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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: 8thJinx on April 19, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
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Does anyone have any film capture software recommendations that work in both AH2 and AH3? Thanks
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Loilo is free.
http://loilo.tv/us/product/game_recorder
Hardware capture is better.
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Hey Chalenge, what hardware card/box would you recommend for general gaming capture/streaming? Google isn't especially helpful or accurate on this subject.
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Give these a look Gman https://www.elgato.com/en
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Ya, I've checked the ElGato ones out, some others too, just wondering what the absolute best gamer option is out there - seen some PCI internal cards too - It's hard to know which is the best option based on the wide variety of opinions out there. I don't need console capable, after failing to force myself to like the new consoles I've sold them both, and accepted the fact that I'm only a PC gamer.
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I use xSplit to stream and Bandicam to film.
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I use the ElGato Game Capture HD60 Pro for speedy videos, but the streaming side is not as good (from what I hear) and I don't stream. I can go into a lot more detail about my setup if you need to know what works really well.
For higher quality videos I use a BlackMagic DeckLink 4k Extreme 12G (~$1400), which is capable of up to 2160p60. I use a lot more hardware when I make 4k videos, and my Internet connection does not support uploads at that resolution so you're not likely to see that on YouTube anytime soon. My connection does not support streaming, but if I was going to do that I would probably use the 12G and canned videos (advertisements and detail videos) to switch, mix, and render, because with enough hardware it can really reduce your work load and the time involved in making videos. And here again I could write a lot more about this setup, but unless you have thousands (literally) for this it's not going to appeal to you.
EDIT: If I had it all to do over again I might just stick with AJA and get their KONA 4. As it was I had just bought a new M3 and didn't want to lay out the coin for the KONA when I bought the BlackMagic, but the price has dropped somewhat since.
The ElGato is all the casual user needs.
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I have been working through an awful lot of videos lately. One problem the Elgato has is that the software records the video and audio separately. When it then exports the video the audio is almost never in sync with the video. This leads to many situations that are difficult and often impossible for a novice to fix. You're almost better off recording audio in a separate program.
Video quality can suffer from the H.264 codec woes on YouTube. Some but not all video games can benefit from the DSR option that Nvidia offers. I o not know if AMD Radeon has something similar. With H.264 compression you may see artifacts and pixelated fields that do not exist in the original video. DSR helps to eliminate that, but the solution probably will not come about until H.265 and YouTube are both in harmony. I just posted a round of golf in The Golf Club where I recorded at 4k (DSR) and Elgato did a wonderful job with the video (audio a different story). Playback of this video on a UHD display is far better than most 1080p channels. While it isn't possible to do this in all games I think it will become my standard way of recording videos where I can get away with it.
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I use bandicam in AH2, but I get a codec error in Beta. No response to the possible problem when I posted it.
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I use bandicam in AH2, but I get a codec error in Beta. No response to the possible problem when I posted it.
Did you install the K-Lite Mega codec pack?
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Did you install the K-Lite Mega codec pack?
Wuz zat? No I haven't. What is this thing you speak of?
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K-Lite is a large collection of codecs and the Mega version even has a few viewers that allow media to play on Windows that won't otherwise.
I don't know the codec that bandicam uses in particular. I do know that if you are using Quicktime on a Windows platform that you should uninstall that.
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K-Lite is a large collection of codecs and the Mega version even has a few viewers that allow media to play on Windows that won't otherwise.
I don't know the codec that bandicam uses in particular. I do know that if you are using Quicktime on a Windows platform that you should uninstall that.
Thanks, I will look into that.
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I use the full version of BandiCam in both AHII and AHIII with good results: no problems so far.
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Unless you have two computers, you don't want or need a capture card. Use Open Broadcasting Software instead. Check out this thread to help you set it up: https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/how-to-make-high-quality-local-recordings.12600
Edit: By the way, if you do have a second computer to use for the capture and encoding, and your resolution/framerate is 1080p60 (or less), don't buy some super-expensive capture card, get this off ebay instead: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391442229643 .
You'll need a free PCIe 4x slot (or longer) and you'll need to route the audio separately, but that capture card beats the crap out of the gamer-marketed capture cards and from ebay its only $100 bucks shipped in the US. A bunch of people on the OBS forums have been getting them (thread: https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/unsupported-datapath-vision-capture.12503 ).
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Isn't OBS limited to 30fps? It's kind of the whole point of using a capture card at all, AND a second system.
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Isn't OBS limited to 30fps? It's kind of the whole point of using a capture card at all, AND a second system.
Heck no, I capture at 60fps using OBS all the time. It can do 120fps if you want, which requires you to... check a box in the advanced settings: https://jp9000.github.io/OBS/settings/advancedsettings.html
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Yeah, I know better than to think for even one second that it works.
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Yeah, I know better than to think for even one second that it works.
What are you even going on about? OBS works, capturing at over 30fps with OBS works. And its the best solution by far anyone has posted in this thread.
