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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Chalenge on November 26, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
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Did you recently discover that CPU-Z no longer works on your W10 installation? How about CPUID? Well, it turns out this is the beginning of something MS needs to get a grip on, and fast. I was using CPU-Z and CPUID to compare settings with those reported by the OS and BIOS (the readings I was getting were WAY off) while I was testing overclock results. The next day CPU-Z, CPUID, and OCCT were completely goin off my system. So, I did some research this morning and:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/218570-windows-10s-broken-fall-update-removes-user-installed-applications-without-asking-first
So, after reading this and a few other topics on the matter I am going to suggest that anyone that regularly updates their hardware, changes video cards, or drivers should at minimum start using something like DDU ( http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/ ), or just completely stay away from Windows 10 altogether.
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CPU-Z still works on my Win 10 Pro box. :headscratch:
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The issue of MS deciding to remove certain programs will occur if you see a lot of instability issues (as in the overclocking I was doing), which is why they were removed from my test box. Still, imagine for a minute the issue you could run into if you have driver issues with AMD video cards (for example) and just can't seem to get it right.
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They're both working fine for me.
Windows 10 64Bit.
Coogan
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Wow, that extremetech article you linked is an eye-opener. They even referred to cases where Win10 just up and decided to totally remove the users' Catalyst Control Center and install it's own dumb driver, without asking the user at all. If that is true... yikes!
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--- cases where Win10 just up and decided to totally remove the users' Catalyst Control Center and install it's own dumb driver, without asking the user at all.---
Until Win10 the rule of thumb has been never to allow Windows install any drivers. I've witnessed Win 8.1 to replace the latest Nvidia Quatro WHQL driver with an older one with the result of VGA only. The update comment said something like "it's very important to use the latest certified drivers for stability..." That was not too long ago and I have strong doubts that things haven't changed in mere months. Seems like Redmond is in a different time zone than the rest of the world. Are they lagging months or years, I don't know and to be honest, I really couldn't care less.
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I reverted to a state prior to this last update and I cleared the reliability history and then I was able to get the programs reinstalled. As the update proceeded it did not uninstall CPU-Z, or CPUID, and OCCT is there as well, so all good for now. Otherwise, I think I might have had to start over from scratch.
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Wow, that extremetech article you linked is an eye-opener. They even referred to cases where Win10 just up and decided to totally remove the users' Catalyst Control Center and install it's own dumb driver, without asking the user at all. If that is true... yikes!
There are settings to disable driver updates.
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/Disable%20Driver%20Update.png) (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/Coogan11/media/Disable%20Driver%20Update.png.html)
Coogan
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Except that according to the agreement you accepted they can override that. My guess is that this is what happened in the 'I don't know if it's quarterly or a 30-day update" that came through. The thing is MS has decided to keep the user out of the loop, which is good for non-interested parties and bad for the rest of us.
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I just did a complete refresh of my laptop to Win 8.1 then to 10 yesterday.
I read that the Nov update also changed everyone's privacy settings back to default (send all info to MS). I just went in and turned everything off. The 10 install did remove a couple of Realtek items from my system but I don't recall which and so far I haven't missed them.
What I found annoying initially is that MS decided I liked Edge, Groove Music and Video Player, all downgrades of prior applications, better than IE and Media Player and that they really push Cortina at you (no thanks). I guess they're trying to dumb things down for the smartphone market. That said, so far I like it better than 8.1 but the jury's still out.
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I just did a complete refresh of my laptop to Win 8.1 then to 10 yesterday.
I read that the Nov update also changed everyone's privacy settings back to default (send all info to MS). I just went in and turned everything off. The 10 install did remove a couple of Realtek items from my system but I don't recall which and so far I haven't missed them.
What I found annoying initially is that MS decided I liked Edge, Groove Music and Video Player, all downgrades of prior applications, better than IE and Media Player and that they really push Cortina at you (no thanks). I guess they're trying to dumb things down for the smartphone market. That said, so far I like it better than 8.1 but the jury's still out.
I agree that Windows 10 has a horrible media interface.
I use the following:
1. Palemoon (web)
2. MusicBee (music)
3. Fastone Image Viewer (pictures)
4. Windows Media Player Classic (for video)
Coogan
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I use CyberLink PowerDVD which will play even BluRay DVDs on Windows 10.
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I just updated our Steam machine and it acted the same way in removing CPU-Z and CPUID. It may be that I had left older versions on, but I have never had an OS act this way and I'm not really comfortable with it.
