Sounds like a blast!
The real question is, where and when do you figure on setting this? North, Central, or South sectors will pretty much force your hands in unit selection.
Whatever the theater, I like the 'total war' approach - ala 'Axis and Allies' where resources are spent for equipment/research, etc.
How about a battle with La-5, Yak-7b, P-39 (because of the book "Attack of the Airacobras: Soviet Aces, American P-39s, and the Air War Against Germany", by Dmitriy Loza), Tu-2, Il-2 vs. 109G, 190A-5, Ju 88, maybe some Stukas or FW 190F's?
Thoughts?
[James T. Kirk voice] I ... don't ... see ... theI-16Moscafighter. [/James T. Kirk voice] :devil
I would like that, but I don't think enough people would sign up for them.
Kind of hard to do a Kursk event without using GVs, but you could perhaps have a Free for All GV battle just for fun, no scoring or anything.
THIS is one of the BEST event ideas EVAR! So, you got shot down? Roll `em! :D
I did a Kursk FSO a few years back where we enabled GVs at T+60 for one frame and played capture the town. The team that held it at the end of the frame "won" the GV battle.
Maybe a later Bulge event could kinda work the same way. :D
Battles from late fall '42 through spring '44 that fit the map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad (Fall/winter '42)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Winter_Storm (Fall/winter '42)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Kharkov (Winter/spring '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk (Summer '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dnieper (Fall '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1943) (final stages of Dnieper campaign - final stages in Dec. '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Korsun%E2%80%93Cherkassy_Pocket (Feb. '44)
Battles from late fall '42 through spring '44 that fit the map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad (Fall/winter '42)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Winter_Storm (Fall/winter '42)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Kharkov (Winter/spring '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk (Summer '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dnieper (Fall '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1943) (final stages of Dnieper campaign - final stages in Dec. '43)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Korsun%E2%80%93Cherkassy_Pocket (Feb. '44)
- Kiev Strategic Offensive Operation (October) (1–24 October 1943) by the Central and Voronezh Fronts
- Chernobyl-Radomysl Offensive Operation (1–4 October 1943)
- Chernobyl-Gornostaipol Defensive Operation (3–8 October 1943)
- Lyutezh Offensive Operation (11–24 October 1943)
- Bukrin Offensive Operation (12–15 October 1943)
- Bukrin Offensive Operation (21–24 October 1943)
- Kiev Strategic Offensive Operation (November) (3–13 November 1943)
- Rauss' November 1943 counterattack
- Kiev Strategic Defensive Operation (1943) (13 November 1943–22 December 1943)
That's a pretty big battle. I was somewhat joking about making this as big as all 7 camps. Maybe just part of this one even. :huh
Choices ... choices. Decisions .... decisions? All of them! 7 frame event! :bolt:
you could perhaps have a Free for All GV battle just for fun, no scoring or anything.
THIS is one of the BEST event ideas EVAR! So, you got shot down? Roll `em! :D
What will happen if the new version goes live before this event is set to run?
Here's the Luftwaffe fighter unit breakdown with aircraft and location as of November/December '43
Jg 51
I. Gruppe - 190A - Kirowograd in November. moved to Bobruisk, Belarus in December and changed to 109Gs.
III Gruppe - 109G - Orscha, Belarus (technically off the map, but base in 4,19 is close)
IV Gruppe - 109G - Orscha
Jg 52
I Gruppe - 109G - Kirowograd
II Gruppe - 109G - Uman
III Gruppe - 109G - Apostolowo
Jg 54
I Gruppe - 190A - Orscha in December, Vitebsk,Belarus before that (even farther north than Orscha)
II Gruppe - 190A - Zhitomir
Here's the Luftwaffe fighter unit breakdown with aircraft and location as of November/December '43You can sign me up for one of the the Gruppes in JG52!
Jg 51
I. Gruppe - 190A - Kirowograd in November. moved to Bobruisk, Belarus in December and changed to 109Gs.
III Gruppe - 109G - Orscha, Belarus (technically off the map, but base in 4,19 is close)
IV Gruppe - 109G - Orscha
Jg 52
I Gruppe - 109G - Kirowograd
II Gruppe - 109G - Uman
III Gruppe - 109G - Apostolowo
Jg 54
I Gruppe - 190A - Orscha in December, Vitebsk,Belarus before that (even farther north than Orscha)
II Gruppe - 190A - Zhitomir
Hello. And greetings from Finland. Been reading this thread with interest and have been wondering if I should activate my account again just to take part. I was just having a conversation with other finns and we were pretty nostalgic about all the scenarios flown thus far. I am sorry to invade this development thread but wanted to give heads up. Finns have been pretty inactive as of late, but it seems something is brewing...
Btw. when was this scenario scheduled to take place?
Sorry again, carry on :aok
...it seems something is brewing...
Btw. when was this scenario scheduled to take place?
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:bolt:
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Getting back on topic:
Can anyone out there let me know which from the following list still need winter skins?
Here is what will be in "Battle of the Dnieper, Winter '43":
-- Bf 109G-6 Need - I'll take this one.
