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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on February 08, 2016, 06:13:55 AM
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whats the scoop Oddball-CAF??
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Monday Night Madness is once again on! It'll be held in the "AVA" (Axis vs Allies" arena from
8PM Eastern U.S. to 10 PM Eastern U.S.
Please set the terrain up as follows:
Two fields less than 25 miles apart.
Simple terrain tiles. (Last week's terrain was awful for on the deck fights)
Radars indestructable
GVs and manned ack disabled
All midwar planes availlable to BOTH sides.
Please make it so, and I'll see you and the boys in there tonight!
Regards, Odd
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Hey I thought someone had lifted the texture tiles from Doom for the tunnel walls to get that vertigo inducing ground spotting effect. I had a roommate who could only play about 15 minutes of Doom before the wall tiles in the tunnels made him puooke...... :O
On the other hand, those custom AvA terrains are gonna look simply marvelous converted to AH3. :aok
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different map this week, fight over water, close bases. will have same planeset for both sides!!
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different map this week, fight over water, close bases. will have same planeset for both sides!!
An excellent map, excellent plane set and superb fights. Good bunch of people coming to these events, thanks to all who organize and cheerlead them.
- oldman
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Some GREAT fights tonight, guys. My hat's off to all who attended!
I want to reiterate a couple of points here:
THERE IS NO VULCHING . PERIOD. END OF STORY.
KEEP THE FIGHT(S) AT LEAST FOUR MILES FROM ENEMY FIELDS.
Lastly, I am not the "boss of the whole arena". I am merely the guy
trying to generate some enthusiasm for Monday Night Midwar Madness.
I'm just a regular flying slob like everyone else.
If you see vulching going on, please just type it up on the "All" channel and
we'll attempt to address it on our end.
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Hey Odd,
The issues began when a couple players took bombers over and started hitting one of the furball bases while other players approached the base from different directions. Between Knights dealing with the bombers and spread all over, this halved the Knights involved in the main furball in the middle, creating a nearly continuous 2:1 number inbalance in the main fight. This resulted in the furball getting pushed back to the field and the "vulching" complaints started on Knight side channel. There were more complaints on vox tonight than I have heard before, which is why I PM'd you about the issues and started asking the Rooks to back off the base. Unfortunately, that didn't happen tonight from what I saw.
I apologize if you felt I put undo pressure on you to rein in the Rooks a little when this happened, as I know you are just trying to fly and have fun just like everyone else. I PM'd you simply hoping you'd say something on Rook side vox. As you know, it's hard for players to monitor text while flying and fighting, so I was hoping a reminder on Rook vox about getting too close to one side's base would help "reset the fight" as we have in the past.
Moving forward, in order to keep this a friendly and fair event, I would suggest we get everyone on a 200-range vox channel so we can all talk in real time if issues come up. Plus I'd rather say "Nice shot, Odd" than salute you on 200 knowing you can't reply while fighting in a furball. When I've participated in canyon fights in the DA we have always been on a 2xx vox channel so sides can talk, keep it fun and balanced.
Monday nights have been a fun weekly event with the vast majority of the players keeping to the rules and keeping it fun. I hope we can continue down that road.
<S>
Kingpin
p.s. Tell PommyB I want to finish that rolling scissors he and I kept getting into when we were flying Wildcats!! We kept getting interrupted after a great series of turns -- fun stuff! <S> PommyB
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Darn I slept right through it and missed it. Next week!
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for the record, we can modify the planeset a little if me or trap or shipper are in there. if bombers are a problem, we can make then go away or limit their bomb loads to propaganda leaflets.
hoing and vulching that's up to the players, we COULD do something about it, but we're not going to.
next week we'll make common vox 223, which is what I usually use.
for the record, we have AVA staff night in the AVA tonight with the setup we had in there. you and anyone else is welcome to join us. just beware planesets and settings are different.
