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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: Crash Orange on January 16, 2016, 03:03:42 AM
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Are we any closer to having even a rough idea as to what the system requirements will be? I'm getting frame rates in the low teens with everything on the lowest settings, so I know I'm going to need to upgrade my video card, but I don't want to waste money doing that if the rest of my system isn't enough to run the game.
Current system:
System Information
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Time of this report: 1/16/2016, 00:38:34
Machine name: BRUCE-HP
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.150715-0600)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
System Model: p7-1270t
BIOS: Ver: CAR_716.ROM vCAR7.16
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 6144MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 6126MB RAM
Page File: 2294MB used, 9956MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 520
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GT 520
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1040&SUBSYS_90AA1B0A&REV_A1
Display Memory: 3800 MB
Dedicated Memory: 993 MB
Shared Memory: 2807 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: HP w2338h Wide LCD Monitor
Monitor Model: HP w2338h
Monitor Id: HWP281C
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.7588 (English)
Driver Version: 8.17.12.7588
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/5/2011 16:33:00, 15225960 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-5300-11CF-1E65-A6B01FC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1040
SubSys ID: 0x90AA1B0A
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Driver Strong Name: oem32.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6 .1:Section006:8.17.12.7588:pci\ven_10de&dev_1040&subsys_90aa1b0a
Rank Of Driver: 00E60001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C
[redacted]
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0662&SUBSYS_103C2AC2&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6531 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 12/20/2011 09:16:00, 4720616 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: HP w2338h-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10DE&DEV_001C&SUBSYS_1B0A90AA&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: nvhda64v.sys
Driver Version: 1.03.0018.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 2/18/2013 08:22:16, 189288 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: NVIDIA Corporation
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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Judging by my system, yours is good to run with a video card upgrade or might even have some luck until then..... have you tried?
My system is older, and so are the video cards (not SLI either; have been told there is no difference). Although, my video cards are probably rated a bit higher.
My biggest finding so far has been that folks like to start with everything cranked up first and then try and dial it down. The most frequent offender is the environmental map. If you know that you have around 1 GB or less of dedicated video RAM, please turn everything off, or down. Then add items back, starting with the check boxes 1 at a time. I wouldn't move sliders from the weakest setting at all until you have found a workable solution with tick boxes. For example, I don't have clutter on, or clutter in flight, and unless I was buzzing a hangar my eyes wouldn't know the difference.
Loki, I sure am looking forward to seeing you around. As it seems like you are right about at that corner where upgrade becomes necessary, but hey! it's beta now! time to get your feet wet!! :salute
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. . . (not SLI either; have been told there is no difference).
That would be incorrect!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,376532.0.html
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 is the main problem. It's meant for multimedia, not serious gaming. As Chilli said, a video card upgrade is what you'd need. Maybe a stronger power supply is needed for the new video card, that doesn't show in the dxdiag output. Something between 500 and 750 W is usually enough.
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Which version of DirectX is required? Which is optimal?
Thanks.
kong
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direct x is not the question but the video card itself. would be nice to get an nvidia with a ...60 or above.
semp
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So the AH3 doesn't use DirectX?
I know nothing about DirectX, but notice that some games are supposed to benefit from DirectX 12,
and video board spec's include a DirectX version (mostly 12).
The reason I am asking is that my system is Win7 Prof, which I understand to be limited to DirectX 11. I really don't want to
"upgrade" to Win 10 to get DirectX 12. Hence, the question....
kong
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It does.
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So, will AH3 benefit from DirectX 12 (over DirectX 11)?
kong
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So, will AH3 benefit from DirectX 12 (over DirectX 11)?
kong
I don't believe so. AH utilizes the Directx version that HTC used to program the game. (my best guess) :headscratch:
Coogan
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I believe for best compatibility the directx version used is either 9 or 10.
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Still DX9.
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do we need to download Dx9 separately or will having installed windows 10 (which appears to have dx10 and is backwards compatible) be enough?
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Windows arghhhhhhhh I've just got 8.1 running as good as it can for a mobile application system rather than an operating system.
A reminder from Microsoft keeps popping up telling me my windows 10 version is ready for download and upgrade. It ain't happen'n in my lifetime.
Beta is running fine with 8.1 which I find surprising. I do wish they'd have enhanced XP rather then design new systems for applications.
Anyone running Beta on XP? If so how is it performing?
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do we need to download Dx9 separately or will having installed windows 10 (which appears to have dx10 and is backwards compatible) be enough?
DirectX is backwards compatible, so version 9 or any above that will be fine.
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A reminder from Microsoft keeps popping up telling me my windows 10 version is ready for download and upgrade. It ain't happen'n in my lifetime.
Skuzzy discusses fixes for this issue in his Hints and Tips thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.0.html).
