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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Excaliber on January 02, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
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Updated to Win 10 lately but I cant decide if this may be the result of my problem. about a week ago I tried to log in and I got great frame rates initially. After takeoff from any base the frame rates went to 30 or nill within 30 seconds. There is no change in the vid mem count ...just the frame rate. I do not think windows 10 has anything to do with it but why is the game doing this after the last 15 years of stable connections? what to check on my system? Or is there a known problem with win10?
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I might add, most of the time my stick settings won't load. The game starts in mouse mode.
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did you update your vid card drivers for w10?
go into control panel, hardware and see if your stick is identified by windows, do a default calibration, make sure stick buttons work..
w10 supposedly has a lot of new meta data reporting crap, maybe that takes resources while gaming..........
the windows gurus will help better I'm sure......................... ...........
luck
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The Windows 10 Nazis will tell you to go back to 7.
Bunch of BS.
I've been using 10 since last July without a hitch. I think that the folks who are scared to upgrade are getting cheated.
They'll be behind the curve, IMOH.
Just my 2 cents.
Coogan
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If your video drivers came from Microsoft this could happen. Just download known good drivers, remove the bad ones, clean them, install the new ones. All good.
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@ Excaliber I'm not saying you'd have to, but in case you'd want to: If you did the upgrade less than a month ago, it's easy to roll back to your previous OS. If it's more than a month, a fresh reinstall is the only option. How to e.g. here (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/). Note that you'd still have time to do the free upgrade until July 2016.
@ Coogan I'm not a Windows 10 Nazi. Based on the 30 or so Windows 10 computers I've worked with so far I can tell for sure that not every computer is fully compatible with Win 10. I've even seen one Win 10 nag screen saying that the computer doesn't meet the requirements and still strongly suggesting the user to run the upgrade... And a laptop with a dual video card system which couldn't get the AMD drivers working. The workaround offered by the manufacturer would have been to run the drivers in 8.1 compatibility mode. Not something one would expect from "the best Windows ever (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features)"...
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@ Excalibur I'm not saying you'd have to, but in case you'd want to: If you did the upgrade less than a month ago, it's easy to roll back to your previous OS. If it's more than a month, a fresh reinstall is the only option. How to e.g. here (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/). Note that you'd still have time to do the free upgrade until July 2016.
@ Coogan I'm not a Windows 10 Nazi. Based on the 30 or so Windows 10 computers I've worked with so far I can tell for sure that not every computer is fully compatible with Win 10. I've even seen one Win 10 nag screen saying that the computer doesn't meet the requirements and still strongly suggesting the user to run the upgrade... And a laptop with a dual video card system which couldn't get the AMD drivers working. The workaround offered by the manufacturer would have been to run the drivers in 8.1 compatibility mode. Not something one would expect from "the best Windows ever (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features)"...
Perhaps I was a bit too harsh.
It just kinda erks me a little of how afraid people are to go to 10, especially now that it's free.
Some folks still don't understand about the 1 year deal. They think that they can try it for a year, then have to pay. A lot of those people are going to wait
too long anyways, then have to buy Window 10 after July, instead of getting it free now.
I hope we don't boycott AH3, just because it's new...
Coogan
{edit for spelling} :cheers:
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--- It just kinda erks me a little of how afraid people are to go to 10, especially now that it's free.--
There's a reason for it to be free. Microsoft wants the masses to uniform for some reason. I find it very hard to believe that the true reason would be something else than profiting the investors.
Some folks still don't understand about the 1 year deal. They think that they can try it for a year, then have to pay.---
That's new to me! Thanks, I'll have to listen to my customers with a keener ear. So far I haven't noticed such erroneous thinking, might also be because of the language.
A lot of those people are going to wait too long anyways, then have to buy Window 10 after July, instead of getting it free now.
Actually, I don't find that a problem for several reasons: - No one will lag behind by using 7 or 8 till the end of their supported life span.
- For the average Joe, any new computer comes with a preinstalled OS of the current flavour.
- Gamers who change their hardware often wouldn't benefit long from the free upgrade. Supposedly a motherboard change would be considered as a new computer, disabling the possibility to re-activate.
- By the end of 7 and 8 support lifecycles it'd be time to get a new computer anyway with the best available OS either preinstalled or bought separately, see the two above.
:cheers:
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The current map may be the culprit. This map, for some reason, is very rough on video cards.
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The Windows 10 Nazis will tell you to go back to 7.
Bunch of BS.