-- FW 190A-5 Got 3 already - I' have a 4th that is nearly done.
-- FW 190F-8 Need.
-- Ju 88 Have one.
-- La-5 I believe the VVS stopped whitewashing aircraft by this point, or at least stopped painting over the blue and gray scheme.
-- Yak-7b Have one.
-- Yak-9 (maybe) See LA-5
-- P-39Q Have one
-- Il-2 Have one
-- Tu-2S (perhaps sort of as Pe-2) Going to say Need on this one.
-- Panzer IV H Have one
-- T-34 Have One
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Sweet!
Would you be willing to do the following by April 20th?
-- Finish the 109G-6 winter skin.
-- Take one of the FW 190A-5 winter skins and do whatever is the absolute least amount of work to make it usable on a FW 190F-8.
The reason for wanting it so soon is that I assume a lengthy process to get skins added to the terrain (one way of getting skins available in a scenario) or to get skins added to the MA (the other way that they can be made available in a scenario).
Here is what will be in "Battle of the Dnieper, Winter '43":
-- Bf 109G-6
-- FW 190A-5
-- FW 190F-8
-- Ju 88
-- La-5
-- Yak-7b
-- Yak-9 (maybe)
-- P-39Q
-- Il-2
-- Tu-2S (perhaps sort of as Pe-2)
-- Panzer IV H
-- T-34
Keep your Whiskies, Brandies and Cognacs.
So, is that a "no" to the offer above of Woodford? :cheers:
Not at all Brooke. Camo just likes to drink the very cheap stuff. One idea even came up that we arrange a meeting for the duration of one frame (or is this marathon scenario) where we could all share the goods!!!
Anyways, at the moment we have 8 pilots somewhat certain they can make it to some of the frames. I inform you more when we get closer to the start lines.
Brooke, June opened up. Meeting tonight cancelled a summer event to focus on my May golf tournament and Oktoberfest.
I may be back in the air sooner than I expected.
And, if so, might volunteer to CO the Allied side, unless you already have takers in the pipe. I may just be in the mood to spend my time diving into the event from that side, it's been a while.
count me in Devils group!!!! :salute :salute :salute
I can give you confirmation on this by next week, if that's acceptable!
Hi Brooks, Do you need a good JU88 group leader, count me in
DHawk
Let me put some feelers out, see if I can assemble a command team, let you know next week.
:noid
Here is what will be in "Battle of the Dnieper, Winter '43":
-- Bf 109G-6 Need - I'll take this one.
-- FW 190A-5 Got 3 already - I' have a 4th that is nearly done.
-- FW 190F-8 Need.
-- Ju 88 Have one.
-- La-5 I believe the VVS stopped whitewashing aircraft by this point, or at least stopped painting over the blue and gray scheme.
-- Yak-7b Have one.
-- Yak-9 (maybe) See LA-5
-- P-39Q Have one
-- Il-2 Have one
-- Tu-2S (perhaps sort of as Pe-2) Going to say Need on this one.
-- Panzer IV H Have one
-- T-34 Have One
Devil and everyone:
It looks like we'll be using blksea terrain and not blkseaw (assuming AH3 comes out before June).
That means the ground won't be white, so we probably wouldn't use the winter skins.
Terrains need to be converted to AH3, which is a lot of work with only Ghostdancer heroically working on it himself currently. By June, converted blksea and blkseaw will be available, but because of needing new custom tiles for winter, blkseaw won't have trees at first.
I think Camo and Company should shock the world and defect to the Russians........ :cheers:
I think Camo and Company should shock the world and defect to the Russians........ :cheers:
Make it a little more open on the planning side and that way ROC has no idea what is coming at him at any given hour of the 3 hour framePfft of course I'll know, I'll have my command bunker set up outside your house tapped into your wifi :noid
Also, I can commit to being Axis CO at this time
It is interesting to discuss all of this, though. I like discussions.Discussions are good, but I build things, and hate meetings. I have a horrible reputation in my industry, I sit on several boards, and am well known for "I am not going to go to a meeting to talk about things we need to talk about that we talked about the last time we talked".
If I saw 190A-5's I'm in.
Yes, add a hand full of tank slots so we can at least know who may be interested in a dedicated tank role.
Those are your rewards when you fly Russian....
You should really fly AXIS, Our rewards program is way better...
:P
YUP oh so SEXY
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Oh please the Propaganda
Oh please the Propaganda wars have officially startedIf da forums are open could I be added to da axis side so I can get to know my fellow Experten :aok
Salute to the Allied Drama Queens :devil
what squad is Dantoo leading/flying in? I loved flying for him in Southern Conquest :salute
It's the accent, isn't it? :lol
It's the accent, isn't it? :lol
Very happy to have the Pigs with us.:rofl :aok
We'll keep you wrapped up tight and comfy
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Because the Evil Empire is going to want to go in a completely different direction with that
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Your comrades will keep the evil Subway sammich maker from getting you.
