Why is there a limit on both 109 types? At least up the max on the G-14 to 32 so that it balances the numbers of Spit 8s and Pony Bs.
Why is there a limit on both 109 types? At least up the max on the G-14 to 32 so that it balances the numbers of Spit 8s and Pony Bs.
Why is there a limit on both 109 types? At least up the max on the G-14 to 32 so that it balances the numbers of Spit 8s and Pony Bs.
| Luftlotte 3 | |
| BF109G-6 | Min 24 > |
| BF109G-14 | Unlimited |
| Fw190A-8 | Min 24 > |
| Fw190F-8 | Unlimited |
| JU88A-4 | Min 12 > |
| JU-88A-4 | = [4] 500Kg Bombs only |
| FW190A-8 | = [1] 500Kg Bombs only |
| FW190F-8 | = [1] 500Kg Bombs only |
| B-25C Mitchell II | = [3] 1000 lbs. bombs |
| B-25B Marauder | = [4] 1000 lbs. bombs |
| Mosquito VI | = [4] 500 lbs. Bombs Internal only |
| Typhoon IB | = [2] 500 lbs. Bombs or [8] 60 lb. Rockets |
| P-47D-25 | = [2] 500 lbs. Bombs |
We go from a max number to take all the 109s you want.
36 players on the Axis side must be in Ju 88s and Fw 190A-8s at an absolute minimum and that's in a setup where they need cannon armed Fw 190 bomber killers. The ratio of Fw 190s and Bf 109s should be reasonably good. They can't have all the 109s they want and the ones they do have will not all be Bf 109G-14s.
What is being altered for playability? I am not seeing it. Its an accurate OOB for mid 1944. We do the min-max to ensure the ratios are good...they are there to prevent one side from just grabbing a pile of one or two types. They are there to ensure a good historical mix.
Regards.
We see this every once in a while, and usually the results are the same, and that is ok.
Allies can expect to see "0" F-8's. A-8's heavily escorted by 109's, and a dozen ( give or take real bombers) All in all it kinda makes planning easier from both side if you choose to look at it that way.
Fighter vs fighter gives Axis a 24 plane advantage, water over the dam..
I think putting a Min # on the F-8 would have been a right thing to do, but again it's water over the dam now.
First frame will tell the tale if the adjustment was good , bad, or indifferent.
Should be fun :x
:salute
jdog
Give me 6 190f8s and I'll give u at least that many kills in return. ..my squad eats em up in the MA when we do anything with F8s :rock :joystick: :airplane:The 56th would love to help you test that theory if we get some Jugs. :devil
Jdog, giving the Axis a 24 fighter advantage is not what most of us would call "water over the dam".
We usually have around 250 or so players close to evenly split between the 2 sides. Take out the 36 buffs the Allied side must use and that leaves 89 fighters against 113. When you take into account that each side usually has to split resources among 2 or 3 objectives you create a situation where those 24 extra fighters that the axis has can overwhelm an allied group over 1 of the objectives then move to the next and do the same thing. This is not only contrary to the historical facts surrounding this battle ( the axis rarely had local air superiority but exactly the opposite) but is not very enjoyable for either side in our game.
I have enjoyed many FSO's and will enjoy this one regardless of the rules and plane sets. My only intent is to avoid a preventable mismatch that is no fun for any of us.
I have no idea what side I will be assigned to yet but if I do end up On the Axis team and we mass 109's to destroy the under escorted 36 allied bombers, I will surely not revel in our accomplishment. We all know we have seen that before.
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When you take into account that each side usually has to split resources among 2 or 3 objectives you create a situation where those 24 extra fighters that the axis has can overwhelm an allied group over 1 of the objectives then move to the next and do the same thing
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It seems that no one on the CM team is seeing this as I am.
Bino, I am sure that rule pertains to strike missions and has nothing to do with fighter sweeps.Unless you are saying that once a group of fighters assigned to sweep ahead of a strike must RTB after they complete their first mission and are not allowed to move to contact other enemy aircraft.
If that is the intent of the rule then it's not enforced because it is broken on just about every occasion we get together for an FSO.
It seems that no one on the CM team is seeing this as I am. That's OK guys. Maybe the Axis CIC will not take advantage of his surplus of 109's, maybe I am just wrong.
We shall see after the FSO is run. Then, if necessary we will make adjustments to the setup.
Thankyou for your replies and as always I appreciate the work the members of the CM team put in.
The Axis must use the F-8's as part of their attack plans. (Here is where I'll mention that I was incorrect in my assessment of the F-8, sans rockets. I forgot the about the four 50Kg bombs. The F-8 is superior in ground attack. ) Given that the Axis will be required to attack at least two total targets, a significant number of F-8's should be factored out of your "Axis fighter advantage."