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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: caldera on March 01, 2016, 12:02:46 PM
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ENY for the Yak-3 is at 18, but should be more like 10.
Very similar number of kills and results to the F4U-1A, which stands at 12 ENY:
Tour 193:
F4U-1A: 3441 kills / 2169 deaths (1.59 K/D) #6 for most kills in tour
Yak-3: 3221 kills / 1977 deaths (1.63 K/D) #7 for most kills in tour
There are some fighters like the K-4, 38-J and 152 that have a few dedicated pilots that skew their K/D quite a bit, but the Yak-3 is much more user-friendly to the average Joe.
These are the only fighters in the game that I have a negative kill ratio (all-time stats) against:
1. Tempest: 40 kills / 79 deaths (- 39)
2. Yak-3: 55 kills / 74 deaths (-19)
3. Me-163: 6 kills / 22 deaths (-16)
4. Me-262: 29 kills / 43 deaths (-14)
5. F4U-4: 99 kills / 113 deaths (-14)
All of the above are perked, except the Yak. Not asking for it to be perked, but it has a very modest ENY value for it's performance in LW.
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The WIKI says the -1A's eny is 15, but at any rate, you don't think 1 20mm with 120 rounds, and 2 weak 12.7's with 600 rounds compared to 4 .50's with 1600 rounds isn't reason enough for the difference?
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I concur.
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I've only flown it once or twice but it was enough to see that it's better than an 18.0 ENY.
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There are several planes that should have their ENy adjusted, 190D should be ENY 5, it is as good as the pony and LA. YAK-3 should be a 10 due to the guns. Spit XIV should be a 15 (or the same as the 109K-4.)
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There are several planes that should have their ENy adjusted, 190D should be ENY 5, it is as good as the pony and LA. YAK-3 should be a 10 due to the guns. Spit XIV should be a 15 (or the same as the 109K-4.)
Dora can't carry the ord the P51 can and match up quite evenly as fighters.....and M2s are easy mode guns compared to the doras...if you drop the doras eny to 5 you need to perk the Pony.
Yak 3 is a FOR SURE needs lower ENY....you see more yaks then N1ks these days and close to spits and LAs.
Like Krup, only flew it a few times....immediately thought the ENY needs to be lowered (Same as the Brew :devil )
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Yak3 doesn't carry a bomb, lacks ammo, and has short legs... And some nut put the prop on backwards. But the aircraft flys like it's under some kind of voodoo spell allowing it to defy gravity and air resistance, with superb visibility and a small frame making it seem like it has an adamantium skeleton.. :old: Perk the little Devil!
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yak3 is almost like a spitfire with a merlin engine.
semp
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yak-3 drivers are pests so I +1 the motion.
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Dora can't carry the ord the P51 can and match up quite evenly as fighters.....and M2s are easy mode guns compared to the doras...if you drop the doras eny to 5 you need to perk the Pony.
Yak 3 is a FOR SURE needs lower ENY....you see more yaks then N1ks these days and close to spits and LAs.
Like Krup, only flew it a few times....immediately thought the ENY needs to be lowered (Same as the Brew :devil )
The dora has on the other hand 2x 20 mm cannons w a lot of ammo. It has twice as much ammo as a spit XVI and all guns close to the center line.
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The dora has on the other hand 2x 20 mm cannons w a lot of ammo. It has twice as much ammo as a spit XVI and all guns close to the center line.
Doesn't mean anything when both the P51 and Spit have better over the nose view and can aim better.
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The WIKI says the -1A's eny is 15, but at any rate, you don't think 1 20mm with 120 rounds, and 2 weak 12.7's with 600 rounds compared to 4 .50's with 1600 rounds isn't reason enough for the difference?
The AH Wiki is outdated.
Consider a few advantages the 1A has over the Yak:
The 1A is far better at BnZ gunnery and is the ride of choice for some big time pickers. The Yak cannot afford to spew out rounds and needs to saddle up, if only briefly, to make a kill. This puts the Yak in a more dangerous position for every kill, because the chance of getting picked is higher.
The 1A is far better at killing bombers, which typically yields a better K/D than achieved versus other fighters.
The 1A also carries a 1,000 lb bomb, resulting in some EZ-mode GV kills, which is another way to boost the model's K/D.
