General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 26, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
Title: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 26, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
After much debate between going pure entry level (Smith and Wesson MP15, DMPS Oracle AR15) or mid-level entry (Colt LE6920) I decided to go with the latter! Not sure if it's a "Deal" or not, blue book says a 100% (NIB) is $995 so I assume I got it for just a tad under ($835 with shipping, my FFL guy charges me nothing).
Flame me or claim me, did I do okay? I hope black guns don't become an addiction, I already have plenty of long gun antique and pistol addictions.
Here are the details: Brand New, in the Box, Colt Defense LE-6920 AR-15 Carbine. Matte Black Anodized 7075-T6 Forged Receiver, 16.1" Chrome Lined M4 Style Barrel with 1-7 Twist, A2 Flash Hider, M4 Hand guards, Mil-Spec 4 position Adjustable Stock, Mil-Spec Pistol Grip, Flip Up Rear Sight, A2 Front Sight Post, H Buffer, Colt Bolt Carrier Group, 30+1 Capacity, Overall length of 32-35.5" with a weight of 5.95lbs. Comes with 1 (30rd) Magazine and Lock.
Got 4 more 30 Magpul Pmag 3rd gen on the way. Should be about 7-10 days before it arrives. Pic upon arrival!
Are black guns addicting? ;)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: DaveBB on September 26, 2015, 10:38:10 PM
Piston operated or direct gas impingement?
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 26, 2015, 11:33:20 PM
Hell I don't know! It's my first #BlackGunsMatter dance!
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Skyyr on September 27, 2015, 12:22:24 AM
Can't go wrong with a Colt, as long as it's not one of the Colt Competition or Umarex (i.e. licensed) builds.
Buy your mags here - you'll save $2-5 apiece buying them this way: https://dsgarms.com/ktdsg10mag557
Nice job! Enjoy it.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Triton28 on September 27, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Hell I don't know! It's my first #BlackGunsMatter dance!
It's probably a DI gun. Piston guns are usually a bit more expensive and I'd hope it would have been labeled as such. Tons of debate about the differences for you to read up on. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: DaveBB on September 27, 2015, 01:11:49 AM
I read about his gun. Its nice. Direct gas impingement, 16" barrel. High quality carbine.
Now the thing about AR-15s that still puzzles me is using shorter barrels. The reason the 5.56mm round is effective is because it explosively fragments in the human body above a certain velocity. Below that velocity, it just makes small wounds. Some AR-15s don't even have the muzzle velocity to fragment the round. I couldn't find any stats on Ripsnort's carbine.
But you need the round to be greater than or equal to 2800fps when it hits something.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 27, 2015, 08:36:49 AM
Thankfully I have other stuff for home defense, DaveBB. :) This particular rifle will just punch holes through paper unless the Zombie apocalypse descends upon us. :D
And to be honest, I'm a sucker for Colts. Wait, that didn't come out right...
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: katanaso on September 27, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
You picked up a solid rifle. :aok
I've had a LE6920 since the 1994 AWB expired, and I've put well over 5,000 rounds through it.
Good purchase. I'm sure you'll be happy. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: narsus on September 27, 2015, 09:10:17 AM
Hey Rip,
You did well, the Colt LE is solid. My brother-in-law has one, it shoot well, and no malfunction with a few thousand rounds fired.
You did well.
Gratz!
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 27, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
You did well, the Colt LE is solid. My brother-in-law has one, it shoot well, and no malfunction with a few thousand rounds fired.
You did well.
Gratz!
Thanks! I have already started a "Wish List" for upgrades. :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Gman on September 27, 2015, 07:10:14 PM
I have that same rifle, and a .22 upper on the same lower (so 2 overall). It's fine for the $, and yes, it should be a DI rifle, not a piston upper.
Very first thing, is give it a good going over and cleaning. Lubing it properly is something many skip, and then have issues if they run the rifle hard (like 3 or 400 rapid rounds hard sort of work/training). Good video on AR15 lubrication - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVr7JXVxH4 . A lot of guys will clean their AR, but not lube it very well, there are a few important places you NEED to have proper lube, lots of products, but the Walmart hi temp bearing grease as in the vid has always worked best IMO. 8:30 or so, most important part of the vid/lubrication starts there, but watch the whole thing if you haven't taken one apart before.
Get yourself a good sling as well Rip, standard slings are fine, BlueForce makes one of the better higher end slings IMO if you want something like that. More magazines as well, 10+ would be better than 4, 4 isn't nearly enough, get them while they are cheaper (now). Function test all your magazines, load them to capacity, and make sure they will insert and stay in the mag well with the bolt closed. Also, some sort of rig to cart said magazines about in if you plan on shooting it often or training with it. Piles of good options out there for that which don't cost very much.
Other doodads to your hearts content - Some kind of better than stock Colt back up or flip up rear iron sight will be a good idea IMO. Tritium insert front post as well. Optics too if you plan on that- depending on range/use, as well as budget, many many options.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 27, 2015, 08:15:13 PM
I have that same rifle, and a .22 upper on the same lower (so 2 overall). It's fine for the $, and yes, it should be a DI rifle, not a piston upper. Very first thing, is give it a good going over and cleaning. Lubing it properly is something many skip, and then have issues if they run the rifle hard (like 3 or 400 rapid rounds hard sort of work/training). Good video on AR15 lubrication - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVr7JXVxH4 . A lot of guys will clean their AR, but not lube it very well, there are a few important places you NEED to have proper lube, lots of products, but the Walmart hi temp bearing grease as in the vid has always worked best IMO. 8:30 or so, most important part of the vid/lubrication starts there, but watch the whole thing if you haven't taken one apart before.
Get yourself a good sling as well Rip, standard slings are fine, BlueForce makes one of the better higher end slings IMO if you want something like that. More magazines as well, 10+ would be better than 4, 4 isn't nearly enough, get them while they are cheaper (now). Function test all your magazines, load them to capacity, and make sure they will insert and stay in the mag well with the bolt closed. Also, some sort of rig to cart said magazines about in if you plan on shooting it often or training with it. Piles of good options out there for that which don't cost very much.