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Good find Chalenge, it's better to wait for 1rst service pack for any new Windows OS.
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What does Microsoft have against CPU-Z and CPUID?
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I use CyberLink PowerDVD which will play even BluRay DVDs on Windows 10.
I have this and on a regular basis i have to contact cyberlink to get it working.
It has not worked for 4 months because it is asking for updates thay dont exists :old:
Microsoft is like Apple, Google, Amazon, facebook run by individuals who are payed lots of coin to turn the other cheek and tell us its for our own good.
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What does Microsoft have against CPU-Z and CPUID?
It accesses low level driver calls, which Microsoft does not want applications to do.
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Well, after looking into the changes that the latest Windows 10 revision brings I am growing concerned more-and-more. The DCS key activation has determined that I have made significant hardware changes. I have made no changes. Further, the 'look-and-feel' of windows has changed. For instance, the right-click menu from the desktop has lost my application associations, the task manager no longer allows me to see startup programs that are resident in memory, and there appears to be a major glitch in the number of available resources (Windows routinely loses standard menu appearances). There is no way this OS was ready to roll out. Either the beta testers failed miserably, or the head office needs a change of management.
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This is not sounding good. :uhoh
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I have no sympathy for those who couldn't wait to install it. I think it is funny in a way. You knew going in that there were red flags galore, but yet the temptation of having the latest and worst was overwhelming.
Windows 10 will not find itself on my PC's and it never was.
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Unlike 99% of users I can have all of my machines back running W7 in about 30 minutes time. So far though, W10 has not dissected my life, thrown rubbish in the street, or corrupted anything more than itself, so I can put up with the idiosyncrasies I have seen up to this point.
Sometimes you have to have a look down the rabbit hole.
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Was unaware of this but I refused a free w10 update when they slid it into my pc unannounced.
I also changed the OS in my phone. They are locking things out and doing things for supposed security reasons. I wonder if this is about security issues in a pc. The government wants access to everything under the guize of terrorism. There seem to be many unintended consequences happening trying to keep the feds happy and security for paying customers.............
I just reinstalled my pc OS. I had turned off auto updates, logged off so that my ssd's could maintenance themselves, went to bed. I had just uninstalled SP1 to my new install because it was interfereing with the auto updater. My copy of w7 is a 1st gen so I had some updateing to do still. Any ways I woke the next day and my pc was logged back on an windows had updated itself with stuff, including SP1 again....... now how does a pc relog itself, turn on auto updating?????????????????????????
...????????????????????????????????????????????? getting scary
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Unlike 99.9% of others
Sometimes you have to have a look down the rabbit hole.
LOL... Not sure if it's allowed to be talked about on this forum, but 99.9% of computer and internet users don't even know how deep the hole is... Think tor , onion , deep or dark net/web
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I have no sympathy for those who couldn't wait to install it.
I do. Many times it isn't their fault. Those of my clients who installed it did it a) because of the constant nagging and b) because the nag screen let them believe their current OS would stop working in the near future just as XP did. Sometimes even c) because their son-in-law or grandson wanted to keep the oldtimers up to date.
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My months old ACER runs Win8.1. I hate the amount of work involved in navigating so I clicked the reserve Win10 icon, but I waited to see the public reviews before allowing the upgrade. I was naive.
My kids call me overly paranoid, but I never allow auto-update and most things they take for granted aren't running on my machine. Because of my paranoia, I was able to stop the Win10 upgrade. Apparently since I'd 'reserved my copy', Microsoft felt they had the right to force it on me. There is no option given to delay or disable the upgrade processes. I'd come to update Win8.1, not jump to Win10 so I bailed out.
I decided to clean install Win8.1 (yes, I'd made the backup image right after I bough the machine, thank gawd) but I wanted to save some time by retrieving the list of KB updates I'd hidden and in doing so, I stumbled into the valid updates I needed for Win8.1. I haven't done the reinstall yet, but I'll be reviewing every KB update for any sign of Win10 upgrade support and those won't touch my machine again.
If Win7 included support for the tablet's touchscreen functions, I'd be installing Win7.
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Easy, the easiest way to avoid Win10 related updates in both 7 and 8/8.1 is to uncheck the "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates important updates" option and let Windows do the rest automatically.
The second easiest way is what I'm using: Manually installing critical updates only roughly a month after their release.
The hard way: Read the descriptions for each and every update and install them manually.
N.B. sometimes a critical update may change the settings so it's good practice to check them every now and then.
