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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: diaster on December 23, 2015, 12:12:15 AM
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While in a field gun today I watched an nme con avoid a co-alt advisory to vulche our guy on the runway. This was just after he had shot this guy down and he was re-upping. It was like he was rubbing the poor guy's nose in it. He kept hounding him while he struggled to get up off the field all the while avoiding totally legit encounters near by. Ack, no effect!
This action coming from, an uber player, if you base that title on kills vs deaths. No class at all from this UberTard!
So... What is it? Is being number 1 in aces high that big of a deal, really? Are some people's RL that sad that their ego needs this kind of action? Sure it's just a game, but still.
I say make base ack lethal. Too often I see guys just fly right through it, no biggee!
On a positive note, the ubertard didn't get to land his vulches and to have everyone see his name in lights with all those "kills"
! Someone came across him sneaking away. It was a real contest, ubertard lost!
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While in a field gun today I watched an nme con avoid a co-alt advisory to vulche our guy on the runway. This was just after he had shot this guy down and he was re-upping. It was like he was rubbing the poor guy's nose in it. He kept hounding him while he struggled to get up off the field all the while avoiding totally legit encounters near by. Ack, no effect!
This action coming from, an uber player, if you base that title on kills vs deaths. No class at all from this UberTard!
So... What is it? Is being number 1 in aces high that big of a deal, really? Are some people's RL that sad that their ego needs this kind of action? Sure it's just a game, but still.
I say make base ack lethal. Too often I see guys just fly right through it, no biggee!
On a positive note, the ubertard didn't get to land his vulches and to have everyone see his name in lights with all those "kills"
! Someone came across him sneaking away. It was a real contest, ubertard lost!
I vulch for a larger strategic goal. Base defense. Base take. Other things. When I kill a guy a second time on a vulch I ALWAYS apologize. It is not personal. One plane suppressing rollers off a field is a force multiplier. His impact at the base the enemy is upping from is TEN TIMES what he can do at the point of enemy attack even with unlimited E.
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Not defending the "Ubertard" here but, the vulchee should have upped from another field.
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Been thataway since the beginning of time. Ya, it's kind of a reflection of poor sportsmanship.... but, this is not a sport. Nobody has to try-out, follow directions or observe some kind of code of honor (lol). Let the monkeys get their kills and beat their chest. We can't very well expect more of a monkey. Besides, it's fun as hell and nobody forces nobody to up a vulched field.
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Vulching is normaly a mean of shuting down a field in order to prevent the enemy from upping and defend the base. Its a dirty job but someone needs to do it. The other way is to bomb the hangars but deack and vulching requiers less planing amd coordination.
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Vulching is normaly a mean of shuting down a field in order to prevent the enemy from upping and defend the base. Its a dirty job but someone needs to do it. The other way is to bomb the hangars but deack and vulching requiers less planing amd coordination.
I can't bomb. It is not a question of planning. :P
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While in a field gun today I watched an nme con avoid a co-alt advisory to vulche our guy on the runway. This was just after he had shot this guy down and he was re-upping. It was like he was rubbing the poor guy's nose in it. He kept hounding him while he struggled to get up off the field all the while avoiding totally legit encounters near by. Ack, no effect!
This action coming from, an uber player, if you base that title on kills vs deaths. No class at all from this UberTard!
So... What is it? Is being number 1 in aces high that big of a deal, really? Are some people's RL that sad that their ego needs this kind of action? Sure it's just a game, but still.
I say make base ack lethal. Too often I see guys just fly right through it, no biggee!
On a positive note, the ubertard didn't get to land his vulches and to have everyone see his name in lights with all those "kills"
! Someone came across him sneaking away. It was a real contest, ubertard lost!
I loved when that happened. I stopped flying for score at the end of my active participation in the MA and loved base defense, but would almost always get a couple of kills each time upping from a vulched filed. I got off on the excitement.
Timing is everything and your countryman was foolish to roll with an enemy diving on him. You and he should learn from the GV players.
Tower out when you see the bombs or bullets on their way. To do otherwise is to die foolishly. I'll let you figure out what happens for the upper and the guy trying to vulch. One plane ups, then a countryman, and suddenly a serious challenge to the enemy occurs and you turn the tide, the base is saved. That's what this game is all about.
Only in the AvA will you find guys letting you up so they can fight with you, so if you're in the MA's that's a different game with it's own great challenges to be overcome.
Happy Holidays,
:cheers:
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Not defending the "Ubertard" here but, the vulchee should have upped from another field.
People who arent vets here wont understand this concept because 99% of flight combat games are structured towards arcade style action. With that said MajWoody is correct in his statement. If a player does not like to be vulched simply do not up from that base or man a gun.
You have to consider the time and effort that is put into vulching. From De-acking to maintaining the advantage and everything in between. Vulching is something earned by the player/players vulching and can be overcome. Not foul play here.
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I can't bomb. It is not a question of planning. :P
But V, bombing is easy they say :x :bolt: :salute
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I can't bomb. It is not a question of planning. :P
Its not hard to do but it takes much longer time for the bombers to reach alt and the target so they have to launch a lot earlier than the fighters. Dropping FH still allows bombers to up so it will take a bomber at least 3 runs to shut down a small field and thats means that the first hangers are just minutes from popping.
W sufficient numbers its a lot easier to deack and vulch, just launch a bunch of heavy fighters and go and have fun..
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Its not hard to do but it takes much longer time for the bombers to reach alt and the target so they have to launch a lot earlier than the fighters. Dropping FH still allows bombers to up so it will take a bomber at least 3 runs to shut down a small field and thats means that the first hangers are just minutes from popping.
W sufficient numbers its a lot easier to deack and vulch, just launch a bunch of heavy fighters and go and have fun..
:old: well said Zimmie! So much time goes into a good bombing run. Even then it takes a certain skill level to survive the trip in if defended at alt.
The only thing I slightly disagree with is it is hard to do if you factor in everything it takes and everything that can go wrong. To get it right takes experience that is hard earned from many mistakes and sorties.
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Forgive me Father for I have vulched!!
I have done it before and will continue to do it but I do not survive the Ack often.
