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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: molybdenum on December 02, 2015, 08:11:26 PM
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What's your problem with it?
I'm trying to figure out the mindset of the players who are deeply displeased when someone flies for another team for a day or two. I truly don't get it (except if someone jumps sides to ambush a mission they otherwise would not have known of, that is clearly uncool).
Well?
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question is why do you have the need to switch? I have friends in all 3 countries. I have flown with rooks and knights and maybe a week or 2 with bishops.
I used to switch a lot before not because I couldnt get kills but because I wanted more kills. I thought it was all fun, I was switching several times a day, back when it was a 1 hour switch. then I got killed by this guy that I had just saved him from a couple of others and he went back and landed switched countries and came back and killed me. I was damaged, low on fuel and little ammo.
after that I never switched. like I said I have friends in all countries. I dont need to fly along them to know they are pretty cool. I have met a couple in real life .
semp
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after that I never switched.
semp
I don't understand, was he mad at you?
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why is it nobody likes bish?
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why is it nobody likes bish?
Rooks/Knights just sounds cooler
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First of all I'm not "deeply displeased" when someone flies for another team. Frankly I don't care.
I was always an AZ in AW and have always been a Bish in AH other than one time I was pissed at Bish for being idiots letting another country steamroll us while they attacked undefended bases (I got over it after switching to defend the bases the Bish were attacking) and a couple of times specifically to fly with people in other countries.
After nearly 20 years I've found everything goes in cycles (generally measured in months). Sometimes you have the numbers, other times you don't. I don't like always being on one side of the numbers equation or the other so just staying put and rolling with whatever happens seems to work out fine for me. Lack of fights, ENY, Hordes; you get to see it all and learn to make fun no matter what.
If you want to switch more power to you. I don't see the point.
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I don't understand, was he mad at you?
nope.
semp
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why is it nobody likes bish?
ooh ooh i know! its because... they never flew bish. :old:
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In laymans terms i dont switch because i am in a squad who chooses as a whole not to switch.. I have people on all 3 sides i respect and some i have met personally.... 1maddog1 lyric1 drbone unklbone nefarious and a few i forgot....
Dont get me wrong i have respect for others in game who are not on the knights and would in a heartbeat help any of them out if rhey asked for help... I have been a knight since i came on over 10 years ago and i have been happy since....
Does that answer your question???
Lawndart
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(Un)like Lawndart we are a very loose squad or rather a bunch of small squads and individuals sharing a voice channel on our own language. Sticking to one chess piece serves as a meeting point also to those who never read the forums or other media.
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been a bishop since 03 I love being hated :devil I have however switched about 8 times to nits to cut up on vox with my nit friends or to try and save a nit base from being taken over by the rooks to save a map I like I have some rook friends I like to fly with as well but just haven't switched yet. .I don't give away top secret info to any country lol not even my bish. .sometimes when I switch I get my balls busted by both sides but those that know me easily get over my switching......someone once said if you limit yourself to just playing for one side you're limiting your fun as well. .I agree
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why is it nobody likes bish?
Freud
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I am not anti-side switch, just part of a squad that is very comfortable in Knight real estate.
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I think side switching makes the game more fun! Staying on one side limits your interaction with other players, can limit your play style, and can be less challenging. I think switching to side that is getting hoarded is a lot of fun and creates opportunities for more fighter action. Instead of coming to the BBs and complaning about not finding fights, I switch to the team that is getting hoarded and try to ruin that Hoard and create fights.
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I think the challenge is the side switch timer restricts the free movement between chess pieces.
I know it's been shortened recently, but even 6 hours is enough to cause frequent side switching to be problematic for folks that like to fly with a squad. Let's say I log in, and the only squad member on. I see the bish are the low numbers, so I switch. Now I am here for 6 hours. As others in the squad come on, they too have to switch lest we be labeled spiez (zoomoog!). So now, 10 squaddies are on, we have all switched sides, and now the bish are the high numbers, and we have ENY. Since we are stuck in bishland and it's not kosher to divide the squad into opposite sides anyway, we haven't accomplished our original goal of side balancing, we are more or less screwed.
The AK's have resolved this by rotating each tour, and that's the best I think we can do.
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The AK's have resolved this by rotating each tour, and that's the best I think we can do.
That's how the Ferrets do it, too. This confers two advantages: you get to fly with and against everybody, and more importantly, you get to avoid all the political BS that comes with country loyalty. Even make-believe nationalism drives some folks to madness. We get quite enough of that on the public comms... I don't need to make myself crazy listening to that nonsense on private vox,too.