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If you have allowed those pesky updates which are a nuisance in Windows 8.1, and earlier, then you can fix it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528
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Thanks Bizman, I've always done it the hard way so I have an idea what MS is doing. I update every 4 weeks, give or take. I have accumulated a screen full of updates I'd hidden.
Skuzzy, when I checked the updates I accepted, none of them are in your list, but I was probably just lucky. I didn't check it against the ones I hid.
Thanks again, Gentlemen
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Thanks Bizman, I've always done it the hard way so I have an idea what MS is doing. I update every 4 weeks, give or take. I have accumulated a screen full of updates I'd hidden.
Skuzzy, when I checked the updates I accepted, none of them are in your list, but I was probably just lucky. I didn't check it against the ones I hid.
Thanks again, Gentlemen
If you have cleared those updates, you will not be bothered with the Windows 10 update badgering.
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Hiding the unwanted updates will double the security of not getting them. I haven't got any of the unwanted updates so far with the method I described earlier. They're visible in the "optional updates" section, I won't hide them for testing purposes.
One reason for my laziness is that although each detailed description Support page is localized to Finnish but the descriptions within are in English. Microsoft obviously thinks that those who are concerned about what each update does can understand written English.
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They're both working fine for me.
Windows 10 64Bit.
Coogan
Not anymore.
After installing the much anticipated and huge November update, aka Threshold 2 (http://www.windowscentral.com/whats-new-windows-10-fall-update) and bringing my OS up to Version 1511 Build 10586.17, CPU-Z and CPUID were both removed from my computer by Microsoft.
I do see quite an improvement in the startup time with the new update. Microsoft claims that the startup time is about 30% faster than it was.
I'll keep messing with it tonight to see if I find anymore kinks...
Coogan
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Just a heads up.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3012278/microsoft-windows/microsoft-sets-stage-for-massive-windows-10-upgrade-strategy.html
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The behavior of the Win10 nag screen can get ridiculous at times. Today I worked with an HP laptop which popped up the ad. Nothing new with that, but the text in the ad was somewhat funny. After touting that the owner should upgrade ASAP, there was a text saying "The upgrade can't be performed because your computer doesn't meet the requirements". :O
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When I had 8.1 installed on my laptop I'd gone to blackviper.com and disabled, for the most part, all the "safe" processes. I never even got the Win 10 offer until I restored my laptop OS so evidently one of those processes was stopping the Win 10 offer. Might be worth some testing to determine which one it is.
That said so far I'm pretty happy with Win 10. I went to the privacy settings and turned everything off and recheck them after updates but no issues so far.
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Did you have optional Windows Updates unchecked in your previous installation? Unchecking that tickbox can save you from much hassle if you do it right after installing Windows, before installing any updates.
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Yes. I only had critical updates automated.
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Yes. I only had critical updates automated.
That's why you didn't get the Win10 offer.
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That's why you didn't get the Win10 offer.
That's okay. Microsoft has a solution on the way. They are moving that update from the optional to the recommended list. This means if you have auto-updates enabled, you are going to get it. They have announced it will be moving sometime this month or next month.
Once they do that, the only way to stop it is to disable auto-updates and run the Windows Update utility manually and than make sure to disable that update from coming down. You will not be able to hide that update (along with another one) to stop it from coming down.
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Megahard hacking their own OS, love it.
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Based on past MS profit making methods since w95, I would WAG windows 11 will touted as the fix for w10 and w11 will not be free.
I am being forced to w10 since my wife's computer is w10. She always has questions like what happened to my contacts in my email.
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Microsoft has already announced Windows 10 is the last operating system they will release. They are switching to a "service based" business where they may/could/probably will start charging for updates/upgrades to the operating system.
As to how it all playes out, we will just have to wait and see. Judging from the number of people who cannot do without their "sparklies" I would wager they will do very well with that approach.
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Microsoft has already announced Windows 10 is the last operating system they will release. They are switching to a "service based" business where they may/could/probably will start charging for updates/upgrades to the operating system.
As to how it all playes out, we will just have to wait and see. Judging from the number of people who cannot do without their "sparklies" I would wager they will do very well with that approach.
Maybe time for the world to move to Linux. At the very least it sounds like an opportunity for an upstart to steal market share.
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--- they may/could/probably will start charging for updates/upgrades to the operating system.---
Knowing how many people wouldn't like to pay for the OS itself, I can see a great opportunity for hackers attacking unpatched computers. Remember Blaster, for which a patch was released almost a month prior to the appearance of the worm? Eight (8) Million systems got infected because they weren't updated or otherwise made immune. Also note that back in 2003 there were much less computers than today, and even less connected to the Internet. http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ (http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/)
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It would actually present an opportunity to Microsoft to create hacks/viruses/bots/malware/spyware and release them into the wild for the sole purpose of attacking unpatched computer systems.