I do understand the OP's point though. If you are a very highly ranked pilot would it not be better for the game to allow the other player to lift and have some fun? You would still have an advantage of speed and likely altitude. Clubbing seals on the field is not something the top players should do IMO.
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Diaster,
There are a couple of things I'd like to mention.
1. Vulching is part of the game.
2. If there are vulchers over your field, you roll from another field and come in with alt and E to kill the vulchers. It works well!
3. Instead of being in a manned ack watching your friendlies get vulched, up a plane yourself. They should not be able to vulch both of you. This way you both have a chance of at least one of you getting into the air.
4. It's not the vulchers fault, he just wants cheap easy kills, its the guy who keeps uppings' fault because he obviously doesn't get it.
I see you are voicing your opinion and displeasures with certain aspects to the game, but this is the type of raw game play you should expect when in a free world war type of game. People have no mercy. The enemy certainly has no mercy. You just have to learn how to be better than them. We all have our inconsistencies with the game, and it aggravates the hell outa me sometimes. But I've learned to play the game better, I take risks like flying a P40N this whole tour. I do what I can to up on a vulched feild so that I can defend and get 1 or 2 kills before I land or crash. It's the fun of the game and we have unlimited lives so it shouldn't really matter.
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I wonder how many new players quit over the years, because of getting repeatedly vulched for having the nerve to fight.
There is often only one or two bases flashing at a front these days. Fights have been becoming harder to come by. Isn't an earned kill much more satisfying? Or are they too hard to get?
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The guy was not forced to takeoff. Anybody with an ounce of reason knows they can up from another base.
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Vulching is the sport of Kings. :aok
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, vulch me once, shame on — shame on you. Vulch me — you can't get vulched again."
kong
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I never kill planes with their wheels on the runway. It's a waste of potential fun not only for the other guy, but for myself as well.
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Vulching is normaly a mean of shuting down a field in order to prevent the enemy from upping and defend the base. Its a dirty job but someone needs to do it. The other way is to bomb the hangars but deack and vulching requiers less planing amd coordination.
It is more normal these days to hear on the VOX, the dirtiest words in the game, "The vulch light is on."
There are a couple of squadrons who specialize in just deacking and vulching for score with zero intent on capturing the field.
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I never kill planes with their wheels on the runway. It's a waste of potential fun not only for the other guy, but for myself as well.
Agreed. Vulching is pretty lame.
- oldman
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If you up into the vulch, expect to be vulched. It is lame, as are many things people do in the game. If you can get up there's fun to be had, but you're going to eat some deaths while you're doing it.
Wiley.
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That's why there are manned ack at the base you were at. Pull the trigger. This game has the tools available to stop all sorts of play style you don't like.
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The only thing about vulching that bothers me, is the hots shots that complain bout "no fights" and they are the first ones to vulche. :furious
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when the vulch light is on, I used to up bombers, they were tougher to kill and you could always ram the bad guys with them. but that's just me.
what is this score everyone speaks of? the only score I know is easyscor!!
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The only thing about vulching that bothers me, is the hots shots that complain bout "no fights" and they are the first ones to vulche. :furious
+1 :aok
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As a serial vulchee I take offense at being called stooopid for not lifting from another base. If I cared that I die ten times to every one getting in the air than that would be a problem. If there is anything in the complaint department from me it would be disappointment in vulchers vulching when A.) they aren't trying to take a field B.) low population C.) 4 fighters to one. The late night game is kind of kookie as it is. It casts into sharper relief the differing ambitions of players so you get stooopid matchups of knuckleheads who just want to fight, (would be happier if everyone had 2 .20 cals,) and people who want the illusion of accomplishing something, especially the camaraderie of takening a base with some other fellows.
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But V, bombing is easy they say :x :bolt: :salute
I can never hit anything as a JABO.
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The only thing about vulching that bothers me, is the hots shots that complain bout "no fights" and they are the first ones to vulche. :furious
there you go, my feelings too. they dont want fights, they want kills, so they can look like cool guys.
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Trying to up from a hot airfield is not a good idea, but if you do decide to try it at least get 3 others to up at the same time, that way I can shoot one rocket and kill all three..... Rocket vulch's are awesome...
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I wonder how many new players quit over the years, because of getting repeatedly vulched for having the nerve to fight.
There is often only one or two bases flashing at a front these days. Fights have been becoming harder to come by. Isn't an earned kill much more satisfying? Or are they too hard to get?
If they fail to take the suggested route through the TA it is no fault of others. Many times the only fights are defending a base. Learn to do it right and you increase your chances of getting airborne. Then all you have to do is get a few to start the grind and help your friends get airborne. I have enjoyed doing this for years. Take off from a vulched base with the right people and time it right. Then thin the vulching forces enough to get the others after you and then your friendlies can start upping. Turn the tide so to speak.
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A quick tip for the Vulchee ... Don't continue to try to UP from a capped or vulched base thus adding to the vulcher's score pad sortie. Try not to make it so easy for them. :bolt:
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While in a field gun today
That pretty much says it all.
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A quick tip for the Vulchee ... Don't continue to try to UP from a capped or vulched base thus adding to the vulcher's score pad sortie. Try not to make it so easy for them.
And a tip for the Vulcher: No one respects vulch kills.
- oldman
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Nothing new, the game rewards selfish and coward behaviors only ;
All this nonsense sophisticated score, rank, hit%, kills /sortie/hour system encourages this behavior and has nothing to do with WW2 air combat.
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And a tip for the Vulcher: No one respects vulch kills.
- oldman
And nobody is vulching for respect. Like mentioned before in this thread, it is in an attempt to take a base.
I guess if someone kills the hangars, we could whine about that too.
Hell, sometimes some people can find anything to complain about.
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And nobody is vulching for respect. Like mentioned before in this thread, it is in an attempt to take a base.
I guess if someone kills the hangars, we could whine about that too.
Hell, sometimes some people can find anything to complain about.
Well put Lazer. :rock
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And nobody is vulching for respect.
Maybe yes, maybe no. I see people landing 10 kills to cries of "WTG Dude!"
When you're protecting inbound goons, I understand. Otherwise, I don't.
- oldman
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vulching with 500 lbrs,now thats fun :ahand
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Maybe yes, maybe no. I see people landing 10 kills to cries of "WTG Dude!"