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No, it's not. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been there and done that. The best solution is to use Premiere Pro capture directly from something like the Elgato. Premiere Pro can use Blackmagic cards, AJA Kona cards, and so on. Even OBS has the ability to use capture cards, so thinking the software alone is the better solution is not realistic.
If you want smooth consistent video capture the best solution is a second computer. You should have known I already tried every possible solution before I went to that.
The second system doesn't even have to be anything special. A CPU that has onboard video, a quality sound card (a good X-Fi for instance), and a PCIe bus to support the Elgato/Kona 4/BlackMagic capture card, a hard drive, and Adobe Premiere Pro and you're in business.
OBS alone can't compare.
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No, it's not. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been there and done that. The best solution is to use Premiere Pro capture directly from something like the Elgato. Premiere Pro can use Blackmagic cards, AJA Kona cards, and so on. Even OBS has the ability to use capture cards, so thinking the software alone is the better solution is not realistic.
If you want smooth consistent video capture the best solution is a second computer. You should have known I already tried every possible solution before I went to that.
The second system doesn't even have to be anything special. A CPU that has onboard video, a quality sound card (a good X-Fi for instance), and a PCIe bus to support the Elgato/Kona 4/BlackMagic capture card, a hard drive, and Adobe Premiere Pro and you're in business.
OBS alone can't compare.
I just said I was using a capture card right here in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378910.msg5047375.html#msg5047375 Maybe you should catch up before responding with, "I know better than to think for even one second that it works."
Second point, it does work. Go ahead and challenge this one, tell me all the (1080p60) video files on my hard drive, and hundreds of thousands of other people who've been doing this since 2012, are all fake.
Third point, the best solution for everyone who is not you does not involve a $1400 capture card and premium software (sorry to burst your bubble), certainly not at 1080p60. That software doesn't add any value at all to video capturing anything that's getting uploaded to YouTube compared to OBS, which is free.
Fourth point, given equal bitrates and assuming you're not reducing your frames due to CPU usage, OBS's game capture mode is technically superior to a video capture card and a second computer due to fewer and better chroma subsampling changes, not that anyone would notice. And you seem real certain that OBS game capture mode can't create "smooth consistent video" for someone who has never used it. Why don't you try it before trashing it?
Last point, is it seriously your recommendation to the general Aces High Beta tester (or just to 8thJinx, who asked for "film capture software recommendations"), to buy a 2nd computer ($500-1000), a $1400 capture card, and $750 Premiere Pro to do "film capture" as asked about in this thread, when OBS can do it all for free?
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I just said I was using a capture card right here in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,378910.msg5047375.html#msg5047375 Maybe you should catch up before responding with, "I know better than to think for even one second that it works."
Well, my apologies for going off, then. However, I had read that post before you edited it. Assuming otherwise is on you.
I tried this just as you outlined, and OBS drops frames, introduces tearing into the video, and has other issues. That is exactly why I started sinking money into other methods. Further, your disingenuous attitude concerning money is ridiculous, yet noted. You can go to any good pawn shop or Salvation Army and find used systems that can do this today. I have seen computers are our local thrift store for just $50 that could be dressed for the ball without spending too much money. The Elgato is just $200 beyond that.
And again, OBS cannot do it all. That's just wrong.
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Post your OBS log file, you probably set it up wrong. Use Pastebin to avoid cluttering up the thread. One thing that OBS Classic can't do is capture SLI, try OBS Studio for that, I believe it has multi-GPU compatibility now, but never used it myself as I don't run SLI.
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I've gone a different route now, so OBS is no longer installed. That was more than a year ago anyway.
BTW, with the Adobe Creative Cloud you can use Premiere Pro for just $20/mo., which is really affordable. I bought the CS6 Master Creation Suite years ago, but I am also a CC subscriber and have all of the Adobe products for just $50/mo. If anyone gets serious about content creation that's the way to go. I'm already knee deep in an upcoming animation series for YouTube. A lot more time and effort than I ever thought of goes into these things.
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Boilerdown, a while ago I remember you saying somewhere after heavily critiquing my AcesHigh films that you were going to make some of your own, where are they posted, I'd like to see them.
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Boilerdown, a while ago I remember you saying somewhere after heavily critiquing my AcesHigh films that you were going to make some of your own, where are they posted, I'd like to see them.
I never did it. The past few years I've mainly been playing Planetside 2, you can see some of those videos on my Twitch and YouTube. The AH graphical revamp has renewed my interest however, and I've never quit the forums. Also, I pay my sub every month lest this game perish from this earth, that would be just as tragic as the loss of any historic aircraft imo.
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See Rule #4
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Now there is a surprise.
Doesn't take much to sense sarcasm here. Do you think my critiques of your videos were invalid somehow?
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@Dolby: Don't get banned, man.
@BoilerDown: No, you know very well that was a challenge. :D
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you know very well that was a challenge. :D
:aok I'm glad someone around here gets it.
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Dolby knock this crap off you just admitted to trolling, your one inch from saying good bye.
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*snip* post moved to PM