Of course, they would not directly do such a thing. It would appear out of nowhere from some system on the other side of the world.
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Your criminal imagination is even darker than mine...
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Microsoft has already announced Windows 10 is the last operating system they will release. They are switching to a "service based" business where they may/could/probably will start charging for updates/upgrades to the operating system.
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I know that is what they said. :D But I wonder why they gave this version a number?
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I know that is what they said. :D But I wonder why they gave this version a number?
Pretty had to have something to indicate it different from other versions.
Remains to be seen if they can actually convert to a service based business. It all depends on the adoption of Windows 10, which has not been going that well, hence the near panic efforts they are making to coerce people to upgrade.
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Judging from the number of people who cannot do without their "sparklies" I would wager they will do very well with that approach.
For many it is not a matter of "sparklies", it's a matter of security updates and compatibility with new computers/motherboards. I'd still be on Windows 98 if it weren't for the fact that my new motherboard made Win 98 unstable and I need to upgrade to XP to get it to work. Now that XP no longer gets security updates I have to upgrade again (not really, I just installed Ubuntu). Since 98 there has not been anything I can think of off hand that was added to Windows that I actually wanted. Lots of things were taken away or changed to be annoying; Vista took away sound card audio processing, Win 7 was just Vista without the 3D interface, Win 8 added a touch UI for a non touch PC while removing the Start Menu (and adding what I consider to be intrusive advertisements in the updating Tiles), and Win 10 just gave back the Start Menu (sort of, instead of hierarchal it's just a alphabetical list of all your programs?) while adding a bunch of tracking. Can anybody tell me a feature added to Windows that I would actually want (besides DirectX 12) that would cause me to upgrade Windows because I want to instead of because I have to?
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For some reason, people are quite okay with Microsoft loading up spyware on their computer, yet if a third party did it, they would be screaming about it.
If people would simply stop upgrading to Window 10, it would serve to extend Windows 7 for even longer than the year 2020.
It is within the power of the consumer to force Microsoft to stop the madness and provide a proper operating system which does only what it is suppose to do and nothing more. I know it will not happen.
Too many people talk about how great Windows 10 is regardless of all the spyware embedded in it. People are desperately trying to disable it, when all they really have to do is remove Windows 10 and keep it from proliferating.
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For some reason, people are quite okay with Microsoft loading up spyware on their computer, yet if a third party did it, they would be screaming about it. - - -
Too many people talk about how great Windows 10 is regardless of all the spyware embedded in it. People are desperately trying to disable it, when all they really have to do is remove Windows 10 and keep it from proliferating.
People simply don't know or understand Microsoft is loading up spyware on their computer. They get fooled by fancy phrases like "telemetry" and "diagnostic tracking" and "customer experience improvement", assisted by a hidden threat of falling off the radar. Nor do they know about Google saving all of their searches if they're logged in as a Gmail user. The same goes for Facebook or any social media. The list goes on, just study any wide audience service that requires logging in and you'll find they'd be logging your behaviour by default.
Being part of the group, be it a real or virtual community, is a basic need for all of us. Even this thread is a proof of it, I type this to justify my existence here... The marketing people know it and they'll keep utilizing the power of subliminal advertising until higher authorities prohibit it. Unfortunately that is something that won't happen. Some examples: http://www.businessinsider.com/subliminal-ads-2011-5?IR=T (http://www.businessinsider.com/subliminal-ads-2011-5?IR=T)
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I could write a long article on what is happening and what is coming, but no one would care and would, in all likelihood, dismiss it as a rant of a paranoid person.
It is sad to see what is going on.
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- - -no one would care and would, in all likelihood, dismiss it as a rant of a paranoid person.
This^^^ :salute
(https://networkingnerd.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/don-quixote-windmill.jpg)
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I care. :(
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Oh, I know.
Many years ago, I was sitting in a meeting with Microsoft and a large contingency of people from the company I was employed by.
At the end of the meeting, my boss asked me what I thought about it. I told him, "It sounds like they are getting out of the Xenix business". Everyone looked at me like I was nuts, even giggled a bit. and told me it was ludicrous to consider.
They were so put off by my remark, I was not invited to the next meeting, three months later. One of them came back from the meeting and told me, "You were right. They just told us they are dropping Xeinix support."
