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General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: 1stpar3 on April 21, 2016, 01:55:55 AM
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Well worried may be an overstatement, but definitely bother some. I hate hearing guys saying that ah3 WILL FORCE THEM OFF THE GAME! This game is worse than crack, so hope the addiction will keep them here! What is a minimum frame per second and still have a lot of graphics running? I have no problem with FPS bellow 29. So maybe information about fps and the beta for AH3? I know higher fps is the goal but maybe reassurance of unhindered graphics settings still acceptable. I am hoping these comments are due to the fact that most don't like change. I know for a fact that I am glad I didn't know about this game when I was working and internet was pay per minute! That would have been bad, lol Job loss and child neglect aren't good! While I have no idea as to how to get folk to at least try with low PFS and lower then 59FPS isn't a hindrance, I am hopeful they will come around. I know there were a lot of posts screaming for graphics upgrades and now that it is happening' same folk whine about the less than 59 FPS.So hoping they are just change challenged!
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same thing happen when aces high became aces high 2 people moan no matter what.But i bet the 1st thing people do when getting a new is check to see AH3 will run on new rig
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This is a constant consideration of all new games. It's the which came first, the chicken or the egg thing. Does hardware improvement drive software, or vice versa? If one wants games to improve, hardware must improve also. When I buy computer hardware, a primary concern is always "how long will this piece of hardware continue to be useful?" Four or five year old hardware is really reaching the end of it's useful life, in regards to new software, and people should understand that, at some point, upgrading is not optional, but mandatory.
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Considering that the GTX 750Ti is only about $119, requires very little power and no power connection at all, anyone with these concerns has not committed to researching what it would take to get ready for the new version.
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As for Copprhed's concern about "how long...", based on history I'd say if the hardware is good enough to run AH3 when it gets its initial launch, it will continue being useful until AH4.
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This is a constant consideration of all new games. It's the which came first, the chicken or the egg thing. Does hardware improvement drive software, or vice versa? If one wants games to improve, hardware must improve also. When I buy computer hardware, a primary concern is always "how long will this piece of hardware continue to be useful?" Four or five year old hardware is really reaching the end of it's useful life, in regards to new software, and people should understand that, at some point, upgrading is not optional, but mandatory.
My AH2 gear is from 2007. A new GTX970 and some GB of RAM which I added recently get me easy another 3 to 5 years at steady 60 fps with recording AH film and shadowplay running.
And I do play other games as well with full grafix.
To be honest, I fear that the most of the oldtimers end up downgrading grafix in order to achieve strategic or view enhancements. Like gv cracks do these days, lower your grafix and have less trees hence see enemy earlier. I just hope all the effort put into this will not be in vane. The grafix are my secondary concern, gameplay innovation has my priority.
Just my 2 cents....
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I don't see any online complaining about AH2 graphics, so I suspect most current players would be happy with an "AH2 switch" that would provide an AH2 level of graphics and frame rate in AH3 with the player's current hardware. It seems that the Beta graphic settings get close to this. The closer it gets, the less pain there will be when AH3 goes live.
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People will leave them game for sure who are using a PC with hardware dating back to 2009 or earlier. When new games come out, or they are upgraded, you just have to ask one question. "Is it worth it to me to make a investment to play this game I love, and are there any other games that you would play that would warrant a PC upgrade?" For me the answer was YES and YES. I upgraded to a GTX 970 4g video card, and last year I upgraded my CPU and Memory. I play other games such as Rainbow Six Seige, ARMA 3, NBA 2016, and in all games I get 60+ FPS. My investment to play these games for a few years was $500.00.
For those that are whining of leaving angry, do you ever spend money on other hobbies? If you do not have the money, you can always look on craigslist to get very good hardware for your PC that may be used by cost you a lot less.
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HamrDown
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People will leave them game for sure who are using a PC with hardware dating back to 2009 or earlier. ---
I'm curious about where you took that date. You are probably aware that HiTech is developing AH3 with a computer whose motherboard chipset dates from 2007, processor from early 2008 and video card from 2012, neither of which have been the flagships of their era? I don't believe he's going to leave...
I share your opinion about craigslist and such, there's a lot of those who could beef up their current computer to that level by making a nominal investment.
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It's the which came first, the chicken or the egg thing.
The Egg, reptile were laying eggs millions of years before the chicken :neener:
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I'm curious about where you took that date. Are you aware that HiTech is developing AH3 with a computer whose motherboard chipset dates from 2007, processor from early 2008 and video card from 2012, neither of which have been the flagships of their era? I don't believe he's going to leave...
With a number set of 2007-2012, 2009 seems like a decent median.
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Ahh, arithmetics. Of course. Should have thought of that.
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Some players, it is the time investment in the download of a 1.xx Gbyte file that is keeping them from testing their current PC configuration in the beta.
If the beta is about to be ported to DX11, that is the swan song for any XP users still playing AH2.xx. It also means a new minimum graphics card requirement. I suspect all together the minimum PC will look something like the following.
