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Title: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 18, 2016, 06:19:58 PM
Here it is guys.  Go easy on me.  I'm not Devil505 or Greebo or...or....or...  :)   This is by far the best one I have managed to pull together.  The blue looks better in game than in the viewer.  :headscratch:    I am still working on that--I will correct it.  (I think it is all these hours staring at the screen...screwing up my ability to distinguish different shades of blue!)

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This aircraft, P-51B-15-NA "Mustang" 42-106945 coded E9-V, was flown by Lt. Col. Roswell Freedman and assigned to the 376th Fighter Squadron of the 361st Fighter Group ("Yellowjackets"). At some point during its service as E9-V it bore the nickname “Smokey” but no photos of that scheme are known to exist.

This Mustang is notable for its "non-standard" bordered Invasion Stripes, a feature of the 376th.

The 361st FG entered combat with P-47 "Thunderbolts" in January 1944 then converted to Mustangs that same May.  The 361st served primarily as a B-17/B-24 escort organization, covering the penetration, attack, and withdrawal of bomber formations that the USAAF sent against targets on the Continent. The group also engaged in counter-air patrols, fighter sweeps, and strafing and dive-bombing missions. Attacked such targets as airfields, marshaling yards, missile sites, industrial areas, ordnance depots, oil refineries, trains, and highways.

The group supported the airborne attack on the Netherlands in September 1944 and deployed to Chievres Airdrome, (ALG A-84), Belgium between February and April 1945 flying tactical ground support missions during the airborne assault across the Rhine.

The unit returned to RAF Little Walden and flew its last combat mission on 20 April 1945.



Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Devil 505 on January 18, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
Very nice so far. Have you tried adding any weathering to the metal and silver painted portions. It still seems a bit flat, but otherwise good.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 18, 2016, 07:20:30 PM
Very nice so far. Have you tried adding any weathering to the metal and silver painted portions. It still seems a bit flat, but otherwise good.


Thank you, sir.


Weathering: I can try.  Any suggestions?   You thinking black stain type stuff?
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Devil 505 on January 18, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Black, white, and brown. Think of specific areas where wear is likely to happen. Oil, dirt, and fingerprints would be brown and streaks from rain/dust would be black and white. I'll make a little tutorial for you later this week.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 18, 2016, 07:43:25 PM
Black, white, and brown. Think of specific areas where wear is likely to happen. Oil, dirt, and fingerprints would be brown and streaks from rain/dust would be black and white. I'll make a little tutorial for you later this week.

Thanks, bud.   :aok
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Greebo on January 19, 2016, 04:57:50 AM
It is looking good Vraciu.

I agree with Devil it could use dirtying up a bit. One specific thing I notice in the colour shots in the research thread you posted is the exhaust staining. In the photos the aircraft have a pale brown stain running the length of the fuselage, curving up a little over the wing and then down towards the tail.

The USAAF insignia are a little blurry, like they have been resized. Also the blue looks a bit too bright to my eyes.

Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 19, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
Good catch on the stain.  I will work on that. 

I have worked on the insignia coloring.  It looks better now. 

I am at loss on the insignia looking blurry.   Maybe I need to redraw them.   :headscratch:
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 19, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
The insignia gets fuzzy when I run it comes up on the viewer.   I am not sure how to fix this.

It looks fine from normal distance.  Only up close can you tell.    Suggestions?

Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Greebo on January 19, 2016, 04:05:36 PM
The blue looks a lot better.

To make the star less blurry you could trace over the edges of the existing star with a line tool set a couple of pixels wide and anti-aliased. Or just use the shape tool to create a new star. Either way I would create the revisions on a new layer and then merge it with the existing layer when you are happy with it. A lot easier to edit it that way.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Devil 505 on January 19, 2016, 04:09:53 PM
The blue looks a lot better.

To make the star less blurry you could trace over the edges of the existing star with a line tool set a couple of pixels wide and anti-aliased. Or just use the shape tool to create a new star. Either way I would create the revisions on a new layer and then merge it with the existing layer when you are happy with it. A lot easier to edit it that way.

To echo what greebo said and add that to me your star needs the edges sharpened. Download and have a look at the default skins for the P-47D-25 that Greebo did. That should give you an idea of how much blurring to aim for.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 19, 2016, 04:13:20 PM
The blue looks a lot better.

To make the star less blurry you could trace over the edges of the existing star with a line tool set a couple of pixels wide and anti-aliased. Or just use the shape tool to create a new star. Either way I would create the revisions on a new layer and then merge it with the existing layer when you are happy with it. A lot easier to edit it that way.


Bingo!!!!

How's this?  I think it looks 1000 times better.  (Spec mapping is turned off in the picture.)


That anti-alias line tool was the ticket.  I redrew the circle as a separate layer and merged it.   Worked like a charm. 

Thank you, sir.    :salute

Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 19, 2016, 04:13:58 PM
To echo what greebo said and add that to me your star needs the edges sharpened. Download and have a look at the default skins for the P-47D-25 that Greebo did. That should give you an idea of how much blurring to aim for.

Take a look and let me know if I got it this time.  I will check out the D-25.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Devil 505 on January 19, 2016, 04:21:18 PM
Much better.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Greebo on January 19, 2016, 04:43:19 PM
Yes, that is a lot better than before.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 19, 2016, 05:09:43 PM
Much better.


Yes, that is a lot better than before.

 :salute

 :salute

Thanks for the help guys.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 23, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
One specific thing I notice in the colour shots in the research thread you posted is the exhaust staining. In the photos the aircraft have a pale brown stain running the length of the fuselage, curving up a little over the wing and then down towards the tail.

Is this from the exhaust or from dirt?   I have been playing around with some staining but the photo almost makes the stain look white--like sand or something.

Also, should the specularity be flatter or the same as the background the staining is on?
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Devil 505 on January 23, 2016, 08:57:55 PM
The tuning of the engine will have an effect on the color of the smoke emitted from the exhaust, and thus the staining on the aircraft.  Alison engines in particular usually have light colored stains. Merlin engines are more variable. The underlying surface also plays a part on the visible staining. In your case I would not only study the reference pic of this aircraft, but also other Merlin P-51s and determine the colors and patterns for exhaust staining.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Greebo on January 24, 2016, 02:05:07 AM
I did some research on this when I was skinning the Lancaster. Apparently light coloured stains are a result of running the engine rich for extended periods of time. The stains are deposits of lead used as an anti-knock additive in the fuel. I suspect light exhaust stains like this may have been fairly common on Allied aircraft, but wouldn't always show up well on B&W photos.
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on January 24, 2016, 02:09:05 AM
I did some research on this when I was skinning the Lancaster. Apparently light coloured stains are a result of running the engine rich for extended periods of time. The stains are deposits of lead used as an anti-knock additive in the fuel. I suspect light exhaust stains like this may have been fairly common on Allied aircraft, but wouldn't always show up well on B&W photos.


Well, in this case am I seeing exhaust or dust?

Also, does the stain start narrow and fan out?

I can't seem to quite get it right.   The blur looks good but the color is off. 
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: pipz on February 08, 2016, 05:08:10 PM
Well done Vraciu!!!!   :aok  :aok

Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on February 09, 2016, 11:57:24 AM
Well done Vraciu!!!!   :aok  :aok


Thanks, bud.   :salute
Title: Re: P-51B Mustang E9-V 361FG, 376th FS
Post by: Vraciu on September 12, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
Updated the cowling so it aligns with the exhaust properly.

I have one other B and two Ds to convert.   Thanks for pointing out the error, guys.   :salute