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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: zack1234 on November 03, 2015, 01:50:23 AM
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Any reason to download it?
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Masochism.
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If you think it might be worth installing at some later point, download the latest free version sometime during June. I don't know for sure how long the download will install free, though, but I suppose it should allow even total reinstallation in case of a major failure.
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Skuzzy thinks it has been created from the sperm of the Devil himself.
I am running it just fine.
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Skuzzy thinks it has been created from the sperm of the Devil himself.
I am running it just fine.
Pretty sure I never said that.
Feel free to correct me in anything I state, if it is incorrect. I would rather information be accurate, regardless of the source.
Glad you are running it fine. I remember when Windows 7 came out and people claimed they were running it fine. I recall the same thing about Vista. And also Windows XP. Yet,...none of those operating systems proved to be fine until many, many patches/updates later.
In the meantime, I have a pile of bug reports involving Windows 10 I need to get to.
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"In the meantime, I have a pile of bug reports involving Windows 10 I need to get to." :rofl
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Windows 10 is still loaded with very real issues.
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At work, whenever possible, I always try to remain at least one or two steps back from "the bleeding edge" with operating systems, firmware, drivers, etc.
Here on my home machine, I am about this >< bit more adventurous, which is why I have updated to Win 10. And honestly, it's only a matter of simple, dumb luck (and very vanilla mainstream components, too, I suppose) that has made my upgrade almost totally painless.
YMMV
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I'm glad I updated to Windows 10 back in July. It gave me time to really learn what it can do and to customize things the way I like.
It's been just over 3 months now and I have it tweaked just the way I like. Running very stable.
Sure there may have been some issues with the new OS. That's what the updates/patches are for.
I feel more competent with 10 than I ever did with 7.
IMHO I say go ahead and upgrade now.
If you don't like it, you can downgrade back to your original OS within 30 days.
Revert Back To Original Operating System (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/)
Just my 2 cents.
Coogan
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I just did a fresh reinstall of Windows 7 to an HP desktop owned by an elderly lady who did her career in a government office, i.e. she knows the rules for safe computing and a good share of the basic tricks in case something doesn't work. Two months ago she bit the bullet because of getting tired of the nagging. For the first month it worked, although she told me that she didn't really use the computer much during September. It was after the one month honeymoon that her problems started. When she finally called me, the input devices didn't work so she couldn't even log in to her computer! I managed to get to the recovery options attempting to do a system restore, but none of the three restore points worked! For some odd reason the input devices started working, though, so I could see what it looked like: No images on the desktop, right clicking on the desktop didn't work, Start menu didn't open, some icons on the Taskbar didn't show although hovering over the empty space indicated what should be there... Right clicking the Start menu flag icon was the fastest way to navigate. The overall performance was very slow.
IMO the one month period is way too short for a product still being beta-ish. One month after the end of the "free" upgrade period would be better.
So far I've had about fifteen cases concerning 10, three of which stuck with it. Of those three I have later fixed an issue of a corrupted profile by reverting to the last Restore Point created by a Windows Update. Somehow that update didn't show up again in the check for new updates.
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That is very similar to the complaints I am getting as well Bizman.
It seems there are a number of driver issues with various bits of hardware and Windows 10. Not related so much to age either. Seems rather hey-willy-nilly. Things like that normally indicate there are underlying issues in the kernel some hardware will hit while others will not.
Not too surprising though. That is to be expected with something as new as Windows 10. It will settle down as it matures.
However, the telemetry/data mining is never going away.
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However, the telemetry/data mining is never going away.
What can be done besides uninstall to kill this Skuzzy?
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However, the telemetry/data mining is never going away.
What can be done besides uninstall to kill this Skuzzy?
About the only way to stop it is to block access to the servers Microsoft is sending the data to, but that does not really stop it. It just keeps Microsoft from getting the information. Then again, they seem to be rotating the servers, so you would have to stay on top of it.
The gathering of the data uses about 10 to 15% of a computers performance. Microsoft tries to gather it when the computer is idle, but misses on this from time to time. The are gathering quite a bit of information, which has nothing to do with the operating system.
They are providing third party access to the information.
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Lots of software companies do not seem to understand why the "people" not wanting every aspect of their lives investigating.
The fact that people use "Unsocial networks" to inform everyone of their stool status everyday is why they think it's fine to snoop.
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Lots of software companies do not seem to understand why the "people" not wanting every aspect of their lives investigating.
The fact that people use "Unsocial networks" to inform everyone of their stool status everyday is why they think it's fine to snoop.
LOL!
Yep!
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Many years ago, marketing companies would pay people to take part in surveys. It was not much money, but it was something.