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Skuzzy discusses fixes for this issue in his Hints and Tips thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.0.html).
Thanx Greebo.
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Skuzzy discusses fixes for this issue in his Hints and Tips thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.0.html).
Specifically: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528
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Anyone running Beta on XP? If so how is it performing?
I run it on XP and it works fine. My system has been super sensitive to bugs (causing CTDs) that other peoples systems seem to shrug off, but HiTech has found and fixed those bugs. In terms of frame rates it is quite playable. I get 60 in flight most of the time, about 30's to 40's on the ground except in particularly dense forests where I get as low as 20 or, in the worst case, the flak base in CraterMA which has many complex objects (flak guns) as well as a lot of dense trees, where I go as low as 10. However, I have all options turned up to max, except Environment at none and Post Lighting off. In addition I insist on running 4X adaptive Multi Sampled Anti-Aliasing which anti-aliases not only polygon edges, but some transparent textures as well and which causes a significant frame rate loss.
3GHz E8400 with 4GB RAM, Radeon HD7870 with 2GB graphics RAM, XP SP3.
Of course I don't use XP to surf the web as it no longer gets security updates. I dual boot to Ubuntu for that.
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FYI Beta: I have a Dell XPS 8500 mid size case with a Gigabyte mother board, 3.40 GHz i7 quad core processor, 12 GB RAM and I had an Nvidia GTX 650 card running Windows 7. I had to turn down most of the settings to have a frame rate of 20-45 in Beta. I just installed an Nvidia GTX 970 card and now I have every texture and graphics settings maxed and my frame rate is pegged at 60 FPS (which is all my monitor will support) no matter what I do in the arena. It was well worth the upgrade. See you in the unfriendly skies!
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Why not windows 10? Personally I'm sticking with 7 as long as possible but if I were stuck with 8.1 I'd jump on the free upgrade in a heartbeat. It's worlds better than 8.1 IMO.
Windows arghhhhhhhh I've just got 8.1 running as good as it can for a mobile application system rather than an operating system.
A reminder from Microsoft keeps popping up telling me my windows 10 version is ready for download and upgrade. It ain't happen'n in my lifetime.
Beta is running fine with 8.1 which I find surprising. I do wish they'd have enhanced XP rather then design new systems for applications.
Anyone running Beta on XP? If so how is it performing?
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Two things with win 10 that I have been listening two. 1) The "free" upgrade may have some hidden costs when it comes to later on support, and 2) Drivers issues may no have fixes yet for all applications or programs, effectively breaking some software.
Do I know that either of the two are still valid, NO. Do I feel it is worth the risk from 8.1 pro 64bit, NO. If it were a tablet or touch screen, then maybe the win 10 would have some perks that I am currently not aware of.
Anyone care to add something one way or the other?
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Challenge,
Thank you for pushing this! My motherboard has 2 PCIe slots of differing bandwidth x16 and x8. It is an ordeal to get SLI to even work with it, but doable. In fact, I just enabled SLI again and tried your handy suggestion to use the display tool. It works great and shows a marked improvement in framerate in AH2. Now, with Beta, :headscratch: I actually get decreased framerates with SLI enabled. I suspect, that the x8 PCIe bandwidth is the culprit. The question that remains, is should that handicap cost greater than 50% in framerates, and hopefully there is more in play or even ideas on tweak for HiTech when dealing with slower motherboard / systems. :pray
Until then, if you have more ideas that I can try with my system, please let me hear them. I am currently reading about rolling back to 332 drivers, but I have very little confidence in finding huge changes there.
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My system is older, and so are the video cards (not SLI either; have been told there is no difference). {snip}
That would be incorrect!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,376532.0.html
From another outside forum discussion about decrease in FPS after SLI 2 GPUs.
Question: You do have two PCIe 16x slots for your graphics cards, correct? There are slower PCIe configurations, and the speed will default to the lowest common speed. AKA PCIe 16x will slow down to match a slower PCIe 8x slot for your 2nd card. That, or it could be a driver problem.
Answer: Yeah, I'm running a GA-Z87X-UD3H.
I'm aware one is a PCIE x16 and the other is a x8 but it doesn't explain why my fps decreases so much in games and increases in benchmarks.
