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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: MADe on March 19, 2016, 09:38:30 PM
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Pointed at P 38 pilots,
I'm gonna redo my throttle unit. One thing I always wanted was a multiple engine throttle unit, 4 pots.
The mechanics are a bit tuff, layering in the handles, but since I am really using a pc, the throttle unit comes with a lot of buttons and hat switch, which on a real throttle would be absent. The acquired extra inputs change how you would make a throttle for pc, so they are generally 1 pot for engine axis.
The current unit I use works fine, but I could clean it up design wise, add more pots, revamp my hat switch and redo the over all controller electronics. So if I go there, I want to make it possible to add multiple throttle axis's, specifically 2 or 3.
My question is how do you gents deal with multi-engine control on say a HOTAS setup?
Just buttons?
Its about turning and individual throttle management in a turn, how do you use your hardware to achieve this?
I have my own ideas but I need input from a habitual P38 driver, as to technique in use of hardware.
:salute
ps: been home brewing flight gear for years so I am serious here.
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How do you think individual throttles help turning? Turning is thrust vs drag. Reducing thrust on one side doesn't help with that. The only thing individual throttles help with is spin control and hammerheads.
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I have the dual throttles on the X55 set I have. Don't see much help in one throttle over two. Best so far is when I lose a wing tip it helps to level out for the slow flight home. I've heard that in the top of a loop/hammer head stall it helps to bring it over a bit quicker, but how often do you get there?
Don't really think its worth the effort.
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You can do really great doughnuts on the ground with dual throttles. :rock
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Dual throttles are cool. It makes it easier to turn a P-38 around on a carrier and reload. I worked on different techniques for dual throttle control, but never found an absolute advantage. There is a technique where in a spiraling climb, you cut one engine and the p38 flips around. Now this works but it is hard to control the flip for a reverse six shot. At least for me it is.
One thing I use more is switches for engine start and stop selection. If one engine is oiled, you can select it then shut it down to cool and save it for when you need it.
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Delirium had one and stopped using it, IIRC. That should be indicator enough.
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Why would you turn around on a carrier? Just back up. You know you can do that right?
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Why would you turn around on a carrier? Just back up. You know you can do that right?
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:rofl
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Many years ago I tested out for a few tours a F-15 Suncom dual throttle, to see if having a dual throttle would be of any benefit over a single throttle like the CH Pro Throttle. In combat, it wasn't of any real benefit. It didn't make me turn any tighter than I already could with a single throttle, and in fact it was a little bit of a pain in the arse at times. It was easy to get into a spin caused by asymmetrical power if you didn't advance both throttles at the same time to full power or WEP (just like the real P-38). The only areas where it was helpful was in recovering from certain type of spins in the P-38, especially the spin caused by the flaps auto-retracting while in a hard turn, the other area was the immersion factor. After about 4-5 tours with the Suncom throttle, I went back to my trusty Pro Throttle and never used anything else since.
Funny thing is people don't believe me that I use a single throttle, some are convinced I'm lying and really using a dual throttle.
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hmmmm tanx gents
My original thought was to just have a single axis throttle, with the proper physical movement, and add either 2 buttons or 2 pots as dials, somewhere on the unit and do it cheaply. Basically what I have now, with 2 additional pots added for thumb actuation. 2 buttons could be used on/off but it all depends on how 38 drivers would manipulate the engines in 1st place. Some are now also disputing its viability as well......................... ..........
I guess what I really want to understand is how 38 drivers work the 38 with the HOSTAS and keyboard. The basic throttle is ez, its the button layout, home made hat switch that's the be-otch, its getting me interfaced with pc in a way that's 2nd nature. ie: button layout maps my hand
I began wondering about a "tankers" setup. The electronics would be the same approach. Its the tankers control movements being mimicked and translated to PC that would matter. Thing is I do not really ever drive GV's............................ ..........
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Personally I think one of the best attributes of the 38 is it doesn't have torque working against a certain direction. Makes you more unpredictable IMO
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I guess what I really want to understand is how 38 drivers work the 38 with the HOSTAS and keyboard. The basic throttle is ez, its the button layout, home made hat switch that's the be-otch, its getting me interfaced with pc in a way that's 2nd nature. ie: button layout maps my hand
I don't use the keyboard for any flight related stuff, only for chatting and setting stuff like salvo. All flight related KB controls are programmed into either my Pro Throttle or Combat Stick, so I can keep my hands on the controls at all times during the fight.
