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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: zack1234 on September 09, 2015, 06:43:32 AM
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I deleted link :old:
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A rare occurrence: I think I know what Zack is talking about :noid
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A rare occurrence: I think I know what Zack is talking about :noid
Hmm, interesting.
Tell me, what is your opinion of your country’s mental health care facilities and their level of professionalism? Do you have to these institutions? :headscratch:
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Tell me, what is your opinion of your country’s mental health care facilities and their level of professionalism? Do you have to these institutions? :headscratch:
Yes we do, but I can't give a general statement about them as I have been in only one of them :old:
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Does the bbs count as a mental institution
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At least she was fired for what she did. Instead of a kick, she should have offered them a pie, the father and his children would have appreciated pie more than a kick.
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Pies not kicks.
Words to live by, words to live by.
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Pies not kicks.
Words to live by, words to live by.
Agreed.....I say we start a movement.... Zack is president.....
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Pies not kicks.
Words to live by, words to live by.
Pies can be used as kicks if you wear them on your feet as sneakers :old:
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Agreed.....I say we start a movement.... Zack is president.....
And the best person to distribute pies is Anders Breivik.
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Re: This guy was carrying a child
Was his name Muhammad?
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Attacking children is a bit odd.
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A rare occurrence: I think I know what Zack is talking about :noid
OK, I finally figured it out.
You guys in Europe need to understand that if it does not impact the U.S.A. it isn't news!!
Give us a workable clue next time would you. :old:
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/something-snapped-hungarian-camera-operator-apologises-kicking-refugees
Attacking children.
Very odd :old:
Insight of human behavior, especially if your interest in events of WWII.
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This may not be well received, but immigration problems are difficult & complex matters. Every country wants the brightest and most talented immigrants, but hoodlums and criminals are difficult to keep out.
Now that Europe's immigration is in the spotlight, will the criticism of how cold hearted the US is with our policies go away? Is that opinion going to change now that some countries not typically used to seeing this influx of those that will defy their country's laws at any cost to get across borders?
I've heard just about every 1st world Euro nations leaders at some point criticize the US handling of such; shoe is on your feet now.
Good luck.
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Attacking children?
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Zack is odd. But handsome. :old:
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shoe is on your feet now.
:lipsrsealed:
pffffffffhehehehee
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I'm struggling to find anything on the web in which David Cameron, Francois Hollande or Angela Merkel have had anything to say about US Immigration Policy. On the other hand, I can remember long, long debates about immigration into each of those places. When I was there, Germany had a constitutional obligation to accept refugees, not sure if that still applies after unification.
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When I was there, Germany had a constitutional obligation to accept refugees, not sure if that still applies after unification.
It does, albeit with some modifications (mostly regarding to refugees coming via a 'safe third country')
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Thanks Lusche.
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Are pizzas pies?
I believe they are. :aok
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This may not be well received, but immigration problems are difficult & complex matters. Every country wants the brightest and most talented immigrants, but hoodlums and criminals are difficult to keep out.
Now that Europe's immigration is in the spotlight, will the criticism of how cold hearted the US is with our policies go away? Is that opinion going to change now that some countries not typically used to seeing this influx of those that will defy their country's laws at any cost to get across borders?
I've heard just about every 1st world Euro nations leaders at some point criticize the US handling of such; shoe is on your feet now.
Good luck.
I think that in a general sense you are right and you raise a fair point. Europe is a mixed bag on this.
Some are stepping up, others are not.
As you allude to, each country works within the context of very different backgrounds, hopes and fears.
Some countries like Italy have been dealing with this issue for years, often with little or no help from other affluent European counties. (Greece, Turkey and Malta are other counties who have been dealing with this issue for a while. I don’t know about Spain.) I have read that Germany has just indicated that they will take in additional 500k migrants. I do not have a static chart by country, but in aggregate, CNBC put together the numbers below:
567,785 Pending EU asylum claims (June)
340,000 Illegal entries into the EU (January-July)
306,010 Pending German asylum claims (June)
300,000 Mediterranean crossings in 2015
2,500 Mediterranean migrant fatalities in 2015.
They have an interactive chart by country here:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/03/by-numbers-europes-migrant-crisis.html
More general statistics on long term immigration in Europe (up to 2013) is put together by Eurostat: (There are a number of great interactive charts there.)
