plane. There is nothing like throwing buffs into the vertical, hitting shift x and smacking a pony in the face. From the nose whos also in the vertical, out of a loop dropping in at 12 o clock high, and keeps goings right into the ground in a trail of black smoke :rofl (hurt me pretty good to but i still was able to pork ords and score a 3 rd kill.)
If I want to hit a strat factory if it goes undefended it is nothing to 0% it by gunning it down if im lucky enough to kill the aa.
CV's are a piece of cake. If I have time i like to troll them in radar to get uppers but out of 5" range. Its nice when you can land kills and cv damage.
Will some of you add what you think makes 17s special in this game. Share some war stories :salute
So your "expertise" comes from exploiting elements in the bomber's flight model instead of actual skill. To each his own I guess.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: ink on September 01, 2015, 01:56:30 PM
the only person that i would consider a master b17 weapon would be 999000
^ this! :aok
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: 10thmd on September 01, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
Any time I see a set of low 17's i always treat them with respect because 999000 is probably in them.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: bustr on September 01, 2015, 02:49:06 PM
Waystin's and my squad mate "Fish" cannot fly fighters how ever he try's. But, he can take out a box of B26, hit a field and take down a few things, then fly after fighters in the local furballs and return home with 3 kills almost every sortie. Or just fly after fighters and land a few. I gave up giving him 6 calls after he replied it was the only way he could get kills by letting them on his 6.
999 is so good he can cover a town against M3 and kill all of them. He defended a town against M3 trying to take it. I was one of the M3. We never got to the town and the flag turned on us. He bagged me at least 3 times no matter what I hid behind. He flew at tree top level, saw all of us and mowed us down with his box of B17. Most players would have done town defense in a cannon bird.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Aspen on September 01, 2015, 03:27:32 PM
Aside from being extremely dangerous in 17s, triple 9 is also a pleasure to play along side and against. To me, thats far and away more important than a player's skills.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: 999000 on September 01, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Posted by: Aspen « on: Today at 03:27:32 PM » Insert Quote
Aside from being extremely dangerous in 17s, triple 9 is also a pleasure to play along side and against. To me, thats far and away more important than a player's skills.
Aspen <S> Your right, being a pleasure to play with is by far the only thing that matters!
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 05:00:29 PM
Like how you guys make it about people instead of the plane. The sickness is strong with you.... :neener:
its about the birds... back to topic
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: cobia38 on September 01, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
you have alot to learn grasshopper, it is allways about the players,not the plane
No sir you are sadly mistaken. The plabe is what dictates what happens. I cant fly to base in a fighter and shut down multiple hangers. I cant defend a town against even 3 gvs in a fighter. I can however somewhat hold my own in a fighter when called apon.
To you and your goon pals I know what makes you giggidy. So proceed to make yourselves look silly. B17's are the ultimate weapon in this game for a plane thats not perked. So what if I have found a way to fly and use them like F35's.
The only thing that matters is what can you produce in this game. All that other crap is for the birds. B17's produce on every level at every altitude against any vehicle or aircraft, and against any player in this game.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
oh diddly ya Go B17's
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: cobia38 on September 01, 2015, 06:17:56 PM
No sir you are sadly mistaken. The plabe is what dictates what happens. I cant fly to base in a fighter and shut down multiple hangers. I cant defend a town against even 3 gvs in a fighter. I can however somewhat hold my own in a fighter when called apon.
To you and your goon pals I know what makes you giggidy. So proceed to make yourselves look silly. B17's are the ultimate weapon in this game for a plane thats not perked. So what if I have found a way to fly and use them like F35's.
The only thing that matters is what can you produce in this game. All that other crap is for the birds. B17's produce on every level at every altitude against any vehicle or aircraft, and against any player in this game.
The fact that you would want to shut down hangers tells me that you are not here for a fight.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: APDrone on September 01, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
The fact that you would want to shut down hangers tells me that you are not here for a fight.
Once again you poor folks are sadly mistaken. If the situation calls for it I can shut it down. Its all about the fight and taking the base. This is why my max alt going in is around 8k. Im looking to get to the deck as soon as the cap takes the bait on me.
I am always looking for a fight :neener: but if the situation calls for anything in this bird Im ready for it.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Wizz on September 01, 2015, 07:00:58 PM
he already pointed out he isn't any good in a fight so ya, that's his goal.
Just another "WOO-WHO!!!! Look at me game the game! I have leet skills!" :rolleyes:
Not about me... its about the bird.
But people of your kind in this game lack a certain skill called reading a thread before opening up about how you really feel which is the fact that you dont like me.
TO that I say....