When you're protecting inbound goons, I understand. Otherwise, I don't.
- oldman
someones reaction to 10 kills landed doesnt mean much on the vulchers intention. Most of the time, the "Way to go dudes'" congratulations have no idea how or where those kills were earned.
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Gentlemen's fencing club virtuous snobbery versus a cage match plebian brawl club. Them plebs pay the light bill.
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You want to cap a base for a capture, let the defenders get off the runway with a bit of speed. Takes more skill to kill someone who can maneuver, and give the defender a chance to avoid the "vulch". But of course we know nothing like that will happen. The kills and names in lights are farrrrrr too important these days.
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Hi, my name is Scott and I'm a vulchee..I've been vulched many times mostly by the rooks but it's always in conjunction with a base take..I'll keep upping over and over trying to get to town cause if I die no biggy it's a game if I make it to town and kill troops yay me..I make it to town every so often even get a few free auger kills...they are well coordinated and especially the night time crew normally gets the base..this is signified by me upping with ack killing me on the runway
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2. If there are vulchers over your field, you roll from another field and come in with alt and E to kill the vulchers. It works well!
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True, some maps make it very easy to up from another field and get back into the fight over contested field within a few minutes.
Others though, make it close to impossible unless you want to fly 2 sectors, at which time you get there base is already taken, in best case, can vulch the landers and return the favour.
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While in a field gun today I watched . . .
Now you know the player doesn't deserve the reputation you have allowed them.
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Just try to keep in mind that all vulching is not equal. The field cappers trying to prevent NME aircraft from strafing troops trying to take the town is perfectly acceptable. If your side is trying to take the field you couldn't very well do that giving the NME a clear path to kill your troops because of some chivalry code. That's silly.
Now the single knucklehead that's just taking a pass down the runway with the express intention of vulching just to vulch is another thing entirely. But if that happens to you more than once, who's fault is that really?
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True, some maps make it very easy to up from another field and get back into the fight over contested field within a few minutes.
Others though, make it close to impossible unless you want to fly 2 sectors, at which time you get there base is already taken, in best case, can vulch the landers and return the favour.
I agree, that is sometimes the case. It happens.
Do you think in real war they cared or wanted the other team to get their planes in the sky? War is nasty, so is AH. I've been vulched plenty of times. I think last night I vulched a few planes for the first time in years because the fight died by the time I got to the enemy base and it appeared like we were going to capture the base. If it wasn't me, the other 12 guys there would have done the deed.
Sometimes in a big raid there is just nothing you can really do if other bases are too far away.
I'll fix, if you can roll about 7 people in all different directions at the same time, you might have a chance.
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The Typhoon vid Floob posted has me in the mood for some good ol' rocket vulching.
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I agree, that is sometimes the case. It happens.
Do you think in real war they cared or wanted the other team to get their planes in the sky? War is nasty, so is AH. I've been vulched plenty of times. I think last night I vulched a few planes for the first time in years because the fight died by the time I got to the enemy base and it appeared like we were going to capture the base. If it wasn't me, the other 12 guys there would have done the deed.
Sometimes in a big raid there is just nothing you can really do if other bases are too far away.
I'll fix, if you can roll about 7 people in all different directions at the same time, you might have a chance.
Again, this stupid comparison :rolleyes: This is not war this is a game. In the spirit of the game I personally like to let the enemy get off the runway. I time my dive to catch them with wheels up and up to at least a maneuvering speed. This also puts me in a position of moving away from any ack that might be up after my pass. If my aim or their maneuvering makes me miss, then I guess the "other 12 guys" will finish him off.
The point is we are here to play a game..... well some of us are. A lot of other players seem to have found out how to get chicks/money/fame by having large kill counts or high kill/death numbers. Whats more fun, killing a guy while his engine is spooling up, or beating him in a fight where you "may" get shot down? If someone get off the field and shoots the troops then as a mission you failed. Regroup and try again, why? because its a GAME!
Fight for the base, fight to keep the enemy at bay while you get troops in, fight to HOLD the base after you do capture it. That is what this game is built around. The more fights there are going on the more fun there is going on, hasn't anyone else noticed that? If all there are in the air are big hordes.... boring. If all there are on the ground.... as in Greebo's wonderful map are GV and you DON'T like to GV........boring. If a lone !^%!$head NOEs and drops HQ and the lights go out..... boring. Get the point?
Fights generate fun. Fun generates numbers. Numbers generate more fights. Like Pyro said, "Don't be a Dick". Learn to fight not how to HO and vulch.
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Again, this stupid comparison :rolleyes: This is not war this is a game. In the spirit of the game I personally like to let the enemy get off the runway. I time my dive to catch them with wheels up and up to at least a maneuvering speed. This also puts me in a position of moving away from any ack that might be up after my pass. If my aim or their maneuvering makes me miss, then I guess the "other 12 guys" will finish him off.
The point is we are here to play a game..... well some of us are. A lot of other players seem to have found out how to get chicks/money/fame by having large kill counts or high kill/death numbers. Whats more fun, killing a guy while his engine is spooling up, or beating him in a fight where you "may" get shot down? If someone get off the field and shoots the troops then as a mission you failed. Regroup and try again, why? because its a GAME!
Fight for the base, fight to keep the enemy at bay while you get troops in, fight to HOLD the base after you do capture it. That is what this game is built around. The more fights there are going on the more fun there is going on, hasn't anyone else noticed that? If all there are in the air are big hordes.... boring. If all there are on the ground.... as in Greebo's wonderful map are GV and you DON'T like to GV........boring. If a lone !^%!$head NOEs and drops HQ and the lights go out..... boring. Get the point?
Fights generate fun. Fun generates numbers. Numbers generate more fights. Like Pyro said, "Don't be a Dick". Learn to fight not how to HO and vulch.
So you think getting your wheels off the ground is going to make a difference? I think you are being a little bit far fetched. If I'm flying around a base solo and see a plane rolling, then I'd let them get some speed to fight. The fact that you tried to up in a birds nest of cons and complain about getting vulched means you either care too much about your rank or you quite frankly didnt know what you were rolling into. The game is about fighting, but there is simply no mercy in AH. That's what makes the game difficult and why most people have a hard time learning it. This wasn't a furball vulch, it was a base take cap and I think you should be aware that these things happen in a an open war scenario.
