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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: lefty2 on January 14, 2016, 05:31:34 PM
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it a high end brand new pc
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Dxdiag?
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What video card do you have in it?
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Since you had 15 FPS, I will guess that you have at least the minimum requirement of 1 GB of dedicated video RAM.
So, don't panic! You have tons of options. First thing I would try to do is to turn the environmental map slider to none.
Next you can move top two graphic detail sliders to the left (no pun intended).
You can adjust the max texture size down from whatever it is. 4096 is the highest definition down to 256 or 512 as the lowest.
Also, the screen resolution can help gain FPS. This will have to do according to the size of your viewing monitor.
* After that you can panic, but only because you will not see the very cool cockpit effects if you turn off post processing, but as I just learned, probably most GVers will be doing that anyhow to avoid the blinding flash when in the scope.
** Even then, only seriously panic if you are unable to upgrade video cards. But back to the obvious, please post your dxdiag.txt as an attachment (helps to take some of the guess work away).
Puller,
Windows has a built in hardware id system. Go to run command and type dxdiag.exe (should do the trick- if not let us know). There will be a button at the bottom that allows you to save the results as a txt file, that you could post here but more helpful to HTC if you also post it in the sticky thread above.
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Here are some comparisons of video cards. the 740 comes in two versions, 2G GDDR5 and 2G DDR3. My old video card an HD6770 1G GDDR5 would run the game in 1024 mode between 30-60 FPS depending on what was going on. Did you try lowering the texture mode to see if your FPS increased?
Download GPU-Z and find out if your video card is the DDR3 version. Unless you have some other issue, I will bet your low FPS is due to the slow memory. GPU-Z is free.
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
Your video card:
GeForce GT 740
2G GDDR5 or DDR3
Data Paths - 128bit
Band Width DDR3 - 28.8 Gbyte\sec.
Band Width GDDR5 - 80 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 384
First the card I did 18 months of alpha testing with and then my new card.
AMD HD6770
1G GDDR5
Data Paths - 128bit
Band Width - 80 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 800
GeForce GTX 760
2G GDDR5
Data Paths - 256bit
Band Width - 192 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 1152
The minimum requirement video card to play the game in modes under 1024 textures that we have been told since last year by Hitech and Skuzzy.
Geforce GTX 9800
512Mb GDDR3
Data Paths - 256
Band Width - 70.4 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 128
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don't feel bad I downloaded the beta and with all the graphics turned down the fr I could get was a 2. I guess once they go to AH 3 I wont be able to play until I can get a way better pc. In Ah2 I have a fr of 59 constant with all the graphics on!!!! As Arnold says " I'll be back"!!!! :salute
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The NVidia 740 video card is a medium to low end video card. You will need to disable many of the graphic detail options. There is no way that card is going to run with all the graphics features enabled.
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I turned everything down in beta fr of 2 is the best I can get, Iknow I'm gonna have to get a better computer to handle it that's for sure
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so what video card do i get?
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If you want to run with all the graphic options enabled. The NVidia 970 would be the slowest card to consider. Wait until some of the other players chime in with their experience before committing to that.
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I got a GTX 760 2G for Christmas. With the default graphics at 4096, I have smooth shadows, no tree flickering, FPS mostly at 58-60 when not in the tower or hangers. And when testing FPS in the center of the NDiles cloud bank, 42-55. I turned all the sliders up to full and took a 3-5 FPS hit across the board on HTC generated terrains.
It is a PCI-X 3.0 card running in a PCI-x 2.0 slot. Memory type and amount, data paths, band width, and number of shaders matters with GPU intensive games like AH3 has now become. Without the band width to push the results of shaders and other processing, and the memory type fast enough....2G does you no good when it comes to frame rates. This is the lesson I learned by being fortunate enough to have tested this game with two different video cards. It was a night and day experience.
GeForce GTX 760
2G GDDR5
Data Paths - 256bit
Band Width - 192 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 1152
My old card that I did the last 18 months of testing with would give me 30-60 FPS in only 1024 mode with blocky shadows, flickering trees and 20-40 FPS in clouds. When we tested the massive AI bomber missions I had to turn off post processing or my FPS dropped to 7 while attacking 60 bombers.
AMD HD6770
1G GDDR5
Data Paths - 128bit
Band Width - 80 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 800
Your Card.
GeForce GT 740
2G GDDR5 or DDR3
Data Paths - 128bit
Band Width DDR3 - 28.8 Gbyte\sec.
Band Width GDDR5 - 80 Gbyte\sec.
