General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rondar on April 21, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
Title: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 21, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
I need to lose some weight, 10 to 20 lbs. I wondered if anyone in here would want to lose some weight along with me, sort of a challenge. It helps to have a little moral support and be with others in the same goal.
So if there is any interest, post, and somehow we can get started. If no one is in, I will do it myself, just wanted a little help from my friends in here. And you are all friends :uhoh
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: jimbo71 on April 21, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Now we know why the wife sez no twerkin! :old:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 21, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
I am in. i can afford to lose at least 20 lbs. what is the time frame?
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: shotgunneeley on April 21, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Same. I'm 6'1" and I need to drop from 210 to 190lbs. I'm focusing on cardio and abs in my workout, I really need good circulation exercise as I stay cooped up behind a computer most days and am susceptible to vascular ulcers on my ankles. Lack of movement and a love for all things food can quickly spell trouble for me.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 21, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
Nice. Just lost 45 over an 8 month span. If you were/are ex Mil or an athlete, your body WILL remember. You won't believe it but it does.
Two suggestions. 1. Run/walk 30 minutes a day. That got me to 4 mikes a day in 32-35 minutes.
2. Download MyFitnesspal app and let it set your caloric loads based on your goals. If you have a smart phone or another step tracker, it will credit caloric burn so the more you walk, the more you can eat, hahaha and it's accurate as hell.
Gotta do #1 so your basil metabolic rate increases. It's all about the calories. If you aren't burning them, you're WEARING them.
Good luck gents... :banana:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Hungry on April 21, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
I sit and stare at a pc all day long for a living (Sales Analyst) but luckily weight has never been an issue. My issue was/is muscle tone. What I started doing a couple months back is simply 120 - 150 pushups a day 30 at a time. What an amazing difference it makes. (62 yrs. old and rolling downhill fast lol)
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on April 21, 2016, 03:52:15 PM
I'd like to lose 50.. so 20 would be a good start..
Count me in!!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Patches1 on April 21, 2016, 06:15:45 PM
I'm a fat 65 year old at 312 pounds and am wanting to lose 100 pounds. I have two gorgeous male chocolate labs, and I'll bet I can lose more weight over time than most of you youngsters will with intensive training in the Gyms.
Oh! You Gym guys have such low body fat that this is not really a fair contest, is it? Well, yes it is, and I'll give you guys the head start.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 21, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
I haven't really thought of a time frame yet. But a couple place online says 20 lbs is reasonable in 3 months. Not sure how to go about starting and ending with a group. But I am going to start tomorrow, April 22, and my goal is 20 lbs in 3 months.
Don't think I will post starting and ending weight, but maybe a weekly update of how many pounds I may have shed :)
If you all have any ideas, it would be great to hear them.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: gpwurzel on April 21, 2016, 07:11:00 PM
Got diagnosed as diabetic - had to change my diet so cut out carbs (no bread, pasta, rice, or potatoes). Most carbs I eat are sweet potatoes, a bit of breaded fried chicken - lots of green veggies, salads etc.
So far, lost 95 pounds in weight - now weigh just over 180.
For exercise, I walk the dogs, or jump on an exercise bike - so far so good.
Wurz
Not a great diet, but beats the possible alternatives!!!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: BaldEagl on April 21, 2016, 08:05:58 PM
I lost a little over 20 lbs in three months with no exercise (170 to 147). I got cancer and couldn't eat going through treatment. I generally wouldn't recommend this path but I've been able to keep it off by simply watching my diet.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: gpwurzel on April 21, 2016, 08:29:49 PM
Crap Bald, sorry to hear, you ok now?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: BaldEagl on April 21, 2016, 10:15:39 PM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on April 21, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
I'm a bit ahead of some of you, I just lost 35lbs in less than 3 weeks. Another 35 and I will be at my ideal weight.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Biggamer on April 21, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
you wanna drop weight fast get your self a good juicer and juice for atleast 5 days ,the juice consist of 1 cucumber half a lemmon 2 slivers of ginger 1 green apple 1 pair 6 leafs of kale and a hand full of spinich and 3 stalks of cellery , in the mornings add some pineapple you drink that stuff for 5 days you will feel amazing and you will never sleep better in your life then when juicing, after that all plant based foods NO SALT NO SUGAR NO OIL. and you will be very happy , i started on the 1st of this month im down 23 pounds already i got a hell of a ways to go yet though
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Biggamer on April 21, 2016, 11:46:08 PM
when i juiced for 5 days 1st day lost 2 pounds 2nd day 5 pounds 3rd 2 pounds 4th 1 pound 5th 2 pounds
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
If you like meat, there is a way for most people to lose weight without much effort. Go on a low-carb diet. One guy at work did it, then two of us, then three, then my wife and Mom and Dad tried it. Then another friend tried it. It worked for all of us. Eat less than 10% of your calories in carbs (about 4 calories per 1 gram of carbs), and eat as much meat is you want (and butter and cheese, no problem).