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If I can get wheels up in an La7 on a field that is being vulched? It is music to my ears. Sure it is my fault if I get vulched, but most worry about their stats and I won't.
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So you think getting your wheels off the ground is going to make a difference? I think you are being a little bit far fetched. If I'm flying around a base solo and see a plane rolling, then I'd let them get some speed to fight. The fact that you tried to up in a birds nest of cons and complain about getting vulched means you either care too much about your rank or you quite frankly didnt know what you were rolling into. The game is about fighting, but there is simply no mercy in AH. That's what makes the game difficult and why most people have a hard time learning it. This wasn't a furball vulch, it was a base take cap and I think you should be aware that these things happen in a an open war scenario.
Well maybe your not as hot shot a pilot as you think you are. Give me 200 mph and 100 feet off the ground and I can survive a number of passes by MOST vulches. Those with some skill and a good aim will have an easier time with me, but at least I have a chance and it makes the game fun. Had you guys let me get off the runway I would have kept upping to try and defend. Score isn't important, nor are the number of kills I get. As it was.... seeing as there was a full enemy dar bar and NO friendly dar I knew very well what I was getting into. I was hopping for some quick action but all I got was popped before I could get rolling. So I went some place else to find a fight and you and your "12 other guys" got to circle an undefended field until some one finally dropped troops.... was that fun?
If I can get wheels up in an La7 on a field that is being vulched? It is music to my ears. Sure it is my fault if I get vulched, but most worry about their stats and won't.
Exactly !
People seem to be too tied up in the score and kill death crap. It gets in the way of having fun.
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Just try to keep in mind that all vulching is not equal. The field cappers trying to prevent NME aircraft from strafing troops trying to take the town is perfectly acceptable. If your side is trying to take the field you couldn't very well do that giving the NME a clear path to kill your troops because of some chivalry code. That's silly.
Now the single knucklehead that's just taking a pass down the runway with the express intention of vulching just to vulch is another thing entirely. But if that happens to you more than once, who's fault is that really?
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That is the one I don't get. Pass up flying plane to vulch the field. LOL
BTW when I up at a field being vulched, I up in a P38. If it ain't fun it ain't worth doing.
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It's fine Fugi, I'll take my achievements in the special events and my current fighter and attack rank (meaningless, I know) over your "not as hot of a pilot as I think I am" claim. I'm not up to 1v1 par with my new JS as of yet, but it won't be too long. As far as the skill I've achieved in the MA, I think I know what I am doing with the situations that present themselves in the MA, KOTH, Combat challenge, and FSO. The fact that your team allowed the vulch to begin in this first place is your own teams fault. Just because I vulched someone during a cap on a base doesn't represent my skill level, it represents how stupid it is to roll at the base knowing the consequences and then complaining about it. You know just as well as I do people are vulching at a capped base. For you to go this far and get on your high horse about a dumb vulch during a base take means you are taking it too seriously. Everyone knows we've all done this at one point during a base capture.
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It's fine Fugi, I'll take my achievements in the special events and my current fighter and attack rank (meaningless, I know) over your "not as hot of a pilot as I think I am" claim. I'm not up to 1v1 par with my new JS as of yet, but it won't be too long. As far as the skill I've achieved in the MA, I think I know what I am doing with the situations that present themselves in the MA, KOTH, Combat challenge, and FSO. The fact that your team allowed the vulch to begin in this first place is your own teams fault. Just because I vulched someone during a cap on a base doesn't represent my skill level, it represents how stupid it is to roll at the base knowing the consequences and then complaining about it. You know just as well as I do people are vulching at a capped base. For you to go this far and get on your high horse about a dumb vulch during a base take means you are taking it too seriously. Everyone knows we've all done this at one point during a base capture.
Yeah, V doesn't need to vulch.
I've bounced him with advantage many times and got flamed. I think vulching would bore him.
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LOL!!!! enjoy all those achievements and rank and all it proves is how shallow you are. All of it doesn't mean squat. This is a game. It doesn't matter how many kills you have because as far as any one knows they were all vulchs against players who couldn't defend themselves. What does matter is how much fun the game is.
Vulching guys as they spool up their engines may be fun for you :headscratch: but to the vulchie, not so much. Picture a new player trying out the game, he sees a flashing base, a large dar bar and so looking for action ups from the base, where he get killed before he can even get rolling. After a few attempts he may try another field which means he gets back to the fight long after the capture and everyones gone.
Sounds like a sucky game to me, why bother spending $15 for this? and another one is gone.
There are many so called "big names" in this game that ho and pick (as being the 3rd or 4th guy in on a single player) vulch and do other lame play that does nothing but increase their score or name in lights and does nothing to improve game play in the arenas. Luckily we have players like those of the 80th and such that play for the fun of it. You don't see them vulchin fields. You don't see them fighting IN the horde, but more often than not AGAINST the horde.
The point of this is to play the game. Sure I can see where a guy gets ticked off after being vulched after all I did last night. Did I expect to get vulched, yup sure did. Did I expect to get vulched by one of the so called top players, not at all. Todays players don't want to play the game any more. Fighting kills your score and stats, unless you one of the elite (and seeing as you can't let a guy get off the ground Im guessing you aren't one of them :devil ). With more and more players avoiding fights and just going with the crowd doing lame game play the crowds are getting smaller. There is nothing wrong with this game, its the players who are killing the game.
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First of all, I was in a 109 g2.
Secondly, I had logged on and just rolled not 5 minutes before I shot you. There was a big enemy dar bar there. It collapsed as I was on the deck heading toward your base. We had roughly 25 friendlies there by the time I got there, base and town was flat, it was time to take the base. I swept in saw 2 guys rolling and popped them real quick. It was merely luck and timing I even got the kill.
Go take a break Fugi, I don't play this game for you. I play it for myself and my enjoyment in fighter planes. My achievements mean somethimg to me and that's all that matters. I play for fun, competition, and practice. I don't like dying any more than anyone else. If I truely wanted EZ kills I'd fly a temp or a 190D and that's no fun, I already proved that last January. We all get vulched, relax and play the game more strategically next time.