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With my old machine cooked, getting an upgrade:
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK 2/USB 3.1 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132561
CPU
Intel Core i7-4790K Devil's Canyon Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1150 BX80646I74790K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369&cm_re=Intel_core_i7-4790K_4.0_ghz-_-19-117-369-_-Product
RAM
CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model CMD32GX3M4A1866C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233393
VC
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X OC EDITION
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125685&cm_re=Gigabyte_GeForce_GTX_970_4GB-_-14-125-685-_-Product
SSD
SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 1TB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E1T0B/AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147374
These are the parts I have in mind. How will this machine hold up? How close can I "absolute max" the graphics? I'm only getting one VC at the moment but may opted for a 2nd one later. The reason I ask here is because I'm taking AH3 into account with this build and I figured I'd post into this thread rather than creating a new one. I'm fairly certain that if she'll run AH3 well, I will have no problems with other games. :aok
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If you are running 1920x1080 resolution, the the 970 is a great choice. Best bang for the buck, for sure.
The computer hardware is ample for AH3, as long as you do not load up 400 processes running in background.
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Awesome! :x I'm matching my friends machine with 2 exceptions: He's using the Mark S MB and he has a 2nd VC. Since it's intel (my previous 2 builds were AMD), I was a little on fence. Who better to ask if parts for a build will work great with a game than the game devs? :D As for processes; The most that would be active (aside from a game) is whatever is default by Windows (I'll be sticking with Win 7 64bit Pro), YT on Firefox, winamp, whatever control panel that will be included with the VC, Skype, logitech software for mouse/headset, or TS. :aok
Then I'll go ahead with the order once the return hits. It'll be good to actually use AA again in AH, and every other program. lol Thank you. :aok
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If you are running 1920x1080 resolution, the the 970 is a great choice. Best bang for the buck, for sure.
The computer hardware is ample for AH3, as long as you do not load up 400 processes running in background.
Would you recommend a 960 for those who couldn't afford a 970? $180 for 2gb one and $230 for 4gb, SSC, ACX2.0+ card.
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The GTX 960 is a very good card, even the 2 GB version. You won't be able to max everything, but you'd get very good frame rates using settings above default and a 1920 x 1080 monitor @ 60 Hz.
The 970 is the lowest nominee for everything maxxed.
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The 960 is a good card. You might need to tweak the game settings a little, but it would be up to you as everyone has their own idea of what they like and do not like as it pertains to performance and visual trade-offs.
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A bit dated, but wanted to ask a few things and the build I listed here is what I use:
1) Can I put the Beta on my SSD, or is it best I used one of my HDD's?
Reason I ask is because search found me this:
You really do not want to run the Beta on an SSD anyway. With the frequency of updates it will just make a mess of an SSD.
2) Will the Beta "default" my graphics settings based off of my VC?
I'm going to push it, and MAX everything, just to see what I get, but I'd like to mess around with it's "default" settings a little at first.
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To prolong the life of your ssd, use a hdd for AH/Beta. You can install it where ever you want to, but there's known issues in certain locations.
I believe the Beta will "default" your graphics settings. I've been using the same settings since early Alpha so my memory may fail... IIRC you also can reset the video settings by deleting the "video8.cfg" file in the settings folder of the Beta (works for AH2, too, if needed)
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Awesome. Thank you for the information. I'll get it installed onto one of my HDD's then. :aok
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Windows arghhhhhhhh I've just got 8.1 running as good as it can for a mobile application system rather than an operating system.
A reminder from Microsoft keeps popping up telling me my windows 10 version is ready for download and upgrade. It ain't happen'n in my lifetime.
Beta is running fine with 8.1 which I find surprising. I do wish they'd have enhanced XP rather then design new systems for applications.
Anyone running Beta on XP? If so how is it performing?
Get rid of windows 8 ASAP. It's garbage. This laptop I bought from a buddy had windows 8 on it. I wiped it, did the free upgrade to 10, and it's miles ahead of that stupid squares and phone-screen looking garbage. It's basically a throwback to windows XP/Vista/7. Start menu, desktop icons, It's all there man.
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So I just got another 970 installed. Do I still need to turn off SLI to run AH3 properly?
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Guess I just answered my own question. Decided to run Beta 9 & 11 with SLI on, doesn't even recognize that I have a 2nd VC. :(
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It is not supposed to recognize a second video card. That is the point of SLI. It is supposed to look like one video card. However, the SLI profile for Aces High, as it ships from NVidia is woefully inadequate for AH3. Probably will do more to hurt performance than help it.
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OR try to setup your own profile. I outlined this already, but for the beta you might just wait until Nvidia can be motivated to release an official profile.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,376532.msg5015675.html#msg5015675
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Guess I need to get used to SLI's ways. With Crossfire, when I had it turned on it would read as me having 4G of VRAM, 2G when it was off. Yes, weird since I was using 5770's which are 1G cards (I didn't have an integrated VC on my previous board either). Was kind of expecting it to do the same in AH2 and Beta with SLI, which is why I pointed it out.
I'll cut SLI anytime I run AH. The 2nd 970 is not intended to be a permanent setup, as I plan on getting a 1080 later on. Friend had a spare 970 after he went with the 1080. :D