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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: vHACKv on April 16, 2016, 12:57:56 PM
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Mosquito 6Lb. gun! What could go wrong adding a literal ton of gun with a supplemental 1/2 ton of armor to the nose of the flying piano? That would keep it from being used in a serious AvA role except maybe for bomber smiting, the weight would keep it from moving the nose around with authority.
Here is a nice film produced by De Haviland themselves about the Mosquito. The six Lb.er makes an appearance around the 36:20 mark, but you must watch the minute or so before it, for the proper English humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh4vazBq-X4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh4vazBq-X4)
My favorite quote is at 12:43 or so, "this balsa wood is a curios kind of tropical timber", note the amount of wood that girl can handle. Did they have double entendre in 1941? The dry English wit and humor is thick in this one, I love it! Almost as good as Night Bombers, a documentary that should be required watching, before joining the forum. _-V-_ Victor
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It was more than just a gun package and merited a different variant number - mosquito XVIII 'tse tse'.
Tho mollins was an excellent armor penetrating cannon that was used as a groud weapon against armor in Africa, and had a naval version as well. All mossie XVIII were delivered to coastal command squadrons where they were mixed with mossie VI in anti shipping and anti sub work. While they were few in numbers they saw heavy usage and much action. They were also credited with a kill on a JU88 using the mollins and may have shot down a 190, but that it not verified. Shooting the mollins in A2A must have been awesome - it had about the same muzzle velocity as the hispano.
True, the mollins gun was a heavy beast, but then agan, it was installed insteaf of the 4 hisanos, so the net gain in weight was not as high as one may expect. The extra armor did icrease weight, but performance did not deteriorate by that much. In AH it will probably like flying the VI with internal bombs and a bit more fuel to simulate the extra weight.
I'd love to see the Mosquito XVIII in AH. Imagine the B25 with a hell of alot more performance, and an AP cannon that shoots about 1 round per second and it would still be a half decent a2a platform.
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They were also credited with a kill on a JU88 using the mollins and may have shot down a 190, but that it not verified.
Imagine the look on their faces :eek:
I can verify that 190 pixie dust was found spread over a large area, no longer twinkling :old:
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Imagine the look on their faces :eek:
I can verify that 190 pixie dust was found spread over a large area, no longer twinkling :old:
You need 3 hits to penetrate the armor of the Yak3 though.
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What the Molins Mossie would be mainly used for in AH is tank busting. It wasn't used this way in RL but that was originally what it was designed for. Unless it was perked it would likely make all other cannon-carrying tank busters obsolete. Not only would it fire a 57 mm AP shell instead of a 37 mm or 40 mm but it would also be a lot better A2A.
If I was a bomber pilot I'd be a lot more worried about them introducing a Mossie Mk 30, four nose mounted Hispanos but with two stage supercharged Merlins.
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You need 3 hits to penetrate the armor of the Yak3 though.
:rofl True! And yet the Mosquito in AH only needs one shot from a .22 air rifle :furious
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Please god no, at least not unless the GV's get towed 90mm M2's.
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The trees in AH3 will make all aircraft that use guns to kill tanks hanger queens for that job. While you can get at the tanks, you have to come in at almost ground level to see the tanks in the trees for a clean line of fire. Giving the commander mode tank driver an easy main gun shot as you fly straight and level to line up your shot under the trees.
I've been testing this since the trees were introduced with the TT object during the closed alpha. A HurriC with two 500lb bombs will become the new quick tank killer and wirbel turret buster. The GV drivers quickly catch on to how the trees protect them from planes. If there are no friendly GVs looking for them, the enemy GV drivers can use the tree mazes to play hide and seek all the way to their target.
After loosing 3 IL2 trying to take down a single T34 one day with guns recently in the beta. I upped a HurriC with 2 eggs and from there, every time he spawned I nailed him with eggs. When he brought a wribel, I dove from straight above and popped his 20mm with my 4 hispanos. I felt so, so, Ghi-ish........... :O
So maybe the Tse-Tse becomes the new uber bomber killer. It will certainly be faster and more maneuverable than the 410.
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the best gv killer is a mossie XVI with the 4000 lbs bomb - because there is no such thing as a too big of a boom.
use the hole in the clip of the clipboard as an aiming device and dive bomb that perked tank. No need to aim very well with that bomb.