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Yeah I never go to the keyboard for much. Like AKAK, nothing to do with actual flying. Same stick setup he has. I just have the usual suspects mapped to buttons and hats.
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I don't use the keyboard for any flight related stuff, only for chatting and setting stuff like salvo. All flight related KB controls are programmed into either my Pro Throttle or Combat Stick, so I can keep my hands on the controls at all times during the fight.
Same here.
The thrustmaster cougar panel is a big help as well for setting common keyboard use like salvo settings, climb speeds, radio setting and so forth.
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(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/LabRat3947/Copy%20of%20CH%20Pro%20Throttle%20-%20LtngRydr15%20Jan%202014.jpg) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/LabRat3947/media/Copy%20of%20CH%20Pro%20Throttle%20-%20LtngRydr15%20Jan%202014.jpg.html)
I only fly P-38s and this is how my throttle is mapped.
Cutting one engine "seems" to help in a hammerhead turn, but then I could be imagining it.
For everything else I use Voice Attack. An $18.00 VOX command program.
I have 61 commands, so far, for everything I use; changing salvos, comms, move, locate, etc.
I only use my keyboard for typing messages.
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ty folks
I began the process. Basic button layout drilled and new palm hat completed. Will post up pics.
My hands mostly stay on controls. I have come kb commands like gear, zooms....................
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ty folks
I began the process. Basic button layout drilled and new palm hat completed. Will post up pics.
My hands mostly stay on controls. I have come kb commands like gear, zooms....................
:aok
Pictures would be interesting
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:rofl
Why you laughing? He's serious. When you sit on the carrier, just nudge your throttle ever slow slightly, the forward motion/breeze from the CV will push you slowly backwards.
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Don't be giving away all the super secrets! Hehe
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Why you laughing? He's serious. When you sit on the carrier, just nudge your throttle ever slow slightly, the forward motion/breeze from the CV will push you slowly backwards.
I'm laughing because I know of no one who would "turn around on a CV", except the OP. Drop flaps, barely hit throttle.
Drano knows why I was laughing.
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(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/LabRat3947/Copy%20of%20CH%20Pro%20Throttle%20-%20LtngRydr15%20Jan%202014.jpg) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/LabRat3947/media/Copy%20of%20CH%20Pro%20Throttle%20-%20LtngRydr15%20Jan%202014.jpg.html)
I only fly P-38s and this is how my throttle is mapped.
Cutting one engine "seems" to help in a hammerhead turn, but then I could be imagining it.
For everything else I use Voice Attack. An $18.00 VOX command program.
I have 61 commands, so far, for everything I use; changing salvos, comms, move, locate, etc.
I only use my keyboard for typing messages.
I tried voice command software. Found to much cross talk would interfere. Or my com chat would get voice commands..................... ...
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I'm laughing because I know of no one who would "turn around on a CV", except the OP. Drop flaps, barely hit throttle.
Drano knows why I was laughing.
Then you are showing your ignorance. :rofl
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Then you are showing your ignorance. :rofl
Sorry. There is no need to turn around on a carrier. So wipe the egg off.
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actually, if you want to run up your kill count, for the text glory, and you are operating off of a CV........................... ........ :x
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actually, if you want to run up your kill count, for the text glory, and you are operating off of a CV........................... ........ :x
I think the point is you can back up without having to turn around.
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I think the point is you can back up without having to turn around.
Yahtzee!
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I think the point is you can back up without having to turn around.
That's a good CV point. Another point made here in the P-38 thread is that the P-38 can pivot nicely on it's wheels. :D
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ANY of the planes pivot nicely using brakes. Point you missed was why would you do that on a CV? Do you?
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The single engine planes don't pivot as well.
Am I supposed to care if Randy likes to turn around on a CV? Why do you?
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ANY of the planes pivot nicely using brakes. Point you missed was why would you do that on a CV? Do you?
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Point being, I started thread to get 38 drivers pov on use of controller. Ultimately "multiple" posts about doing circles on a CV's deck is less than helpful...................... .......................