:neener:
B17 is the most versatile attack aircraft in the game.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Mar on September 01, 2015, 07:06:21 PM
But people of your kind in this game lack a certain skill called reading a thread before opening up about how you really feel which is the fact that you dont like me.
TO that I say....
:neener:
B17 is the most versatile attack aircraft in the game.
What ever puts cream on your bagel. The point is, I know better, you only think you do. :aok
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: HawkerMKII on September 01, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
So your "expertise" comes from exploiting elements in the bomber's flight model instead of actual skill. To each his own I guess.
That's right Ack Ack!!! Because around a thousand kills in 6 months, a couple hundred million in damage, or little over 500 bases from the start of the year with less than 3 people just isnt good enough for you people :rofl
No one ever notices all the hours spent on strat runs or cv kills. Who gives a damn about how many hangers are killed or bunkers destroyed. Anyone can WF a town hell i can do it in 17's. No nothing is ever good enough, no one is better than the person reading this.
Its not about the player, if we are going to talk about me you simply cannot deny or confirm a dam word I say.
Hell I could just be making this all up but no its not about me :neener:
its about the plabe and what it is capable of in AH. I just wabt to see a few more buffs step out of the box and fly these dam planes the way they should have been flown in the war lol :rock
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Yankee67 on September 01, 2015, 08:53:44 PM
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Volron on September 01, 2015, 08:58:57 PM
I call BS. Flak is NEVER that heavy, unless someone has like 4 CV's clustered in 5 square feet of one another. :)
bro There is video proof just watch above :banana:
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Zoney on September 01, 2015, 11:43:41 PM
The reason that 999000 is the master of the b17's is because of how skilled he is in them. Someone who truly has the skills does not have to constantly come to the boards and declare how good he is, or explain how he is the master. You shall always be judged by your peers, and your opinion of how good you are has absolutely no value no matter how many times you create the same tired thread and declare your own greatness.
It is about the player, and how he conducts himself. You've been told that a thousand times...................
and
yet
you
still
just
don't
get
it.
Face it, what are the odds that everyone else is wrong and you are right?
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: artik on September 02, 2015, 03:21:48 AM
B-17 is my least favorite bomber - heavy, slow, trading bomb-load for defense armament. Its has only two strong sides: firm airframe and good defense armament. Its huge range is irrelevant for AH as there are no real strategic campaigns (beside SEA) and bomber use is purely tactical.
I like flying bombers - but when I fly bomber my mission is to destroy/damage a target and almost never want/try to get kills. I consider my mission as most successful when I don't even met a fighter in a way it can endanger me.
If you consider your job making efficient and effective damage to enemy targets than B-17 is least suitable bomber for the role as per player. It has huge turn around time due to slow climb/speed vs its payload.
My favorite bombers to get the job done are: Ki-67, Boston III, Tu-2S and of course Mosquito XVI and Ar-234.
How are they different - it isn't about defensive armament - the guns are your least level defense, if a fighter got into shooting range and he is skilled enough - your chances are slim unless you super sniper (and most aren't)
Their defense is planning and speed: approach the target, get in, destroy the targets, get out and land. Shooting fighters at air-to-air shooting range IMHO is last resort.
Additionally being fast they allow much higher bomb delivery with survival generation rate per-player hour in comparison to B-17. As I can do several sorties in Tu-2, Boston or Ki-67 from much closer fields so I can bomb at relatively safe altitude with high survival chances in comparison to B-17 that have long climb to do.
My $0.02
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Triton28 on September 02, 2015, 06:35:10 AM
MrCrowly in a set of Lancs would dominate Wizz in 17's. He'd look a helluva lot cooler doing it too.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Grin on September 02, 2015, 10:11:15 AM
B-17 is my least favorite bomber - heavy, slow, trading bomb-load for defense armament. Its has only two strong sides: firm airframe and good defense armament. Its huge range is irrelevant for AH as there are no real strategic campaigns (beside SEA) and bomber use is purely tactical.
I like flying bombers - but when I fly bomber my mission is to destroy/damage a target and almost never want/try to get kills. I consider my mission as most successful when I don't even met a fighter in a way it can endanger me.
If you consider your job making efficient and effective damage to enemy targets than B-17 is least suitable bomber for the role as per player. It has huge turn around time due to slow climb/speed vs its payload.
My favorite bombers to get the job done are: Ki-67, Boston III, Tu-2S and of course Mosquito XVI and Ar-234.
How are they different - it isn't about defensive armament - the guns are your least level defense, if a fighter got into shooting range and he is skilled enough - your chances are slim unless you super sniper (and most aren't)
Their defense is planning and speed: approach the target, get in, destroy the targets, get out and land. Shooting fighters at air-to-air shooting range IMHO is last resort.