Other doodads to your hearts content - Some kind of better than stock Colt back up or flip up rear iron sight will be a good idea IMO. Tritium insert front post as well. Optics too if you plan on that- depending on range/use, as well as budget, many many options.
Birchwood Casey in my Amazon bucket. :aok Then Ballistol bath. :aok
Gman, I'm a PM, are you kidding me? I've been taking these things apart in my sleep while over researching for 3 months now. :rofl It won't even see the range until I can do it blindfolded. Okay, not really, but close. :)
Re:Optics--> Going to start out slow, like $125-$200 price range. If I'm still digging black rifles, I'll upgrade to EOTech - level optics later. I have to drive a beater before I upgrade to the best. :)
Mags ordered as soon as I pulled the trigger! I think 11 total should be good for starters. https://dsgarms.com/ktdsg10mag557
TBH, I wanted to go right to .308 black rifles, but baby steps...baby steps. Thanks for the info, Mate!
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Rich46yo on September 27, 2015, 11:12:54 PM
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Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: zack1234 on September 28, 2015, 04:05:15 AM
I bought a blunt spoon :old:
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Lusche on September 28, 2015, 04:24:02 AM
Re:Optics--> Going to start out slow, like $125-$200 price range. If I'm still digging black rifles, I'll upgrade to EOTech - level optics later. I have to drive a beater before I upgrade to the best. :)
I'd save that money and just put it towards an EOTech, and if needed, a riser to co-witness the sights. You'll know in very little time if you enjoy shooting it, or if it doesn't live up to what you thought it would. EOTechs aren't that expensive, and you can often find them in good quality, used, on AR15.com. I've had one for what seems like forever, and it's probably the best, and most useful addition I've made to this AR.
Just a thought. The old 'buy once, cry once' adage. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Aspen on September 28, 2015, 12:52:23 PM
That should be fine rifle. As for addicting...wait until you start building them. Its not complicated and there are an endless amount of variations.
My latest is a slab side (no forward assist or ejection port cover) flat top stripped upper, DPMS stripped lower, CMMG lower parts, do it yourself trigger job, 20" stag 1:9 barrel, no name BCG, BCM charging handle, Troy 15" battle rail and ATI stock/grip. Pretty inexpensive build that shoots really well.
Watching arpartsfinder.com and picking up a piece or two when they are on sale keeps the cost down.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Gman on September 28, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
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Gman, how did you get around the restricted weapon in Canada?
What do you mean "how did you get around"? That doesn't even make sense. Yes AR platform rifles (most of them) are in the restricted class. So? I have over a dozen variants. I know some that have far more in Canada. The only difference here is there is no short barrel/form 1 or whatever difference like in the USA, all ARs regardless of length are in the same class and similarly restricted to transport and storage requirements, as well as only being able to be fired on approved ranges.
The RCMP estimates there are over 100k AR15 rifles in the Canadian registry. They aren't uncommon by any means. The only difference is while in country/Canada the magazines are limited to 5 rounds, which is a large joke, since the RCMP approves of a .25 cent pop rivet blocking the follower to only letting 5 rounds in the magazine being "in compliance", something that can be removed in less than a minute if somebody really cared to.
Do you have restricted confused with prohibited? There are some rifles that were put in the 12-5 rifle class, which is a prohib class, but you can still keep them if you were grandfathered in, which I was, but few if any AR15 class rifles fell into that classification.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 28, 2015, 02:20:55 PM
Only 100k black rifles in Mooseville?!? Oh crikey, we'll be protecting you from Zombies as well as foreign invasions! :cheers:
I read somewhere around 8 or 9 million here in 'Merica. Bring on the ISIS clowns! :aok :noid
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on September 28, 2015, 03:06:02 PM
I have one of most of the major players when it comes to Dots. Eotech are great because they take the normal AA batteries other than that the size is a big draw back to me.
For a budget try Primary arms. I put one on my 45 sub gun and its held up nicely and i haven't turned it off in 8 months. Shot two pigs with it this weekend. Clear glass and a clean dot.
I have sold most of my 223 guns opting for a 30 cal solution but i do still have a Benelli Mr1. With the 223 neck shots are a must so i put a beater 3x9 scope on it and use it as a camp rifle.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 28, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
Somewhere in heaven, Sergei Simonov weeps... <shakes head>
Hey, don't blame me. Blame a Vietnamese friend at the gun range (Parents immigrated during the 75' Saigon exit). He let me shoot two of his black guns at the range. Damn....that's all I can say. Then the 3 month research/search began.
Even Vietnamese give up commie crap for US crap. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Nefarious on September 28, 2015, 07:59:53 PM
Hey, don't blame me. Blame a Vietnamese friend at the gun range (Parents immigrated during the 75' Saigon exit). He let me shoot two of his black guns at the range. Damn....that's all I can say. Then the 3 month research/search began.
Even Vietnamese give up commie crap for US crap. :)
Perhaps he had something against them, A lot of Older US Veterans hate the SKS and AK... Anything Commie for that matter. Something about being shot at in South East Asia probably has something to do with it. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on September 28, 2015, 09:55:35 PM
Perhaps he had something against them, A lot of Older US Veterans hate the SKS and AK... Anything Commie for that matter. Something about being shot at in South East Asia probably has something to do with it. :)
I get that, but both have their virtues. The first semiauto rifle I ever bought was a Chinese Simonov with both a milled receiver and a chromed barrel. I bought a couple thousand rounds of Chinese AP Ammo in these big sardine tins at the same time. It was really cheap and cheerful and you can literally put hundreds of rounds through it, get it dirty, roll it in the mud and it will keep working. You can buy 30 rounders for it or even drums, or, if you like, use the ten round strip per clips. 7.62x39 is lighter than 7.62x51 nato and more stable than .223, if not more lethal.