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/graph.do?tab=graph&plugin=1&language=en&pcode=tps00176&toolbox=type
I think that the general point of the criticism that is leveled against the US has to do with the perceived reluctance of the US to take in refugees/asylum seekers/migrants fast enough and at a needed level.
After the Vietnam War the US took in about 2 million people from the greater Indochina area. The largest proportions of these people were from Vietnam. (I know several individuals who escaped to the US after the conflict. They were taken to Guam, then PA – were they sewed American flags – before dispersing in the general population. I am glad to know one of the people who went through this experience.)
Some in Europe have argued that given the predominant role that the US has played in the areas of the world where people are now fleeing from, that the US is obligated to take on a bigger role.
So, for example, critics say that the US has only taken in something like 1,500 people from Syria. I don’t have any other source to counter those numbers, however, I do know that USAID has been providing substantial assistance since the crisis started:
“Total U.S. humanitarian assistance since the start of the conflict in March 2011 is now more than $3 billion. The United States remains the single-largest donor of humanitarian aid for those affected by Syria crisis,…”
https://www.usaid.gov/crisis/syria
The numbers for Iraq, some would argue, are also low. USCIS says:
“Since the inception of the program in 2007, 203,321 Iraqi nationals have been referred to the USRAP for resettlement to the United States. USCIS has interviewed 142,670 Iraqi refugee applicants; approved 119,202 for resettlement and, 84,902 Iraqi refugees have arrived in the United States.”
http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/refugees/iraqi-refugee-processing-fact-sheet
I do not know the exact (or even approximate) numbers for Afghanistan or Libya, but I think that you will find the same pattern.
(Not all of the migrants are from the 4 counties above, but a substantial number are.)
As far as Europe goes, I have been a bit surprised and a bit curious as to why European leaders keep referring to the fleeing people as migrants. Some of them probably are migrants, but I think that any objective observer would very well say that most are refugees or asylum seekers. I saw one BBC program that made the point that if the migrants were classified as refugees, then a European convention on refugees would kick in and mandatory protection protocols would have to be followed by every single EU county. (Not just Germany). It sounded as if that would put an incredible amount of pressure on the EU. I have not really seen too many pieces on this issue, so I am sure that there is a lot more to this aspect of the story than I know about.
http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/migrants-or-refugees/2948447.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/sep/07/bono-these-people-are-not-migrants-they-are-refugees-video
However one may feel about this issue in general or on principled terms, the suffering, perhaps needless, is disturbing.
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That's all well thought out, the one caveat I would add is, as an example, Calais, in which people who've clearly escaped whatever misfortune they encountered back home, have found a safe haven, but are still attempting to stay on the move to the U.K., as they believe life will be easier there. Are those guys refugees, or migrants, or something in between? (Not that I have an answer...)
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I wonder how many ISIS operatives are moving with these refugees. Grizz brought this up in conversation and I shrugged it off but the more I think about it, the more brialliant it is.
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Hmmm, IS hardly needs to send people to Europe - many of their thugs actually came the other way.
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Older than those, W times not O contemporaries.
Cameron wouldn't anyways...and more than likely Merkel either as, well...you know what I mean. But I could have been more precise and stated movements/organizations/groups...
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Attacking children?
I see nothing wrong with attacking children as long as its done with decorum and in good fun.
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Greece italy etc do what they told because they are bone idle and relie on EU subs which are IMF backed which is the American dollor.
The majority of European countries are useless and act like single mothers on welfare "loud and argumentative" because they dont need to work.
France has 4 hour dinner breaks!
The UK is the only true capitalist country in the EU.
Germany is a joke.
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That's all well thought out, the one caveat I would add is, as an example, Calais, in which people who've clearly escaped whatever misfortune they encountered back home, have found a safe haven, but are still attempting to stay on the move to the U.K., as they believe life will be easier there. Are those guys refugees, or migrants, or something in between? (Not that I have an answer...)
I think that the English maybe of two minds here.
On the one hand, I am sure that any number of English people would find it perfectly reasonable for anyone who found themselves in France to take desperate measures to get out.
On the other hand there is the “England for the English” crowd. England has always been a bit like that.
When planning for the Chunnel started predictions of an English damnation by rabies was a constant hot topic. At the end of the day the English are a bit of an island people, who like to temporarily escape to Spain or Greece for the sun.
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I wonder how many ISIS operatives are moving with these refugees. Grizz brought this up in conversation and I shrugged it off but the more I think about it, the more brialliant it is.