Additionally being fast they allow much higher bomb delivery with survival generation rate per-player hour in comparison to B-17. As I can do several sorties in Tu-2, Boston or Ki-67 from much closer fields so I can bomb at relatively safe altitude with high survival chances in comparison to B-17 that have long climb to do.
My $0.02
The strength of the B17 is more apparent in groups. 3 sets of 17s at 12k can lay waste to a field, descend and clean up resupply trucks and enemy air. 10 sets of 17s is asking to die if you attack them. 20 sets is Baghdad '03 in the air. A single set of 17s can be a pain, but when you have 2 or 3 fighters attacking them can be destroyed in as little as 30-45 seconds. Another advantage of the 17s is stable flight at high altitude. Put 4 or 5 sets in a defensive formation for a long haul mission to a strat from across the map coming in above 26k and you're golden until they send 28 of those damned rocket gliders at you :devil
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 02, 2015, 12:30:11 PM
No sir you are sadly mistaken. The plabe is what dictates what happens. I cant fly to base in a fighter and shut down multiple hangers. I cant defend a town against even 3 gvs in a fighter. I can however somewhat hold my own in a fighter when called apon.
The correct phrase in response is: necessary but not sufficient...
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Zimme83 on September 02, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
Defending towns in low buffs is prob the least "skillfull" way to do it, carpet bomb GV:s from 1000 ft is not anything that need practicing and most survivability comes from the buffs ability to absorb a lot of MG fire and thus makes them hard for any gv except Wirbs and Osties to shoot down. A skillful pilot in an A-20 or Tu-2 can kill multiple GV:s too but they atleast have to aim their bombs.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 02, 2015, 03:36:31 PM
999000 isn't very good. I've probably encountered him 30-40 times and almost always kill his entire formation. In all of those encounters, I've lost two (2) planes to him, out of 60-100 kills on him. He's always been a nice, fun guy; but, I don't see anything difficult about downing him.
I find SHawk to be a vastly better bomber pilot, and honestly much more deadly than 999000.
While Wizz isn't as lethal as SHawk, I also find him harder to kill. That is to say, while SHawk might shoot me down more than the average bomber pilot, Wizz is less likely to die.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: cobia38 on September 02, 2015, 05:42:24 PM
999000 isn't very good. I've probably encountered him 30-40 times and almost always kill his entire formation. In all of those encounters, I've lost two (2) planes to him, out of 60-100 kills on him. He's always been a nice, fun guy; but, I don't see anything difficult about downing him.
I find SHawk to be a vastly better bomber pilot, and honestly much more deadly than 999000.
While Wizz isn't as lethal as SHawk, I also find him harder to kill. That is to say, while SHawk might shoot me down more than the average bomber pilot, Wizz is less likely to die.
you are most certainly the most awsome goddess to ever grace the pixel sky :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 02, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
That's right Ack Ack!!! Because around a thousand kills in 6 months, a couple hundred million in damage, or little over 500 bases from the start of the year with less than 3 people just isnt good enough for you people :rofl
I'm just going by my experiencing in encountering your bombers and quite frankly, I find shooting down your bombers not be very difficult and in fact, a lot of your "maneuvering" is what has gotten you shot down in our encounters. But as I said in my previous post, to each his own.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Latrobe on September 02, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
I'm just going by my experiencing in encountering your bombers and quite frankly, I find shooting down your bombers not be very difficult and in fact, a lot of your "maneuvering" is what has gotten you shot down in our encounters. But as I said in my previous post, to each his own.
you know your exactly right a lot of that moving aroubd does get killed. Im just experimenting seeing what works and what doesnt. Id just like to think there is more that I can do than just fly in a straight when under attack.
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 02, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
you know your exactly right a lot of that moving aroubd does get killed. Im just experimenting seeing what works and what doesnt. Id just like to think there is more that I can do than just fly in a straight when under attack.
That is why I fly fighters!
Then again, I'll take a 110 if I really want to attack a base or your bombers! ;)
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: Max on September 02, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
Yankee, that was OUTSTANDING! Hell, I've still got a big SEG on my face after watchin' that!
Agreed.
- oldman
Title: Re: Mastering B-17's as the ultimate weapon in AH
Post by: NikonGuy on September 06, 2015, 10:34:32 AM
Upping 17's to defend a base can be quite exciting. If they are not at the point of vulching yet, up and jump in the tail gun, use your rudder pedals to circle the base. One big fat juicy set of buffs attracts the cons like flies to (you know what). As they fly in keep it in a turn and belt them. I landed 5 kills in less than five minutes one day .. even Akak fell for it :)