Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 12, 2016, 04:24:39 PM
Is it war?
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: SPKmes on January 12, 2016, 04:53:19 PM
Sounds like they helped them out... boat was broken
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Zimme83 on January 12, 2016, 06:08:42 PM
Seems like a rather normal response, ship was broken, drifted into Iranian water and they picked them up.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 13, 2016, 01:51:51 AM
Iran has said the US has apologised.
Well done you colonials, talking is good.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: DaveBB on January 13, 2016, 05:02:47 AM
The Navy trains with SWIC boats far inland. On the northern edge of Fort Knox, a large section of the Salt River is blocked off from civilian use. That's where they practice all the standard stuff: infiltration, extraction, live-fire, etc etc.
SWIC boats actually played a pretty big part in the Battle of Fallujah. Ironic using boats in the desert, huh?
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 13, 2016, 01:03:52 PM
It's official it's not war :old:
Well done
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: ghi on January 13, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
video showing the moment of capture and having a meal after, (sure was not pork in menu :furious ) https://twitter.com/alTusi313/status/687306544418041856
iranian news; IRGC Navy Commander: Iranian Missiles Locked on US Aircraft Carrier http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13941023001131
In Latest Embarrassment For Obama, Iran Releases Footage Of Arrest, Apology Of 10 U.S. Sailors http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/latest-humiliation-obama-iran-just-released-photos-arrest-10-us-sailors
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: DaveBB on January 13, 2016, 05:35:04 PM
What is the SOP for this type of situation? I know when a Navy P-3 had to land at a Chinese base, the crew smashed as much of the equipment on the plane as they could and destroyed paperwork.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 13, 2016, 11:51:31 PM
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: TheBug on January 14, 2016, 06:57:07 AM
We'll get our revenge when we got them all eating McRibs, drinking Budweiser, watching Jersey Shore and telling everybody about it on Facebook. Nuking them would only be doing them a favor.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: WaffenVW on January 14, 2016, 08:18:13 AM
Revenge for what?
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 14, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
Well not really, they're just pulling out of the television market. So they're losing that least profitable demographic. That demo that still uses TV's, the obese, the dumb and the senile.
Checkout this leftist propaganda!
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
The boat broke down bit was spread by the talking heads long before the crew had been returned. It seemed to die rather suddenly before the return as well. Then the boats and crews were returned, under their own power.
Couple issues with the broken boat bit. First if the casualty was severe enough to render the boat without power then it likely wouldn't have been magically fixed by resting in an Iranian harbor overnight.
Secondly a mechanical casualty like that should have meant the sister boat would take the broken boat under tow until a larger vessel could meet up with them and either fix it or remove it while they were in international waters.
Another excuse given early was that one or both boats ran aground. That is a bit more believable IMO on the face of it as to why boat 2 did keep boat 1 in international waters. Then again I have no knowledge of water depth in said waters so can't be sure that running aground is a possibility either.
In either case I don't think we will know the real story at least until next January, if then, depending on who wins.
A result of this is certainly a publicity coup for Iran and a rather bad embarrassment for the Navy and the administration.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Zacherof on January 14, 2016, 04:50:28 PM
Well if the have any sensitive information, and comma wth crypto, they destroy them
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 15, 2016, 01:16:01 PM
Well not really, they're just pulling out of the television market. So they're losing that least profitable demographic. That demo that still uses TV's, the obese, the dumb and the senile.
Checkout this leftist propaganda!
The fact that you did not laugh at the gibberish says more about you :old:
A program made by a region that economies are based on oil annoys you?
The oil markets are controlled by the US so the program is daft :old:
I could not give a dry donkey turd what any Arab country thinks of Britain, all they have is sand and pebbles to kick on the beach.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Widewing on January 17, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Many veterans are livid that these two boats, with vastly more firepower than the Iranian Boston Whalers, were captured. Better yet, simply surrendered.
Rumors abound, but a friend who is a civilian employee at the Pentagon has said that the Navy Lt. in command of both boats ordered the surrender despite objections of the crews. Then, this knucklehead apologizes!