Later, I added weapons, A LaFrance FN, a bushmaster h-bar, etc, but eventually I made myself buy a folding stock milled receiver Bulgarian AKS. If I had to have 1rifle, that would be the one. It's light, lethal, reliable, surprisingly accurate, and it doesn't have a creepy Chinese trigger or lots of difficult little parts to lose like the second piston in the Simonov or the little pins in the AR bolt and carrier assembly or the little adhpjustable gas block on the big FN. I wouldn't mind finding a nice Valmet in '51 or '39, just to get truly western build quality in an AK design. The only drawback, imj: no hold back on the carrier.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 28, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
I get that, but both have their virtues. The first semiauto rifle I ever bought was a Chinese Simonov with both a milled receiver and a chromed barrel. I bought a couple thousand rounds of Chinese AP Ammo in these big sardine tins at the same time. It was really cheap and cheerful and you can literally put hundreds of rounds through it, get it dirty, roll it in the mud and it will keep working. You can buy 30 rounders for it or even drums, or, if you like, use the ten round strip per clips. 7.62x39 is lighter than 7.62x51 nato and more stable than .223, if not more lethal.
Later, I added weapons, A LaFrance FN, a bushmaster h-bar, etc, but eventually I made myself buy a folding stock milled receiver Bulgarian AKS. If I had to have 1rifle, that would be the one. It's light, lethal, reliable, surprisingly accurate, and it doesn't have a creepy Chinese trigger or lots of difficult little parts to lose like the second piston in the Simonov or the little pins in the AR bolt and carrier assembly or the little adhpjustable gas block on the big FN. I wouldn't mind finding a nice Valmet in '51 or '39, just to get truly western build quality in an AK design. The only drawback, imj: no hold back on the carrier.
PJ, Nef collects SKS rifles. Probably the biggest collector that I personally know of these rifles.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Rich46yo on September 28, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
In 1967 "perfection" was found in the M16A1. Shooting 55grn projectiles at over 3100 fps out of 20" barrels it had devastating performance on bad guys. It was reliable and easy to shoot, and very accurate out to practical ranges. So why would I change that? Mine started off life as an Armalite with a 16" tube and after a few adjustments it was brought up to A1 spec with an A1 barrel and forearm, just like the Black Rifle of my youth. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/M16-3_zpsb4b5af3a.jpg)
I did however bow to modernity by attaching a collapsible stock to make it easier to get it in and out of a vehicle. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/shooting/be3799c7-f9e0-4169-add9-de08a9ce462f_zps6xqhlfld.jpg)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: DaveBB on September 29, 2015, 02:57:47 AM
The best "black gun" is one that can reliably shoot 5.56mm at muzzle velocities over 3000fps. Heckler and Koch HK416 is probably the best at this. It has been offered on the civilian market for some time now. And coincidentally, it is the weapon used to kill Bin Laden.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 29, 2015, 07:52:46 AM
In 1967 "perfection" was found in the M16A1. Shooting 55grn projectiles at over 3100 fps out of 20" barrels it had devastating performance on bad guys. It was reliable and easy to shoot, and very accurate out to practical ranges. So why would I change that? Mine started off life as an Armalite with a 16" tube and after a few adjustments it was brought up to A1 spec with an A1 barrel and forearm, just like the Black Rifle of my youth. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/M16-3_zpsb4b5af3a.jpg)
I did however bow to modernity by attaching a collapsible stock to make it easier to get it in and out of a vehicle. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/shooting/be3799c7-f9e0-4169-add9-de08a9ce462f_zps6xqhlfld.jpg)
Nice rifle. I was stalking the used pre-ban Colts but it was tough finding one under $1000. I missed a Rock Island Auction on one by a measly $50 in April(They post "Prices Realized" after the auction) :bhead
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Rino on September 29, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
H&K stuff is nice but rather expensive IMHO. I was looking at Colts, but decided to go with a Windham Weaponry carbine instead. I liked the backstory of how the former owner of Bushmaster decided to go back in business after the 5 year non-competition agreement when he sold to Freedom group.
I have absolutely no complaints whatsoever. Nice gun, about $850 I think. I wanted a fairly plain jane M-4 type..so I went with the MPC.
After much debate between going pure entry level (Smith and Wesson MP15, DMPS Oracle AR15) or mid-level entry (Colt LE6920) I decided to go with the latter! Not sure if it's a "Deal" or not, blue book says a 100% (NIB) is $995 so I assume I got it for just a tad under ($835 with shipping, my FFL guy charges me nothing).
Flame me or claim me, did I do okay? I hope black guns don't become an addiction, I already have plenty of long gun antique and pistol addictions.
Here are the details: Brand New, in the Box, Colt Defense LE-6920 AR-15 Carbine. Matte Black Anodized 7075-T6 Forged Receiver, 16.1" Chrome Lined M4 Style Barrel with 1-7 Twist, A2 Flash Hider, M4 Hand guards, Mil-Spec 4 position Adjustable Stock, Mil-Spec Pistol Grip, Flip Up Rear Sight, A2 Front Sight Post, H Buffer, Colt Bolt Carrier Group, 30+1 Capacity, Overall length of 32-35.5" with a weight of 5.95lbs. Comes with 1 (30rd) Magazine and Lock.
Got 4 more 30 Magpul Pmag 3rd gen on the way. Should be about 7-10 days before it arrives. Pic upon arrival!
Are black guns addicting? ;)
Solid buy. Those 1-7 twist like the 62gr ammo and as far as an optic check out the Aimpoint PRO. Hard to beat the price and quality plus the battery life is insane.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on September 29, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Solid buy. Those 1-7 twist like the 62gr ammo and as far as an optic check out the Aimpoint PRO. Hard to beat the price and quality plus the battery life is insane.
RINO, nice piece. Heard nothing but good about those in researching.