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The day I realized that "name in lights" mattered? When Sabby and I rolled F4F's and were ganged by six Spitfires of at the time "the self proclaimed elite squad of the game". We shot them down and then eight finally were able to shoot us down. But there were no salutes because both parties knew what transpired and they struggled against a pair of "inferior planes and sticks". Sure we were shot down in the end, but they embarrassed themselves enough in the process and moved as a group to the opposite side of the map.
Some need the trophy case as a crutch. I say f**k the trophy case and practice what you keep preaching to me.
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Ok so just to recap, Fugi's ticked off that Violator switched sides to the low numbered side, found that everyone on that side was flying at one place only, flew to that place, and didn't have the decency to break off when Fugi upped at a (heavily) capped field, so as to allow one of the other 15-20 planes there to get him instead.
As a result, this single moment in the game will now define Violator's career forever.
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Well Vudak I started on the bish, but that's pretty much what happened lol.
I didn't reup after that and played BF4 for a good bit before I switched. I didn't even run another sortie on bish.
But! I switched to the rooks an hour after that sortie to fight the hoards. Funny enough, the tide changed real quickly after that. So, I don't even want to hear it.
We all have are high n fly moments against the odds and that's great, but when you attack my level of play, be prepared for examples of why those statements are irrational. If you get vulched on a capped base you have no one to blaim but yourself.
Furthermore, why are you rolling on a runway and not out of the hanger!! :old:
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Ok so just to recap, Fugi's ticked off that Violator switched sides to the low numbered side, found that everyone on that side was flying at one place only, flew to that place, and didn't have the decency to break off when Fugi upped at a (heavily) capped field, so as to allow one of the other 15-20 planes there to get him instead.
As a result, this single moment in the game will now define Violator's career forever.
LOL!!! Vudak, you have known me a long time and know much better than that.
I'm not "attacking" violator directly, but his type of player. He said ....
" I don't play this game for you. I play it for myself and my enjoyment in fighter planes. My achievements mean somethimg to me and that's all that matters. I play for fun, competition, and practice"
That is all fine and dandy but when his play is detrimental to others play, much like the HQ hitters it isn't good for the game. Why should his play style have more weight than any others? We are all playing in the same sandbox here. If that type of play....vulchin, HOing, avoiding fights, ganging becomes the mainstay of game play how long do you think the game will last?
There was a recent thread on the DA, how it is no longer populated. Everyone knows why nobody plays there any more, due to lame game play.... picking, HOing, using perk rides to pick from perches, jumping in on duels even when asked not to. Shall we watch the MA go the same way?
The only reason I called out violator here is because his "better than you attitude" that he seems to come across with on these boards, and in the game. It "big names" like his that could help bring change to the game, but instead I seem to find him falling to the dark side more often than not when I run into him.
I join in these conversations not because Im frustrated, tho all of us do get that way one time or another, but I bring up these points because I'd like to see the game get bigger and better. I don't see that happening if the trend toward lame game play continues. Sure we have always had lame game play, but it was a much smaller percentage of players doing so. That number continues to rise slowly but surely and with over all numbers dropping that percentage goes up pretty fast.
Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution.
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Winning isn't everything--it's the only thing.
This game is about combat. There are no points for second place.
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I guarantee you that if more people adopted my play style there'd be a lot more furballs, action, and kills going on. Your just mad because the hoard got you. The bish over ran the rooks. We captured your base and you got vulched. Whoopedoo.
I'm going 22-1 in a 109g2 right now. I can't run, I've fought myself out of many predicaments. When you can get that kind of response out of early/mid war plane in the late war, that is not detrimental to game play, that is flying style. Maybe other players should learn to play the game better and develop their skills. I've tought many people how to play and fight better in this game. I've helped many people get better at this game. My game play is detrimental because I've practiced the game for many years. If they are too weak to keep playing than that represents their character not mine.
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I guarantee you that if more people adopted my play style there'd be a lot more furballs, action, and kills going on. Your just mad because the hoard got you. The bish over ran the rooks. We captured your base and you got vulched. Whoopedoo.
I'm going 22-1 in a 109g2 right now. I can't run, I've fought myself out of many predicaments. When you can get that kind of response out of early/mid war plane in the late war, that is not detrimental to game play, that is flying style. Maybe other players should learn to play the game better and develop their skills. I've tought many people how to play and fight better in this game. I've helped many people get better at this game. My game play is detrimental because I've practiced the game for many years. If they are too weak to keep playing than that represents their character not mine.
Again with the patting yourself on the back.... LOL!!! you just don't get it. I bet I could get to 22-1 in a 109 if all I did was vulch :neener: LOL!!!
As I said before, had I been able to get up with 200 mph and a hundred feet under my wings it wouldn't have mattered how many times you or your 12 other guys would have killed me I would have kept upping just for the fight, just to pit my meager skill against you and the 12 other guys giving you and your 12 other guys SOMEONE to fight. I would have gladly given you and your 12 other guys 20 kills just to have 20 fights.
But todays players can handle that. Just like they cant handle fighting for a base with the radar still being up, or flying at an altitude where they can be spotted.... heaven forbid! Everyone is in hit and run mode because they need to show they can have a 22-1 in a 109g2 :rolleyes:
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What I think is far more detrimental to gameplay than vulching, is someone holding people to some Jedi-knight-meets-annoying-libertarian-at-the-party standard where the strictest honor code must be upheld in all MA engagements.
This is detrimental because it is basically a fat, slow, meatball of a pitch for the people who have been flying for 10, 15, 20 years yet who still can’t deal with a co-alt, and alert con. They get to point to just how restrictive and ridiculous a code this is when they’re talking to the hordes of newer players they take into their squad and therefore under their wings on a daily basis. They get to call such people “one-dimensional” or “suicidal,” and they get to keep convincing newer folks to never try and improve.
Of all the lame things in the game, vulching and ho’ing bother me the least because they are the two lame things I can generally easily avoid. Also, as much as we give the 10, 15, 20 year “vets” crap about them when that’s all they do (and there are plenty of people like that), for some newer guys, these are really their best chance of ever getting a kill and I do believe they need one of those now and then to come back tomorrow.
I like you Fugi, we go back, and I’m not trying to bash you here, but take a second and think about what I just said… I really do think this exact scenario plays out.