I've been using 10 since last July without a hitch. I think that the folks who are scared to upgrade are getting cheated.
They'll be behind the curve, IMOH.
Just my 2 cents.
Coogan
There are very rational reasons not to go with Windows 10.
1) Hardware compatibility. Windows 10 is not friendly to older hardware. This has been a real problem for a lot of people.
2) Telemetry. Some people really do not care for all the telemetry data Microsoft is gathering about everything they do. All that gathering can also interfere with the performance of many applications. They have been adding it to Windows 7 and I have seen it take as much as 15% of the entire computer resources when it runs. At least, for now, you can remove that from Windows 7. You cannot remove it from Windows 10.
3) Applications. Microsoft is removing applications it does not want people to use on Windows 10. If you happen to lose an application you like, your only choice is to revert back to your original OS.
Microsoft has said, this is the last version of Windows they are going to release. From this point on, they are switching to a service based business model. That means, somewhere down the line they will start charging some type of subscription fee. When? No one knows, but it is coming.
It is all about the cloud.
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There's a reason for it to be free. Microsoft wants the masses to uniform for some reason. I find it very hard to believe that the true reason would be something else than profiting the investors.
I can see why they want people to uniform to one OS. They are probably tired of trying to keep older systems up to date. Vista and all.
'Let's get everyone on the same page' perhaps.
- No one will lag behind by using 7 or 8 till the end of their supported life span.
True, but they will be very dumb coming into 10. (learning curve)
- Gamers who change their hardware often wouldn't benefit long from the free upgrade. Supposedly a motherboard change would be considered as a new computer, disabling the possibility to re-activate.
I strongly disagree with this. With Directx 12 being only available on Windows 10. (Mucho gaming improvement)
The only thing original on my PC is the case. There's no real problem installing new equipment. If it's a motherboard, then just give MS a shout and tell the that it's been
changed. No hassle.
Coogan
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There are very rational reasons not to go with Windows 10.
1) Hardware compatibility. Windows 10 is not friendly to older hardware. This has been a real problem for a lot of people.
2) Telemetry. Some people really do not care for all the telemetry data Microsoft is gathering about everything they do. All that gathering can also interfere with the performance of many applications. They have been adding it to Windows 7 and I have seen it take as much as 15% of the entire computer resources when it runs. At least, for now, you can remove that from Windows 7. You cannot remove it from Windows 10.
3) Applications. Microsoft is removing applications it does not want people to use on Windows 10. If you happen to lose an application you like, your only choice is to revert back to your original OS.
Microsoft has said, this is the last version of Windows they are going to release. From this point on, they are switching to a service based business model. That means, somewhere down the line they will start charging some type of subscription fee. When? No one knows, but it is coming.
It is all about the cloud.
Thought you was supposed to be on vacation... :old:
As far as older hardware, I have some dinosaurs of printers. The 'run in compatibility mode' has been working fine for me.
I honestly see no major issues as of yet. I don't do banking and all that on my PC, but other than that it's all good. :uhoh
Coogan
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Thought you was supposed to be on vacation... :old:
As far as older hardware, I have some dinosaurs of printers. The 'run in compatibility mode' has been working fine for me.
I honestly see no major issues as of yet. I don't do banking and all that on my PC, but other than that it's all good. :uhoh
Coogan
And that is great. Some people never see any issues, while others are having nightmarish problems. Just because you are not having issues, does not mean there are not any to be had. There are tons of reported problems with Windows 10.
Reminds me of the Windows 7 roll out. It also had a lot of problems in its first year. There were also those who claimed there were no problems. It is the same cycle with every Microsoft release.
Windows 10 is more controversial simply due to all the data mining they are doing and how Microsoft intends on distributing that data.
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And that is great. Some people never see any issues, while others are having nightmarish problems. Just because you are not having issues, does not mean there are not any to be had. There are tons of reported problems with Windows 10.
Reminds me of the Windows 7 roll out. It also had a lot of problems in its first year. There were also those who claimed there were no problems. It is the same cycle with every Microsoft release.
Windows 10 is more controversial simply due to all the data mining they are doing and how Microsoft intends on distributing that data.
Sure it has it's problems, no doubt.
I like to think of Windows 10 as a puppy I'm helping to train
All I can do is hope he don't poop in the house and not to hand him my money. :)
We're going to have to accept that 10 is here & now. Might as well bite the bullet and at least give it a shot.
Not just because it's the new show on the block, but soon to be the only show.
Can always roll back, if necessary.