Slash, Aimpoints are on my radar, matter of fact at the top. For now, I'm just going to practice with iron sites. I've never used a scope for hunting in my life, or plinking. I equate it to 'cheating' :) But now that I'm old, I understand the need for scopes. :old:
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on September 29, 2015, 11:26:01 PM
Rip, try out a red dot asap. All of my rifles and most of my pistol dont have iron sight. Today's optics and battery life allow for a dot that is always turned on. It will make you into a better shooter and allow you to keep both eyes open. Also in low light its a must. With a flashlight iron sight will blur out but a red dot will still have a perfect round dot in front of your face.
We pig hunt at night and if someone shows up with just iron sight i will quickly hand them another gun.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Slash27 on September 30, 2015, 01:05:52 AM
RINO, nice piece. Heard nothing but good about those in researching.
Slash, Aimpoints are on my radar, matter of fact at the top. For now, I'm just going to practice with iron sites. I've never used a scope for hunting in my life, or plinking. I equate it to 'cheating' :) But now that I'm old, I understand the need for scopes. :old:
Don't fight it! :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Rino on October 01, 2015, 11:07:44 PM
I remember thinking after I bought my first 17" monitor, "I'll never need anything bigger than that." Then I bought a 19, thought the same thing. Then a 22", now I have a 25". I'm not even bothering to think I won't need anything larger anymore :D I'm 53 now, and the eyes just ain't what they used to be. Search your feelings Rip, go to the Dark Side :rofl
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 02, 2015, 02:30:07 AM
Just wanted to add that the lower velocity and lethality of the carbine barrel lengths can be compensated for by using expanding/frangible ammunition. Illegal for the armed forces but perfectly legal for civilians (mostly). Has the added benefit of reducing the risk of over penetration, which is important in a home defense application.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 02, 2015, 07:34:59 AM
Just wanted to add that the lower velocity and lethality of the carbine barrel lengths can be compensated for by using expanding/frangible ammunition. Illegal for the armed forces but perfectly legal for civilians (mostly). Has the added benefit of reducing the risk of over penetration, which is important in a home defense application.
Good to know. This one won't be home defense, there are 4 other weapons-types that are ahead of it for home defense. :) This will be for target and varmints in Montana when I visit my brother.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: colmbo on October 02, 2015, 12:23:04 PM
Very first thing, is give it a good going over and cleaning. Lubing it properly is something many skip, and then have issues if they run the rifle hard (like 3 or 400 rapid rounds hard sort of work/training). Good video on AR15 lubrication - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVr7JXVxH4 . A lot of guys will clean their AR, but not lube it very well, there are a few important places you NEED to have proper lube, lots of products, but the Walmart hi temp bearing grease as in the vid has always worked best IMO. 8:30 or so, most important part of the vid/lubrication starts there, but watch the whole thing if you haven't taken one apart before.
I have to wonder how well the grease works in cold weather. I'm not talking 40 degrees, sub freezing and sub zero weather is what I mean by cold. As a paratrooper here in Alaska we learned that if it's really cold the gun won't work if heavily lubed. Of course I'm talking about the days of LSA.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 02, 2015, 02:31:18 PM
So, my plans are to use this initially as a 100-200 yard paper cutter, not a tactical. I'm keeping my eyes open in the local pawn shops/gun stores for a good used scope.
I have my eye a new Vortex Optics Crossfire II 1-4x24mm Riflescope with V-Brite Reticle but then again, I keep looking at the Leupold VX series, not sure how I'd justify that cost to the CFO of the household though. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on October 02, 2015, 03:06:28 PM
I am a huge vortex fan these days. If your just range shooting take a look at a 3x9. For paper shooting groups my 1x4 wasn't cutting it.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: redcatcherb412 on October 02, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
Perhaps he had something against them, A lot of Older US Veterans hate the SKS and AK... Anything Commie for that matter. Something about being shot at in South East Asia probably has something to do with it. :)
Probably right about that. There are .308 variants on the AR platform and if you really want retro (garand action) the Ruger Mini-30 in 7.62x39 can keep you in the US Mfg. ballpark. After the gubbmint buyup of the .223 stocks a lot of vets in my area are buying the 7.62s. Something to be said for owning a caliber not controlled by a gubbmint, but available globally and used by many of your countries enemies.
Ruger mini-30 (http://i59.tinypic.com/nw0rgx.jpg)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 02, 2015, 10:35:28 PM
Probably right about that. There are .308 variants on the AR platform and if you really want retro (garand action) the Ruger Mini-30 in 7.62x39 can keep you in the US Mfg. ballpark. After the gubbmint buyup of the .223 stocks a lot of vets in my area are buying the 7.62s. Something to be said for owning a caliber not controlled by a gubbmint, but available globally and used by many of your countries enemies.
Ruger mini-30 (http://i59.tinypic.com/nw0rgx.jpg)
The Century Arms C39V2 and RAS47 are both 100% American made AKs and damn nice rifles for those wanting another U.S. made 7.62x39 option.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: BuckShot on October 03, 2015, 08:18:00 AM
Century also makes a VZ58 in 7.62x39.
You can get them for around $400 from palmetto arms.
They are the Czech version of the ak, but the vz is milled and about one pound lighter.
Rino, wtg on the Windham Weaponry AR. They are made on much of the same tooling and by the same smiths as Bushmaster when they were in Maine. I got an A3 20' about two years before they sold to Freedom.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: SmokinLoon on October 03, 2015, 04:16:54 PM
I love the AR15 platform. Sweet as pie.
I currently have 2 models of the AR15. I have a Colt MT7600 that was built in 1998 during the so called "assault weapons ban" (that was nothing but a feel-good law). It has been properly modified to be a civilian M16A4 (threaded barrel for FH and milled barrel down from HBAR to govt. profile). Currently, it has Burris MTAC 1-4X mounted on top. It has the 1/9 twist so it fires both the 55gr and 62gr bullet equally well. I've taken that rifle with both iron sights and an ACOG through multiple rifle courses. Probably my "go to" rifle in case the zombies ever come. Invested price tag with gunsmith mods: about $850 circa 2005.