One question remains unanswered... Was he ordered to surrender from some higher command authority and why? If he did this in his own, he will likely face a courts-martial. If he did it under orders, where did those orders originate and who is responsible?
There is a great many unknowns here, and it reeks of subterfuge, because within 24 hours, there's a politically sensitive prisoner exchange between the US and Iran. This story will not go away as there are several members of the House and Senate, veterans all of them, who want some answers.
First, a boat breaking down is not a likely event. Moreover, the second boat would simply take the other in tow. Furthermore, charts show that the boats would drift southeast with the prevailing current, not due east. Second, any reports that the boats were taking a short-cut to Bahrain is nonsensical. The course is a straight line going nowhere near the claimed Iranian waters. It would take a colossal navigation blunder, which is extremely unlikely considering the navaids and charts on the boats. One could navigate from Kuwait to Bahrain using a water compass....
Something else was afoot here. As a Navy veteran, I find this entire incident unfathomable.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: WaffenVW on January 17, 2016, 04:31:03 PM
POTUS has made improving relations with Iran his legacy project...
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: zack1234 on January 18, 2016, 12:20:58 AM
I have deleted :old:
It's getting boring :old:
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: CptTrips on January 21, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
Many veterans are livid that these two boats, with vastly more firepower than the Iranian Boston Whalers, were captured. Better yet, simply surrendered.
A lot of strange things in this story.
Wab
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Zimme83 on January 21, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
Sounds resonable, what should they have done, Started a war?
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 21, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
First, a boat breaking down is not a likely event. Moreover, the second boat would simply take the other in tow. Furthermore, charts show that the boats would drift southeast with the prevailing current, not due east. Second, any reports that the boats were taking a short-cut to Bahrain is nonsensical. The course is a straight line going nowhere near the claimed Iranian waters. It would take a colossal navigation blunder, which is extremely unlikely considering the navaids and charts on the boats. One could navigate from Kuwait to Bahrain using a water compass....
Something else was afoot here. As a Navy veteran, I find this entire incident unfathomable.
The prevailing theory now is that the Iranians spoofed the USN boat's GPS (like they did to the drone they forced to land in Iran a couple of years ago) and causing USN crew to think they were in international waters when they were actually in Iranian waters. Our government hasn't been forthcoming because they don't want to admit that Iran can spoof our GPS signals.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: rabbidrabbit on January 21, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
If so, why did both of them mechanically break down and have no commo? The stories just don't make sense.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 21, 2016, 07:35:03 PM
If so, why did both of them mechanically break down and have no commo? The stories just don't make sense.
The DoD has never explained what the mechanical malfunction was and speculation is that both boats ran out of gas. Both boats were supposed to meet up with another vessel for refueling but that vessel never arrived.
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: ghi on January 21, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
The prevailing theory now is that the Iranians spoofed the USN boat's GPS (like they did to the drone they forced to land in Iran a couple of years ago) and causing USN crew to think they were in international waters when they were actually in Iranian waters. Our government hasn't been forthcoming because they don't want to admit that Iran can spoof our GPS signals.
I read about this yesterday, Iranians are not High-tech enough to hack into GPS ,but there's a larger chess game taking place in the region, the real players sure can.
"It should be noted that GPS jammers are available on the civilian market and have been detected in use inside the United Kingdom. This revelation may also be the reasoning behind the U.S. decision to require drone operators to register their aircraft."
"The Story You Aren't Being Told About Iran Capturing Two American Vessels" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/story-you-arent-being-told-about-iran-capturing-two-american-vessels
gps jammers for sale http://www.jammer4uk.com/car-gps-jammer-c-1.html
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: rabbidrabbit on January 21, 2016, 08:13:36 PM
Jamming GPS is one thing but how do you spoof GPS on specific vessels. Would you not have to mess up everyone in the area?
Title: Re: Iran Captures US Navy Boats
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 22, 2016, 02:30:21 AM