Today, they are paying the people who steal the information from us. It is no different then if someone comes to your home and loads up all the items in your home so they can sell them, while not giving you a penny. I think there are laws to deal with that circumstance, yet in the digital realm, theft is quite acceptable.
At least when the guys are emptying your house, you know what is being taken, which gives you a sense of value lost.
Today companies make billions off the information everyone freely gives away. I would not mind it if they gave the option to opt out or paid me for my information, but to just take it strikes me all wrong. I know I am in the minority on that.
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I know that feeling, Skuzzy. Not enough people are speaking up. Until there is a sizable backlash the only defense is a dead-drop email addy?
It's hilarious - I can't believe some of the products that marketeers think I should buying. But the Viagra and adult diapers are more than mildly offensive. :confused:
Just kidding...it's more like oatmeal and denture cleaning supplies.
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They are providing third party access to the information.
Guess this is how they justify giving it away for free, my youngest talked me into tryin it on his machine, haven' t noticed a big hit in performance but the idea of it irks me, think I will re-install 7 to that one and wait till it is no longer supported. :mad:
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They are providing third party access to the information.
Guess this is how they justify giving it away for free, my youngest talked me into tryin it on his machine, haven' t noticed a big hit in performance but the idea of it irks me, think I will re-install 7 to that one and wait till it is no longer supported. :mad:
If you go back to Windows 7, just watch the updates, as there are some which give the same telemetry data to Microsoft as it does for Windows 10. Those can be killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528).
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About the only way to stop it is to block access to the servers Microsoft is sending the data to, but that does not really stop it. It just keeps Microsoft from getting the information. Then again, they seem to be rotating the servers, so you would have to stay on top of it.
The gathering of the data uses about 10 to 15% of a computers performance. Microsoft tries to gather it when the computer is idle, but misses on this from time to time. The are gathering quite a bit of information, which has nothing to do with the operating system.
They are providing third party access to the information.
So just to be clear, there are no settings, even hidden, that will disable the unnecessary data mining in Winblows 10, correct? What about simply not using Cortana, a Micro$ux account, etc...?
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There is a setting which will limit the application data mining in "Settings".
Here is a link: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/
Disclaimer: The above provided link is for use at your own discretion. You are own your own.
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Good thing I don't have 10. Just trying make sure I understand the data mining situation so I can inform my friends about it.
Appreciate the help Skuzzy, as always. :aok
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Why to upgrade to win 10
You have Micro$not Winblows 8 or 8.1 and you hate it.
Unless 10 brings something to the table that 7 doesn't such as the memory limitation on win7 64 home (limited to 16gb vs win 10's 32gb) or apps (Netflix app allows DD 5.1 and 1080p over the browser version which only does 720p and stereo) I honestly would not recommend upgrading to 10.
If you do upgrade to 10 make sure you do an in place upgrade (if you have problems doing the online upgrade you can download the ISO and Media creator for flash drives), this will activate your windows 10 install. I would than back everything up and do wipe and clean install with the iso or created media (Flash). You should not need to use a CD key so skip it when it asks for it during the install and just activate windows once your clean install is complete.
Make sure you turn off all the NSA approved privacy options.
Good Luck.
I had problems upgrading my laptop from 8.1 to 10. I eventually got stuck in a boot loop and had to do a clean install.
For my desktop I have Dreamspark premium that gives me one free copy of windows 7 8.1 and 10 .... I actually burned my win 8.1 key by upgrading it to 10 than doing a clean and clean reinstall. I now have 2 windows 10 pro keys and a windows 7.
If you upgrade you only get a few months to go back to your old windows version or your stuck with 10. Windows 10 activations are fixed to your hardware any major changes and you will be calling Micro$not to get you activation fixed.
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As always your mileage may vary.
I did the upgrade-in-place on most of my machines, but I had three PCs that just refused to get along with it. There is a reason that happens, but the 'why' isn't really important if you just have to install fresh anyway.
On the three machines that I installed W10 to fresh (paid installations) everything has been really smooth. On the other machines the first 30 days were nearly disastrous with the upgrade-in-place, after which everything got better but still isn't perfect.
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Was looking on Newegg this morning & I noticed that w/ the 3-pack offerings of Win 10 (OEM, Home & Pro) you're getting SP1.......
None of the standalone versions of Win 10 (OEM, Home or Pro) have SP1 showing to be included..................
Why is that (outside of the very obvious money laundering attempt to get you to pay more to get what should be across-the-board updates)?
Starting to get educated on this OS to prepare for future transition................... ............
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Forgot...........retail versions of Win 10 Home or Pro as well......................... .........