Brooke you are missing points I have made in another thread. :old:
So now we are side switching to skew the numbers even more so. You guys :huh
Dolby knock it off, you are getting tiring. First you say that All Players know the event is lopsided, and you are not correct and don't speak for all players. Then you post in a forum specifically trying to figure out why the Axis isn't showing up and in here you berate a player who tried to explain it to you, that left, not for a thing I did, but for what your team did.
Now you are complaining because a player you drove away and still wants to enjoy the event may fly over on the other side.
You know what, this is getting sad so let me explain it to YOU.
You are not paying attention to what is important.
Your team is going to get your last frame score changed DOWN, why? Your guys hit City Targets, not Town at 44. Even Tunes! You guys had a Non Uniform player kill me. I didn't care, it didn't matter, but you can't even get your own crap sorted out and you are bellyaching about drivel so now I'm going to bring it up and point it out and in Fairness, fix YOUR screw ups.
Shut up and fix your own problems that need to be solved.
Just play and put a lid on it. I didn't care, it didn't matter, it wasn't worth it, but you just won't get off it.
This scenario first put a lid on the altitude to get fights to stay low in VVS territory.Oh this is pure gold :rofl
If I was ahead, what a thing to suggest, I am ahead<---- Hmm, seems like you may be a little fixated on winning.
But in your shoes with the results, I'd be avoiding posting anything not posted directly at me.You'd avoid posting in "my" shoes? My results? You mean the fact that as I'm trying to pay attention to the entire arena I am getting shot down? My results. Look around, My results is "OUR" team is doing just fine, glad "YOU" are doing well.
As for your follow on post, "deaf ears" as expected. It's always been a pointless exercise, and that's probably another one to put as a reason for low attendance.So now that fact that I don't agree with you, deaf ears and all, is another reason for low attendance? What on earth are you thinking? I didn't design this event, what the hell does it matter to you if I think you are missing the point? Your guys aren't showing up because the mean old ROC doesn't agree with Dolby? You give me far too much credit :rofl
ROC your last paragraph I read it as that you are essentially just trolling now.I thought it would take you another full day to get here :D But Im not trolling now, been pretty much trolling you for a while now. :cheers:
When was the last time the designers here did that?That would be about the last time we got a CO to step up long before the last minute.
Every event designer wants to fly his design. The moment he does, rightfully or not, he discredits his concept and invites criticism.It's wrong to hold Brooke or anyone else accountable because Fencer was biased in his designs. He's not here. Brooke is about a biased as a sock.
Brooke is about a biased as a sock.
My idea of a perfect scenario results in a draw.
When was the last time the designers here did that? This is an observation, not a criticism of any one individual unless you want to spread it around among the past and present Scenario team members.
I disagree however with the statement that COs only step up at the last minute.
A good design or interesting segment of the war will draw your COs. That won't happen with a replay of an old and tired rehashed event imho. Jazz is nice but I (I don't dare say "we" in here.) like a constant flow of NEW music.
The IL2 is better than I have read claimed here, I can't believe how played down Russia's most famous and formidable foe Sturmovik is being marginalised to fit the notion its monumentally worse than a 190F8 and that fixes everything. The job they are to do is object killing, and if I wanted the path of least resistance I'd choose an IL2 over the 190F8 for the job, especially in squadron strength.
I disagree however with the statement that COs only step up at the last minute.Well, as one who has been on the side trying to recruit CO's early for years, you are disagreeing with reality, I am not talking about subjective guessing, COs have NOT come to the table early for years. This has nothing to do with why they haven't, it's simply a fact that they haven't.
Well, as one who has been on the side trying to recruit CO's early for years, you are disagreeing with reality, I am not talking about subjective guessing, COs have NOT come to the table early for years. This has nothing to do with why they haven't, it's simply a fact that they haven't.
Individual squad CO's or the CO of the side?Side CO's, Group Leaders are plentiful, and we generally have far more capable leaders than we have slots for, it's an amazing thing, getting a side CO is not an easy task.
Side CO's, Group Leaders are plentiful, and we generally have far more capable leaders than we have slots for, it's an amazing thing, getting a side CO is not an easy task.
We've got so many great group leaders that when one can't make it, we have several on stand by to fill in.
That would be about the last time we got a CO to step up long before the last minute.
It's wrong to hold Brooke or anyone else accountable because Fencer was biased in his designs. He's not here. Brooke is about a biased as a sock.
I volunteer to C.O the Luftwaffe side of the upcoming 12hr BOB scenario....
There....does that help expedite the process...I will also help with setup so there is no problems of unfair advantage over the Allies
Well it will actually be unfair for the Allies because I would be your opposing C.O.
I'll put together 109 squadrons of the likes not seen before in a scenario... 109 squads that a squadron of 10 Bruvs couldn't handle...
The Epic 12hr BOB....An Aces High Scenario
:salute
I volunteer to C.O the Luftwaffe side of the upcoming 12hr BOB scenario....You just took my job! :old:
You just took my job! :old:
:cheers:
You just took my job! :old:
:cheers:
There are two sides.
But the 109E is purdy!
Brooke, in case you did not know, that "Emil" is a G-6 conversion. It looks good to the untrained eye, but if you know your 109's it really is a poor representation of a true Emil.