Shader Processers - 384
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Will you (HTC) be doing any optimizations to the game? I have a GTX 980 (EVGA SC edition) and my frames drop considerably with everything turned up, which is quite disappointing considering the other games I can run maxed out @ 60 frames.
(This is not a rant, just an observation.. I really appreciate everything you're doing here :salute)
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Krup,
Is this a tower with a graphics card in a PCI-X 3.0 slot, or are you still using a laptop for gaming?
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Are you trying to run with full environmental mapping enabled? It will take cause a frame rate hit, even with a 980 card.
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Krup if your 980 is in a laptop, the band width is 160 Gbyte\sec versus 224 Gbyte\sec if it is a card in a PC system board.
The band width for my 760 card is 192 Gbyte\sec.
Just ran a test offline NDilses.
Spawned an M18 into TT. While sitting I panned the view 360.
Default Graphics - 52-60 FPS
Sliders Full - 31-33 FPS
C.205 take off A1 fly over TT 3000ft.
Default Graphics. Sitting runway and takeoff run - 35
In Flight - 39-44
Big drop always next to rock face tile. - 29
Sliders Full - 35-47
Rock Face - 22
Did the same from a single small airfield, small island, small rock faced mountain.
M18 spawned out into open area.
Default Graphics - 57-60
Sliders Full - 54-60
C.205 flight.
Default on runway - 55-60
Flight 58-60
Sliders full in flight - 55-60
Runway - 45
35-47 over the airfield and next to small mountain with rock face terrain.
NDisles TT island terrain beats the heck out of your FPS.
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No, I got a new PC. Google "EVGA GTX 980 Superclocked".
Yes, it is the environment slider that causes the frame drops, even before the max setting. Either way I didn't notice too much of a difference in graphic quality wherever the slider was.
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Went to EVGA and checked the industry GeForce specs. That is how I knew the 980M in laptops has a much lower band width. You were describing the same results I get with a 760 in the center of NDisles which I will bet was where you discovered how much TT punishes video cards on full sliders. It was possible you were describing the laptop version and not the desktop version. I thought the 980 for PC was the uber Godzilla card of the year and would do better with full sliders.
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Suggestion: You might want to do away with the environmental option after beta. Place it in a more "secure" location where it may be turned on, only by those that are sure what it means. As Krupinski and I both have noticed, there is not much difference in the graphics appeal even with this slider set to none. So why bake your GPU for nothing and complain about how low FPS are.
As we are testing, I agree there was no way to gather data otherwise. Also, most posts are not complaints, merely reports that are what is to be expected during beta tests.
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I have a 980ti SLI 6700k machine I'm interested to see the performance on next week, but now I'm at my other place and have my older system I use mostly for AH still, an x79 system with 980 SLI. I have one card off as SLI + AH has never really made much difference in performance IMO. So I'm running probably much the same deal as Krupinski, 980 Evga Super Clock at around 4.4 ghz cpu.
The default map you start off in offline, in the P51, with everything cranked, at 1440p resolution (native ROG Swift 27" lcd resolution), and reflections at max, I see 55, sometimes even into the high 40s (rare but it happens) on the deck around the base. With reflections set to 1, where I play in the Ah game now, it improves a fair bit, but I still see 50s at times on the deck, but that goes away once up higher in the air. If I select another base, one in the lower right of the map close to the water, one of grass runway fields, it seems to really increase the FPS numbers offline. I've seen well into the 100s over there, and higher.
I prefer 1080p - targets are larger, easier to see and hit in the air I find. When running at 1080p I see up to 144 fps in the air with everything maxed, even reflections. Down low near the default base, that can drop into the 50s right on the deck, but mostly down there it's in the 70s+. On the grass strip airfield, I see 100+ sitting on the runway.
One thing I wonder about is the anti aliasing and AA filtering settings. In the current AH, from the game launch screen, the video settings there you can select AA there, but the beta there isn't any tabs/buttons there for that. Should you turn on "overide program settings" in the nVidia control panel and turn on the AA/Ascopic filtering there? Anyone messed with that yet?
Anyhow, it looks good, down low seeing the trees change with that setting maxed out looks really good.
Also, regarding laptop 980 GTX chips, some of the newer ones have desktop rated 980 cards/stats in them. MSI and Asus's most recent to end 980 equipped laptops have such. Much like this one from 5 months ago or so - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJeXUKFvcHs
You just have to be careful/aware of what card you're getting if you're buying a laptop for gaming/AH3/etc. Many/most still have the older/slower notebook type 980 video card with the numbers Bustr posted.
