General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: shppr01 on March 24, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
Title: Ok Engineers and smart guys !!
Post by: shppr01 on March 24, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
Hey there , I am in need of something . I just got my ride fixed and new tires will be coming soon! Here is a pic ! (http://[URL=http://s1006.photobucket.com/user/cpfaender/media/IMG_20160323_183038394.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/cpfaender/IMG_20160323_183038394.jpg)[/URL][/img](http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/cpfaender/IMG_20160323_183038394.jpg) (http://s1006.photobucket.com/user/cpfaender/media/IMG_20160323_183038394.jpg.html)
What I need now is a way to get it up these steps without tearing them out or causing hate with my association. I used to get it on the other side of the fence and try to push it up the hill, but I can no longer do that . I need some kind of ramp I can put down and take up without too much effort. Let me know !!
Title: Re: Ok Engineers and smart guys !!
Post by: Meatwad on March 24, 2016, 05:41:51 PM
Plywood
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Post by: ROC on March 24, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
http://www.rnrassociates.com/wordpress/wheelchair-ramp-and-staircase-all-in-one/ (http://www.rnrassociates.com/wordpress/wheelchair-ramp-and-staircase-all-in-one/) How about this?
Title: Re: Ok Engineers and smart guys !!
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 24, 2016, 11:16:03 PM
Suggest pressing control "A""
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Post by: guncrasher on March 24, 2016, 11:55:03 PM
i have no idea but why not lilsten to this while you think
semp
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Post by: Bizman on March 25, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
Here people build ramps either on the side of the stairs or over them so that you can walk in the middle, in the style of the telescopic ones in ROC's post.
No matter what the design I'd build the ramp out of bar grating, that won't be slippery and would also allow snow to fall through. IMO the best option would be a full breadth ramp on the side of the stairs, moving the fence one yard further.
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Post by: 8thJinx on March 25, 2016, 09:39:11 AM
The ADA doesn't apply here. I know a fair bit about this subject, because I do ADA/FHA accessibility assessments for HUD and universities. The ADA Title III applies to areas of public accommodation, like the leasing office, the pool if it's open to members' guests or public events, or community rooms if they are available for rent to the public, plus all of the accessible routes and facilities related to these areas. The ADA does not apply to an HOA member's unit or the route to that unit.
However, the Fair Housing Act does apply. The FHA accessibility requirements apply to the individual units and the routes to them. But there's a big caveat. The HOA member can make a request for an accessibility feature, but the requested work has to be "reasonable" in order for the HOA to be on the hook to pay for it. If the work represents an undue burden to the HOA, either financially or operations-wise, then the HOA can require the member to pay for part or all of it, or deny it.
Also, the FHA accessibility requirements apply to properties occupied after 1991. For anything built before then, you are at the mercy of what the HOA considers "feasible". If they don't deem it economically feasible, you're out of luck. For example, there are thousands of multi-family buildings in NYC that were built prior to 1991, and none of them are required to meet FHA requirements because it's simply not feasible to do so.
My guess here is that a ramp seems reasonable if you can demonstrate a permanent disability and the only way you have to get in and out of your unit and to your car or public transportation is by ramp. It doesn't hurt to make a request. But if your neighbors have seen you walk around and go up and down steps on your own, it might be a tougher prospect.
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Post by: shppr01 on March 25, 2016, 01:30:22 PM
That's exactly what I found when I researched it lynx. My hoa will not purchase anything. I get 700.00 a month disability, which barely covers bills. What I am looking at is in the second pic where the fence is, mayba swing down type ramp made out of plywood and a rubber mat. I could swing it down when I need it and put it back up so the others could use the steps. I can padlock them to the fence so kids won't screw with them.. Problem is how do I build it and get approval from my HOA!!!
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Post by: morfiend on March 25, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Build a ramp and hinge it to the fence posts,you may need new posts with proper spacing. Then use a counter balance to make raising and lowering the ramp/ramps a one handed easy thing to do.
You could even make it part of the fence beside the sidewalk and just have sections that can be lowered as needed. You could get all fancy and use electricity to raise and lower the ramp sections but a couple small pulleys and some weight will make it a 1 handed thing.
:salute
Dang,seems shipper has the same idea! :aok
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Post by: The Fugitive on March 25, 2016, 05:07:39 PM
You may want a lawyer not an engineer. Recommended angle of ramps is 1/12. For each inch of raising you need a foot of ramp. If the post in the picture is a 4 inch post, the risers look to be about 6 inch. 8 steps, not to mention the slight grade from one set of stairs to the other means the ramp should be 48 feet long. You have 3 stiles in the fence guessing 8 footers meaning you have 24 feet there so that means a switch back ramp.
Building a ramp to just cover the steps is going to be very steep making it tough on the chair to pull the weight as well as dangerous for the occupant of the chairs to either fallout or flip over.
A lawyer or inspector should be able to help come up with options as well as any disability organizations in your area.
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Post by: Arlo on March 25, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
Sometimes a problem requires addressing in a different direction (though I know you've already committed to the chair you have). My father made wooden ramps for my mother's wheelchair when we weren't the owners of the property and finally poured a concrete one when we bought a house. But my mother would have found this piece of technology very useful, since it would not require such. Wish she was alive to see it:
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Post by: NatCigg on March 25, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
if that is all the width you have you going to need a lot of room coming back from the photographers position. after goggling ada i see they recommend 1:12 (rise:run), so for every foot droop the ramp must extend 12 feet. it looks like you need to rise 6 feet so you need a 72 foot ramp.! you can gain length by zig zaging the route up the hill, even a long L or other rout if you have more room to the right of the fence. how ever you do it the total path length must be 72 feet long. If you increase the slope you run the risk of everyone slipping on the ramp from rain, dew, ice, mildew. If you put down plywood on the stairs get a jet pack and hit the ramp at full speed. :rock
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Post by: DREDIOCK on March 25, 2016, 09:40:11 PM