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The bombers were probably a finger in the air gesture to not liking old school fair odds furballs. I don't want to think it was the usual MA strategy of craping on a field to destabilize a furball by taking out the radar, fuel and ords. A bit of face on trigger happiness ensued at points as the only answer to not having an ACM answer. I think that condition which has two players side by side not seeing things exactly the same leads to one player seeing a front quarter shot and the recipient micro seconds later seeing only a HO. I gave up a lot of shots I would have taken in the MA which others took.
I think the average time frame this community can stand acting like gentlemen is almost 90 minutes on a good day. Then the crap takes over for a few which is the dinner bell for the rest to join in.
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damn i thought it would be fun i upped the 26's with no bombs and used them as gun ships just for fun.i didn't think was such a big deal.i guess the fun factor is very short with kids nowadays
lazydog
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You could maybe dial up the ground ack legality to 100.0 from the usual 1.0. :devil
:rofl
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If you want a Monday night furball in a nice exotic location, just turn off bombers and this will probably work out going forward. Peer pressure works for about 90 minutes in the AvA to keep HO's and breeching of the hard ceiling in check. That is if everyone looks at any comments about no HOing as a friendly reminder and everyone helps everyone to remember. In it's own way last night reminded me of the vintage CT when it had loyal squads and some pretty hot action.
One b26 trolling for fighters would have been understood as trolling for fighters. A box, announcing loudly on ch1 your intentions and not coming in at precision bombing alt from other directions would have kept the MA thinking in check. Versus drawing off half the force leaving the rest to be abused by numbers.
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well the b26 isn't any worse then the A20. actually they had done that a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
no one noticed but I turned the ceiling to 8k with a 127 MPH updraft hehehehe.
ill be there next week barring any snow, we'll keep an eye on things.
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Another fun night. Maybe I delude myself as being competent, but it seems that the guys flying during the Madness are uniformly talented at shooting me down. :salute
THERE IS NO VULCHING . PERIOD. END OF STORY.
KEEP THE FIGHT(S) AT LEAST FOUR MILES FROM ENEMY FIELDS.
Let's define vulching: shooting a plane on initial takeoff from the runway below 1,000 feet.
I tried to stay over the water as a reference, but there were a few times that I found myself chasing a low red guy towards his field. I can see getting involved in a chase and finding myself over the field. This is not a vulch. :bolt:
Lastly, I am not the "boss of the whole arena".
OddCAF is the boss.
"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." William Shakespeare. :banana:
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I think that condition which has two players side by side not seeing things exactly the same leads to one player seeing a front quarter shot and the recipient micro seconds later seeing only a HO. I gave up a lot of shots I would have taken in the MA which others took.
This. We're not all seeing exactly the same thing. Griping about it on ch200 is stupid.
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sry, dbl post
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Hi guys,
Dang, lots of input in this thread. I like the level of interest and enthusiasm. :D
I'll try to address a few of 'em in a single post:
To Kingpin,
I appreciate your bring the problem(s) up. To be honest, I was quite distracted what with furballing,
trying to clear sixes, clearing my own six, and getting new joiners "on channel" and laying out the rules
via text and vox. So, I had more than a little happening on my end.
The first PM I understood and tried to convey that problem over text and vox on the "Rook" side.
But then another came , and then a "I'm gonna leave if this continues". And to be honest, I just felt
like I was havin' too much thrown on my shoulders at that point. I logged out shortly after. I was
just too stressed and felt I couldn't enjoy myself in there any longer.
The first few week we did the Monday Night Madness thing, we actually started things off with
a couple of sets of Ju-88s with escorts to give the Knights "a taste of blood" to get things rolling.
However, that was announced on the "All" channel prior to launch, along with our altitude and
the direction we were coming in from. The target was the town, which we announced as well.
That turned out to be fun; the "enemy" fighters got some kills on the buffs and then could still
tangle with the "escort" fighters.
To Kingpin and Buster,
I'm in concurrance with Buster that any "bomber runs" should be announced on the "All"
channel. I personally don't see any reason to disallow 'em from use as long as they're
not targetting radar or fighter hangers. I will say that I think B26s are a bit too lethal and
not in keeping with the "fair play" aspect of the evening. Ju88s, He111s, G4Ms and similar
should be fine.