I just looked back at him and said, "What bothers me is out of all the people in that meeting, I was the only one to hear what I heard.".
There are major changes getting ready to happen and not in the best interests of the consumer.
I care. :(
Some will, but not enough to make a difference.
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I just got an email from "the Outlook Team" saying
---we will be making some changes to our email services that --- will prevent your email from being delivered to the Windows Live Mail 2012 application you use. --- We also recommend all Windows Live Mail users --- to upgrade to Windows 10 and use the built in Mail application to stay connected and get the latest feature updates.
I'm OK with the update part, and getting Win10 is only a suggestion in that message. There was also a link for the update directing to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49486 (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49486) (actually /fi-fi/, of course). What caught my eye was the phrase "Install this update to resolve issues in Windows." which I've learned to connect to that kind of optional updates we've just discussed to be avoided. So I looked at the associated Knowledge Base article https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3093594 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3093594) which only told
This article describes an update that offers Windows Live Mail 2012 support for Exchange ActiveSync. This synchronization protocol is used by all versions of the mail application in the Windows Store.
Not too much information there, at least not in a form that I would understand. Would it be safe to install the update? More important, would it be necessary in order to be able to read hotmail messages if this is the only system I read them with?
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That is a tough one. It does go with an announcement Microsoft made concerning not providing any information about updates. They did not say exactly when they were going to stop doing it.
Maybe (speculation) they are testing limited information about updates to help smooth the transition to no information.
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That is a tough one. It does go with an announcement Microsoft made concerning not providing any information about updates. They did not say exactly when they were going to stop doing it.
Maybe (speculation) they are testing limited information about updates to help smooth the transition to no information.
MS is sounding worse every time I come in here. :bhead
Living in Silicon Valley, I thought what John Sculley did at Apple was stupid, and that Fiorina at HP was a moron, but this path could be even more destructive for everyone, as well as Microsoft. It brings to mind the breakup of AT&T.
I wondered if their CEO was another media marketing guy, he isn't. Most following this probably know, but for those that don't... He (Satya Narayana Nadella) has been the driver behind their Cloud and Enterprise (think IBM in the '60) group. Moving everyone to a subscription and putting them on the "Cloud" has huge advantage for MS, Google etc. By changing the wording of the Windows license, MS can cut off anyone not paying their fees. That's previous case law from several years ago, but I couldn't find the article to cite. One only need to look at Office360 to see what's going to happen.
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There's another point. My father asked me over last week to have a look at his system, because Office 360 had disappeared. Now his machine has Office 2016 on it. Microsoft reports it was because of "known issues," of which there was no word of until the update.
I use Windows Live Mail. When I "upgraded" to W10 I installed Live Mail from the MS website. It was Live Mail 2011 and not the newer 2012. This month MS sent me an email that reported that I needed to update my "Live Mail 2012," or I would begin having problems in January. They linked to a patch in the email, but the patch would not run because I was still using 2011. After updatedin to 2012 the patch would not run, because I was using a newer version. What?
This would be the perfect opening for anyone that could create a new OS. I realize there are too many people that would not switch, but I know there would be plenty that would.
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Please excuse me if this is a rant.
That OS has already been created. I use it every day.
But how can you convince people in this day and age where everything is so dumbed down and the attention span is so short.
I recently bought a tablet to control my telescope for some long exposure photography. I figured I could install linux on it. Well, MS and the manufacturer had conspired to hose the ROM so that I could not do that. That is the real problem. MS and hardware manufacturers locking you in to one option. And other people like Google appearing to be all for the community and open source and then pulling MS like tactics as well.
It makes me want to ditch PC's all together. But then how would I fly AH?
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Yep. I worry at least as much if not more about Google than Microsoft. Google has spying down to an art while MS is still fumbling around trying to figure it out.
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Yep. I worry at least as much if not more about Google than Microsoft. Google has spying down to an art while MS is still fumbling around trying to figure it out.
I admit that Google knows how to do it, but at least they give you the option to stop saving your activity even if you were logged in with your Google account. I suppose that if they violated the user's settings, they could lose big money in court. Microsoft doesn't give that option, AFAIK.
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Google is no better than Bill Gates
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Windows is openly spyware. Others have come out too. But, I am not sure there is any OS out there that is NOT spyware. Even Gnu (and I was once a believer in the church of St IGnucious) bothers me because of where it comes from..MIT. And look at the Debian random number generator issue that happened in the past. Scary.
The empire owns the PC land folks.