And yet, they yield the same results. One is 12 ENY and the other is 18. Over the years, planes have had their values adjusted and this is a case where it makes sense for the Yak's to be lowered.
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Unless the damage modeling is adjusted for the Yak3, it has a higher survivability quotient than many rides in similar furballs. The ENY may be governed by the small ammo load. Otherwise it is in the same down and dirty furballing class as a spit16. The other Yaks seem to absorb damage to a higher degree, the Yak3 seems to be set to the highest degree of the Yak stable.
Here is a thought on Russian hybrid plywood aluminum fighters. Of about 9000 La5 in combat, around 2500 were lost. In 1942 the largest number were lost, 1460. The Yak3 reached front lines in the year only about 800 La5 were lost in combat.
As for the small size of the target (damage area) argument, the La5 and the Yak3 are very close in size with similar speeds.
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The AH Wiki is outdated.
Consider a few advantages the 1A has over the Yak:
The 1A is far better at BnZ gunnery and is the ride of choice for some big time pickers. The Yak cannot afford to spew out rounds and needs to saddle up, if only briefly, to make a kill. This puts the Yak in a more dangerous position for every kill, because the chance of getting picked is higher.
The 1A is far better at killing bombers, which typically yields a better K/D than achieved versus other fighters.
The 1A also carries a 1,000 lb bomb, resulting in some EZ-mode GV kills, which is another way to boost the model's K/D.
And yet, they yield the same results. One is 12 ENY and the other is 18. Over the years, planes have had their values adjusted and this is a case where it makes sense for the Yak's to be lowered.
Okay, lets say you are right. What exactly does lowering it really do? A few more tenth's of a point when you kill it and a few tenth's less when it kills something? Occasionally not being able to up it when ENY gets out of hand?
What is the grand payoff?
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Okay, lets say you are right. What exactly does lowering it really do? A few more tenth's of a point when you kill it and a few tenth's less when it kills something? Occasionally not being able to up it when ENY gets out of hand?
What is the grand payoff?
No grand payoff, only putting planes where they belong within the ENY system.
It would often be quite a bit more than "a few tenths of a point" for me, as I don't fly EZ mode planes like the Yak-3. :D
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No grand payoff, only putting planes where they belong within the ENY system.
It would often be quite a bit more than "a few tenths of a point" for me, as I don't fly EZ mode planes like the Yak-3. :D
You a K-4 guy?
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You a K-4 guy?
He is the definition of a hangar queen jockey
Okay, lets say you are right. What exactly does lowering it really do? A few more tenth's of a point when you kill it and a few tenth's less when it kills something? Occasionally not being able to up it when ENY gets out of hand?
What is the grand payoff?
That's it....when they kill an N1K they should get one point...not over 2 which is how it is now with a flat eny. It may not deter any yak3 pilots to fly it but it won't give them the perks to it....I was always for a more strict perk system. :aok
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You a K-4 guy?
In terms of number of kills scored in the 71 fighters in AH, The 109K-4 ranks 60th, The F4U-1A ranks 64th and the Yak-3 comes in at 55th on my list. :)
He is the definition of a hangar queen jockey
Guilty as charged. In fact, this month's featured target drone will be the P-40C! :banana:
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In fact, this month's featured target drone will be the P-40C! :banana:
At least you know you're dying while looking good in one of my skins. :devil
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At least you know you're dying while looking good in one of my skins. :devil
You can count on that. :cheers:
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Both the "interesting" damage model, and the ability to climb continously at rediculous angle infinitely at 100mph without the torque swinging it around, it is a definite perk condender.
It's one of the few planes I have to go back and reload after shooting one down.
I have to do the same after killing 6 lancasters.
I think the 190F8 has more armour weight than that little devil weights in total, mind you, it takes a fraction of the bullets to kill a 190F8 compared to the Yak3, and it had only back seat armour.
It also have unlimited WEP.
God save us if we ever get the Yak3P (with same guns as the 3-gun LA-7, and faster than the LA-7)
@ devil505 - hint hint FW190a8 white 20 ??? ;)
Unless the damage modeling is adjusted for the Yak3, it has a higher survivability quotient than many rides in similar furballs. The ENY may be governed by the small ammo load. Otherwise it is in the same down and dirty furballing class as a spit16. The other Yaks seem to absorb damage to a higher degree, the Yak3 seems to be set to the highest degree of the Yak stable.
Here is a thought on Russian hybrid plywood aluminum fighters. Of about 9000 La5 in combat, around 2500 were lost. In 1942 the largest number were lost, 1460. The Yak3 reached front lines in the year only about 800 La5 were lost in combat.
As for the small size of the target (damage area) argument, the La5 and the Yak3 are very close in size with similar speeds.
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Yak3 can take more damage than the other 3 planes combined (Spit14,P51d,Fw190D), and climb at stupid angle as long as it wish (or hit the moon), limitless WEP until out of fuel.
190D can't pull G at all without losing lot's of E, has good acceleration to get it back though, can't dive away as it's siebling A-series. Can run like few others at the deck.
Bf109k would be with FW190D at ENY 10, because the can both outrun/outclimb and survive. they both still need experts to get good K/D in them.
La-7 is very easy to fly and survive in, 3-gun model should be perked, 2-gun ENY 5.
If /when we get the 190D11-D13 they would be Eny 5 (D11 2*30mm + 2*20mm, D12 propeller 30mm + 2*20mm, D13 2*20mm + 1*20mm propeller.
The FW190A9 would be at ENY 15, same plane as the A8, better nose armor (less oil leak), 10-15mph mph faster, better climb.
There are several planes that should have their ENy adjusted, 190D should be ENY 5, it is as good as the pony and LA. YAK-3 should be a 10 due to the guns. Spit XIV should be a 15 (or the same as the 109K-4.)
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YAK-3 strength can be questioned since it was, like most other Russian fighters, partly covered with plywood...
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Still not sure if it's more hits or more ammo that's required to take a yak down. It's a little bitty plane that's hard to hit after all...
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We had a similar discussion awhile back while discussing tanks. The M4 is a perk tank but doesn't have the hitting power of the panzer. The reason given for the perk is the optics not its ability to get kills with an average tank driver. The Sherman firefly is another perk tank rarely used.
The point of this is the ENY is based on its overall potential as compared to other planes not just its ability to just get kills best I can figure.
Note too, get a yak in the 10000 feet an up range and a P-38 as an example can handle and better a yak with all things being equal.
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We had a similar discussion awhile back while discussing tanks. The M4 is a perk tank but doesn't have the hitting power of the panzer. The reason given for the perk is the optics not its ability to get kills with an average tank driver. The Sherman firefly is another perk tank rarely used.
The point of this is the ENY is based on its overall potential as compared to other planes not just its ability to just get kills best I can figure.
Note too, get a yak in the 10000 feet an up range and a P-38 as an example can handle and better a yak with all things being equal.
When the firefly came out it was hard to kill and there was an uproar. I think they changed something somewhere along the way. It isn't what it was when it first came out.
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the M4 was a very easy prey to all Antitank guns mid-1944.
Firefly was hard hitting but was best used in ambushes.
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@ devil505 - hint hint FW190a8 white 20 ??? ;)
Which White 20?
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was'nt it Lyric who had good pictures on the fw190a8 in the skin forum ?
found it !
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EpZ8E9pDaXw/UeafeVf8PYI/AAAAAAAAk0I/yMX4Ug-Xk6E/s1600/miniTC_38_profile_07.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,363268.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,363268.0.html)
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was'nt it Lyric who had good pictures on the fw190a8 in the skin forum ?
found it !
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EpZ8E9pDaXw/UeafeVf8PYI/AAAAAAAAk0I/yMX4Ug-Xk6E/s1600/miniTC_38_profile_07.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,363268.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,363268.0.html)
Oh that's sexy :aok
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https://flic.kr/p/EEvW7j (https://flic.kr/p/EEvW7j)
other pics white 20
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/review.php?rid=1162 (http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/review.php?rid=1162)
both sides - same white 20
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Perfect. :aok
Skins are going to be slow going for a while for me. I have copies of some older A-5s that I never submitted that I'm going to attempt to do a hybrid update of and submit those. This is to test out some techniques for updating other submitted skins that I no longer have the files for. Then I have some skins to make for the scenario in June.