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One thing I wonder about is the anti aliasing and AA filtering settings. In the current AH, from the game launch screen, the video settings there you can select AA there, but the beta there isn't any tabs/buttons there for that. Should you turn on "overide program settings" in the nVidia control panel and turn on the AA/Ascopic filtering there? Anyone messed with that yet?
AA is applied differently in the Beta than in AHII, the slider that is currently present in AHII has been removed in the Beta as that particular type of AA is not being used in the Beta.
In the Beta AA is now applied at the back end of graphics frame rendering (post GPU processing process called FXAA) & it is not adjustable.......at least not at this time. In Graphics Detail the checkbox labeled "Disable Post Lighting Effects" must be left unchecked (enables post lighting effects) then in the dialog box that pops up to the left you will see a checkbox that is labeled "Enable Anti Alias"-this checkbox must be checked to enable the FXAA in the Beta.
If you don't want to use this w\ the Beta then you can disable it at the checkbox in the left dialog box if you want the rest of post lighting effects enabled or at the "Disable Post Lighting Effects" checkbox if you want ALL of this disabled, then go into your vid card driver's control panel, set the driver to override the application AA settings then set AA as you desire at the vid card driver level.
Hope this helps.
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Best frame rate I could get is 4. It took me 2 minutes to get my mouse to hover over the quit button to exit the game. It looks like you'll be losing me as a customer if it isn't any better.
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Thanks Pudgie, I'll mess with that today.
What kind of performance are you seeing with your system, your CPU is similar to one of mine, and the 980 and R9 are reasonably close enough in performance that I'm quite interested to know how it is doing FPS wise for you.
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I'm running a 1 gig Nvidia GTX560 and can hold 33- to 45 frame rate until I start looking out the window or flyinh through terrain close to trees. i have all my environmental sliders to none and detail slider in middle between faster and detail. Not the best framerate but it will do for now.
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@ jb1st: A DxDiag output (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ymvl5Xu-SIo#t=67) would help telling the reason why. As for now it looks obvious that the new game will rely more on the video card and less on the processor than the current one.
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Thanks Pudgie, I'll mess with that today.
What kind of performance are you seeing with your system, your CPU is similar to one of mine, and the 980 and R9 are reasonably close enough in performance that I'm quite interested to know how it is doing FPS wise for you.
Hi Gman,
my I7 4820K runs this Beta very well holding a steady 30%-32% CPU usage w\ temps at a steady 46*C-48*C on air (using an ArticFreezer I30 HSF that I got when I originally built this box back on 5-'12 w/ the I7 3820 CPU) at stock settings using the Turbo Boosted clocks of 3.9 Ghz so I would expect that your I7 3820 will do just as well.
My Fury X also runs the Beta quite well w/ vid drivers set up in default (to use all Beta in-game graphics settings) & all Beta in-game settings maxed out w\ EM being the only setting not at max (set at 2....if I take it to max she'll fall down to the low 35-40 FPS range) holding FPS in the 70-90 range once above approx. 500' alt (requires less ground object detail rendering) but will sit in the mid 60's-low 70's FPS when on the deck\runway. When I use FreeSynch & AMD's FRTC set at 80 FPS she gets very steady & smooth at 78-79 FPS regardless of what's going on or how much I whip the controls around.......
This is me running this Fury X in "alpha tester mode" thus why the set up as mentioned........
The rest will have to be seen when HTC will reach the final product & the game goes into a full arena scenario as AHII is currently but judging from running in the large bomber missions w/ large numbers of attacking fighters it would appear that I should be pretty much OK for a while.
What I'm getting ready to do now is to start running a series of tests w/ my Fury X using the AMD Crimson 16.1 drivers to set the AA, AF & TF levels to compare to the Beta's in-game settings to satisfy my curiosity.
Could you tell me which field you were at in the Beta where you were seeing the FPS on your box running around 100+ FPS?
I'd like to see what this Fury X will hit under the same graphical rendering loads.
FYI................
Hope this helps you out.
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PS--Forgot to mention that when my Fury X is running at the speeds mentioned the GPU usage is running consistently at 90%-99% w/ GPU clocks running at 1023 Mhz-1050 Mhz, GPU temps holding at 57*C-60*C range w/ rad fan running at 60% speeds w\ GPU running on stock GPU clocks, mem clocks & power settings.
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If you want to run with all the graphic options enabled. The NVidia 970 would be the slowest card to consider. Wait until some of the other players chime in with their experience before committing to that.
So it sounds like you need at least 600 to 1000 video card to be happy with the graphics
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So it sounds like you need at least 600 to 1000 video card to be happy with the graphics
How happy do you want to be? The GTX 970 is around $350. Decent playable graphics can be obtained for much less. Skuzzy talked about everything enabled.