I think that you are asking for a level of assurance that just isn’t obtainable in the real world. Can anyone guarantee that not one single person in migration/refugee flow is a member of ISIS? No. Life doesn’t work that way.
And besides which, don’t you think that if an ISIS guy wanted to sneak into America wouldn’t he/she just go a get a tourist visa or something? I mean, if you are a bad guy who wanted to do bad things, would you place the operational success of your mission into the hands of an immigration official adjudicating your case in the heartland?
We accept all sorts of risks in our daily lives. From commuting to eating a Big Mac with a hot cup of coffee, most people can rationally assess their risk exposures and carry on with a fairly normal life. I wish that we could do the same under circumstances that are infrequent and unusual. (Although I must admit that some estimates have this “migration crisis” going on for the next 10 years! Also worldwide UNFPA puts the number of people migrating at 232 million for 2013 http://www.unfpa.org/migration (http://www.unfpa.org/migration). Maybe one way in which we all might start acting rationally is if/when we see this issue as being “normal”).
The authorities need to be expeditious and smart in processing the migrates/refugees. Again, Europe seems to be a bit of a mixed bag on this. Stories coming out of Hungary really don’t inspire much confidence towards the notion that an orderly and competent process has been developed and is being followed.
The NYT just did a well thought out thorough piece on this issue:
“When joining the European Union — as the former Communist countries have done since 2004 — nations are asked to pledge support to a raft of so-called European values, including open markets, transparent government, respect for an independent media, open borders, cultural diversity, protection of minorities and a rejection of xenophobia.
But the reality is that the former Communist states have proven sluggish in actually absorbing many of these values and practicing them.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/world/europe/eastern-europe-migrant-refugee-crisis.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/world/europe/eastern-europe-migrant-refugee-crisis.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)
So is an ISIS guy going to get into somewhere? There very well could be “mess ups” and I guarantee you that some loud mouth on cable TV is going to go polemic on the subject and, claim as if in affirmation of his position, that most people agree with him because of his soaring Nelson ratings.
We need to be sensible. If someone wants to bring over half of Boko Haram for counseling in NJ, yep, it would be about time say “Hold on – we need to think about this”. But that is not what is happening.
I think a fear of an unknown and misunderstood culture, and a worrying sense that the economic climate is not yet robust enough to absorb the needs of these fleeing people, is driving some to an insensitive protective corner. I do not think that it is a tenable position.
Most human beings react sympathetically to people in plight, especially when it is obvious that they had nothing to do with the modern-day, man-made, plague that is raining down upon them.
BTW: Although the US and some of Europe have come under some criticism for not doing enough, the wealthiest Arab states are doing zip.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/)
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The US has its own fundementalists who shoot people in Churches :old:
When the West have weened itself from Middle east oil, god help the arabs :old:
The gloves will be off :)
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When the West have weened itself from Middle east oil, god help the arabs :old:
The gloves will be off :)
So very true.
Preemptive strike by Israel is the only hope before that happens.
See (greenies) , I can get on with the green movement too, just for entirely different motives.
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I think that you are asking for a level of assurance that just isn’t obtainable in the real world. Can anyone guarantee that not one single person in migration/refugee flow is a member of ISIS? No. Life doesn’t work that way.
I never asked for any assurances. You musta thought I did and had been waiting on an opportunity to type your unnecessary and particularly un-insightful, naive, wall of text regarding your knowledge terrorist border crossing protocol and jihadi motivations.
Looky here...this is easy.
A. As a refugee, they can become anyone they want EASIER, than obtaining work visas or student visas. Look it up before you type it. That's just common sense.
B. It's a perfect opportunity to move hundreds of operatives. It only took 20 something for 911.
C. Once they're in Europe, they can move anywhere legally.
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I never asked for any assurances. You musta thought I did and had been waiting on an opportunity to type your unnecessary and particularly un-insightful, naive, wall of text regarding your knowledge terrorist border crossing protocol and jihadi motivations.
Looky here...this is easy.
A. As a refugee, they can become anyone they want EASIER, than obtaining work visas or student visas. Look it up before you type it. That's just common sense.
B. It's a perfect opportunity to move hundreds of operatives. It only took 20 something for 911.
C. Once they're in Europe, they can move anywhere legally.
Wow, I didn’t expect that! Dude you just took this way too personal like.