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The AK's have resolved this by rotating each tour....
You're heads will fall off.
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I applaud those who do and I think everyone should try it; I did 3 tours with the bish and it was great. Funny thing is that after fighting some of the most dreaded/infamous players, then fighting along side those same players, you learn that they are usually the nicest people. Its cool when players like Jayro, Ruaml, IraqVet and others visit the rooks and they give it their all just as they would for their home sides.
Also fighting your former teammates is a lot of fun, for example Dr7 and I simu-killed each other a bunch of times while I was on bish and had a big laugh afterwards. Try it! <S> Hetz
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You're heads will fall off.
In my experience that hasn't happened yet. Instead though, lots of heads have rolled (Nit and Rook this month, as we moved to Bish Dec 1) :neener:
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Is it still a 12 hour rule? :headscratch:
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:police:
Is it still a 12 hour rule? :headscratch:
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Never switched as Duxford is a Rook Squad. I could care less who switches to each their own. To me it makes no difference if you switch or not the game is the same no matter where you fly from I would imagine...
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Some people are good side switchers, some people are bad side switchers.
Not everyone liked Henry Ford's choice of colors.
Ford wrote in his autobiography, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black".
Eventually Fords were produced in all kinds of colors. So side switching is a preference just as side loyalty is a preference. Everyone one in the community is living out a fantasy by playing this game. To some that fantasy includes loyalty and traitors. That won't change nor should they have any effect on your choice to stay or switch sides. They do not pay your monthly subscription to Hitech.
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I have been a knight for awhile, but I did rotate on a regular basis to all three countries in the past. It gives you an opportunity to get to
wing with the players in all three countries. It is fun. No one has ever given me a hard time.
Give it a try !
<S>
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I have only come across two players that are vehemently against side switchers.... I don't know everyone ...that is true, but I believe I have managed to play against/with most of the roster over the years.... Only time I have seen it being really hated on is when someone has changed for the pure reason of grieving.... But then I do try and keep a low profile and most know what I am there for so my experience is probably different to some others
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question is why do you have the need to switch? I have friends in all 3 countries. I have flown with rooks and knights and maybe a week or 2 with bishops.
I used to switch a lot before not because I couldnt get kills but because I wanted more kills. I thought it was all fun, I was switching several times a day, back when it was a 1 hour switch. then I got killed by this guy that I had just saved him from a couple of others and he went back and landed switched countries and came back and killed me. I was damaged, low on fuel and little ammo.
after that I never switched. like I said I have friends in all countries. I dont need to fly along them to know they are pretty cool. I have met a couple in real life .
semp
Your choice, but why do you give those that do a hard time?
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I used to switch a lot before not because I couldnt get kills but because I wanted more kills. I thought it was all fun, I was switching several times a day, back when it was a 1 hour switch. then I got killed by this guy that I had just saved him from a couple of others and he went back and landed switched countries and came back and killed me. I was damaged, low on fuel and little ammo.
after that I never switched.
semp
I don't understand but I'm curious. Was it the event that you describe hear the reason you don't switch anymore or is it a coincidence.
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Semp's experience with 1hr side switching is something I had not thought of. Kind of sobering to think about. Right now it would take being truly PO'd to get stuck unable to switch for 6 more hours over something that silly. But, you sure could get one very tiny nasty bit of revenge.
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Switching sides never really crosses my mind often, personally. When I joined I flew as Knight. After a year or so the bishops needed numbers one night so I became Bish. While there, I joined the claim jumpers. Years later, when the squad switched to Rook I went with them. Since then I have stayed Rook.
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I don't understand but I'm curious. Was it the event that you describe hear the reason you don't switch anymore or is it a coincidence.
that is the reason. see I had been doing the same thing for a long time. would be in a furball then switch and kill those I had been flying with a few minutes before. some complained and I just laughed about it.
when it happened to me, I had a few kills and we really got into a good fight to save that guy as he was being ganged. it was me and somebody else who saved him. he's a well known guy that flies a p38. he was able to retreat as we were still fighting. he landed and switched, I dont think he specifically targed us. but both of us were missing lots of parts, hardly no ammo or fuel. we both got killed easy.
that's when I understood why some people got mad at me when I switched. Now I dont care if you switch or not, it's your 14.99. but after playing for 8+ years, dont insult me and tell me that most guys will switch to help the low side. that is bs. because I knew quite a few people that switched hourly and it was just to get more kills.
semp
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I switch from time to time just to hang out with friend on the other sides. I stay Knight because I seem to fit in better with the mentality of the non "war winning" side, if we take a base, great if now oh well at least we had a good fight trying to keep it. Plus LawnDart touches me in my "Special" place :banana:
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I have always been a Knight..
its a no brainer..