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How happy do you want to be? The GTX 970 is around $350. Decent playable graphics can be obtained for much less. Skuzzy talked about everything enabled.
At home I am running this.
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GTX650Ti-SuperClocked-Dual-Link-Graphics/dp/B00BZB0I3W
And it plays fine with default settings.
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How happy do you want to be? The GTX 970 is around $350. Decent playable graphics can be obtained for much less. Skuzzy talked about everything enabled.
Unfortunately very happy, If I am going to play a game I want all the bells and whistles right on the affordable edge. Yes I know I have to pay for this just don't think i want to as of now but you never know. I fly know with everything on because I like the flight realistic value of the game even knowing it gets me killed a lot. This will have to be something to look in to, I have so many other toys I would like to have right now also 8(
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Could you tell me which field you were at in the Beta where you were seeing the FPS on your box running around 100+ FPS?
Pudgie, if you go to A5 to the SE of the starting base in offline, this is what I've been using, it's a grass strip single runway base.
With the latest beta client, 1080p resolution, everything maxed with FOV at 106, I'm seeing 125 to 144 (max) once airborne in the area around the drones. If I click reflections/environment back to 1, where I play in the MA now in AH, it's pretty much solid 144/max no matter what altitude I'm at. I've been trying it with shadows off, as sometimes when in fights I find them distracting, and the FPS meter doesn't move off 144 with them off, and environment at 1 or 2, and at max, just the odd dip into the 120/130s on the deck.
At 1440p, I'm not seeing a whole lot of decrease in numbers FPS wise, while idling on the deck, all settings maxed, it's around 95 or so @A5 base, and once airborne, is averaging around 130 I would say, sometimes it'll max out at 144, usually around 120 to 130, which is great since anything over 90 to 100 is really hard to distinguish. I just prefer 1080p as the targets are easier to hit in game. Hitting F3 while in the tower at A5, you get a great few of the trees up close, they look really good.
The more I'm messing around with it, the faster/better it's looking, I'm very interested to see what furballs are going to be like around say a couple of CVs.
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Pudgie, if you go to A5 to the SE of the starting base in offline, this is what I've been using, it's a grass strip single runway base.
With the latest beta client, 1080p resolution, everything maxed with FOV at 106, I'm seeing 125 to 144 (max) once airborne in the area around the drones. If I click reflections/environment back to 1, where I play in the MA now in AH, it's pretty much solid 144/max no matter what altitude I'm at. I've been trying it with shadows off, as sometimes when in fights I find them distracting, and the FPS meter doesn't move off 144 with them off, and environment at 1 or 2, and at max, just the odd dip into the 120/130s on the deck.
At 1440p, I'm not seeing a whole lot of decrease in numbers FPS wise, while idling on the deck, all settings maxed, it's around 95 or so @A5 base, and once airborne, is averaging around 130 I would say, sometimes it'll max out at 144, usually around 120 to 130, which is great since anything over 90 to 100 is really hard to distinguish. I just prefer 1080p as the targets are easier to hit in game. Hitting F3 while in the tower at A5, you get a great few of the trees up close, they look really good.
The more I'm messing around with it, the faster/better it's looking, I'm very interested to see what furballs are going to be like around say a couple of CVs.
Thanks, Gman!
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Maybe this has been answered, but will the 970 + cards work well enough in a pci 2.0 slot?
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The slot version doesn't matter much enough to mention.
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I'm running an eight year old E8400 4GB ddr2 system I upgraded to win7 64bit, and put a used $20 nvidia gtx 480 1.5GB ddr5 in. I'm running 1920x1080 resolution, 2048 texture, enviroment map 0, gamma 1.1. I have shadows, ground clutter, clutter in flight, reflections, and post lighting, disabled. Objective detail, and ground detail are both centered, while tree detail is a quarter of the way up from low detail.
For me the game looks very nice, and I have so far been able to maintain very playable frame rates (40-60). In fact if this kind of performance continues through the beta I just plan on spending around $150 on an upgraded video card until I can afford to build a new system.
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Sik
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I have a similar aged system to Sik with a slower processor, but better GFX card.
With minimal opponents and action, FPS appears better than the current version. Only dipping from 60 whilst over town/base or low level passes.
I think the main issue here is that the new version relies much more on having a proper Graphics card, 2gb or more memory, where up until now the focus has been more on the CPU. Now that HTC has given everyone access to Beta give it a go and tinker with the settings. No point throwing your toys out of the pram at a first glance. Progress and change for the better is a good thing and should be welcomed for when AH2 is dropped we shall go forward together into a brave new world of higher detail and enhanced awesomeness.