I don't at all like the idea to tune a common cross-country vox channel, there's simply
going to be way too much traffic happening. Granted it works fine in the DA with limited
numbers of folks, but we had 26 in the AVA at one point last night.
To Easyscore,
I'm all for dialing up the field ack all the way up. The fights should -never- be closer than
3 or 4 miles from a field anyway. That gives lifters a chance to get up to some alt
so they can start dancing. They shouldn't have to worry about gettin' "picked"
after just lifting and sittin' at 2 to 3 K.
All in all, I thought both sides did a superlative job keeping the main fights over the water,
away from the fields. There were a couple of points where I had to ask my fellow Rooks to pull
away from the field and bring the fight "out", but those "close to the enemy field" encounters
were only brief windows and didn't/don't reflect the overall character of the evening's furballing.
We also had some new (though veteran AH pilots) join us this week, which was wonderful.
Should they continue to show, they'll develop a "feel" for what we've got going here.
There's no hard and set "rules" for us to adhere to beyond the 10K alt limit, no vulching,
"keep the fight away from the field", no killing radar and of course, no dropping hangers.
I think we can all just use the "All" text channel to try and "guide" the evening's fights
into what the original intent was; to have fun and furball with MidWar planes.
Best regards, Odd
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Let's define vulching: shooting a plane on initial takeoff from the runway below 1,000 feet.
Hehehehee. You "barracks lawyer" !
For our purposes, I think we can say...
"No fighter may be engaged at any distance less than 4 miles from the field he just lifted from,
regardless of its altitude".
The intention here is to allow guys to get to a "decent" alt, which for our purposes is basically 5K
and above. (the max limit of course, being 10)
This allows him basically the full range of options, both offensively and defensively for beginning a sortie.
Best, Odd
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oddball-caf, you do realize we can set radar so that if its knocked out you'll still see dots, right?
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Lots of fun fights! I had a blast in the ol' 47.
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well the b26 isn't any worse then the A20. actually they had done that a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I upped an A-20 in attack mode and tryed to dogfight in it, thougt i had me a ki-61, but that ol' AW/AH veteran knew how to keep taking the fight up vertically and reversed the outcome, LOL
was a blast of a short time i got to spend in there............. hope to do it again next week
<S>
TC
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oddball-caf, you do realize we can set radar so that if its knocked out you'll still see dots, right?
I believe the dar was set that way; even after it was bombed, we could still see all enemy dots. That's how I knew the numbers disparity was so bad in the furball. The issue wasn't losing the dar, it was fast B26s and B17s hitting the base and pulling away multiple players (more than half at one point were chasing bombers). This caused the fight to become extremely lopsided and ultimately a BnZ fest right off the runway.
I like that everyone is making an effort to work this out, because this has been a fun event with positive feedback from a lot of participants.
<S> all
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needs to go back to midwar madness
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needs to go back to midwar madness
The mw arena doesn't work well for this. With 12 on 12 as soon as there's 1 on the third country, ENY goes bonkers for one, and secondly there's a small cadre of regulars who might as well be indigenous people who've never seen a microwave. The thought of people actually fighting live targets blows their minds and chaos ensues.
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There are advantages to running this in the AvA; as Vudak mentioned there's no eny which can really cause problems with the plane set. Also we have no time limit on switching which can really be helpful to keep the sides balanced. Add to that the ability to adjust ack, radar, etc. makes for a pretty good set up. We staffers make a concerted effort to listen to the players input and act on it in a timely manner. We're excited to host the MNM and want to make it a first rate experience for the players.
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and we even turned on icons!! :banana:
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I for one am absolutely thrilled about the shift to the "Axis vs Allied" arena and the
most generous and accomodating way we as a group have been treated over there.
I personally see no need to go back to the actual "Mid-War Arena" as everything
we need or want is being seen to by the AvA staff. Hell, they can even make changes
"on the fly" as we've seen occur already.
The big change we saw this past Monday was the transition from 6K icon range to
3K. I think this added more fun and anticipation to the fights.