We have all the sheep,
rook have goats and Bish have each other..
I`m sticking with the Knights
<S> Jimmy
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that is the reason. see I had been doing the same thing for a long time. would be in a furball then switch and kill those I had been flying with a few minutes before. some complained and I just laughed about it.
when it happened to me, I had a few kills and we really got into a good fight to save that guy as he was being ganged. it was me and somebody else who saved him. he's a well known guy that flies a p38. he was able to retreat as we were still fighting. he landed and switched, I dont think he specifically targed us. but both of us were missing lots of parts, hardly no ammo or fuel. we both got killed easy.
that's when I understood why some people got mad at me when I switched. Now I dont care if you switch or not, it's your 14.99. but after playing for 8+ years, dont insult me and tell me that most guys will switch to help the low side. that is bs. because I knew quite a few people that switched hourly and it was just to get more kills.
semp
I had a similar experience years ago. I was working on deacking a base and a guy was helping me. He got killed, but didn't reup. Next thing I know, he kills me from the base I was attacking. What a sweetheart.
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I don't really have an allegiance to any one side. The only reason I ever switched was to find a fight. Never been a fan of clubbing baby seals or fighting 6 friendlies for one red guy so I would go to the team who had the most red guys to kill. But that's when I wasn't in a squad. When I finally did join a squad, I flew wherever they did. The only team I tended to avoid was the bish because they used to be the horde team. That's not as true as it used to be these days. Now it's just logistically easier as a squad to stay on one side rather than herding cats to get them all on the same page/team.
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. Plus LawnDart touches me in my "Special" place :banana:
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Switching sides never really crosses my mind often, personally. When I joined I flew as Knight. After a year or so the bishops needed numbers one night so I became Bish. While there, I joined the claim jumpers. Years later, when the squad switched to Rook I went with them. Since then I have stayed Rook.
We were on Bish once??? I know that CJ's are orginally a Nit squad, and that they moved to Rook ages ago. We went back to Nit for a month then came back to Rook. But not once have I heard anyone say we were Bish at any point nor have I seen it myself. :headscratch:
Logged in for the 1st time, was Rook. Minus one month when CJ's went to Nit, I've never left Rook. Never seen a need too and STILL don't see a need too. :) There ARE exceptions however, like if there is a massive bomber raid being launched by one of the other sides against, well, one of the other sides. I will switch to the bomber side. :D If it is against Rook, then it's in the air. I love me bombers after all, but it's fun to wing with the squad to intercept as well. :x
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im not anti side switching but i have seen some dirty play because of it a few times. im sure a few rooks remember when a few long time bish players came to rooks and then took a bish base that moved their strats to the back of the map. this happened 3 times that i know of by the same players. after they took the base, they all went and sat in tower to drive eny up.
another time, one of the same dirty players who did that dirty play, was a rook. one of our cv's was deep in enemy territory and this guy switches back to bish and 10 mins later, here he is bombing that boat.
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Just a note on a superficial observation. Those that switch countries rarely ever chat on the vox. A very small point but an interesting one anyway.
I have been a Rook since day one. After nearly three years these people are like good neighbors. If i started with the bish or the knits it would be the same way I am sure.
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I switch to fight the high numbered side, without any allegiance to any particular country. Fight the horde, wherever it coagulates. :devil
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I switch to fight the high numbered side, without any allegiance to any particular country. Fight the horde, wherever it coagulates. :devil
I think its less "coagulate" and more "spew"
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I think its less "coagulate" and more "spew"
Nah. It's usually just lumped up somewhere, occasionally oozing to another part of the map slowly.
I still don't get the issue with side switching. Semp's example is perfect. Gameplay-wise, what difference does it make if it was a guy that switched and came up and attacked you, or a guy that happened to come along by chance or educated guess? A red plane came along when you were weakened, a fight ensued.
Wiley.
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Nothing wrong with switching.
The ONLY problem I have with people that switch are the ones that were on VOX with you when you are shelling a base, then launch the attack and suddenly get sot down or you shoot down that person that was JUST on VOX with you. That is how I judge people. Take advantage of an attack. Afterwards though the fights are fun, however, it is spineless to suddenly switch after hearing and knowing what is about to happen, in the moment. That is in MW...