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wow, look at all the 1337 skillz. :rofl
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What I think is far more detrimental to gameplay than vulching, is someone holding people to some Jedi-knight-meets-annoying-libertarian-at-the-party standard where the strictest honor code must be upheld in all MA engagements.
This is detrimental because it is basically a fat, slow, meatball of a pitch for the people who have been flying for 10, 15, 20 years yet who still can’t deal with a co-alt, and alert con. They get to point to just how restrictive and ridiculous a code this is when they’re talking to the hordes of newer players they take into their squad and therefore under their wings on a daily basis. They get to call such people “one-dimensional” or “suicidal,” and they get to keep convincing newer folks to never try and improve.
Of all the lame things in the game, vulching and ho’ing bother me the least because they are the two lame things I can generally easily avoid. Also, as much as we give the 10, 15, 20 year “vets” crap about them when that’s all they do (and there are plenty of people like that), for some newer guys, these are really their best chance of ever getting a kill and I do believe they need one of those now and then to come back tomorrow.
I like you Fugi, we go back, and I’m not trying to bash you here, but take a second and think about what I just said… I really do think this exact scenario plays out.
I vulch one time in months, don't even remember the last time, in order to help capture the base, which is the point of the game and did happen in real life. And now after all the things I've achieved in this game, to be ridiculed by players who could never achieve them, telling me about skilll, and yet they don't see the fallacy because doing the things that represent skill don't qualify as being "skilled" in the eyes of some vet players because they chose not to fly at the same competive level as me therefore making the game detrimental to their success.
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Don't like being vulched? Don't roll from a CAP'ed field.
Shooting someone in a parachute is unsportsmanlike. Whacking uppers is just cartoon war.
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What I think is far more detrimental to gameplay than vulching, is someone holding people to some Jedi-knight-meets-annoying-libertarian-at-the-party standard where the strictest honor code must be upheld in all MA engagements.
This is detrimental because it is basically a fat, slow, meatball of a pitch for the people who have been flying for 10, 15, 20 years yet who still can’t deal with a co-alt, and alert con. They get to point to just how restrictive and ridiculous a code this is when they’re talking to the hordes of newer players they take into their squad and therefore under their wings on a daily basis. They get to call such people “one-dimensional” or “suicidal,” and they get to keep convincing newer folks to never try and improve.
Of all the lame things in the game, vulching and ho’ing bother me the least because they are the two lame things I can generally easily avoid. Also, as much as we give the 10, 15, 20 year “vets” crap about them when that’s all they do (and there are plenty of people like that), for some newer guys, these are really their best chance of ever getting a kill and I do believe they need one of those now and then to come back tomorrow.
I like you Fugi, we go back, and I’m not trying to bash you here, but take a second and think about what I just said… I really do think this exact scenario plays out.
I personally try to play by an honor code but I don't expect others to follow it.
All Im saying here is as this is a game of combat why not have combat instead of either avoiding it, or cutting any chance of it developing by vulching and HOing? It not a "code" of any sort, its just providing more opportunity for fighting. Thats all.
I see the problem getting worst as now more and more "vets" are doing this as you so mentioned. I have seen a lot of "vets" doing more and more of this lame play and they used to be the standard others followed. I probably have film of a dozen of them HOing vulch and picking from a horde. I only named violator because he brought it up that he was vulching last night and tied it to an "well in the war" comparison. At which point he got on his high horse defending his game play.
The leaders in this game need to lead toward good game play, not lame game play.
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I was vulching last night too... I think I have a film of getting 2-3 vulches, and then also HOing someone. But in the same film, I also had a white-knuckle fight on the deck vs. Yucca's P-47N, and then another great fight against Wizer's Ki-84. I was in an La-7. Both of them got picked before we could reach a resolution and both fights were still up for grabs. There's a very good chance I would have lost either.
The point being, how many in that crowd do you figure would risk landing 2-3 kills to go "all in" and turn fight, especially once they figured out the guy flying the other planes knew what he was doing, and if they had a plane that could have exited either fight at will? There were other red cons around too, as well as flak nearby.
I'll bet you Violator would have as well as a few others but most of them would have turned and ran.
You're calling out the wrong kind of people <shrug>
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I personally try to play by an honor code but I don't expect others to follow it.
All Im saying here is as this is a game of combat why not have combat instead of either avoiding it, or cutting any chance of it developing by vulching and HOing? It not a "code" of any sort, its just providing more opportunity for fighting. Thats all.
I see the problem getting worst as now more and more "vets" are doing this as you so mentioned. I have seen a lot of "vets" doing more and more of this lame play and they used to be the standard others followed. I probably have film of a dozen of them HOing vulch and picking from a horde. I only named violator because he brought it up that he was vulching last night and tied it to an "well in the war" comparison. At which point he got on his high horse defending his game play.
The leaders in this game need to lead toward good game play, not lame game play.
The leaders need to remind people not to roll from a CAP'ed field.
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I was vulching last night too... I think I have a film of getting 2-3 vulches, and then also HOing someone. But in the same film, I also had a white-knuckle fight on the deck vs. Yucca's P-47N, and then another great fight against Wizer's Ki-84. I was in an La-7. Both of them got picked before we could reach a resolution and both fights were still up for grabs. There's a very good chance I would have lost either.
The point being, how many in that crowd do you figure would risk landing 2-3 kills to go "all in" and turn fight, especially once they figured out the guy flying the other planes knew what he was doing, and if they had a plane that could have exited either fight at will? There were other red cons around too, as well as flak nearby.
I'll bet you Violator would have as well as a few others but most of them would have turned and ran.
You're calling out the wrong kind of people <shrug>
so all in all your ok with a mediocre gaming experience were where you were happy with a few cheap kills and when you did get a fight someone else ended it for you. This is what I'm talking about. People are getting to be ok with a few vulchs. We use to have people who wanted to fight like Wildthng, Dred, +Blue, Delirium and so on. These guys almost never were at the top of the score board but they were the best of the best. This back when each flight ended up with a fight, not chasing someone through the ack over and over until one guy was down, or vulching a field for a few quick easy kills.
Im not saying making it against the rules to vulch. Like you said it is the first type of kills new players get, but "vets" don't need to do it. They have the skills to fight for a kill. Soon or later new players will strive to get better like those "vets" and they will leave the vulchs behind as well.