CPU - Core Duo or equivalent.
RAM - 8G
GPU - Geforce 500 series or AMD 5000 series.
Both graphics card series support DX11 but, the cards from those series may still have players considering other options if the FPS is below 40-50.
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lots of players online repeating rumors that 1/2 their squad's computer wont be able to play ah3. all bs.
semp
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Some players, it is the time investment in the download of a 1.xx Gbyte file that is keeping them from testing their current PC configuration in the beta.
If the beta is about to be ported to DX11, that is the swan song for any XP users still playing AH2.xx. It also means a new minimum graphics card requirement. I suspect all together the minimum PC will look something like the following.
CPU - Core Duo or equivalent.
RAM - 8G
GPU - Geforce 500 series or AMD 5000 series.
Both graphics card series support DX11 but, the cards from those series may still have players considering other options if the FPS is below 40-50.
As for the GPU, preferably Geforce #50 or higher from 500 series and up, or Radeon HD #750 or higher from 5000 series and up. The three digit Radeon cards are yet another issue.
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Which came first, the reptile or the egg ?
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It's mainly those who using older laptops that are in need for more expensive upgrades.
Older laptop's do not have the Gpu's to handle more graphics.
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If the beta is about to be ported to DX11, that is the swan song for any XP users still playing AH2.xx. It also means a new minimum graphics card requirement. I suspect all together the minimum PC will look something like the following.
MS stopped supporting XP 2 years ago. It's a 14 year old O/S. It is time to let it go and move on.
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Let not your hearts be troubled.....
as several have stated or referenced..... through the years we've had a few people say their computer won't work or other such things.... but, AH continues to live and grow. AH, in my opinion (as unimportant to many that will be) and as humble as that will be, there is no other combat game on the internet even approaching what AH gives us. You may say "such and such has better graphics" or "such and such has better short term missions" or blah. blah blah blah.
Over-all, I have yet to see ANY multi player game on the internet approach the level and (sorry I'm making up a word here) interactivity that AH gives you. We have great graphics, we have great play, we have great squad involvement, we have great participation, we have great long term mission and self achievement (ok, I'll cough on that one) potential......
As an all around multi player combat game, you can't beat Aces High yet!
No, I'm not receiving anything for this commentary, although it wouldn't hurt an old man like me...
Do not be worried.... there is no reason to be worried...
:rock
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MS stopped supporting XP 2 years ago. It's a 14 year old O/S. It is time to let it go and move on.
Getting rid of Win98 raised similar discussion, but because it was a product of the previous millennium it was somewhat easier to accept.
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It's mainly those who using older laptops that are in need for more expensive upgrades.
Older laptop's do not have the Gpu's to handle more graphics.
This is my problem exactly. Not a question of a new graphics card but a whole new computer, monitor, keyboard, the lot. I'm finishing my degree I won't have the budget for that until next summer at least. I wouldn't campaign for AHIII not to go forward of course, I think it looks great and hope it will bring the number of players up. It's just in my case as an example that's why I'll be forced to leave.
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Some players, it is the time investment in the download of a 1.xx Gbyte file that is keeping them from testing their current PC configuration in the beta.
If the beta is about to be ported to DX11, that is the swan song for any XP users still playing AH2.xx. It also means a new minimum graphics card requirement. I suspect all together the minimum PC will look something like the following.
CPU - Core Duo or equivalent.
RAM - 8G
GPU - Geforce 500 series or AMD 5000 series.
Both graphics card series support DX11 but, the cards from those series may still have players considering other options if the FPS is below 40-50.
This may work better without my question in the quote field.
How do we determine if our present cards support DX11? I have a Radeon HD 6950 which cannot handle AH3 at default settings (FPS 25-35) but does OK if I dial the settings back. Will DX 11 force me to go shopping?
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If you go to the AMD site for that card it specifies that it provides full DX 11 support.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/6000/6950#
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How do we determine if our present cards support DX11? I have a Radeon HD 6950 which cannot handle AH3 at default settings (FPS 25-35) but does OK if I dial the settings back. Will DX 11 force me to go shopping?
As Chalenge said. Or you can do a google search for Radeon HD 6950, choose the result that says http://amd.com in the address line which will take you to the AMD site of your card. Choose the Specs tab. Under the "Graphics" title you'll find the answer which reads "Full DirectX® 11 support".
For Nvidia GeForce users, google for your card name (like gtx 660), choose the site that says http://geforce.com, select features and you should find the answer.
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If you want to play and have an old system you'll upgrade. If not... You won't.
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If you want to play and have an old system you'll upgrade. If not... You won't.
The reality is there are some who can't afford an upgrade. I can but I know several cannot.
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If you go to the AMD site for that card it specifies that it provides full DX 11 support.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/6000/6950#
Thanks.It does say " Full support for DirectX® 11 and scalable geometry processing". Need to confess I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't search before asking but I was thinking DX11 was something new and wouldn't be mentioned in the specs for an old card.