In LW, there seriously are no issues. Some do switch to locate and report CVs. Again, spineless. However, people do it and it can't be stopped. So why worry about something you can't control?
We switch as a squad. Usually planned well in advance. We DON'T switch individually.
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SlipKnoT
G3-MF
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My two cents:
I think rotating around is healthy. I can say with conviction that moving around keeps the game fresh for me. I almost left the game this year, and figured why not, switch to bishop and see what that's like before I totally throw in the towel. And the move made a difference. I won't be quitting any time soon. I can't guarantee I'll stay bishop for eternity, but I won't be quitting.
With that said, I'm not sure if switching every few days is for me, but I can see it being fun to follow the fight and say hi to everyone on a regular basis. I've been on all 3 countries, and all 3 countries are chock full of good joes. Each country does have its own personality, though.
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In laymans terms i dont switch because i am in a squad who chooses as a whole not to switch.. I have people on all 3 sides i respect and some i have met personally.... 1maddog1 lyric1 drbone unklbone nefarious and a few i forgot....
Dont get me wrong i have respect for others in game who are not on the knights and would in a heartbeat help any of them out if rhey asked for help... I have been a knight since i came on over 10 years ago and i have been happy since....
Does that answer your question???
Lawndart
Nope, nor has anyone else's response, though I appreciate the input. I'm just trying to figure out the mindset of the minority of players who are truly, deeply offended if you decide to fly for another side for a day--not to jump a mission, or kill someone you don't like, but just for a change of scenery. I fly bish 98% of the time, but sometimes they ("We! I meant "we!" lol) get into a furball mentality that I find frustrating and I'll switch over to nits. And sure, I'll fight bish when I do if that's what's needed to help my new side prosper.
So, again, does anyone reading this thread have a problem with it; and if so, please explain what it is.
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Switching sides reduces the hate. Everyone knows the hate is what drives everything. Sheesh... where you guys been?
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Rooks/Knights just sounds cooler
Rooks/Knights same country, just different color flag.
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I switched to rooks because Knights kept trying to capture bases with GVs only from a CV.
With the everything up on enemy base :old:
I can play anyside i choose because i am awesome :old:
Rooks are just as daft as knights :old:
Bishops are defo light on their feet.
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I don't side swap because the squad hasn't changed forever.
Why change? High ENY keeps you out of the uber planes? To join a side about to win a map? To hit a hidden cv from another side? To spoil a mission? There are many bad reasons to change to which I don't want to be associated.
All countries are very much alike. The Bish seem to have a few Jedi mind control experts that can round up hordes more often, but all sides manage to roll bases and get rolled.
We were on Bish once??? I know that CJ's are orginally a Nit squad, and that they moved to Rook ages ago. We went back to Nit for a month then came back to Rook. But not once have I heard anyone say we were Bish at any point nor have I seen it myself. :headscratch:
We rotated to all countries back in the shameless recruiting days.
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We rotated to all countries back in the shameless recruiting days.
Ah... That would explain the itching I had for a little bit after I joined. :noid
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The Bish seem to have a few Jedi mind control experts that can round up hordes more often, but all sides manage to roll bases and get rolled.
All 3 sides do... Trust me, They are all the same. All 3 say "the XXX horde", "the XXX HO", "the XXX pic"..
What I find funny is when we rotate, the same guy who calls me a picker when I am red to him, give me a "WTG" when I do that when I am green. I just smile and move on :lol
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I'm just too damn lazy to select the option :old:
Osiris
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I never seen a need to do it in AW.....
See no reason to do it here....
Cavalry
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I very rarely switch, but I will on the occasion that I want to get in a couple fighter sorties and there are no quick fights to be had flying with my normal country, Rooks. My only affiliation in this game are with my squadron. Fly how you want, fly with whichever country you want... As long as you're not switching for a malicious reason I have no issue with it.
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I haven't logged in awhile, but back when I was playing regularly it was quite common to fly on 2 or even all 3 sides in the course of the week. Being able to move around was a big contributor to my enjoyment of the game. It was fun to fly with the players that I had been previously flying against and visa verse.
In all my time doing that I generally didn't encounter a lot of push back, I attributed primarily 2 factors.
1. I was always VERY careful about where I flew and what I said. I would join an existing fight or if I knew a cv location I would wait for it to flash a base or otherwise reveal it's presence before saying anything. In an online community perception is as strong as reality. When I switched sides what I said and did also reflected on any other player that switched sides.