My 2nd AR15 is a Frankenstein M4-gery, meaning it is made up of various manufacturers and it as close a civilian can get to an M4 without proper licensing (it is missing the happy switch and it has a 16in barrel instead of a 14.5in). Currently, it does not have optics mounted. This too has the 1/9 twist. It is light and compact (comparatively). Invested price tag: less than $500 circa 2015. :D
As GMAN pointed out, read up and PRACTICE with your rifle. The AR15 is an awesome platform and it is unsurpassed when it comes to accuracy, ergonomics, and reliability. However, being a highly engineered piece of equipment you need to maintain it. Oil it (NO GREASE!!!), then oil it some more especially in the metal on metal parts within the action. Keeping it wet is the key to keeping it working between cleanings. Ask any veteran who used their M16 or M4 on a regular basis in Iraq or Afghanistan and they will vouch for keeping your AR wet. Some of the benchrest aficionados will tell you in a snobbish manner that they use "band X grease". Let them. The M16 was designed to be lubed with oil. I suggest Breakfree CLP, or something similar. Do a search. But whatever you do just keep it wet. Oh.. and make sure you PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!
My third "fun gun" is a Vector V93A3 (an HK93 clone). Though not as shooter friendly as the AR series, it has its benefits. ;) With the telescoping stock, it becomes very compact. It is heavier and a bit easier to fire accurate with continuous fire vs the AR, but a rifleman doesn't need rapid fire, does he. ;)
Eventually, I may invest in the Israeli bullpup Tavor but who knows. The Sig 556 series really catches my eye, too.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 03, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
The new piston AR's aren't bad, but saying the AR15 is unsurpassed in reliability is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 03, 2015, 09:49:31 PM
After many days of wasting time reviewing, over-analysis on scopes/red dots, today I decided to go with a "tweener" scope and pulled the credit card trigger....
My analysis of presumed shooting with my first black rifle is as such; I'll be shooting paper between 50 yards and 200 yards at my local gun club for 51 weeks out of the year, and that week leftover, coyotes in Montana at my brother's ranch.(When not killing bucks with my Remington 700 .30-6 with a Leopold 3x9) :)
So, first, the scope mount. I went with the Rock River Arms 30mm Base highrise. A good friend (slamfire) schooled in trial and error with AR mounts gave me the advice.
The scope itself, I went with a Bushnell AR Optics 1-4 x 24mm FFP Illuminated BTR-1. This is the model with the 'throw down hammer' (Never cared much for the comic book hero "Thor") but it seems alike a good entry level scope to start with since I have no clue where this new black gun disease is going to land me. 3-Gun comp? Doubt it, I'm getting really old...long range shooting? Not with this scope... Plinking on the week-ends for fun and shooting varmints? I think this is probably the best application as long as I'm downwind of the coyotes whose noses are good out to 3 miles. ;)
The two above mentioned items out the door after tax and shipping was $306.00. I think I did okay.
As GMAN pointed out, read up and PRACTICE with your rifle. The AR15 is an awesome platform and it is unsurpassed when it comes to accuracy, ergonomics, and reliability. However, being a highly engineered piece of equipment you need to maintain it. Oil it (NO GREASE!!!), then oil it some more especially in the metal on metal parts within the action. Keeping it wet is the key to keeping it working between cleanings. Ask any veteran who used their M16 or M4 on a regular basis in Iraq or Afghanistan and they will vouch for keeping your AR wet. Some of the benchrest aficionados will tell you in a snobbish manner that they use "band X grease". Let them. The M16 was designed to be lubed with oil. I suggest Breakfree CLP, or something similar. Do a search. But whatever you do just keep it wet. Oh.. and make sure you PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!
That won't be an issue, I'm at the range EVERY week-end (or my Friday off). I prefer Ballistol rather than breakfree CLP, I've used Balistol for years and years for all my pistols/rifles/shotguns.
I will bring my small spray can of Ballistol to the range upon your recommendation and keep her wet. The older you get, the more you keep 'em wet. ;) Friction is a squeak after 50. :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Slash27 on October 03, 2015, 11:24:04 PM
Looks like a solid buy Rip :aok
Give us some feedback
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Bodhi on October 05, 2015, 11:58:05 PM
Rip, I shoot a lot of .556
If you are shooting at >200yds, pop the cash and by an EO Tech. They are great sights and do not require the time of access that a traditional scope requires. Mine is very accurate at 200 yds and beyond.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 09, 2015, 07:03:55 PM
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Nefarious on October 10, 2015, 08:20:49 AM
That #pewpew life... :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: heinrich on October 10, 2015, 08:35:35 AM
Nice weapon you have there boss. I do not have many firearms but I do have a .38 special my wife carries (its pink camo :/) and I have a ruger SP101 for home defense.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 10, 2015, 08:56:12 PM
Thanks Nef and Hein.
Range was open to public last week-end and this week-end for hunter rifle scoping so I opted to wait a week. I prefer to shoot when 'necks are not sighting in their kindle sticks.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 10, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
It's very hard not to shoot, so I will just take gun porn shots.... (For those aviators, yes, that's an original Nixon Galloway water color of Boeing 221A Monomail in the bokah background)
Range was open to public last week-end and this week-end for hunter rifle scoping so I opted to wait a week. I prefer to shoot when 'necks are not sighting in their kindle sticks.
Same happens here too, I try to avoid it as well. They shoot me looks when I arrive with an AKM and start double tapping or more. :rofl
I try to go during football games, on Saturday or Sunday, usually a little less crowded.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 11, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Same happens here too, I try to avoid it as well. They shoot me looks when I arrive with an AKM and start double tapping or more. :rofl
I try to go during football games, on Saturday or Sunday, usually a little less crowded.
I hate spammers at the range, banging away, never clean up their brass. But I suppose if you can't do the job with the first shot....