Coogan
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You've been lucky for having no compatibility issues, Coogan. I suppose the majority of those who have upgraded have no issues they'd be aware of. However there's lots of people who do suffer from severe issues.
As for the activation thing, I only know that Microsoft refused to answer to the reporters asking about which hardware can be changed without hassle. The editors suggested that changing a hard disk or video card would cause no problem, but that changing the motherboard might do so especially because changing the mobo usually means a fresh reinstall. At the moment that can be bypassed by reinstalling the original OS and upgrading from there, but what will happen after July?
they will be very dumb coming into 10. (learning curve)
According to Microsoft they won't: "It’s the Windows you know, only better --- Familiar and up to date", "This combines the strengths of Windows 8 with Windows 7." etc. from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features).
A friend of mine works in an internordic household appliance store, mainly in the computer section. He had been on some lecture led by Microsoft spokespersons. What he found kind of disturbing was that the MS folks didn't talk about "updates", they talked about "new versions" instead. Now each "new version" has a new EULA, which will get automatically agreed with every major automatic update. Personally I don't like accepting agreements without having the option to read them first.
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You've been lucky for having no compatibility issues, Coogan. I suppose the majority of those who have upgraded have no issues they'd be aware of. However there's lots of people who do suffer from severe issues.
As for the activation thing, I only know that Microsoft refused to answer to the reporters asking about which hardware can be changed without hassle. The editors suggested that changing a hard disk or video card would cause no problem, but that changing the motherboard might do so especially because changing the mobo usually means a fresh reinstall. At the moment that can be bypassed by reinstalling the original OS and upgrading from there, but what will happen after July?
According to Microsoft they won't: "It’s the Windows you know, only better --- Familiar and up to date", "This combines the strengths of Windows 8 with Windows 7." etc. from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/features).
A friend of mine works in an internordic household appliance store, mainly in the computer section. He had been on some lecture led by Microsoft spokespersons. What he found kind of disturbing was that the MS folks didn't talk about "updates", they talked about "new versions" instead. Now each "new version" has a new EULA, which will get automatically agreed with every major automatic update. Personally I don't like accepting agreements without having the option to read them first.
I just installed this Asrock Pro 970 (http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970%20Pro/)
It was only a call to an automated system at MS, that instructed me to type in some numbers to verify.
After that, Windows was activated with the new MOBO.
Coogan
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Heck, I'd be happy to just get rid of the " Upgrade to Win 10" pop up I get every time I fire up my win 7 laptop....talk about a PITA
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Heck, I'd be happy to just get rid of the " Upgrade to Win 10" pop up I get every time I fire up my win 7 laptop....talk about a PITA
That's relatively easy to fix.
Start by going to Windows Update, select Change Settings and uncheck "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates"
Download and run "I don't want Windows 10". I always do it in the advanced mode. Sometimes it has to be run twice.
That's it. Until they decide the nagging advertisement is an "important" update.
While you're at it, uninstall the updates Skuzzy warned about here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528)
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Sure it has it's problems, no doubt.
I like to think of Windows 10 as a puppy I'm helping to train
All I can do is hope he don't poop in the house and not to hand him my money. :)
We're going to have to accept that 10 is here & now. Might as well bite the bullet and at least give it a shot.
Not just because it's the new show on the block, but soon to be the only show.
Can always roll back, if necessary.
Coogan
We really do not have to accept anything. There are always alternatives. Windows 7 is good until 2020. No telling what Microsoft will be shipping by then.
My personal computers have Windows 7 on them. When it dies, it will be replaced with something that is not from Microsoft. Ta Da!
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We really do not have to accept anything. There are always alternatives. Windows 7 is good until 2020. No telling what Microsoft will be shipping by then.
My personal computers have Windows 7 on them. When it dies, it will be replaced with something that is not from Microsoft. Ta Da!
I will make a prediction that by this time next year, you will have come to the dark side... mwahaha
Coogan
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I know for a fact that the other four leaders of the MISO group have ordered the move to Linux, thereby dumping Windows. In this next year I plan on building a Linux + Wine box to test how it works with games, Steam, and development apps like 3DS Max.
2020 is just four years from now.
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I guess I'll derail the thread a tad further by asking a question about Windows 10: why?