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What armour did the mossie Mk30 have in the front /back ?
You would be dead before even coming to 800 yards with it against a B17 set with good gunners, without very good armour.
What the Molins Mossie would be mainly used for in AH is tank busting. It wasn't used this way in RL but that was originally what it was designed for. Unless it was perked it would likely make all other cannon-carrying tank busters obsolete. Not only would it fire a 57 mm AP shell instead of a 37 mm or 40 mm but it would also be a lot better A2A.
If I was a bomber pilot I'd be a lot more worried about them introducing a Mossie Mk 30, four nose mounted Hispanos but with two stage supercharged Merlins.
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Bozon, I'll make you a 1500 yard 57mm gunsight........:O
I already have one to vulch the rearm pad with the 50mm at 5000 yards. 3000 yards has a tighter dispersion and a better hit percentage. Morfiend sat on the run way for me as my target.
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What armour did the mossie Mk30 have in the front /back ?
You would be dead before even coming to 800 yards with it against a B17 set with good gunners, without very good armour.
Should be the same as the Mk VI, which is fine. 999000 never managed to shoot me down when I attacked him and his reputation is pretty high.
People grossly overestimate bomber guns in this game.,
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I don't generally have trouble with killing bombers even with six wing-mounted fifties. I've occasionally run into a really good gunner who has chewed me up but more often if I come off worse its because I have attacked from a bad position. The key is getting a few thousand feet above them and attacking from directly above. That's why I think the NF 30 would be a lot more of a threat than the Tse Tse, it has the high alt performance to get position above any high alt bombers and the concentrated firepower to take off a wing in one burst.
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I don't generally have trouble with killing bombers even with six wing-mounted fifties. I've occasionally run into a really good gunner who has chewed me up but more often if I come off worse its because I have attacked from a bad position. The key is getting a few thousand feet above them and attacking from directly above. That's why I think the NF 30 would be a lot more of a threat than the Tse Tse, it has the high alt performance to get position above any high alt bombers and the concentrated firepower to take off a wing in one burst.
With the removal of the 303's it allowed the Mk30 carried 240 rds per gun! That's only 960 20 mm rounds..... :devil
As much as I'd like to see the Mk18,I think I'd rather have the Mk30.
:salute
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With the removal of the 303's it allowed the Mk30 carried 240 rds per gun! That's only 960 20 mm rounds..... :devil
As much as I'd like to see the Mk18,I think I'd rather have the Mk30.
I am not sure about the 240 RPG in the NF.30, but in any case this has little to do with the removal of the 303 pea-shooters. The latter were removed to make room for the nose radar (also in earlier NF varients). Since the NF.30 did not carry bombs in the rear of the bomb bay like the FB.VI did, the space may have been used to carry more ammo. The NF.II did so in intruder missions.
The FB.VI had better performance at low altitudes typical of AH arena gameplay. NF.30 would be superior starting at 7 or 8k, and would be vastly superior at 20k.
the Mollins totting mossie would offer something more unique to AH than the NF30 will. NF30 will be VI on steroids for fighting at altitude, but without the ordnance carrying ability. I would love to see any one of them added to the game.
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Bozon,
I thought the Mk30 carried 250 rounds so I checked it's loadout. DH says it could carry an overload of 240 rounds per gun but often carried 190/170 IDRC as standard!
I suspect it would preform much like the Mk16 does at alt.
I wont quibble I'd take either or better yet both!!! :devil
It's not like 2 mossies even come close to covering 1/4 of the marks....... :x
:salute
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I'd say the Mk 18, 30 and a Mk 4 bomber would pretty much cover the Mossie for AH. The other marks are all essentially similar to one of these or were either very rare, post-war or were reconnaissance or training aircraft.
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I'd say the Mk 18, 30 and a Mk 4 bomber would pretty much cover the Mossie for AH. The other marks are all essentially similar to one of these or were either very rare, post-war or were reconnaissance or training aircraft.
Combined with AH's existing Mk VI and Mk XVI those would be nearly complete. I'd only add the F.Mk II to the list as its performance was significantly inferior to the Mk VI's and it was the earliest fighter version, and saw decent usage.