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Title: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on April 18, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
Hitech,

Have you discontinued allowing TrackIR in 2-axis Yaw\Pitch mode to inherit the saved hps file info?
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: hitech on April 18, 2016, 04:39:18 PM
Not intentionally. But the Vr stuff was merged with the track ir stuff. So the could be a bug, are you seeing one?

HiTech

Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on April 18, 2016, 05:53:53 PM
Yes, testing tracers this morning I used TR in 2-axis mode. All views are the default basic with no inheritance from the HPS file. The 6 view is now into the head rest.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Chilli on April 18, 2016, 06:24:14 PM
I haven't tried TrackIR yet, but have had similar experiences with F11 views from filmviewer replay.  I find that the Pan  / Snap / Instant / Padlock buttons sometimes deal unexpected but desired effects.  I wondered if that is in play with the bug......  anyway, pardon the clueless intrusion if there is no connection....
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Ratsy on April 19, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
I have also failed to see my programmed AH3 views while using the TrackIR in this release.

No progress without a few blisters.

 :salute
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Wiley on April 19, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
While you're looking into it, any chance you'd consider making it so in 6DOF mode it will also inherit the HPS file settings depending on which view button you hit?  Would be kind of nice for 6 view in some planes, can't really see a downside to it.

Just a thought.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on April 19, 2016, 11:37:05 AM
Or, just make the inheritance of the saved 6 view a global function to TR for all TR axis modes. After all we don't have rear view mirrors in planes that were the only way to see a 6 view of any kind. That would still leave the D11, Hurri, F4f4\FM2, F6 and C.202\5 out in the cold.

Unless with AH3, everyone will now have powerful enough systems in general that a rear view mirror view will not be an aid to those with deep pockets and an FPS killer to WalMart specials.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: TerryRF on April 20, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
   I am also having the same issue with TrackIR as buster and Ratsy. The  left and right rear view and the 6 view do not match my  saved views.  Obviously makes looking rearward an issue in the beta.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Randy1 on April 21, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
Using pitch, yaw and X,  I did not have a problem as Bustr described in his 2 axis test  with TrackIR in the current Beta version.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on April 21, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
Did you do a full download for this version or an online update?
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Delirium on May 02, 2016, 12:28:23 PM
Has the two axis mode been fixed? I want to come back in and try it, but I'd rather not have to use a hat switch after spending so much time training my weak brain to learn the TrackIR.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: TerryRF on May 03, 2016, 09:00:21 PM

I just tested Track IR n the Beta with 2 axis mode and it does not work like it does in AH2.  When using tir with yaw, pitch and x axis mode I am able to look back and around the headrest in the beta. However this is a bit  of an annoyance with the  added body motion.

Could someone else check this out in a Ki 43 and let me know if they have similar results?  In the Ki 43 the headrest is huge with tir enabled. When tir is off the saved  views are fine, just like in AH2.

I am very familiar with all settings with tir and all settings in the game. I have tinkered with them all.

Please HiTech, enable 2 axis mode in AH 3 like in the current game.

I share your concern Delerium.          :)
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Oldman731 on May 03, 2016, 09:26:19 PM
I am very familiar with all settings with tir and all settings in the game. I have tinkered with them all.


Perhaps no one can help you, then.  However, this worked for me, with the same problem:

First, enable the default Aces High II title in the TrackIR program by clicking on it.

Then, in AH3, go Options -> Preferences -> View Options, check the "TrackIR Object Relative Move" box, and apply it.

Has worked great for me ever since.

- oldman
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Chalenge on May 03, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
Just got mine back (TIR5), so I hope these issues are addressed. I think the only issue I have is mounting the camera half way up a 40" monitor without it blocking the view.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: zack1234 on May 04, 2016, 01:40:01 AM
I have not noticed any issues.

Sound directions seem to be very good with Tr
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on May 04, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Zack,

Are you using the default 6-axis mode with your TR or have you reduced it to 2-axis mode which inherits the view from the HPS file? Or are you using an older beta version and not beta 17?
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: hitech on May 04, 2016, 04:30:17 PM
Do you think these two lines of code may help?

               ClosestIndex = viewGetClosestAttViewIndex(&TrackAtt);
               viewChangePanViewIndex(ClosestIndex,viewPAN_TIME);


They were inadvertently removed when adding in the VR stuff.

Finally dx11 is basicly working so looking at a few of the posted issues.