In other words, besides DirectX 12 which is apparently a significant improvement that will start being exploited by games in the future, why would I want Windows 10? Ignoring the obvious privacy and marketing issues, what exactly does it add that I don't get in Windows 7 or even Windows XP? My wifes laptop is, by necessity, Windows 8.1 and it does nothing but annoy us. There is nothing there that is "better" and a lot that is worse. It took us forever just to figure out how to turn the thing off and neither of us appreciated the constantly updating "advertisements" (i.e. tiles) on the start screen. Sure, I can (and did) disable those, but how is "you can remove the added stuff" an improvement over not having the stuff in the first place? The only thing I have found marginally better is Task Manager, while we have run into a lot of bugs, like important dialog windows popping up underneath the active window, making them invisible. Plus it often takes multiple tries to get the stupid Charms to show up so we can shut off the computer. (To those that say "just push the power button stupid" please note that it defaults to having the computer sleep not turn off. And yes, I know how to change that too but what sense is there to a new operating system if you have to make a bunch of changes to get it back to the way the old OS worked yet gain nothing new that is usable?)
So those of you that are Windows 10 boosters: what new features do you enjoy or which enhance your tasks or gaming?
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Windows 10 is what Windows 8.1 should have been (more like W7). Aside from that I cannot tell you, because I made too many hardware changes that make the system much faster at the same time I "updated" to W10.
I will say this though. All the little things about W7 that used to cause me headaches and long periods "correcting," are gone with Windows 10. It could be that I might have gotten the same result by just reinstalling W7, but I doubt it. There are other things that bother me about Windows 10, and I cannot shake the feeling that some technician in Washington (one or the other) is messing about on my SSD/HDD during peak usage periods, but that's probably just AT&T burping down my fiber line. Still, this system is the most stable I have had for a while now, and considering how loaded down it is that's saying something.
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All good input..thanks. I cant say the 10 upgrade is the culprit as my game play has been sporadic during this time. I upgraded about 3 weeks ago and have noticed the issues in the last two weeks. Cant remember if I have actually played AH in the win10 environment with out issue. I have updated all drivers,,,nvidia vid card also. I have a 2 year old PC that was SOA at the time.....The bios are old but were stable in win7.... this PC has excelled in the AH environment....
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 10586) (10586.th2_release.151121-2308)
BIOS: BIOS Date: 10/20/10 09:47:36 Ver: 08.00.10
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor (8 CPUs), ~3.6GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8138MB RAM
Page File: 2419MB used, 13910MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: 11.2
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
Miracast: Not Available
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
DxDiag Version: 10.00.10586.0000 64bit Unicode
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I will make a prediction that by this time next year, you will have come to the dark side... mwahaha
Coogan
Do not hold your breath. I already have two systems, at home, converted to Linux. Working with some software groups to further enhance some other applications before I convert the rest.
I cannot play Aces High, at home, as I have no room for a joystick, so I have no reason to stick with Windows. All the other applications, I use, have alternatives in Linux now. Just need some more tweaks.
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@ Excaliber: Since your Windows 10 is only three weeks old, reverting back to 7 might be worth testing. You can always reinstall 10 if that doesn't bring the functionality back.
As for an older bios, I've met some variations that wouldn't install service packs with an old bios. An entirely new OS can be even more demanding.
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Yes, I am rolling back to win7 tonight. will see if it improves the situation.
Does "rolling back" using settings take me back to a clean Win 7 or will there be little pieces of 10 lurking in their somewhere? IF so I suppose the only clean reload is a format and reload... hope the roll back is adequate, I don't want to reload the OS...please advise.
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UPDATE: Rolled back to win7 using "settings" all my problems went away. I suppose I will stay win 7 until such time as it no longer works. In the mean time my previous questions still stand for anyone who may have something to contribute.......
Does "rolling back" using settings take me back to a clean Win 7 or will there be little pieces of 10 lurking in there somewhere? IF so I suppose the only clean reload is a format and reload... hope the roll back is adequate, I don't want to reload the OS...please advise.
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Rolling back will take you to the point you were right before upgrading. So no, there aren't any pieces of 10 left. However, there's several pre-upgrade Windows updates you should uninstall. Look at Skuzzy' Hints and Tips (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528) and my post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,376791.msg5019100.html#msg5019100) regarding not getting them any more.
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Skuzzy, any chance of getting a linux port of AH? I'd never have to run windoze again then.
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Skuzzy, any chance of getting a linux port of AH? I'd never have to run windoze again then.
Not any time soon.
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I've found the same issue as the OP recently a quick ctrl alt del to see what was causing it.
windows Antimalware running in the background shortly after boot. Rolling back the OS was a little extreme.