But OK, I’ll deal with it, but not tonight, far too many vodka martinis.
Fair warning, there a number of topics that you probably do not want to pick a fight with me on: Ancient Roman architecture, Florentine renaissance art, the history of western intellectual thought, the history of modern economic thought, the US Federal Acquisition Regulations, and US immigration law.
If you want a heads up, go figure out what the rejection rate of an I-485 is.
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Wow, I didn’t expect that! Dude you just took this way too personal like.
But OK, I’ll deal with it, but not tonight, far too many vodka martinis.
Fair warning, there a number of topics that you probably do not want to pick a fight with me on: Ancient Roman architecture, Florentine renaissance art, the history of western intellectual thought, the history of modern economic thought, the US Federal Acquisition Regulations, and US immigration law.
If you want a heads up, go figure out what the rejection rate of an I-485 is.
I didn't pick it, you did. And we have a Texas A&M graduate, basketball player, in the US for 12 years from LATVIA who couldn't get her visa reapproved. And we had corporate counsel, immigration lawyers and their Latvian counterparts working on it.
He's what I know. The argument that terrorists, by the DROVES, are/could be/probably hiding in the millions of refugees moving across European borders is not something you can argue against and keep a straight face. You may tell me its your opinion that Euros are keeping tabs on them and all that other immigration hypno-hocus-pocus BS and you might even be able to argue FOR student VISA's being passed out by the billions but, that doesn't have squat to do with millions of live bodies pouring over European borders because those are opportunities to get operatives in-country in real time...I-465's take a month to process...this way, they've been in Europe for a month already!!!! LOL. Those aren't opportunities waiting on approved paperwork, state dept dwaddlings and fake families living in the Netherlands.
When you add , Intelligence Specialist/Analyst, NCS, Military Intel Analyst 5+, etc to your resume, I'll start shaking in my Interweb boots.
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I didn't pick it, you did. And we have a Texas A&M graduate, basketball player, in the US for 12 years from LATVIA who couldn't get her visa reapproved. And we had corporate counsel, immigration lawyers and their Latvian counterparts working on it.
He's what I know. The argument that terrorists, by the DROVES, are/could be/probably hiding in the millions of refugees moving across European borders is not something you can argue against and keep a straight face. You may tell me its your opinion that Euros are keeping tabs on them and all that other immigration hypno-hocus-pocus BS and you might even be able to argue FOR student VISA's being passed out by the billions but, that doesn't have squat to do with millions of live bodies pouring over European borders because those are opportunities to get operatives in-country in real time...I-465's take a month to process...this way, they've been in Europe for a month already!!!! LOL. Those aren't opportunities waiting on approved paperwork, state dept dwaddlings and fake families living in the Netherlands.
When you add , Intelligence Specialist/Analyst, NCS, Military Intel Analyst 5+, etc to your resume, I'll start shaking in my Interweb boots.
I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly. I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!
I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.
We are done here.
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I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly. I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!
I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.
We are done here.
But you have no issue dealing a deck of race cards to justify your drunk attack and poor understanding of what someone else writes. You advertise your poor judgement of drinking and typing and then take the moral high ground. You're right. You're done here.
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I am sorry, when I read your reply post last night I didn’t read it properly. I guess I really had far too many vodka martinis!
I don’t engage with people who present incoherent arguments as a veneer to their preconceived condemnation of a race of people.
We are done here.
How can you say thw above, people from new jersey are odd :old:
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/AH/WaffenVW.png)
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no one was hurt it was a good day...
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Pii >R round... Cakes>R square....
That's whats wrong with "new math"
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They are now separating women and children from the men.
Bit creepy.
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Trip-chick ended up doing the guy a favour, ironically. His story came to light - he was a high-level football coach, soccer academy types in Madrid have offered him a job w. accommodation for his family.
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Wow, I didn’t expect that! Dude you just took this way too personal like.
Fair warning, there a number of topics that you probably do not want to pick a fight with me on: Ancient Roman architecture
One of my passions....... Appollodorus was a genius, a man far ahead of his day. I mean the man told Hadrian that his designs weren't good, and personally I think Hadrian was no slouch. Although I will admit he "borrowed" a bunch of his designs/ideas from the Greeks....the man was a greekophile...
What's you favorite structure?
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What's you favorite structure?
The Pantheon, but not hands down. I can explain later, I really have to get to office!