By all means harden the radar and hangers so they basically become indestructible
and leave the map contacts "always on" so that it's very simple and easy to find "the fight".
I've continued to ponder the "bomber situation" and in all sincerity, I really don't see
them as being a problem save for the fact that perhaps we should only allow the
slow, lumbering ones with poor gun packages. Their actual effect is negated with
the tinkering of hardness factors. As well, disabling flight from any field except the two
we designate as "operational" will ensure the buffs basically have to fly directly
"into the kill zone" or will be easily spotted if they deviate from a direct course
to the enemy airfield.
If pilots choose to attack 'em rather than helping their fellow countrymen in the fighting area,
perhaps a bit of peer pressure might be in order. ie: "Hey guys, leave the bombers alone
and help us with this furball !"
Nobody's "flying for score" with Monday Night MidWar Madness. It's all about just havin'
fun, and getting into some exciting and nasty fights. I think knee-jerk reactions with
regards to every perceived "problem" will serve only to fracture what we are as a group
trying to achieve here.
Let's all "play nice", have some fun, and we, with the full cooperation we've seen to date
of the AvA staff, will guide it towards what the main vision of it is/was; "fun stuff with MidWar rides".
And hey, TC, that WAS a fun fight, amigo. You had me dead to rights, oiling me on that
first pass. It was only by the grace of the gods I survived that one! <S>
Best regards, and good hunting to all.
Let's have some dang fun!
Odd
(http://www.the-47-ronin.org/ronin-missions/12FEB16/confused.jpg)
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Can ww1 planes be added to the mix? I don't know if I'd want them in there for good, but it would be funny to fight ww2 birds while in a ww1 kite.
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The AvA is an excellent test bed to baseline how to help two sides have fun furballing for 90 minutes.
What seems to keep it fun:
1. - Same plane set on each side.
2. - Alt limit which could even be 12k for the P47 guys who need a leg up at times.
3. - Dots seen on the map at all times.
4. - Reasonable degree of social pressure keeping HOing to a minimum.
5. - No combat on the bases with a buffer zone away from the runway end that is respected.
If players really need bombers in a furball, disable drones and limit the bomb load out.
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Hehehehee. You "barracks lawyer" !
Your honor, may I approach the bench?
"No fighter may be engaged at any distance less than 4 miles from the field he just lifted from,
regardless of its altitude".
5. - No combat on the bases with a buffer zone away from the runway end that is respected.
How to handle those who run to the base ack for defense?
Seriously, I can see a bunch of high BnZ guys run to the deck and to the field "safe zone" only to climb out again and repeat.
There needs to be an option to chase.
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Seriously, I can see a bunch of high BnZ guys run to the deck and to the field "safe zone" only to climb out again and repeat.
There needs to be an option to chase.
Base ack has been set so soft you can land and not get killed from my experience. 10k has a ceiling cover of high winds. The buffer is to allow players to get off the ground and the collateral effect is if someone needs to run, fine they can run. This being a none MA weekly event, it has rules. The totality has respected the buffer so far out of respect for the rules.
This is explicitly attempting to "Not be the MA" so players can furball. If you want to act like it is the MA, go to the MA. No one is holding a gun to your head so you cannot log out of the AvA on Monday night. I think the CM who babysits us on Mondays has instaeject if you need to make it the MA. Or do you need to grief people because it looks like they have a working arrangement to have mutual fun once a week?
From what I can tell to date, people respect the simple rules of the event. And the community communicating when an infraction occurs not by mistake seems to work.
It is an attempt at 90 minutes of acting like gentlemen while furballing your brains out. Maybe the MA knee capping style is more suited to your vengeful nature.
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for next week heres what We'll do.....
1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them.
2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above, to insure safety, if this is whats requested. or we can leave it, you guys tell us what you want.
3. last week I set ceiling at 8k with a 127mph updraft, if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. 12 is fine too. whatever you want.