I've completed the mechanical portion of the throttle unit build, its ready for the electronics.
Any 38 drivers with controller pointer or tips, please chime up.
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Since you have balanced torque in the P-38 you don't usually need to adjust aileron and rudder trim but elevator trim is useful and you only need one extra analog control on the throttle to control it. This will be useful for any aircraft that you might fly into compression.
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One big advantage of the P-38L is it's ords carrying. I use a thrustmaster cougar panel and the TARGET software to set salvo buttons so just by pushing a button I get the desired salvo. Very useful. They come in two packs but one will do. Split a pack with a friend and the price is not bad.
As FLS noted, elevator trim, is nice feature. Once you get used to manual elevator trim you will not want to go back to the stiffness of auto trim.
Two stage firing trigger is good for the 38 and other canon planes. Pull the trigger halfway to use just the 50s, then full pull for the canon and 50s.
The cougar panel has press to hold, spring loaded rocker switches with a neutral center that is super for RPM setting which is very helpful for the 38 to save fuel. Use E6B settings.
Make sure you have WEP easy to access.
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hmmm
I currently have the aileron and elevator trims mapped to a pot, I had 2 available inputs so I thru in some older pots, never could get the hang of manual trimming. Its just constantly changing. But I can see where elev trim could be used in diving, I cut motor.....................
With new plane brain, I can use 8 pots. 4 pots are taken for basic flight axis, that leaves 4, for trimming, for engines, for ............................. ......?
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So,
started flying the 38L. 1st impressions,
hard to see out of,
not very fast, flips out at around 500mph
lawn darts like a pro
can take a pounding
manueverable
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So,
started flying the 38L. 1st impressions,
hard to see out of,
not very fast, flips out at around 500mph
lawn darts like a pro
can take a pounding
manueverable
The lawn dart thing is very easy to overcome. Once mastered, it will never happen again.
All the other things listed can be turned to advantage at times.
The P-38 can defeat any plane in the game. It's biggest problem is it is the choice of targets in the game so you will have to defend off twice the attacks over any other planes. That too can work to your advantage too since people get fixated on the 38.
The P-38 is still the best plane in the game.
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The P-38 is still the best plane in the game.
Far from it.
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The lawn dart thing is very easy to overcome. Once mastered, it will never happen again.
All the other things listed can be turned to advantage at times.
The P-38 can defeat any plane in the game. It's biggest problem is it is the choice of targets in the game so you will have to defend off twice the attacks over any other planes. That too can work to your advantage too since people get fixated on the 38.
The P-38 is still the best plane in the game.
You mustn't have spent much time in P-39s, P-40s, P-47s, Zeroes, Spits, 110s or Mossies. They all draw crowds as big or bigger.
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Far from it.
You know what I meant.
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The P-38 is still the best plane in the game.
Let's discuss perking it :D
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Let's discuss perking it. for another discussion
It's biggest problem is it is the choice of targets in the game so you will have to defend off twice the attacks over any other planes. nobody hunts p38's, they kill what gets in the way of a missions parameters or line of sight...
I think I like the J model of the group best......................... .......
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Let's discuss perking it. for another discussion
. . .nobody hunts p38's
True, but in a group of planes, the larger, slower planes will be attacked first. You probably do that yourself. Many times I have used the P-38 to drag multiple planes away from a base we are about to capture.
Did you finish your Joystick and throttle?
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Yes
Pics posted.
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The P-38 can defeat any plane in the game. It's biggest problem is it is the choice of targets in the game so you will have to defend off twice the attacks over any other planes.
38 pilots are like the aspies of AH.
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Dual throttle will not improve anything except flying home damaged.
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Yes
Pics posted.
Where might one find these pictures?
Mike
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378454.0.html
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Thanks much. Very impressive build skills, both in the actual construction and (especially, I think) in finding things to re-purpose for use. I do not have the construction skills and definitely don't have the creativity to come up with something like that.
Mike
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my goal has never been for technical specifications. it was to take ordinary cheap crap and put my body thru like motions as a ww2 pilot. As well as interface those type movements to a modern pc interface. The throttle is as much a battle board as it is a throttle.
TY 4 kind comment
:salute