I wanted to lose about 5 lbs, but never got anywhere with trying to eat fewer calories. All that resulted in was being hungry all the time, and I didn't lose much weight. Went on a low-carb diet, and in about 4-6 weeks, lost 10 lbs and have with very little effort on my part kept it off for about a year or more now. I now weigh about what I did in high school.
If you want to read why this works and why most of what the US thinks it knows about nutrition is bogus, read "The Big Fat Surprise," by Teicholz. A fascinating book. Or one of the books by Gary Taubes.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 22, 2016, 02:08:22 AM
juicing is expensive. more like you starve to death. by the second day you will be juicing a ham.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: nrshida on April 22, 2016, 02:14:27 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl that's not a bad idea! Roast chicken smoothy, oh yeah.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on April 22, 2016, 02:43:22 AM
Losing weight is simple arithmetic. You need to create a calorie deficit one way or another. Either by increasing physical activity or by reducing intake, or both. Whenever I need to lose a few kilos I prefer a low fat, low carb, high protein diet (PSMF) in combination with weight lifting. Setting realistic goals is also important. Body fat has a lot of energy and even if you create a rather extreme 1000 kcal daily deficit you'll only lose about 3 kilos/6 pounds per month.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 22, 2016, 02:53:56 AM
Eat less. It takes more activity to gain weight than it does to lose it. If you fast just one day a week all of your health risk factors cardiac, osteo, diabetes, cancer and possibly even dementia are reduced significantly. Unless you already have diabetes. And you can still eat like an american the rest of the week.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 22, 2016, 03:00:15 AM
Look up 'eat fast live longer' and prepare to have your mind blown!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: zack1234 on April 22, 2016, 03:08:33 AM
Can this thread be locked?
It has no place in a flight combat sim.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: nrshida on April 22, 2016, 03:12:02 AM
Nice. Just lost 45 over an 8 month span. If you were/are ex Mil or an athlete, your body WILL remember. You won't believe it but it does.
Two suggestions. 1. Run/walk 30 minutes a day. That got me to 4 mikes a day in 32-35 minutes.
2. Download MyFitnesspal app and let it set your caloric loads based on your goals. If you have a smart phone or another step tracker, it will credit caloric burn so the more you walk, the more you can eat, hahaha and it's accurate as hell.
Gotta do #1 so your basil metabolic rate increases. It's all about the calories. If you aren't burning them, you're WEARING them.
Good luck gents... :banana:
Simple advice, but yet the best advice. :aok
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 22, 2016, 11:40:24 AM
Because you're a lazy lot I'll provide the link for you.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on April 22, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
I'm up to 37 lbs lost, but I cheat. I have Crohn's disease and everything comes off incredibly easy, it is just stopping at my ideal weight that is the challenge.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 12:29:35 PM
Losing weight is simple arithmetic. You need to create a calorie deficit one way or another. Either by increasing physical activity or by reducing intake, or both.
I recommend reading "The Big Fat Surprise," by Teicholz and seeing if you still think that. It's a very interesting book, so it's not even drudgery or work to read it.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
I recommend reading "The Big Fat Surprise," by Teicholz and seeing if you still think that. It's a very interesting book, so it's not even drudgery or work to read it.
I wasn't talking about healthy dieting. I was talking about losing weight. And no matter how you do it losing weight is basically starving your body and that is never healthy as it puts a strain on your system, and releases toxins from burning fat. With PSMF you'll lose weight relatively fast with ketosis, but with minimal loss of lean body mass.
It is not a diet to live by for long periods of time. We're taking weeks, or months at most. To prevent regaining weight after you've reached your desired weight, you'll have to find another more balanced diet that you can live with. If you have or suspect you may have health issues consult you doctor before going on a PSMF diet.
This kind of diet is also used by body builders who wants to get that extra percentage of fat gone before competitions, and actors needing to lose weight rapidly for a part.