4. Bombers--in or out, you tell us, we can also limit bombloads and/or even eliminate them. the other thing we can do, is set bombers at just the fields being used, and no others. it just makes it harder to set up the arena, but very do-able.
5. common vox. when I run tank night on Thursday nights, we use vox 223 to talk cross country, and range to talk to our teammates. I suggest we try it, but its you guys decision as to what you want to do.
next week, we'll use the twinrvrs map, you tell us which bases to setup and we'll do it. also we can setup 2 particular bases, but if we want to use a different base, it cant be setup as quickly, if bomber are only at the 2 designated fields. just something to think about.
odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is.
to all Monday night madness participants and others feel free to suggest anything else you want or any changes.
thanks
captain1ma aka jeager1
AVA staff
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jager,
thanks..... :O
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I think 12k and furball shouldn't be in the same sentence :)
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I think 12k and furball shouldn't be in the same sentence
i agree with this i think it should stay at 8k
lazy
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I'm not legislating anything because I'm not running this.
Having said that, I vote the following referencing Jaeger's post:
1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them. I vote yes
2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above - I vote crank it as high as it'll go
3. last week I set ceiling at 8k (snip) if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. I vote 10K
4. Bombers--in or out - I vote "in" with NO formations, no B17s, no B26s, lift only at the two "furball" fields.
(Flight disabled at all other fields on the map.)
5. common vox - I vote no.
"odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is."
Again, I'm not legislating anything, but I would prefer to see:
(a) 10K max alt.
(b) No vulching
(c) No fights within 3-4 miles of the two designated airfields
(d) No "faceshots" (this one's not enforceable obviously)
The wind and ack adjustments take care of the first two. The third and fourth can be
addressed to some extent via vox/text and some "peer pressure".
I'm unable to view the map you've suggested, Jaeger. The one we used last
week was perfectly fine and you know the two fields we used.
To RufLeak: It's pretty easy to discern if a plane is damaged and RTB or simply "running"
from a fight. I see no purpose in following it back to its base if the woman flying it is doing
the latter and doesn't want to fight. There's not been a lack of good fights happening,
so breaking off and flying another two minutes puts you right back into the thick of
things.
I saw only two brief windows where running and then "hiding in the ack" occured,
so I don't think it's a problem with any sort of consistency to it.
Let's just have some fun with "Madness" and get away from trying to micro-manage
it with a whole bunch of "but, what if -this- happens, or what if -that- happens?".
We're all adults here and we know and understand the basic intent of Monday Night
MidWar Madness. If it don't "feel right", don't do it.
Regards, Odd
(http://www.the-47-ronin.org/website-graphics/emperor-standing-pose.jpg)
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(a) 10K max alt. yes
(b) No vulching yes
(c) No fights within 3-4 miles of the two designated airfields - yes
(d) No "faceshots" (this one's not enforceable obviously) - yes
just up fight die re up and have fun that's why it's called madness
lazy
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ok so:
1. We're good on radar
2. ceiling 10k with a 127mph updraft
3. base ack >1
4. bombers only at fight bases, no formations no 17's no 26.
5. vox 151 I think it was?
and all the rest of the stuff!
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If you want to act like it is the MA, go to the MA. No one is holding a gun to your head so you cannot log out of the AvA on Monday night. I think the CM who babysits us on Mondays has instaeject if you need to make it the MA. Or do you need to grief people because it looks like they have a working arrangement to have mutual fun once a week?
Lighten up, Francis.
It has been a few years since I attempted to win the forum, but ... Try reading my posts for content. I'll use smaller words and shorter sentences.
(Sorry for falling off the sarcasm wagon. I just read some misplaced attitude into bustr's post.)
"odd, please give me a set of rules to use in the MOTD, this way everyone will know what the deal is."
Again, I'm not legislating anything ...
Face it, OddCAF.
Your stature and reputation among this group is essential to making this happen. Otherwise, idiots like bustr and myself would be like 5 year olds in the back of the station wagon.
OddCAf: "Don't make me pull this arena over."