The players we have now just don't want to fight and lame game play will kill this game.
The leaders need to remind people not to roll from a CAP'ed field.
Upping from a capped field can be a blast if you get your wheels up and don't care about getting killed a lot. I did try last night a couple of times but decided they didn't want a fight, they wanted easy kills so I went else where.
There are many times I've asked the "cap" to let them get off the ground. Some time they do, some times they don't. It just depends on who there and what they are after. Ever see Latrobe fight? He ups under a cap and is fighting 2 or 3 before he is out of the ack.
Im just trying to suggest that those who stand out as the "top guys" might want to lead by example and try to get people to move more toward fighting than lame game play thats all. The gaming experience is up to the players. We can either play lame, or try for something a bit better for everyone.
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so all in all your ok with a mediocre gaming experience were where you were happy with a few cheap kills and when you did get a fight someone else ended it for you.
No, I'm saying I vulched when that was what was available and I had a couple of great fights when that was available. I had a good time.
I love fishing, but I have a lot more fun when I let the bass tell me what they want, than when I go to a lake and say "I'm going to use a jig all day." This same concept applies to this game too. If I log in and say "I'm going to fly an F4F all night," when conditions really warrant a D9, I'm not going to have much fun.
I took 4 years or so off and I don't notice much difference in the gameplay at all to be honest. The only difference is my attitude towards it.
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Fugi you are the one who brought up my skill.
I don't think you understand the situation. I was not leading a charge. I was providing a cap on the base so C47 could get there. I had only been flying for 5 minutes prior to the vulch on my way to the base. Do you think I wanted to waste my time vulching a base? No! I've been here for 10 years. I don't need to vulch to prove my rank or anything. I was benefiting my team period. Not to mention I know you are being hypocritical because I know you've most likely done the same thing while your team was capturing a base.
Hell I flew a P40N all last tour just for the competiton and thrill of flying a harder plane. I don't need to fly easy mode planes or vulch to prove any stats. I have the Stats I do because I understand how be a good fighter in the MA. That is all there is to it. There is no way you will stop this hoarding, vulching, HOing, gameplay, it's built into the psychology of a war game and especially one that is a MMO style. You have to be the one to adapt and kill the players who do this instead of being a victim to it. That's just how this game works.
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....and it is sad that this is the way it goes. Change to the same lame play or look for another game instead of trying to enlighten people.
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Is this thread about being vulched, or gameplay that you find distasteful? There is no but yourself to blame if you get vulched. As for gameplay, there are many players and even entire squads whom I disagree with the way they go about their business, but I don't let it eat me up. Personally, there have been many of times where I fly solo under 8k to an enemy base with no other response then 88's. At which point I will proceed to deack. If your the poor sob that ups afterwards, I will vulch you.
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Personally, there have been many of times where I fly solo under 8k to an enemy base with no other response then 88's. At which point I will proceed to deack. If your the poor sob that ups afterwards, I will vulch you.
Why?
- oldman
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Why?
- oldman
Exactly
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Exactly
Well that I can get. If you two are the only ones around, c'mon, let him up and make it fun.
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How do you know if the one in the plane is the one that was just in the manned gun you took out? if he won't up even with his ack up why would he after he doesn't?
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On second thought I'll just shut up and let the grown ups talk
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Heck, i have brought a single TU2 to hostile fields at 3k and circled the base, only response was the ole wirb-queen brigade and 88's. Furthermore, I have nothing against people in 88's, although I do not particularly like wirbs, "I think they ought to be regulated to ports and Vbases without spawns, but as I stated earlier if I up solo and proceed to a enemy base and nothing substantial ups after 5 minutes I will deack it. With that being said, if i deack a base, "My main AC is not exactly the best deacker either" If I have enought fuel or ammo, I will go for the vulch.
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Vulching is a gift from the gods.
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Shooting someone in a parachute is totally fun! :t :rock :x
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Never shot a chute before, and I don't vulch landing planes.
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You clown. Lol
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If chutes weren't meant to be shot at, they wouldn't explode when you hit them. Shooting chutes is another way to practice your gunnery skills, those little meat bags hanging in the chute are small targets, takes a good aim to hit them.
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If chutes weren't meant to be shot at, they wouldn't explode when you hit them. Shooting chutes is another way to practice your gunnery skills, those little meat bags hanging in the chute are small targets, takes a good aim to hit them.
heheeh Well said!
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Learn to fight not how to HO and vulch.
:salute
I see both sides of this. Vulching can be a valid tactic when trying to take a base. (And fun lol! Have you ever done it with the 40ENY yak7? Soooo many perks.... Especially when you get an air to air kill with the anti tank rocket! haha! :x ) People should up at another base if it bothers them. Butttt It sucks when you're vulched and you just want a good fight. :bhead
I really hate HOing Hoers, Especially if I nose down hard to avoid it and you fill my cockpit with lead. Where's the fun in Hoing? I want a ten minute fight, not to wine about a HO on 200. What's with the guys who've been playing 10 years with four stars doing nothing but HOing? C'mon guys. Don't get me wrong, If I get HOed I'll HO back and get your wing, And when you cry about it on 200 I'll send you the film. I'll make sure your four star face is red with embarrassment. - true story.
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I up'ed from another field after I was forced to land gear-up on a vulched field (and survived).
I arrived just in time to see a bunch landing of the newly captured field, or in circuit doing it.
I Dropped my bomb on a buff set, and strafed 2 others in process of landing.
I wish I'd saved screenshots of those PM's I got :D
Shooting chutes is prohibited in Loose Deuce, the only exception would be allowed is if enemy jump out of a fully functioning plane over town to hide in HQ to kill troops.
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starting to do it? LOL they have always done it since I started in the game in 2005. the so called good pilots vulche and horde just as much as the next guy. Only difference I see in the so called good sticks is they stay high in the horde and pick when a good opportunity presents itself.
I personally try to play by an honor code but I don't expect others to follow it.
All Im saying here is as this is a game of combat why not have combat instead of either avoiding it, or cutting any chance of it developing by vulching and HOing? It not a "code" of any sort, its just providing more opportunity for fighting. Thats all.