2. I also made a point to announce my presence on the new country. That way if someone was uncomfortable with it they could avoid me, or change their communication. If directly asked I was always up front about where I came from and why I moved.
It didn't take long for the questions to stop, and I'd like to think that everyone knew that I wasn't there to exploit or spy for one side or the other.
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I never seen a need to do it in AW.....
See no reason to do it here....
Cavalry
exactly......
back in 2000 and 2001 while our squad was coming from AW to AH in mass groups..we tried Bish for a few months, we switched to Knights for a good bit, think we tried the Rooks for like maybe a week, and switched back to Knights..... been here ever since..... not many of us fly regularly like in those old days, but we're getting it back to what it was, just takes a blink of an eye and another 20 years will have passed......and this same subject will be brought up once more for the upteen thousandth time.... ( anyone in our Squad is allowed to jump sides to fly with longtime friends or to even find a fight if they want too
but don't all of you know that the LWMA is there for just practice for the real awesome fun events? is how I've always looked at it
TC
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exactly......
but don't all of you know that the LWMA is there for just practice for the real awesome fun events? is how I've always looked at it
TC
Maybe for you TC but personally I have never taken part in any event and probably never will.
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Maybe for you TC but personally I have never taken part in any event and probably never will.
One will never know if they like it and want it or not, if they never take the first step!
TC
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Maybe for you TC but personally I have never taken part in any event and probably never will.
Your missing out on the best parts of the game.
I rarely log into the MA anymore but wait anxiously for the next scenario. I also flew FSO one night and that was fun but different. I've also played in a couple of This Day In's. They're more of a cross between the MA/AVA and scenarios. Who knows, I might even revive the dueling bracket this year. It was almost always fun (but sometimes frustrating).
I've never tried KOTH or Racing League so can't speak to them.
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Maybe for you TC but personally I have never taken part in any event and probably never will.
The events are pretty much one of the best parts of this game.
If some people complain about how disorganized the MA is, they should go play in the special events. They are more realistic, 2 sided, geared to specific planes and battles, really are a lot of fun to participate in, and very well organized.
I kinda feel the same way the TC does where the MA is just sorta practice for the special events like FSO, KOTH, and combat challenge. Although I always consider KOTH to be great practice in general.
If you are tired with the MA, I'd highly suggest giving the special events a try. You won't regret it.
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I second third and fourth everything these gentleman said.
Best part of the game is the events. :aok
I just came back after being gone about 10 years, and started flying the events only. I've started flying MA now but ya, really only to get the rest of the rust off for events.
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I second third and fourth everything these gentleman said.
Best part of the game is the events. :aok
I just came back after being gone about 10 years, and started flying the events only. I've started flying MA now but ya, really only to get the rest of the rust off for events.
Add me to that list. I just wish I lived further west.
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One will never know if they like it and want it or not, if they never take the first step!
TC
I've taken that first step a few times and can say that FSO, and scenario type play is NOT my cup of tea. I much rather jump in a plane of choice.... what ever that may be at the time, fly toward a dar bar and just have at it.
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but you took the chance to find out if you liked it or not, Fugi!
I have tried all the events Aces High has to offer ( which are created by Volunteers, btw ), and I participate in the ones I think I will enjoy
Violator, yes I think of KOTH as "advanced training / practice of SA" , besides being a fun event.... I've played in the KOTH events ever since STICK of the 327th created it back in AW, then HTC let it become a monthly event here...
TC
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I never know what I'm going to be working until a few days prior so can never commit to something. My main problem is I don't get much chance to play so when I do I like to fly whatever I want to and do whatever I want. These days I'll only be in the air for a few minutes and my wife will need something so I have to log out.
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XBRIT please turn in your man card to the nearest authorities :devil :rofl
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XBRIT please turn in your man card to the nearest authorities :devil :rofl
Why is it a crime against manhood to look after your disabled wife ?
ok I'm done .
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Why is it a crime against manhood to look after your disabled wife ?
ok I'm done .
Relax man. I don't think he was aware of that situation. I'm sure he assumed the normal wife ack many of us deal with.
:salute and I know your pain. I have a similar issue.
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My apologies xbrit. Didn't realize your wife was disabled. Irregardles, my quip was uncalled for.
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I don't think most don't mind. I would guess the real issue is switching sides and then help horde the country you switched from.
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I am a knight 99% of the time, simply because I have been from day one and our flag is the coolest. I will switch over to rook every now and then. Rooks are an alright bunch. I rarely switch to bish simply because newcomers tend to get a colder reception, last time I was there about 50% of people wouldnt give me the time of day.