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Zacherof on October 11, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
Just out of curiosity any of y'all use Elcan scopes? I'm looking at a specter type with 1x and 4x. I have one on my service m4 but haven't put it through abuse of age and time as it's the navy's and not mine and don't really use it a lot ( 3 times a year :()
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Nefarious on October 11, 2015, 08:26:34 PM
I police my brass. We have public ranges and its important to me to keep them clean to keep them open.
Banging away. All part of the great freedom of my state. You shoot your guns, I'll shoot mine.
As do I, as does our gun club. Brooms behind every stall. I save ALL my brass, pick it up, except the 7.62mm steel case stuff (that I used on my SKS that eats anything) that's so cheap, not worth it. Someday, when I retire, I plan to reload so brass is money saved for the future! (.45-70, .45 caliber) IMO, .223 rem/5.56 nato is still too cheap out there to consider reloading.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Nefarious on October 11, 2015, 09:07:09 PM
As do I, as does our gun club. Brooms behind every stall. I save ALL my brass, pick it up, except the 7.62mm steel case stuff (that I used on my SKS that eats anything) that's so cheap, not worth it. Someday, when I retire, I plan to reload so brass is money saved for the future! (.45-70, .45 caliber) IMO, .223 rem/5.56 nato is still too cheap out there to consider reloading.
Its common to see brass pickers who pick it up and recycle it for cash. I clean up after myself and also please pick up other peoples who didn't.
Public ranges are a privilege, trashing them is something that jerks do.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 12, 2015, 03:30:32 PM
I came down with Colt M4 Carbine flu today so it was time to hit the gun range. :devil
https://vimeo.com/142182491
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Gman on October 12, 2015, 04:41:40 PM
Zach, I have several older Elcans (they are Canadian surplus, usually with the tritium dimming a bit) - these aren't the latest variant, but still great glass for the 400$ I used to buy them for. The Specter is considered one of the best combat scopes out there, you can flick it quickly from no to full power with the same eye relief, and it's super, super glass, I've only looked through one once in a shop, but it's fantastic - just not cheap, it makes an NSN Acog look inexpensive. In fact, you can buy 2 or 3 entry level AR rifles for the price of one Elcan Specter.
If you can afford it, probably hard to find a better combat scope. I'd have bought one, but got my Leupold CQBSS already when a good deal on one came around.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Slash27 on October 13, 2015, 12:07:43 AM
Zach, I have several older Elcans (they are Canadian surplus, usually with the tritium dimming a bit) - these aren't the latest variant, but still great glass for the 400$ I used to buy them for. The Specter is considered one of the best combat scopes out there, you can flick it quickly from no to full power with the same eye relief, and it's super, super glass, I've only looked through one once in a shop, but it's fantastic - just not cheap, it makes an NSN Acog look inexpensive. In fact, you can buy 2 or 3 entry level AR rifles for the price of one Elcan Specter.
If you can afford it, probably hard to find a better combat scope. I'd have bought one, but got my Leupold CQBSS already when a good deal on one came around.
Damn, no wonder I never see anyone running an Elcan :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 13, 2015, 09:02:21 AM
Well spamming away is also not good for suppressors ... oh wait what was that about freedom :devil
I can own supressors, full autos and short barrel rifles and shotguns. A $200 fee and some paperwork similar to the standard background check is the only requirement. In fact, I'm waiting for my SBR tax stamp at this moment, building an AK short barrel rifle.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 13, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
Nef, not that I'm interested but what does it take to get a Class 3 license? I see some pretty cool old stuff up for auction at auction sites like RIA but some require a Class 3 license...
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Nefarious on October 13, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
Nef, not that I'm interested but what does it take to get a Class 3 license? I see some pretty cool old stuff up for auction at auction sites like RIA but some require a Class 3 license...
I created a thread describing the entire process on that "other board".
But in short...
Download 5320.1 and 922B from ATF.gov
922B is a document that proves your a US citizen. 5320.1 is the actual paperwork to build an SBR or SBS. The paperwork to buy a silencer or Automatic is different but essentially the same. Fill out paperwork in duplicate and have your local sheriff or state police sign off on it. IF your sheriff or CLEO will not sign off on it, you must go the trust route, which involves hiring a lawyer and creating a trust. Get your passport photo taken twice and affix it to paperwork as well as a FBI fingerprint cards (twice).
Mail to ATF with check or Credit Card Info and mail to ATF in Georgia.
West Virginia is a shall issue state with Class III now, so my sheriff must sign off on any Class III paperwork I bring him. I can't stress enough to make sure you are doing it right and double, triple and quadruple check your paperwork.
I had mine sent back to me to make corrections. :mad: I quickly sent them back... It takes 3-4 months from what I have read. I also have read that people doing the trust route are able to do the whole process online, which takes much less time to process. I have read that some people doing it online have gotten it back in a month or two.
I would read and youtube and get all the details to make sure you are on the right path if you decide to do it.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 13, 2015, 04:40:12 PM
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 13, 2015, 04:43:35 PM
Quick google search of our state laws say the following;
In Washington you can own the following items that are regulated by the National Firearms Act
Silencers Any Other Weapon (AOW) Destructive Devices (DD) except explosive devices Short Barreled Rifles (SBR)
In Washington you cannot own the following NFA restricted items.
Machine Guns* Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS)*
NOTE:* Not legal to own or possess parts that can make these firearms unless these items were legally acquired prior to July 1, 1994 and be in compliance with federal law or machine Gun, Short Barreled Shotgun, or Short Barreled Rifle but be possessed by by peace officer for official duty, armed forces, or person in compliance with NFA who has undergone Fingerprint and background check who in engaged in the production , manufacture, repair, or testing of Machine guns, SBR, or SBS (IE: class III dealer or manufacturer)
Follow this link to find out more about Washington and NFA restrictions on Class 3 Firearms
Also for other class 3 items a state license is required in addition to the requirements under the NFA
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 13, 2015, 04:56:21 PM
I can own supressors, full autos and short barrel rifles and shotguns. A $200 fee and some paperwork similar to the standard background check is the only requirement. In fact, I'm waiting for my SBR tax stamp at this moment, building an AK short barrel rifle.