1. indestructible radar. as for hangers, we'll harden them. I vote yes
2. base ack--We'll crank it up to MA or above - I vote crank it as high as it'll go
3. last week I set ceiling at 8k (snip) if you guys want 10k as a permanent ceiling, let us know. I vote 10K
4. Bombers--in or out - I vote "in" with NO formations, no B17s, no B26s, lift only at the two "furball" fields.
(Flight disabled at all other fields on the map.)
5. common vox - I vote no.
My two cents:
1, 2, 3, and 5. - Concur with Odd.
4. Bombers - no ordinance or formations. At least one guys was upping bombers to dogfight.
I'll add another:
6. No vehicles enabled.
To RufLeak: It's pretty easy to discern if a plane is damaged and RTB or simply "running"
from a fight. I see no purpose in following it back to its base if the woman flying it is doing
the latter and doesn't want to fight. There's not been a lack of good fights happening,
so breaking off and flying another two minutes puts you right back into the thick of
things.
I saw only two brief windows where running and then "hiding in the ack" occured,
so I don't think it's a problem with any sort of consistency to it.
Let's just have some fun with "Madness" and get away from trying to micro-manage
it with a whole bunch of "but, what if -this- happens, or what if -that- happens?".
We're all adults here and we know and understand the basic intent of Monday Night
MidWar Madness. If it don't "feel right", don't do it.
It seems that I need to add some emojis so I am not coming across as so serious. :cheers: :x :aok :old:
Ok, I am not endorsing griefing anyone. But, there is always going to be a griefer or two. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Coastlines make good landmarks. Is it possible to find a map with easily spotted landmarks for reference? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
(look at the bananas)
I still think the safe zone will result in a lot of "smart flyers" who run. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
(more bananas)
It has been and will be a lot of fun. I am in no way trolling or whining. It is just another opinion.
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no vehicles was a given. they weren't in the last one.
while a bit direct, have to agree with bustr, this isn't a normal Ma setup.
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while a bit direct, have to agree with bustr, this isn't a normal Ma setup.
Never said it was the MA.
No need to roll out the unwelcome mat. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
(bananas)
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One question about the 120+ updraft at 10k; I've broken through the 10k limit during a fight that started lower. Can the alt limit be more of an agreement and not hardwired into the arena environment. It's like a giant hand is waiting at 10k to swat you. Some guys fly planes that will never turn with the Brews, Spits and Zekes so vertical space is important.
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"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
W.B. Yeats
"The Second Coming", 1919
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12k might be a better compromise for the vertical fight.
I realized in a spit8 I was breaking the 10k trying to pivot over a Brewster while evading a sudden hot popup 109. Not sure if a gentlemen's agreement to enter fights at 10k with the understanding 12k is there as a no harm no foul would work for some who will take everything they can get before engaging. The ACM needs of different fighters will over ride remembering any celling in the heat of the fray. And rides like the P47 need a little vertical to entice some pilots to take the risk.
Just don't tell YUCCA. He will taxi his 47 under the furball then kill everyone..... :O
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Keep the 127mph updraft!! I really want to fly a Storch into that. :O
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The motd should simply remind people that there is no score, no perks, no achievements, and therefore no risk in this arena and people are therefore encouraged to fly outside of their comfort zone and try stuff out. The only reason to go to 10k is if others do. We could easily make it 6k and still have fun in every plane. There's absolutely no reason, whatsoever, to worry about landing here, folks ;)
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I think I've only landed once in MNM, a P-47 with two kills!
The early P-47 with 25% fuel and the 6 gun setup flies pretty nice. The turning ability surprised me.
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Monday Night Madness is once again on! It'll be held in the "AVA" (Axis vs Allies" arena from
8PM Eastern U.S. to 10 PM Eastern U.S.
Please set the terrain up as follows:
Two fields less than 25 miles apart.
Simple terrain tiles. (Last week's terrain was awful for on the deck fights)
Radars indestructable
GVs and manned ack disabled
All midwar planes availlable to BOTH sides.
Please make it so, and I'll see you and the boys in there tonight!
Regards, Odd
This reminds me the melees in Air Warrior.