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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: MADe on September 27, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
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I want to use the hdmi output from vid card. The sound passes out fine.
I have 2 pcie slots in board, I can assign either one to be primary display. I was using the 2nd slot when using dual cards. plugging in a single, I put it in the 2nd slot. Brief glitch getting mic to work with but......
So I decided to shift the card to the 1st slot as primary to see if there was a performance change. Now I just cannot get the analog jacks on mobo to work, realtek audio on board. I am not using the NVidia hd audio driver, only the realtek's. All my mobo's sound jacks are not recognizing now, greyed out. my mic will not connect................
I have done the different combinations of drivers and nada. Somehow using the hdmi port on the card is triggering a block on the realtek analog jacks.
ideas?
yes I could move the card back but.......................... ..................
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If I ever knew what your MB is I have forgotten it. Some brands have a dual BIOS with a button on the MB to switch between the two. Is it possible you have onboard audio defeated in one BIOS and bumped the button while switching the cards? Otherwise, all I have is that maybe the onboard is turned off in the BIOS?
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had the same issue had to use the nivida hd audio . the realtek always caused issues
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If I ever knew what your MB is I have forgotten it. Some brands have a dual BIOS with a button on the MB to switch between the two. Is it possible you have onboard audio defeated in one BIOS and bumped the button while switching the cards? Otherwise, all I have is that maybe the onboard is turned off in the BIOS?
I have dual bios but there is no switch. Using the hdmi out seems to create a dominance scenario where the NVidia card disables realteks ability to discover thru jacks. I cannot believe that there is no allowance for inputting a mic when using an NVidia card hdmi port, so I keep looking.
you use a gtx 980 yes....
how do you use a mic ?
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I have a sound card. SB ZxR. Looking up your system now.
EDIT: Wow, that manual sucks. I will keep looking, but I don't think we are going to find easy answers here.
I have a ZxR, but for microphone I use a firewire interface with an XLR microphone. Obviously, this is beyond what anyone would consider if all they do is games.
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I think what you have going on is a misconfiguration issue. I mean the potential is there as indicated on page 103 of the manual.
With the ability to reconfigure any output for any use it is possible for a problem configuration to popup on you. And of course, front and back panel cannot be used at the same time.
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Hi MADe,
If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to use the HDMI connect from your vid card to monitor for graphics only & your onboard Realtek sound chip for all sound & mic..................
Is this correct?
If so then what this appears to be is that when Windows starts up it detects the HDMI connection thru your graphics card to your monitor & thinks that you want sound & has set up a HDMI sound connection in Windows, regardless of whether you've installed the vid card's sound drivers or not & when this happens the sound & mic from your onboard sound card will be blocked....if in BIOS you have the Azaila Codec set up in Auto (this allows the OS to choose which 1 it wants & will default to HDMI). There should be a selection in the BIOS that allows you to either set this to "auto", "enable or HD\AC'97" or "disable". Your mobo manual shows the Azaila Codec default set to "auto".
You most likely will need to set this to "enabled or HD\AC'97" as then this will force the use of the onboard sound when Windows starts up then go into the Sound section under Playback, find the HDMI device that is active (there may be several HDMI devices showing but are usually disabled) then right click on it & click on disable...........then you should get your sound & mic back thru the onboard sound..................
Hope this helps you out.
:salute
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Be advised, also, that every time you use the Nvidia Express installer for your GPU drivers, it will reactivate the Nvidia audio drivers even if you have them disabled. You can use the custom installer, but of course that has been an issue with various setups as it does not always install the Nvidia Control Panel.
Anyway, reading through what you posted I thought you might have setup the rear panel for playback (speakers), and the front panel for recording (mic), which the manual clearly says will not work. I have never played around with customizing the outputs beyond their original intent, so how that works I don't know.
What Pudgie is talking about includes going into your Device Manager for Windows and disabling the Nvidia audio devices. In the attached image you can see the black arrows pointing downward which indicates those devices are disabled.
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what I want/do is to use the hdmi out from vid card to monitor. I get video and sound thru HDMI to LED TV and its speakers, this works.
So now where do I plug the mic?
I do not have the Nvidia HD audio drivers installed. I manually install all drivers. The only thing I install of NVidia's driver suite is the graphics driver. Nothing else! I go safe mode and uninstall every file myself, then I do a clean install of the graphics drivers.
By disabling the front panel jack detection I can assign the frontpanel jacks as mics but it detects a mic whether one is plugged or not, when installed it does not function. The earlier attachment says it all, detected, listed, pegged, no joy.......................
I even upgraded to all latest drivers for NVidia and realtek, no joy.
Previous cards I used the DVI to hdmi dongle, mobo had a realtek direct connect to cards, so sound was thru to LED via hdmi, mic was plugged front or back did not matter because the cards did not disable the onboard sound ports. Might have to use dongle here. Possible that its the MS audio driver that's assigning defaults to vid card.
I will say it again, it slays me that the industry would make a high end gaming card that would bork the onboard sound hardware. I mean WTF, really! Figured I was doing myself a favor by using hdmi to hdmi, NOT! Gots to be a known fix, gaming without a mic with a vid card listed as a gaming card...............
[quote name='inoxllor' post='499402' date='Jan 31 2009, 01:26 PM']Response from NVIDIA:
"The HDTV is basically telling the PC via its EDID firmware that it supports audio via HDMI only and not analog.
NVIDIA is investigating a workaround for this to ignore the HDTV/monitors EDID firmware to support this user configuration in the future."
If we look on similiar posts on the internet this problem has more than 1 yr old... and still no solution?!
That makes sense, good to understand what the problem is. Its not an easy one to solve though, EDID's are important for graphics card and monitors to work together correctly. This is then, not NVidia's issue really. The computer is ouputting video correctly. The computer is being told by the TV its connected by HDMI, therefore is disabling its own analog audio. This is the problem with adapters... especially ones that support different features like HDMI to DVI. Its not really a bug, but an HDMI connection being handled like t should be... except its not REALLY an HDMI connection.
The only other work around that I can think of is if the EDID is transferred via a single pin on the connector. It would most likely be the DDC data pin, and pulling it might stop the problem. Then again, you might get nothing when its re-connected. I honestly don't know.
note the date rghhhhh
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Ah I C now,
You want to have the video & sound go over the HDMI connection to your TV & only use the onboard sound chip for mic (or recording).......
Well what I posted ain't gonna help you none...................
Hmmmmm MADe, you do know that this may be a very tall order to fill...................
The OS is the culprit that is not allowing the 2 to co-exist in the manner that you want them to.......................
I just remembered this,
The only other thing I can suggest is to try a DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter as I haven't noticed any integrated graphics using a DP connection on any mobos (which gets around Windows having any native drivers to set up) & so Windows may not interfere w/ it. I have noted this behavior on my box as when I initially swapped out the DVI cable on my box to HDMI cable I had to disable the HDMI sound connection that Windows made active before I could get the sound\mic back thru my SB Zx card but when I swapped out the HDMI cable to DP I had no such issue as I found no instances of Windows trying to set up a DP connection within itself but DP can carry video & sound signals like HDMI can which indicates to me that DisplayPort protocol is between the vid card & monitor only. I could be wrong here but................can't hurt to try...............
I can't understand how you were getting sound over a DVI-to-HDMI adapter as DVI-I only carries digital video signals & DVI-D carried both analog & digital video signals but no sound.................
I may have to have you teach me.....................
:salute
PS--Here are 2 snippets of what I was getting at in my original posts:
(http://s16.postimg.org/4drsc6rld/Windows_Sound_Playback_Setup.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4drsc6rld/)
(http://s23.postimg.org/uly51p393/Windows_Recording_Setup.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/uly51p393/)
Note in the Playback snippet the HDMI connection w/ the black down arrow.......that is the active Windows created HDMI playback device that I had to disable to get the sound\mic back thru my SoundBlaster card. Note there isn't any sign of a Windows-created DisplayPort sound device........this is why I suggested to try a DP-to-HDMI adapter.........may get lucky.........
:salute
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I can't understand how you were getting sound over a DVI-to-HDMI adapter as DVI-I only carries digital video signals & DVI-D carried both analog & digital video signals but no sound.................
I may have to have you teach me.....................
The mobo has a 2 wire direct connect to the vid card. NVidia provided a dongle that would pass the sound.
the issue is that NVidia is stupid. plugging the hdmi cable did what the article says. subsequently all analog sound is bunged, my sound jacks are all analog.
Theres a work around where I can spoof the eide # of TV, causeing some kind of reset in windows...................... ......................bleepin killing me!
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/412513/illustrated-guide-getting-back-analog-audio-input-on-the-tv-with-a-hdmi-pc-to-tv-connection-or-f/
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I said i had the same issue if you are using mini jacks to the mic this may be the problem . what i did was use a usb port with a webcam and mic combo and then used the nivida driver. i have never tried to do what you are trying to do which is using the MB separate from the video card. when i did use the realteck sound i got nothing . so i figured why fight it if the nivida driver worked
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This is why I keep saying onboard audio sucks.
Have you got $50? I would prefer better, but a USB dynamic mic will work.
I would prefer something with a WDM driver, so you that you might reduce latency by using ASIO (ASIO4ALL might even just magically fix your issue now, but I doubt it).
I would suggest a firewire interface, but I know you won't go for it. Blue Microphones makes a nice USB mic kit with headphones for about $150 (Blackout Bundle).
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see attachment
got dvi monitor connect, mic plugged front panel, no joy.
see the greyed out analog gui. using the disable jack detection just creates what is termed "the silent audio signal????"
all analog function has been disabled, moving the new card to the primary pci slot caused the TV to assume no analog required. My guess is that, my pc was using a dsub connect, dvi>dsub dongle with 1st HDTV, I was using the secondary pci slot for monitor. Then I got a new HDTV, used the dvi>HDMI setup, had analog sound. Now I change vid card, I place new card in secondary slot to drive monitor as the previous, hdmi connect thru out, analog sound present. I move new card to 1st pci slot and change bios to use it as primary monitor card, hdmi connected, lose analog sound........................ .......argh.................. cannot reset or tell windows to allow analog sound with the dvi connect..........
so right now all current drivers are updated, dvi connected, no analog sound.
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I can't understand how you were getting sound over a DVI-to-HDMI adapter as DVI-I only carries digital video signals & DVI-D carried both analog & digital video signals but no sound.................
I may have to have you teach me.....................
The mobo has a 2 wire direct connect to the vid card. NVidia provided a dongle that would pass the sound.
the issue is that NVidia is stupid. plugging the hdmi cable did what the article says. subsequently all analog sound is bunged, my sound jacks are all analog.
Theres a work around where I can spoof the eide # of TV, causeing some kind of reset in windows...................... ......................bleepin killing me!
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/412513/illustrated-guide-getting-back-analog-audio-input-on-the-tv-with-a-hdmi-pc-to-tv-connection-or-f/
Ah IC now.......Nvidia provided a way to "by-pass" the vid card so the onboard (or discrete) sound card could access the HDMI cable sound connectors within the vid card but didn't provide a method to "disable" the sound chip on the vid card so Windows would only "see" the onboard (or discrete) sound card & not the sound chip on the video card thru HDMI & set up the onboard (or discrete) sound card thru HDMI.................
So Nvidia needs to provide a method thru NVCP to disable the sound chip on their vid cards as sans the onboard sound chips on mobos thru the mobo's UEFI or BIOS................
Then a user can CHOOSE the sound package that they want to use thru the HDMI connection..........
That bout right?
But you have brought up a good point.....................
If both AMD & Nvidia are supplying sound capabilities on their vid cards the sound should be fully featured to provide recording capabilities as well as playback capabilities & a HD\AC'97 connector should be provided on the vid card to provide access to the case front sound panel jacks for headphone use to accommodate gamers & those who would prefer to have this option...........these cards are being used in more than just HPTC systems where this option is not such a necessity.............
This would solve a LOT of issues IMHO.........
Just a thought....................
Hang in there MADe, you'll get it all sorted out eventually................... ....
:salute
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Did you disable the HDTV HDMI audio option from the Nvidia Control Panel?
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2593
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Did you disable the HDTV HDMI audio option from the Nvidia Control Panel?
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2593
ja m8, Done it all but do a clean install of OS.
Did you see the pic where I was able to revert to DVI/no audio, using the reg edit in link. Unfortunately it did not reset windows to allow analog devices/use analog jacks.
OS was installed with an HDTV dsub connect, strictly analog, originally. Now same install but different card, different HDTV. Reports to OS nothing but digital capabilities of port. The TV now has no dsub port. Its done with a specific dvi>hdmi dongle which registers as a PC input. I just went HDMI not knowing. Now windows has compensated for the fact that nothing associated with the hdmi ports is analog, windows ignores the 3.5mm jacks because they are unnecessary for hdmi.
Now that its flipped digital, that's all it will do. I just wanted to use the mic, I been using since 2005.
See pic, its with the front panel detection disabled. That's the way the port looks whether mic plugged or not. pegged, no mic works.
There has got to be a way to re enable the windows OS for analog jacks. I reinstalled all realtek drivers while the NVidia panel showed a dvi/pc connection. I removed all realtek, then reinstalled lastest from gigabyte waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a........ :bhead
I keep banging my head cause some others will be getting new cards, maybe they still use analog hardware like me.
Need a usb digital mic I guess. Gigabyte has a beta bios that's states for better audio efficiency, but I will not do that without a clean install of whole mess.
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http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Headphone-Microphone-Aluminum-Compatibility/dp/B00NMXY2MO
so dam cheap worth trying, 1 mic is all I need.
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You won't like it. Radio Shack used to have an ASIO compliant mic for about $20, but RS has been having problems lately. I have not checked their stock.
What I see when I look at your attachment is a digital feed into an analog device. I am not absolutely sure that is what is happening, but. . .
I used to bang my head against the wall too. Then I decided that going cheap on audio was just wasting my time, so I bought an actual interface and it never fails me. USB audio will always cause problems that I have outlined repeatedly. NVidia audio from the GPU is not really much better, especially with games like AH that is so dependent upon system resources.
The whole problem with audio is that we users think of it as being an important asset. Microsoft and PC makers think of it as the least important, and so all other resources are assigned more importance than audio. The first thing that gets put on hold on your PC will be audio. You can improve the wait time by removing all of the system load that audio places on the CPU (there will always be some small amount). The nuclear option is a firewall interface. Failing that is an actual audio card, or USB interface (not the same as a USB audio adapter, or dongle), then GPU audio and some better onboard solutions, and finally the cheap USB dongles/adapters and lesser onboard chips.
So, what I'm saying is you're going backwards, instead of forwards.
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The nuclear option is a firewire interface.
Fixed.
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I just remembered this,
The only other thing I can suggest is to try a DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter as I haven't noticed any integrated graphics using a DP connection on any mobos (which gets around Windows having any native drivers to set up) & so Windows may not interfere w/ it. I have noted this behavior on my box as when I initially swapped out the DVI cable on my box to HDMI cable I had to disable the HDMI sound connection that Windows made active before I could get the sound\mic back thru my SB Zx card but when I swapped out the HDMI cable to DP I had no such issue as I found no instances of Windows trying to set up a DP connection within itself but DP can carry video & sound signals like HDMI can which indicates to me that DisplayPort protocol is between the vid card & monitor only. I could be wrong here but................can't hurt to try...............
I did some research on this comment of mine & according to what I've read this won't fix your issue either as Windows will treat DisplayPort as HDMI as far as the audio is concerned & will show up as a HDMI connection................... ...
So forget what I said.....................
:salute
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You won't like it. Radio Shack used to have an ASIO compliant mic for about $20, but RS has been having problems lately. I have not checked their stock.
What I see when I look at your attachment is a digital feed into an analog device. I am not absolutely sure that is what is happening, but. . .
I used to bang my head against the wall too. Then I decided that going cheap on audio was just wasting my time, so I bought an actual interface and it never fails me. USB audio will always cause problems that I have outlined repeatedly. NVidia audio from the GPU is not really much better, especially with games like AH that is so dependent upon system resources.
The whole problem with audio is that we users think of it as being an important asset. Microsoft and PC makers think of it as the least important, and so all other resources are assigned more importance than audio. The first thing that gets put on hold on your PC will be audio. You can improve the wait time by removing all of the system load that audio places on the CPU (there will always be some small amount). The nuclear option is a firewall interface. Failing that is an actual audio card, or USB interface (not the same as a USB audio adapter, or dongle), then GPU audio and some better onboard solutions, and finally the cheap USB dongles/adapters and lesser onboard chips.
So, what I'm saying is you're going backwards, instead of forwards.
I would rather say sideways, not backward. I only need the mic to work. every thing else works, fine, sounds great thru my bs stereo headset that's jacked into monitor. your right in that audio has been the minimum priority for me, I got damaged hearing and its always worked since I quit using 3rd party sound cards. I just need output and I'm good. I could run it thru my home sound setup, but since I currently am headset restricted I did not hook it up.
why do u feel the adapter will be disappointing?
I just need mic for ah, nothing else, would this not suffice for that purpose only.
firewire, gotta buy multiple devices to get working. system is getting dated as well.
edit' made me look, my mobo has a ieee1394a header. which means I only need a mic. guess now I have to open the old mobo box an see whats what.
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Not quite. A USB 3 mic would be cheaper. A firewire interface will run from about $70-$1000. I got a Phonic interface when they were on sale for about $119. Today I switch between it for gaming and a Saffire 40 for group meetings.
When I said I do not think you will be happy with that it is because I used something similar for gaming until I ran into a latency issue that caused my system to lockup. I still hear people talk about having the same problem with AH today, but most people just don't want to spend money on audio, like you said.
Not a problem, but when I tell you later on that this is what the problem is, then you will understand.
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This external audio card works with instruments, 48V mics, and standard mics too:
http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-302USB-BEHRINGER-XENYX/dp/B005EHILV4/ref=sr_1_8?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1443851266&sr=1-8&keywords=external+sound+card
EDIT: Probably more than you want to know about audio interfaces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxYtvN4TO4
You will note that he states that Firewire tends to be more stable. I think that's true even over the latest USB 3 types, probably because Windows sucks at doing USB.
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This external audio card works with instruments, 48V mics, and standard mics too:
http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-302USB-BEHRINGER-XENYX/dp/B005EHILV4/ref=sr_1_8?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1443851266&sr=1-8&keywords=external+sound+card
EDIT: Probably more than you want to know about audio interfaces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxYtvN4TO4
You will note that he states that Firewire tends to be more stable. I think that's true even over the latest USB 3 types, probably because Windows sucks at doing USB.
Damn Chalenge,
Now you got me thinking about an audio interface now.......................... ...
:salute
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Just to add a bit more information I will tell you that the absolute best interface for games is the Sound Blaster X7 Limited Edition, but it is expensive and is USB and not firewire. I believe it is the only external USB DAC that includes 3D processing. It does cost, though, and runs a little less than some people budget for their entire system, so for that reason I believe there will not be a lot of people running one.
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Just to add a bit more information I will tell you that the absolute best interface for games is the Sound Blaster X7 Limited Edition, but it is expensive and is USB and not firewire. I believe it is the only external USB DAC that includes 3D processing. It does cost, though, and runs a little less than some people budget for their entire system, so for that reason I believe there will not be a lot of people running one.
I just went on Creative's web site & checked this out..............
1 question though.......................
Would this work better thru an add-in USB-to-PCI-E card instead of using it thru a mobo USB header due to better power regulation, port stability & PCI-E bandwidth capabilities to enhance it's potential?
This is the way I'm envisioning using it if I do decide to purchase 1 as you could run a lot of sound equipment off 1 of these in several configurations...........
Wish Creative would make the Limited vers in black w/ red accents along w/ white & gold.........................
Now I wish I'd had this conversation w\ you about using 1 of these before I bought the Zx but oh well....................
:D
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I would not use a PCI-e slot. It is easy enough to add a powered USB hub. Why would you want this over a Zx? To me it only becomes a requirement if you can use it in moving from PC to Xbox/PlayStation, or just need the Bluetooth.
EDIT: Oh, I get it. I forgot Zx is limited compared to ZxR.
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wow, nice stuff challenge. I will have to take the time.
On a topic note, as of this moment I got it going again, no telling how long it will stick.
I got a little focused and removed the hdmi tv, added old dvi flat panel, added back an old card hooked up sound from mobo, erased, installed , pushed shoved, whined ,cried, had a tantrum, got out my hammer.
Anyways I got the 3.5mm jacks to flip back on. Funny thing is that it did not roll over until I gave up and put it back together with the 970, minus the graphics driver. I'm plugged hdmi . I can not believe it, it accepts the analog sound ports and is using an hdmi led with sound thru to TV speakers. This was not the 1st driver dance either....................... ..................
Keeping my fingers crossed about longevity.
http://www.churchproduction.com/story/main/how_i_learned_to_love_hdmior_at_least_tolerate_it
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I would not use a PCI-e slot. It is easy enough to add a powered USB hub. Why would you want this over a Zx? To me it only becomes a requirement if you can use it in moving from PC to Xbox/PlayStation, or just need the Bluetooth.
EDIT: Oh, I get it. I forgot Zx is limited compared to ZxR.
That's 1 part of it. That SB X7 series audio interface has the best components used in it (Ti Burr Brown DACs, Nichicon capacitors, etc) & packaged using it's own power supply so the power regulation will be pretty much spot on to drive the amps & other components to maximum effect, the whole unit will be located outside of the computer box so there shouldn't be ANY EMI to disturb the components & sound signaling, the interface can be used to apply sound output to several speaker setups & has input capability to bring in several devices if one chooses to use it, just to name a few..................
I actually use this SB Zx almost as if it were an interface as I use the module to control the sound volume to my Sennheiser G4ME headset (turn the headset volume knob up to full volume then leave it alone) w/ the exception of the S\PDIF out & the rest of the 5.1 connections (are on the sound card at back of box), if I had the X7 all these connections would be in the interface right in front of me to access w/o ever having to move my box to get at them (would be sitting right in between my speakers where my module is currently sitting). The reason why I brought up the idea of using a USB-PCI-E card to run this X7 thru is to mimic the way I'm using the SB Zx card right now....I have it plugged into the 3rd red PCI-E x16 slot (x8 actual) on my mobo which is direct wired thru my CPU to access system mem which by-passes the mobo USB headers, traces thru to the X79 chipset then up the DMI link to system mem as this would ensure the X7 full unfettered bandwidth access to system mem via DMA & not be exposed to the X79 chipset changing USB bandwidth speeds across the USB bus just because it can.....................
Had I fully understood then what I now do I would've got the SB X7 then & will most likely at some time down the road get 1 anyway......
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wow, nice stuff challenge. I will have to take the time.
On a topic note, as of this moment I got it going again, no telling how long it will stick.
I got a little focused and removed the hdmi tv, added old dvi flat panel, added back an old card hooked up sound from mobo, erased, installed , pushed shoved, whined ,cried, had a tantrum, got out my hammer.
Anyways I got the 3.5mm jacks to flip back on. Funny thing is that it did not roll over until I gave up and put it back together with the 970, minus the graphics driver. I'm plugged hdmi . I can not believe it, it accepts the analog sound ports and is using an hdmi led with sound thru to TV speakers. This was not the 1st driver dance either....................... ..................
Keeping my fingers crossed about longevity.
http://www.churchproduction.com/story/main/how_i_learned_to_love_hdmior_at_least_tolerate_it
I figured you'd find a way to make it happen.............think about it long enough & you'll remember how as well.............
:D
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Hmm, somehow I thought that if the device was using isochronous streaming transfers that the slot versus header option would be equivalent. I'm not sure what gave me that impression. I do know it is the only option for firewire, which removed all of the configuration issues and made that choice easy. I would, of course, prefer to avoid using a slot altogether.
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I quit sound cards awhile ago. The onboard option was just to ez for my purposes.
I have all the required pieces for an HTPC setup. I just do not have to have all that sound. I wear headphones, half too. My pc is for playing game so its lean on junk hardware and software.
What kills me tho is that my issue was considered a bug or bad driver or????????????????
What it is/was, modern video cards identify themselves to the OS and monitor, OS and monitor are identified to vid card.
Vid cards now have onboard sound chips to deal with audio thru HDMI. When you plug in that vid card and apply the juice for the first time that card is presented with a decision, my NVidia sound chip is the default or the systems other sound option is the default, in my case RealTek HD Audio.
It makes the decision based on this,
I am plugged into a HDMI ported HDTV, its digital sound, it obviously needs my NVidia sound chip and nothing else or
I am plugged into a VGA monitor, no digital sound option, I will use the system sound option provided.
Those that are making a HTPC may want the vid card as default sound, its all digital and you are also using an AV sound system as well. For movie purposes you do not need a mic.
For a PC however, you want the PC to be the control head, not the HDTV. You want to input to system, most mobos are analog jacked!
Now the why's the wearfores, the reasons I do not really get, but it appears that if you do the initial fire up of a vid card connected to an HDMI HDTV with its own digital sound system, the onboard audio chip will become the default and negate, somehow, all other analog input, in my case mic jacks. So when you add a new vid card, install it with a vga monitor 1st, save the headache.
:x :bolt:
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sweet, got to fly tonight, mic worked, new vid card seems killer, monitor is hopp'in. joy all around. :airplane:
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Another reason to stick to monitors I think. I am using a 4k monitor that has speakers built in. When I install the video drivers it enables the Nvidia audio and disables my SB ZxR, but only because I started doing straight up default installations. The installation is a longer process because I have to then disable Nvidia audio and enable the ZxR, but I have never had that procedure fail to work like it did for you. I don't know what caused the process of switching back to analog to fail, but it should have been possible even with an HDTV hooked in.
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the internet is loaded with others having same issue, many our realtek users like me but I did see a bunch of peeps that were using sound cards.
thing is I know my explanation and understanding is wrong but I think I know the pitfall now and can stay clear. I wonder where that ident info is stored tho once the vid card is fired up in a specific system. the hardware is moving fast but the software is behind.
I was never able to dig up the reason the NVidia audio chip floods the analog jacks with signal. dxdiag has the NVidia card as the default audio, but shows the realtek as well. its a well known problem for several years it seems and the industry has refused to talk about it or make the annoyance go away for years........................ ............
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Hmm, somehow I thought that if the device was using isochronous streaming transfers that the slot versus header option would be equivalent. I'm not sure what gave me that impression. I do know it is the only option for firewire, which removed all of the configuration issues and made that choice easy. I would, of course, prefer to avoid using a slot altogether.
I believe your correct if you're using the PCI-E lanes that route thru the chipset as the chipset then is setting the PCI-E lane designations for those PCI-E lanes (usually the chipset PCI-E slots are the black PCI-E slots that are smaller than x16--that you can't access most of the time--or the black x16 slot(s) that aren't designated wired thru the CPU). Usually this is what most mobo makers are trying to help users to identify by coloring the CPU wired x16 PCI-E slots a different color than black, but not all so read the mobo manual to know which is which. The chipset is involved w/ the USB bus master controller (usually embedded within the chipset) which sets the USB bus bandwidth & designations according to the USB device(s) being plugged into the USB headers & the amount of data traffic\flow being run thru at any time. This bus mastering between the chipset PCI-E lanes & USB traces to access the DMI link is best handled\most efficient when the data traffic thru them is very heavy....if the data traffic isn't heavy thru the chipset is when data flow issues can occur due to inefficient bus mastering within the chipset during these periods across both the PCI-E & USB paths & thus cause issues w/ devices....especially devices that need to synch w/ other devices to provide overall system performance (sound, LAN, USB devices, input devices, etc).
The chipset\USB controller overhead will also make a difference--although usually not by a large factor as it will depend on how efficient the chipset\USB controller themselves are at managing the data traffic flow thru them (PCI-E, USB, SATA, LAN, onboard sound\sound card installed in PCI-E slot that routes thru chipset, the old PCI if still used), especially when data traffic is not heavy & how efficient the serial link (DMI in all Z series chipsets & X79 chipset, QPI link--Intel's version of AMD's HyperTransport--for the old X58 & now X99 chipsets) between the chipset & CPU is in transporting all this traffic to system mem. This is why those direct-wired PCI-E lanes thru the CPU to system mem are gold as you can by-pass the chipset route & gain some bandwidth advantage but mostly unfettered & much more stable hi-speed direct access to system mem thru DMA controller on CPU die so if a user isn't going to use all these lanes for graphics card use (which is reason for their existence.....AMD is the 1 who pioneered this concept except they housed the PCI-E controller & DMA controller in the northbridge chip instead of on the CPU die but the graphics card slots route thru the northbridge chip to CPU thru the Hypertransport link to system mem & all others go thru the southbridge chipset up the A-link to northbridge chip to CPU thru the HyperTransport link to system mem...much faster path w/ less overhead loss....AMD's failure to compete is the lack of CPU efficiency to take full advantage of this) you can gain a little more performance\stability w/ other PCI-E devices plugged into them instead of the PCI-E slots that pass thru the chipset. This is an excellent path to plug a discrete PCI-E sound card into for synching w/ video as both are sending\receiving data over the exact same data path & IMHO has to produce overall superior performance vs onboard sound\discrete sound run thru the chipset in general, whether via PCI-E or USB..........
This is why my idea of using a USB-to-PCI-E card in 1 of the unused direct-wired PCI-E-to-CPU slots to connect the SB X7 audio interface.......even a IEEE 1394a firewire-to-PCI-E card in the same manner if no discrete IEEE 1394a connect is available on your mobo.......even if this does cut the available PCI-E 3.0 lanes to your vid card on a Z series mobo to x8 (won't have this issue on a X series mobo) as long as you can retain PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth on the slot (same total bandwidth as PCI-E 2.0 x16).
This DOES depend on the quality of the add-in card though............
This is where Intel's Z170 chipset improves upon this (& my interest in Skylake in general) by upping the amount of total PCI-E lanes thru the chipset from 8 total to 20 so you have much less pairing down of the total PCI-E bandwidth available thru the chipset as opposed to all previous gen Z\X series chipsets to improve total PCI-E performance thru the chipset..............should improve 3-way SLI\Crossfire performance as well on Z170 opposed to the prior Z series as the 3rd vid card will route thru the chipset's PCI-E lanes & perform more on par w/ the X series which can route all 3 vid cards thru the direct CPU wired PCI-E lanes & fully by-pass the chipset PCI-E lanes.
This is what I have gleaned from all the research I have done on the 'Net so far concerning this topic........................
But the average user won't consider all this & so this is mostly geek speak...........
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