I see the problem getting worst as now more and more "vets" are doing this as you so mentioned. I have seen a lot of "vets" doing more and more of this lame play and they used to be the standard others followed. I probably have film of a dozen of them HOing vulch and picking from a horde. I only named violator because he brought it up that he was vulching last night and tied it to an "well in the war" comparison. At which point he got on his high horse defending his game play.
The leaders in this game need to lead toward good game play, not lame game play.
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What's with the guys who've been playing 10 years with four stars doing nothing but HOing?
It's a reflection of the modern need for instant gratification.
Unfortunately, some of the absolute ~B E S T~ HO's in the game, are also some of the most "respected" for their cartoon abilities. I don't get it, but then I've never had a lot of respect for those who choose the easy way... or the lame.
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People who arent vets here wont understand this concept because 99% of flight combat games are structured towards arcade style action. With that said MajWoody is correct in his statement. If a player does not like to be vulched simply do not up from that base or man a gun.
You have to consider the time and effort that is put into vulching. From De-acking to maintaining the advantage and everything in between. Vulching is something earned by the player/players vulching and can be overcome. Not foul play here.
can de-ak a small airfield in about 30(2 people) sec to a minute(1 person) and.. lob a shell 2k out and hit a plane on the runway if i so desired.. nothing is "Effort" here.. its all easy that is why so many do it only airfield that poses a threat is large
never the less the OP's point is quite a good one.. and when you wonder why we have no new players hanging around and dropping arena numbers.. its not rocket science
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Vulching is evil , HOing is ghay sometimes it is fun to be evil.
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Shooting chutes is prohibited in Loose Deuce, the only exception would be allowed is if enemy jump out of a fully functioning plane over town to hide in HQ to kill troops.
On one hand, leaving them hanging in the chute means they aren't re-upping :)
In FSO, it's encouraged. It's against the rules to hang in the chute...
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wondering just exactly how many that have posted in this thread have read Brooke's "Good Game Etiquette" write up from back in the day?.......
maybe Brooke might post it, or someone else who has it archived........
hey everyone.... cheers
TC
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Hi ya TC :salute
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Scott will you just let the grown up talk please :bolt:
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Scott will you just let the grown up talk please :bolt:
was waiting for the grown ups but they never showed up :bhead
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I always thought that Aces High was a WWll simulation. You think a WWll pilot would pass up the opportunity to kill a plane on the ground? I'd say they would have been happy to get the kill while taking a plane out while on the ground. So goes it with this game. Even though it's frustrating to get vulched, it's part of the simulation of real war. For those of you complaining that vulching is frustrating for those poor newer pilots who are getting killed, therefore we should all stop doing it, what else do you want to eliminate that is frustrating? Go play the "Care Bears" game on PC if you want something non-frustrating.
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I always thought that Aces High was a WWll simulation.
* looks at hook *
* swims away *
- oldman
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Go play the "Care Bears" game on PC if you want something non-frustrating.
is it available in all good retailers? What age range would you recommend it for? Looking for something less stressful than AH.
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getting vulched is 100% the uppers fault,anyone who crys about it should consider upping from a uncapped field
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It's a reflection of the modern need for instant gratification.
Unfortunately, some of the absolute ~B E S T~ HO's in the game, are also some of the most "respected" for their cartoon abilities. I don't get it, but then I've never had a lot of respect for those who choose the easy way... or the lame.
I am one of the best hoer in the game. nobody respects me. who should I complain to?
and by the way, there's only 1 rule in the game and that is that all red planes must be killed. I'll do anything to bring the red con down, I'll ho it if I have to, vulch it, rocket vulch it, bomb it, heck sometimes I'll even ram him if it is needed. and I expect to be treated the same.
those that play by a "code of honor" are just full of themselves. there's no honor in killing a con that you know is not very good at the game. and yet you do it all the time.
at least I am not a hypocrite.
semp
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I always thought that Aces High was a WWll simulation. You think a WWll pilot would pass up the opportunity to kill a plane on the ground? I'd say they would have been happy to get the kill while taking a plane out while on the ground. So goes it with this game. Even though it's frustrating to get vulched, it's part of the simulation of real war. For those of you complaining that vulching is frustrating for those poor newer pilots who are getting killed, therefore we should all stop doing it, what else do you want to eliminate that is frustrating? Go play the "Care Bears" game on PC if you want something non-frustrating.
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I always thought that Aces High was a WWll simulation.
You thought incorrectly. AH is a game that allows you to recreate aerial and ground combat using WW2 planes and vehicles and in no way tries to recreate or simulate WW2.
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"Harassment". Ahahah.
HTC will soon have demands from SJWs to create "safe spaces" within the game, or else they'll have people in tents setting up in their parking lot to protest.
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"Harassment". Ahahah.
HTC will soon have demands from SJWs to create "safe spaces" within the game, or else they'll have people in tents setting up in their parking lot to protest.
Stop microaggressing me! :cry
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It's way more fun vultching a plane sitting on the re-arm or.
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Isn't there a meme about threads that should be dead somewhere?......
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Isn't there a meme about threads that should be dead somewhere?......
+1
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See Rule #4
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And then there was someone who was finally PNG'd. I bid thee good riddance.
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And then there was someone who was finally PNG'd. I bid thee good riddance.
A-freaking-men!
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completely uncalled for wizz, not cool at all
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Little did we know this was a self portrait of someone begging for their BBS privileges to be restored
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Heh, just saw the PNG, deserved but I dont think its anything to celebrate.
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Heh, just saw the PNG, deserved but I dont think its anything to celebrate.
Sure it is. Opens up another spot on my squelch list. :aok
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Little did we know this was a self portrait of someone begging for their BBS privileges to be restored
:rofl
Heh, just saw the PNG, deserved but I dont think its anything to celebrate.
I think post spamming will see a marked decrease as a result...
Thanks all for sticking up for me on this one.
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"Harassment". Ahahah.
HTC will soon have demands from SJWs to create "safe spaces" within the game, or else they'll have people in tents setting up in their parking lot to protest.
I guess you haven't seen this thread unbombable area round the vehicle spawn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377300.0.html)
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Sure it is. Opens up another spot on my squelch list. :aok
yeah you're right; he added little more to the game than infantile trolling. Good riddance.
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