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If... (that's a big if)... I upgrade to 10 instead of just switching to mac..
Was going to do an inplace upgrade to get the free upgrade. Restore a backed up OS Drive (via Acronis or Aomei) to continue running Win7. Then later do a clean install, probably after circa service pack 1.
Anyone know if that upgrade path would work?
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If... (that's a big if)... I upgrade to 10 instead of just switching to mac..
Was going to do an inplace upgrade to get the free upgrade. Restore a backed up OS Drive (via Acronis or Aomei) to continue running Win7. Then later do a clean install, probably after circa service pack 1.
Anyone know if that upgrade path would work?
If you make a clone of your Win7 system on another hard disk, you'd have two identical Win7 disks until one of them gets updated or upgraded. That'd be the fool proof way to try Win10. If something went wrong, you could always continue with the Win7 disk like it were the day you put it on the shelf.
It reminds me of the removable hard disk cartridges some people used to keep fun and business totally separated on a single machine.
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Any reason to download it?
Windows 7 will not support the new DirectX 12 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2952172/software-games/directx-12-faq-all-about-windows-10s-supercharged-graphics-tech.html)
I don't know if Windows 8 will or not.
Coogan
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Windows 7 will not support the new DirectX 12 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2952172/software-games/directx-12-faq-all-about-windows-10s-supercharged-graphics-tech.html)
I don't know if Windows 8 will or not.
Coogan
Nope. It is Microsoft's way to try and force people to upgrade the OS. Yes, let's fragment the gaming market even more.
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The one thing I like about DirectX 12 is the ability to use multiple adapters, but there remain a lot of questions of how this will be different from what we already have. Can MS get around to making Nvidia and AMD GPUs work together? Outside of that I don't think there will be any real graphical advantage until the big game houses get through their development cycles which could be two years or even longer.
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The one thing I like about DirectX 12 is the ability to use multiple adapters, but there remain a lot of questions of how this will be different from what we already have. Can MS get around to making Nvidia and AMD GPUs work together? Outside of that I don't think there will be any real graphical advantage until the big game houses get through their development cycles which could be two years or even longer.
What I would like to see is testing w/ Win 10's ability to use older versions of Directx well, ie that Win 10's having Directx 12's API doesn't adversely affect games written using Directx 9.x...........like AH.
For once MS needs to get "backwards compatibility" fully fleshed & correct IMHO...................
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So far I've encountered about twenty Win10 installations, five of which still run it. Today's version was an originally Win7 HP dv7 with dual Radeon HD series video cards, neither of which worked. I updated the drivers from AMD but they didn't work. A quick search revealed a similar problem with the weaker one, a HD 4200: Catalyst Control Center should be run in Win8 compatibility mode in order the driver to work. Oh well... Since the owners had been reasonably happy running the wide screen at 1024 x 768, the other option I chose, 1600 x 900, was a huge improvement. I left it that way, hoping that a future Windows Update would take care of that. Which I doubt...
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Anybody getting unwanted emails from W10 data mining?
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What I would like to see is testing w/ Win 10's ability to use older versions of Directx well, ie that Win 10's having Directx 12's API doesn't adversely affect games written using Directx 9.x...........like AH.
I ran into an issue with a few games on Steam that simply would not run under W10x64. Adjusting the compatibility settings did not fix the issue. However, in each case the games had an application in their folder called "TestApp.exe" that got the games running and thereafter the Steam "Play" button functions correctly. TestApp was somehow created during the running of the Windows compatibility troubleshooter, as they were not there prior to having run it. I believe that normally this application is removed, but because the system ran into difficulty in determining the proper settings it was left behind upon termination. Running the TestApp presented a running game as if I had hit the play button, and thereafter the game functions normally. So, perhaps they are moving in the right direction after all.
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Thanks for the info, Chalenge.
That's good to know......................
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1 question I have just thought of to ask.......................... ..............
In using Win 10 has anyone had to install an earlier vers of Directx to fix a game issue in which the game is using an older vers of Directx than Dx10?
Or can this even be done anymore?
I for 1 would love to know that MS has solved this issue so that the native vers of Directx 12 API that comes w/ Win 10 will work w\ all versions of Directx that the game developers have written into their game software, or at least from Dx 9.x & up.................
So far I like what MS Edge is offering over IE 11 in Win 10 along w/ the potential gaming improvements being made known, especially for AMD products (have a Radeon R9 Fury X vid card currently) but all this is said w\ Win 10 & Directx 12 & using the big box Dx 10\11 games...........this is why I was wanting to know about other games using older vers of DX than Dx 10...............
For all that are running AH or Alpha currently on Win 10 did you have any initial issues getting the game to run on the 1st try after updating the vid card & any sound card drivers?