Yeah but I can walk into a shop or buy one online. No fee or paperwork required.
:D
I find it quite bizarre they are so restricted over there. They are commonplace here (NZ) because they are easy on the ears, and are great for hunting.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: 49Dallas on October 13, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Yeah but I can walk into a shop or buy one online. No fee or paperwork required.
:D
I find it quite bizarre they are so restricted over there. They are commonplace here (NZ) because they are easy on the ears, and are great for hunting.
Movies have scared people to much. They are't silent, And very bulky. They only reduce(slightly) the sound that is produced. There is NO reason they should be a NFA item, It's a saftey device, Just like a seatbelt. Sure they can get in your way but it stops you from getting hurt, A suppressor stops you from getting hearing damage.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 13, 2015, 08:47:36 PM
Movies have scared people to much. They are't silent, And very bulky. They only reduce(slightly) the sound that is produced. There is NO reason they should be a NFA item, It's a saftey device, Just like a seatbelt. Sure they can get in your way but it stops you from getting hurt, A suppressor stops you from getting hearing damage.
They aren't bulky anymore (check out these http://www.dpt.co.nz/ ). Depending on the ammunition they are silent (lots of people do subsonic loads now, plus 22lr subs, 9mm, 44mag, and a few other calibres come native sub) . The do reduce the bang heavily.
A lot of people trim their barrels down as well, you can chop a lot off without hurting accuracy or velocity to much. We call em bush pigs: http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1347659513
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Swoop on October 14, 2015, 05:38:21 AM
I've never seen the point of firing a subsonic round. When a round I've fired has hit something, whatever it hit generally knows about it anyway before the sonic boom gets there.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 14, 2015, 06:51:25 AM
So even though you hit your target you clearly missed the point.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 14, 2015, 06:46:37 PM
I've never seen the point of firing a subsonic round. When a round I've fired has hit something, whatever it hit generally knows about it anyway before the sonic boom gets there.
Hearing protection is one reason. You don't have to wear earmuffs or worry about destroying your ears.
Secondary shots on other animals is another. It's not unusual for me to take down a half a mob of goats (pests), a couple of deer, or a few hares/rabbits in a short period of time.
If you do miss on the first shot even suppressed non-subsonic stuff gives you a better opportunity to get to get a second shot in.
With deer I'm often doing heart shots, which means an animal can still wander for a bit before it realizes it is dead. So less spook = less distance.
Suppressors can also improve accuracy, they act as a counterbalance and there is no gas swirl at the muzzle.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Swoop on October 15, 2015, 07:38:12 AM
All good points. However, from my POV, satisfaction came from hitting a target at very long range. 1000 yards or more. Out there, a suppressor won't help and subsonic rounds are a downright hindrance.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 15, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're on the African plains or something.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 15, 2015, 09:44:52 AM
That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're in the ME hunting ISIS.
FIFY
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 15, 2015, 10:10:03 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 15, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
All good points. However, from my POV, satisfaction came from hitting a target at very long range. 1000 yards or more. Out there, a suppressor won't help and subsonic rounds are a downright hindrance.
Nahhhh... you can still shoot supersonic rounds and benefit from a suppressor. The boom is reduced (hearing protection), accuracy is improved, and you don't spook any other game nearby. You still have the supersonic crack but with a suppressor it is very non-directional, so game tend to ignore it.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Vulcan on October 15, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
That's fine on paper targets and a suppressor will still reduce the report enough that you won't need hearing protection. Shooting at game 1000 yards away is irresponsible and rarely an option unless you're on the African plains or something.
In NZ we have people hunting tahr, chamois, and red deer high up in the mountains that at ranges like that. It's not that uncommon. My stuff is mostly in the 200m-300m range though.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 15, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
Ok so African plains and New Zealand mountains. I still don't like it, must cause a lot of wounded animals dying a slow painful death. Hitting lungs, heart or brain from a klick away is hard. Hard enough against a stationary paper target.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Swoop on October 16, 2015, 04:06:39 AM
Just to clarify.....I've never hunted game, never hunted for sport and certainly wouldnt ever consider eating anything I've ever shot at.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on October 16, 2015, 10:02:46 AM
I have one 30 cal suppressor and use it for hunting. Shooting subsonic ammo isn't a real option for hunting. The lack of energy and killing power is reduced to a good old .45. The main reason to have a suppressor is so that my hearing will stay around for a couple more years. The biggest benefit is for my SBR rifles. Both of them are ungodly loud and without a suppressor they very dangerous.
I purchased as a gift two more suppressors for my nephews and they are waiting on the NFA to come back. I thought that if my father would have done this for me back in the day my hearing wouldn't be so bad off today.
Btw why are yall not out hunting today? :aok
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 16, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
I have one 30 cal suppressor and use it for hunting. Shooting subsonic ammo isn't a real option for hunting. The lack of energy and killing power is reduced to a good old .45. The main reason to have a suppressor is so that my hearing will stay around for a couple more years. The biggest benefit is for my SBR rifles. Both of them are ungodly loud and without a suppressor they very dangerous.
I purchased as a gift two more suppressors for my nephews and they are waiting on the NFA to come back. I thought that if my father would have done this for me back in the day my hearing wouldn't be so bad off today.
Btw why are yall not out hunting today? :aok
Work, and the fact that its' too warm yet for the ducks/geese to come over our state. I'm waiting until TG to do my annual hunting trip.
Then I'm going to make some wild turkey jerky (we'll take a couple toms I hope) and ship it to Swoop since he can't eat anything HE shoots but he could eat something *I* shot. :D
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on October 16, 2015, 10:48:36 AM
Well you can practice and dial in your skills until its time to go out in the field. For me its almost as fun. I enjoy some good range time.
I am pretty sure that in Britain only the super rich and royalty hunt anymore.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 16, 2015, 02:51:51 PM
Sprained ribs. I'm on 60mg codeine every 4 hours :devil
Rip, my oldest with his first deer a couple of months back (Fallow yearling, best tasting meat ever). Rifle is a japanese Howa 243 (aka Weatherby).