HiTech
   
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on May 04, 2016, 05:15:05 PM
Thank you....
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: steely07 on May 04, 2016, 08:36:10 PM
Thanks HT!!, great news for us trackir people that are only using the 2 axis setup!
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: 1stpar3 on May 05, 2016, 03:20:59 AM
Just wondering, why use only a 2 axis setup with track ir? I use it and have zero issues. I use everything  but true view or object relative. Oh don't use roll either. I have had no issues at all in the beta. Love the fact that in F3 mode in bombers the tracker works!! Was a bit handicapped in AH2, have some trouble using keypad and trying to fly.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: bustr on May 05, 2016, 12:00:56 PM
Just wondering, why use only a 2 axis setup with track ir?

Because I personally don't like doing chair yoga to see over my shoulder when 2-axis mode inherits the saved head postions and pans through them with much less head movement. I've been using TR since TR3 shipped 2003 in AH. I've had a lot of time in AH with TR to repeatedly test this with models of the hardware and updates of the software.

With the new graphics engine I was hoping Hitech would give us rear view mirrors.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: nooby52 on May 05, 2016, 12:05:11 PM
With the new graphics engine I was hoping Hitech would give us rear view mirrors.

Here here! or is it Hear Hear! Anyway, I agree.  :aok
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Chilli on May 05, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
When HiTech first explained rendering a mirror, IIRC he said that it would require rendering an entire "world" or something to that affect.  I learned with the environment map discussions, that the reflections are made from a picture "cube" that are not constantly refreshed (the same as the environment).

Until there is software, that is able to do what you wish without destroying all important framerates (compare the discussion on environment map settings) I believe that we can keep that item on the wishlist a little while longer (myself included).

edit:  Bustr,  I have always been interested in TrackIR and now VR, but suffering from muscular skeletal pain, especially in the shoulder and neck area, I had been skeptical of my ability to use it for extended periods of time.  Who knows it might end up being therapeutic if done properly. 

My question about TrackIR / VR, is the look back button disorienting, or just more clumbsy?
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: 1stpar3 on May 06, 2016, 02:13:05 PM
Chair Yoga! Nice...I was right! It can be used as an acceptable form of exercise. I never had a issue I guess. I changed the curves on those axis to ease the process. I use a Look Back button and look front button also. For aiming around the nose on some planes. The look front just slaves sight line to center while I am slid to either side of cockpit.  So I guess I am there with you, just didn't understand the terminology you were using. Glad track ir in Beta works in bomber F3mode!!!
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: 1stpar3 on May 10, 2016, 05:49:39 PM
When HiTech first explained rendering a mirror, IIRC he said that it would require rendering an entire "world" or something to that affect.  I learned with the environment map discussions, that the reflections are made from a picture "cube" that are not constantly refreshed (the same as the environment).

Until there is software, that is able to do what you wish without destroying all important framerates (compare the discussion on environment map settings) I believe that we can keep that item on the wishlist a little while longer (myself included).

edit:  Bustr,  I have always been interested in TrackIR and now VR, but suffering from muscular skeletal pain, especially in the shoulder and neck area, I had been skeptical of my ability to use it for extended periods of time.  Who knows it might end up being therapeutic if done properly. 

My question about TrackIR / VR, is the look back button disorienting, or just more clumbsy?
Chilly, I have Multiple Sclerosis  and have trouble using keyboard buttons. Well hat switches to at times, TrackIR was the best investment to my rig yet. You can personalize the movement curves in just about every axis. A twitch to the left and you can look around the nose, a slight turn of the neck and you are looking back. You can probably get it working for even more restrictions of movement than I have. I loved Track IR so much I outfitted my whole squad. Was only 5 guys, not bragging, but I loved it..and they are practically family. I believe only one guy didn't like it,but he was out of ports to plug it in(old laptop). I got the guys the Model 4 and it uses the same platform as the 5(mine). Couldn't keep an edge if they had same level lol
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Delirium on May 10, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
Chilly, I have Multiple Sclerosis  and have trouble using keyboard buttons. Well hat switches to at times, TrackIR was the best investment to my rig yet.

I've set up a few MS patients to use TrackIR. If anyone has any old models they aren't using anymore, I encourage the AH community to donate them.
Title: Re: Hitech: TrackIR 2-axis mode.
Post by: Chilli on May 11, 2016, 12:16:20 PM
I will pass the word Delirium.  Thank you 1stpar3.

Hell, I'm gonna say it.............. frea..... G'n MOST awesome community EVERrrrr..............     :aok