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I believe the "latest and greatest" is DX 12, which is broken ironically.
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I'm curious about where you took that date. You are probably aware that HiTech is developing AH3 with a computer whose motherboard chipset dates from 2007, processor from early 2008 and video card from 2012, neither of which have been the flagships of their era? I don't believe he's going to leave...
I share your opinion about craigslist and such, there's a lot of those who could beef up their current computer to that level by making a nominal investment.
I picked that year because it was the year I upgraded my PC, then I did again in 2013 and this year I upgraded the Video Card.
As games are developed utilizing modern day graphics engines, your PC needs to have best graphics rendering. AH2 was reliant on CPU and less on GPU, and in AH3, it is more reliant on GPU than CPU.
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HamrDown
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I have a Dell computer that is over a year old and cost about $500 new (an i5-2400 CPU) and a GeForce GTX 750 Ti (which is currently about a $130 graphics card).
That is *not* a high-end system. It is a low-end system.
Yet I get about 60 fps in the game with default settings when I'm up in the air shooting at the circling drones.
I get less than 60 fps flying low over a town.
However, if I set the environment slider to zero, I'm at about 60 fps everywhere.
If my system gets this sort of performance, I would think that anything other than a really old clunker will do just fine.
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I love the game but here in UK I'll be lucky if there arte ever more than 3 people playing the damn thing. Why is nobody playing? I actually have the same problem in AHII. Axis Vs Allies is where I want to play but there's never anyone there.
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lots of players online repeating rumors that 1/2 their squad's computer wont be able to play ah3. all bs.
semp
Exactly!! Its a bit better worded but that's what I was getting at. I have great game play in the BETA. Looking for information about not getting perfect FPS. It still works great for me with less than 59 FPS. I have even heard the "it will melt my card" or it gets hot. This is a graphics card driven engine,well if I am understanding it correctly. We need to let it be known that close really is pretty dang good!
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I love the game but here in UK I'll be lucky if there arte ever more than 3 people playing the damn thing. Why is nobody playing? I actually have the same problem in AHII. Axis Vs Allies is where I want to play but there's never anyone there.
Off peak hours are very quiet this year.
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Every aspect of Aces High 3 just eats the competition whole. AH3 really is the better game. Every aspect has improved and there are new forms of gameplay than ever before. Will the numbers rebuild? I don't know, but I suspect it is not the game that has caused numbers to decline. The world economy sucks right now, so be happy with what we have and work on making things better. All you can do.
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And I play in AH which is important to the success of AH
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I have a Dell computer that is over a year old and cost about $500 new (an i5-2400 CPU) and a GeForce GTX 750 Ti (which is currently about a $130 graphics card).
That is *not* a high-end system. It is a low-end system.
No, it's not a low end system. It's a serious midrange gamer.
Computers like this shouldn't carry the attribute "gamer" not to mention "gamer ultra": http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362). People who don't know about computers will buy them believing they could play games like AH3 and then they whine in disappointment because of their one digit frame rates.
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Computers like this shouldn't carry the attribute "gamer" not to mention "gamer ultra": http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362).
:bhead
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I love the game but here in UK I'll be lucky if there arte ever more than 3 people playing the damn thing. Why is nobody playing? I actually have the same problem in AHII. Axis Vs Allies is where I want to play but there's never anyone there.
At relatively low player numbers overall, players tend to congregate even more in the arena where it is most likely to find other players. The old "when nobody is there, nobody goes there" problem.
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I have a Dell computer that is over a year old and cost about $500 new (an i5-2400 CPU) and a GeForce GTX 750 Ti (which is currently about a $130 graphics card).
That is *not* a high-end system. It is a low-end system.
With my graphics card (D 6850) having died recently, I'm actually trying to *upgrade* to something like a 750 TI. And I still have an I3 2120. *This* is more like being a low end system these days (with actually quite a number of gamers having still worse setups).
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With my graphics card (D 6850) having died recently, I'm actually trying to *upgrade* to something like a 750 TI. And I still have an I3 2120. *This* is more like being a low end system these days (with actually quite a number of gamers having still worse setups).
Actually, I was wrong -- the current price of a 750 Ti card is $105 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500349&cm_re=750_ti-_-14-500-349-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500349&cm_re=750_ti-_-14-500-349-_-Product) ). So my whole system right now is about $500, graphics card included.
For $105, my guess is that your system will do fine on AH3.
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I second that. The i3-2120 is better than my E8500 and I don't plan upgrading. Also the 750 Ti is better than my HD 6970 so you should have no major issues playing AH3 with that combination. A good buy for €106 or so (http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1263523oE2oJ0.html?param.resultlist.sortKey=minPrice).
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Wanna talk low end...
Athlon II @ 1.8 Ghz w/ 1GB system RAM and a 1GB Raedon GPU. Still getting 60fps in AHII. Less than 10 in AHIII.
I got my $$ worth so I'm due an upgrade. It's all good.
My new rig ships today :banana: :airplane::banana: :airplane: :banana: