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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ML52 on March 01, 2016, 04:47:56 PM
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I am finally ready to get a new computer which I'll use for Aces, email, and researching family history. I've looked at Bestbuy, Amazon, and Newegg. Where else should I shop and any suggestions on what to get. My budget is around 1,500. Do I have to go with windows 10?
Here are the ones I am thinking about
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101240&ignorebbr=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230099&ignorebbr=1
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You might look at NCIX.com.
They will build and test a comp for a nominal charge,you select the components you want and you can compare each part and they price match!
I think it's a better way to go rather than buying some box that was put together to maximize the stores profit.
There are several other places that will do this type of setup as well and if you're not sure what parts you need or what system/setup is best for the money I would just ask!
I guess you did indeed ask.... :rofl
If you wait a few days all the experts can come in and tell you whats the best,you alreeady have a budget,1500 should build you a very nice custom box.
Now those that know about comps can suggest which MB and cpu is a good start.
:salute
PS: I've built my last 2 comps through NCIX,both are still going strong and 1 is over 10 years now.
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http://www.digitalstorm.com/desktops.asp
I know a few people who have bought their computer from these guys and they have no complaints. I think, instead of building my own as I have for years, I'll be letting them build one for me.
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Very good advice there.
As Morfiend said, let someone build the computer according to your wishes. That includes getting any available OS instead of 10!
For planning purposes, www.pcpartpicker.com (http://www.pcpartpicker.com) has a very nice system building app, including OS'es. They also have guides and examples of builds, including filters to reduce the options to what you need - like Intel, Nvidia...
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something at DigitalStorm, like the following, below that I just fiddled around with real quick:
Configuration Code: 1380150
Configuration URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1380150
dropping from Windows 10 Home, back to Windows 7 64 bit, actually costs an additional $52.00
I wouldn't bother with the Acer you listed from Newegg....... the CyberPowePC, I would recommend going to their website and buying it directly from them, and customizing it to your liking
below, I fiddled around a little with the cyberpowerpc you linked to at newegg, over on the cyberpowerpc website..... yes the price increased, but you can make it like you want it
Configuration#: 1HQX7F
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1HQX7F <--- think after the changes of MB, System Ram, Videocard, PSU..... the price was up to $1,999.00 before rebates... but this was just me fiddling around, you can drop things back down to whatever you want, which will give you the price that Newegg is showing........ but you also can opt for Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, and still be way under the $1,500.00 limit you posted as your budget
hope this helps
TC
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Or as Bizman has posted, go to pcpartpicker and pick your parts ( which I think it also tells you/lets you know what works with what, and what doesn't )
and price your parts, and build your own system, gain the knowledge of doing it, learn more about the internals of the PC, know exactly what you have and how it went together and save you some money or take the savings to buy more top end performance parts....
hope this helps
TC
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Just a thought before you buy. I also was looking for someone who would build me a pc. i checked out all the places listed so far on this thread and a few more. check out these 2 threads i started. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,371524.15.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,372743.0.html
having never build a computer myself so i was a bit nervous, but using the link Bizman provided http://pcpartpicker.com/
i was able to build a system with way better components with the money i saved by doing it myself.
all the places listed here will build you a fine computer but before you make any decision consider what you will gain by doing it yourself.
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Thanks gentlemen for all the information, I've spent a good part of today reading the sites and did a first pass dream build on pcpartpicker; totally blew the budget. LOL Honestly I didn't really understand a good deal of what I read, my thinking behind the dream build was to take the parts that seemed to be well reviewed without cost as a factor. It is a dream....
Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (2)
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card
Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition ATX Full Tower Case
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Samsung SH-118CB/BEBE DVD/CD Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 OEM (64-bit)
Creative Labs ZXR 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card
Acer XF270HU 144Hz 27.0" Monitor
Logitech G300S Wired Optical Mouse
$2581.75
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well here is your dream with a bit better parts for $700 less which includes a 1 t hard drive . this is the same pc i built https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MAVADAKIN/saved/#view=94rXsY
the mouse you can get anywhere and this computer will hook up to a large screen TV using HDMI cable. so I dont know what you spent on the monitor but this is larger and will work fine http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-LED32G45RQ-32-1080p-60Hz-LED-HDTV/45776383.
ps also if your set on the MSI gaming 5 motherboard i have 1 for sale new unopened in the box i could let you have for $75 plus shipping.
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I guess dream implied one that my heart was set on, I stand corrected. Mike you did what I hoped to have happen though, at this stage I don't know the merits or quality of the separate parts. The monitor and mouse were included because in my mind that made the total package, I see your point. Is that as good a motherboard as the reviews on pcpartpicker implied? Also why add the second hard drive, the Western digital, what is the benefit?
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first off yes it is the same motherboard and it is doing a fine job in my new pc. well worth the rating and price i paid. the reason for the extra hard drive . first off the ssd you had was a bit costly . all i put on that drive is the windows operating system and programs. all data such as videos pictures music documents etc go on the larger hard drive . the ssd is fast but really no need to use it for storage. so i went with the smaller 250 gig for that reason and there has been no real loss of speed going back and forth other then boot time. my pc will boot windows in under 15 seconds depending how fast i type in my password lol. that is the real reason for getting a ssd is to save time but really not needed for storage of data. I currently have about 25 programs loaded on my ssd with still over 125 gig space empty.
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i bought mine from cyberpowerpc the only thing I updated was my video card but I only paid 800 for my system for them to build it and to make sure I could upgrade in the future
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I recently built this: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,376121.0.html
Prior to the Black Friday discounts I think the box (no monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc.) was coming in right around that $1500 mark give or take. It can at least give you a starting point to modify from. I suggest building it yourself and working from a "best bang for the buck" standpoint.
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Thanks Baldeagl using your info I was able to get to very close to my target budget.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4ZKCf7
Am I leaving anything out?
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Thanks Baldeagl using your info I was able to get to very close to my target budget.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4ZKCf7
Am I leaving anything out?
Don't forget thermal paste.
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Thanks Baldeagl using your info I was able to get to very close to my target budget.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4ZKCf7
Am I leaving anything out?
you could go with this CPU cooler comes with thermal paste
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2
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Noctua is better and quieter.
Having an Obsidian 750D, I enjoy the room and simplicity. Maybe see if one of the Mid tower Obsidians work for you.
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After two strokes and a heart attack, I still build my own boxes.
You just to identify what you are going to use it for, research
the components that you can afford and will do the job you intend!
Quite simple actually.
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you could go with this CPU cooler comes with thermal paste
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2
The Noctua coolers come with thermal compound too but Arctic Silver is the standard.
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The flatter the surfaces are the less impact thermal compound has. It should be needed only to fill almost invisible scratches. Trying to make a solid thermal connection between two spherical objects is not a viable idea no matter the compound in between.
Although some people can and do finish the surfaces, I'd rather rely on sufficient commercial quality. Uneven surfaces may tell about other, less visible inconsistencies.
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Noctua coolers really do not need further finishing, at least if the last 20 or so I have bought are anything to go by.
I have had other coolers that looked like the copper surfaces had been dragged down the surface of a road, and that's right out of the box. I managed to save them by using 400 wet-or-dry on a glass surface and lapping the heat sink for about two hours. Once the surface was uniform I continued working down to 2 micron paper. This can take the better part of a day in the worst cases. The result is a mirror surface, but Arctic Silver 5 can still find gaps in the surface if you use it by the directions. You can verify this by seeing how the surface has been effected by use over long periods. When you see copper that looks silver you know how well it works. It really is effective, but the most telling results are in the temperatures. Hand lapping in combination with Arctic Silver 5 can drop the temps down by 3-10C (idle/load) over a non-lapped surface.
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Good decision going to a 1151 over the 1150 ML52 - a 6600k is a newer cpu/platform than the 4690/4790k, but not much is any more $, so going to the more current cpu/MB is a smart choice.
One thing I'd like to put in is this - if you can wait a few months, do so. The new 1080 GPU from nVidia as well as new Polaris stuff from AMD will be out in June/July they have said yesterday, so spending big $ on a 980ti will mean that it'll be instantly devalued in just a few short months, by a lot, and a newer card that's much faster will be out. The new Pascal 100 series which will have HBM memory will be out shortly after the 1080 is released too, which will further depress the value of the 980ti right now.
If that doesn't bother you, get a 980ti right now, as it's still arguably the fastest card out there (even compared to the Titan it's close or faster in a few apps/games, Fury as well), and a great card, but just be aware that very, very shortly it's going to be replaced, and the price will plummet, as will resale value, as well as it won't be the fastest performing nVidia option out there any longer.
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Thanks for the update regarding possible price drop on the gtx980ti's, GMan
my Daughter's were planning to get me one for my birthday this coming May........I'll tell them to hold off a month or 2
Thanks
TC
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intel - I7 is a must!
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Randall, you're going to get a lot of people jump on your for that - so much that I think you're just kidding.
Most everyone who follows gaming tech will agree IMO that i5 CPUs usually perform nearly as good, or just as well, as their i7 big brothers in the majority of games out there. Most gaming builds specifically mention that saving the 150$ plus going from say an i7 6700k to an i5 6600k is money far, FAR better put into a better GPU for example.
Also, AMD is catching up a bit CPU wise if the rumors about the new CPUs they are soon to release are to be believed, so while I agree Intel is currently a bit better bang/$ performance wise, that gap may soon close quickly.
TC - wccf tech's site just released more info on the 1080 nVidia cards as well, too much to post here, but they are coming fast now, by summer at the latest, so a late b-day present would be good timing.
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Myself? Waiting for the HBM memory even if it means something like a Quadro.
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The first Nvdia release will be non hbm 1080, but the new Titan or g100 will be hbm mem, and should be out summer is or q3 too. I may get 1080s then flip em once hbm comes out.
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Yeah, not so excited by the 1080 announcement. HBM will turn 4k monitors into a "must-have" item I think. Maybe HD games will finally be freed of input lag forever.
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Gman thank you for the information. I think I am going to go ahead and order the parts next week, have to admit to a bit of impatience for a new machine.
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I know that feeling ML52, I've been waiting for Broadwell E/Pascal for months now, and have a system I want to upgrade/replace with that cpu/gpu. Every day I nearly say the same thing and just build another 6700k/980ti SLI system, and tell myself I can always just sell/upgrade when Pascal comes out, which is likely true, and still do alright $ wise.
Challenge, I'm on the pre order wait list for the Asus Pg348Q. While not 4k, 1440p IPS Gsync with 34" is going to take a lot to drive to max with some AAA stuff too. I have an Acer 4k with both a Titan, 980 SLI an a 980ti been tried for testing it, and input lag/visual lag/low FPS is still a problem with many games on max settings at 4k, and that's only a 28" screen. Both ROG Swifts, the TN and IPS work fine IMO at 1440p with current top end cards/SLI, but even they can bog.
Let us know how it works out ML52, pics/etc would be cool when you're finished.