(http://pandora.tzo.com/files/david-fallow.jpg)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 16, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
Nice Vulcan! Bringing the next generation up! Good on ya!
I took a young doe with Dad for my first venison meat. :)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 16, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
A good first kill there. Used to own a Howa varmint rifle in 223. Good gun.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: JVboob on October 18, 2015, 05:36:36 AM
I got my S&W M&P 15 sport on the 10th of this month. FFL fee +2 PMAGS, single poing harness w/ adapter, quad rail, angled fore grip a 1x4-28mm Barska scope a 2 gun case and 100 rounds of whitebox for $833. I think I did pretty good
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: 10thmd on October 18, 2015, 05:49:24 AM
Nef, not that I'm interested but what does it take to get a Class 3 license? I see some pretty cool old stuff up for auction at auction sites like RIA but some require a Class 3 license...
Going Incorporated is also a good method. All you have to do is pay the taxes on the corporation every year added bonus that anyone on the Corporate paperwork can have the property in their possession or order new Class 3 Items with out facing criminal charges.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 18, 2015, 07:12:57 AM
I got my S&W M&P 15 sport on the 10th of this month. FFL fee +2 PMAGS, single poing harness w/ adapter, quad rail, angled fore grip a 1x4-28mm Barska scope a 2 gun case and 100 rounds of whitebox for $833. I think I did pretty good
Nice! I looked at those, as I said in the original post. Let us know how you like it, my oldest son is considering one of those (it's in his price range)
10thMD, that's certainly an interesting.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 18, 2015, 07:15:20 AM
I got my S&W M&P 15 sport on the 10th of this month. FFL fee +2 PMAGS, single poing harness w/ adapter, quad rail, angled fore grip a 1x4-28mm Barska scope a 2 gun case and 100 rounds of whitebox for $833. I think I did pretty good
Not bad at all.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: WaffenVW on October 18, 2015, 11:30:47 AM
I have one 30 cal suppressor and use it for hunting. Shooting subsonic ammo isn't a real option for hunting. The lack of energy and killing power is reduced to a good old .45. The main reason to have a suppressor is so that my hearing will stay around for a couple more years. The biggest benefit is for my SBR rifles. Both of them are ungodly loud and without a suppressor they very dangerous.
I purchased as a gift two more suppressors for my nephews and they are waiting on the NFA to come back. I thought that if my father would have done this for me back in the day my hearing wouldn't be so bad off today.
Btw why are yall not out hunting today? :aok
Because they're all busy watching japanese cartoons, facebooking about super hero movies and crying into their emo comic books.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: FX1 on October 23, 2015, 10:41:43 AM
lol
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: JVboob on October 24, 2015, 04:52:30 AM
Im sitting at 7.6+/- a few ounces with everything on it. It feels great the Irons that came on it (A2 front post and MOBUS flip up in the back were almost dead on from the factory. No hiccups with the white box. Im gonna throw some Tula through it next and see if it will choke up. I highly doubt it will from all the reviews ive read.
It is a great entry level. 1:9 twist I havent done any long range yet idk when ill be able to. The price was my selling point but id say its every bit as good as a $1000 gun. just no dust cover or forward assist but they arent needed to be honest.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: BuckShot on October 24, 2015, 07:52:39 AM
Hey boob, I'd stay away from steel case tula in your AR.
The cheapest I run is PNC, which is made in Korea, and brass. American eagle can be found for short $ too.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 24, 2015, 08:18:56 AM
Hey boob, I'd stay away from steel case tula in your AR.
The cheapest I run is PNC, which is made in Korea, and brass. American eagle can be found for short $ too.
I've read that some do, some don't (have issues) The Tula is certainly dirtier, I can attest to it based on shooting all sorts of brands of 7.62x39 with an SKS.
There are some really great deals out there on ammunition in brass for .223/5.56 so really there is not need to go to steel case.
I like Ammoseek(dot com) as it is an ammunition search engine for the big ammunition shops.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: JVboob on October 26, 2015, 05:52:17 AM
Just doing it to see how it shoots it. so far so good. no hiccups yet
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on October 26, 2015, 08:15:58 AM
Just doing it to see how it shoots it. so far so good. no hiccups yet
Sweet!
I went out twice this week-end, once with my oldest son who had not shot it yet and yesterday just to get some relaxing rounds in.
The wind was blowing pretty good and unpredictable at 100 yards where it would 'swirl' up or down on the target. (Due to the big berm and the direciton of the wind) Well, that is my excuse for only hitting inside of 2" inches. :) My last 20 rounds the wind suddenly died, and I almost managed to remove the 1" bullseye so I felt good at the end of the shoot. Then zero'd my elevation and windage dials.
New furniture coming! Then I'm done spending on this rifle (yeah, that's what they alllll say!)
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: Ripsnort on November 04, 2015, 09:39:10 PM
AAR: About 800 rounds through it, I upgraded the furniture (Barbie Doll for men indeed!) All Magpul, and the leftover Colt furniture will naturally be the foundation for the next build. That's how the black rifle disease progresses right? :)
Handguards: MOE SL (I liked the slim feel up front)
Trigger guard: Magpul
Grip: MOE K2+ GRIP, BLK (Fit my large skinny fingers best and the rubber grip is very nice!)
Butt stock: ACS-L STOCK MIL-SPEC (Cheek fit nicely!)
Sweet! Got your stamp? Looking good Nef! The contrast between the meaning of that statue and the SBR is quite remarkable too. :)
Yep. Took 66 days from mailing it to getting it back. This will eventually be my first "black rifle"... Going to go with the Midwest Industries grip set and decent optic that I will have drilled and tapped on the top cover.
Title: Re: My first "Black Gun"
Post by: LePaul on November 30, 2015, 02:17:09 PM
Oh my God, Ripsnort lives.....but...does he fly Aces High anymore? Miss those missions!