I hope I'm not coming off sounding like a prude, old fart but I just want to get a hand up on this OS........besides all the negative stuff...........before I switch to it.
There are other items that I like in Win 10 vs Win 7 other than what I've listed here & so I'm most likely going to go to Win 10 at some point in the very near future on my box.
Just to state this, when I do move it will be w/ a paid for retail version of Win 10 over the free upgrade MS is offering..........I've got nothing against getting something for free................but somehow I can't just trust a big corporation to be looking out for my best interests when they are offering their intellectual property to the masses for seemingly nothing in return, especially in a free market society, as nothing is really for free IMHO.
At least when you purchase a product or a license to use a product, I believe that you tend to get a better, cleaner & more user useful product due to the laws & such that govern & regulate such commerce.............
Any insight would be appreciated.
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I am fairly certain that several of the add-on aircraft for the Steam version of FSX require earlier versions of DirectX to be installed. I think it would be impossible to tell if the game manufacturer requires it as a matter of course and that it really is an unnecessary step (DirectX being fixed as you say), or if the setup of DirectX just continues as usual being required.
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I am fairly certain that several of the add-on aircraft for the Steam version of FSX require earlier versions of DirectX to be installed. I think it would be impossible to tell if the game manufacturer requires it as a matter of course and that it really is an unnecessary step (DirectX being fixed as you say), or if the setup of DirectX just continues as usual being required.
Yeah, I know that in order for MS to actually achieve what I said will also take the game developers to kinda adhere to a certain specific aspects of usage of any of the Directx API's that the game developers choose to use in their code w\ a focus to actually make a concerted effort to maintain the original backwards compatibility design of MS Directx......
That would, IMHO, mean that a game developer would also have to test their finished software within a future vers of Directx to see if there are any aspects of the way in which the developer used 1 vers of Directx will cause issues in a later version of Directx..........but game developers can't do this unless MS either actually gives them the newer API ahead of actual implementation into an OS to use to do so or MS has to partner w/ more game developers than the major parties & do this testing themselves across a much larger cross-section of game developers to learn what others are doing w/ their API in order to make it more flexible & robust to accommodate more game developer's plans on how they wish to incorporate MS's API.
But for this to happen, 1 side is going to have to trust the other side w/ their proprietary software coding to maintain their propriety nature..................and at some point all sides will have to decide upon a sunset time in which to maintain compatibility that the older vers of Directx past a certain amount of time will need to be removed from the market & that means that game software will have to be updated w/ the newer vers of Directx...............
The $64 question is.............who's gonna pay for this? MS? Game developers? Or the consumers (us)?
This is what I see MS trying to do, among other things, by offering Win 10 to users for free for a certain amount of time & hoping that enough users actually migrate to help MS to gain enough critical mass in the open market to leverage their position in the industry because they've realized that they can't achieve the critical mass to pull this off, not only w/ businesses but also consumers, on the open market alone w\o some other incentive to offer to move consumers in their direction.................
My 2 cents.................
I still hope that this has been fixed w/ Directx 12 API.........
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--- The $64 question is.............who's gonna pay for this? MS? Game developers? Or the consumers (us)? ---
That must be a rhetoric question. It's us. Directly or indirectly it will always be us.
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That must be a rhetoric question. It's us. Directly or indirectly it will always be us.
Not a rhetorical question from my perspective.........
More of a diplomatic type of question that I typed for consumption on this BBS as I fully know that the CONSUMER is always the leverager in the market.......
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It won't happen that way, because game developers do not have direct access to out pocketbooks, and we would never allow that. So if MS and game devs ever went down that path customers would quickly get tired of their games expiring in short order and would stop buying.
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Apparently I'm a cynic... Although there's no direct access to their (our) pocketbooks, people seem to waste their money into anything that gets hyped enough. Or in a more indirect way, they allow their marketing data to be collected for "better service" or "free app". Combine that data with the growing positive attitude to marketing e-mails (http://uk.businessinsider.com/people-in-the-us-are-reading-more-email-spam-than-ever-before-forrester-says-2014-10?r=US&IR=T) and the fact that spamming still is profitable... In the end it's always the consumer who pays.
I doubt that customers would stop buying games no matter what. The way of buying - or paying - may change, but it won't stop. Instead of money the paying method can be anything from work to personal marketing data. At some point the customer's pocketbook will get accessed and the entire chain gets paid.
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I downloaded it, ran it for awhile. Ended up having to erase my HD to get rid of it. Lost all my passwords. Just too many little problems to make it worthwhile for me. Run all my computers on Windows 7. Runs good no problems.