Well . . . if you shed an unneeded 100 lbs, you can take 100 lbs more cannon rounds and get the same turning performance out of your plane.
There's that box where you are supposed to input your weight so that the game calculates pilot weight in the game.
That, sir, should be in the Wishlist at the very top! "Aces High, the healthy flying simulator game! Get more ammo by being fit! The thin for the win!" Of course that should be tied to the Body Mass Index to prevent anorexia: Falling too much below your BMI you'd have to take extra weight to balance the plane... I've seen more foolish weight watching ideas go viral. HiTech, if you add this idea into the game and it goes viral, I want my share!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Biggamer on April 22, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
actually you dont starve juicing you feel much fuller than eating its pure nutrition but you dont start to feel hungry you instantly feel starved drink some juice instantly you feel full i drink about 16-20 oz at a time. i thought is was gonna be so hard to give up the SAD diet "standard american diet" i never ate veggies mostly all meat and dairy and thats why im fat , its a life style change for me and so far its not as bad as i thought the juicing resets your taste buds and you no longer crave unhealthy things like before or atleast i dont everyone is different
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 05:02:29 PM
I wasn't talking about healthy dieting. I was talking about losing weight.
I'm talking about both.
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And no matter how you do it ...
Not according to the research material (which is voluminous) presented in "The Big Fat Surprise".
To boil it down to just the briefest of summaries, eating a diet high in meat, saturated fat, butter, cheese, and non-starchy vegetables and low in carbs, causes people to lose weight, keep it off, and is plenty healthy for long-term use. I would also say that from my own experience and that of five people I know who eat a low-carb diet.
I think that you'd like the book. It is quite interesting to read and very solidly shows how what most people think they know about nutrition is based largely on misrepresented research and faulty conclusions.
To me, a low-carb diet is a magical, effortless way to lose weight and keep it off, all while eating as much as I want and not being hungry all the time.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on April 22, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
That's fine, it's basically the Atkins diet where ketosis burns fat. However if you need to lose a lot of weight in a (relatively) short time you need something like PSMF.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
PSMF is low carb + low fat. You're only taking protein to avoid muscle loss. But like I said it's not a diet to live by, more of a crash cure for obesity or a way to get those final % off to get ripped. Personally I'm too fond of Italian food to go on a low carb diet permanently. Also the acetone breath is a minus...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 22, 2016, 10:58:10 PM
Personally I'm too fond of Italian food to go on a low carb diet permanently.
I hear you. I like pasta as well, but I still eat it here and there, just not mountains of it like I used to.
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Also the acetone breath is a minus...
I believe that part is a mostly misinformation (like the falsehood that saturated fats cause high cholesterol, which is true for rabbits but not for humans). I haven't noticed smelly breath from any of the people I know who are on low-carb diets. I have noticed it for smokers, and some vegetarians who tend to eat more garlic, onions, etc. Then there is the other smelliness created by a diet that includes a lot of legumes. :uhoh
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 23, 2016, 02:57:22 AM
I assume none of you watched the video.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: zack1234 on April 23, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
Fat is the new thin :old:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 23, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
I believe that part is a mostly misinformation (like the falsehood that saturated fats cause high cholesterol, which is true for rabbits but not for humans). I haven't noticed smelly breath from any of the people I know who are on low-carb diets. I have noticed it for smokers, and some vegetarians who tend to eat more garlic, onions, etc. Then there is the other smelliness created by a diet that includes a lot of legumes. :uhoh
If your breath does not smell of acetone you're not in ketosis, not very deep in ketosis anyway. Anyone who's burning fat regardless of diet may get a breath that smells of acetone because the metabolic process of getting energy out of fat includes the breakdown of acetoacetic acid into acetone and carbon dioxide which is exhaled through the lungs. However, if it's not a problem then it's not a problem.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 23, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
Or it's that the smell of acetone is negligible and unnoticeable, completely overpowered by whether or not you drink coffee, what spices were on the food you ate today, what your particular microbiome is, etc.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on April 23, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
Sure, like I said if it's not a problem then it's not a problem.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on April 23, 2016, 03:03:39 PM
As a side note, there was an article in today's paper about people eating too much protein in belief it would make them more muscular. Truth is, excess protein turns into fat no matter how much you work out. Or, as the old wisdom says, even oat porridge is poisonous if you eat it by the bucket.
Eat healthy, eat often enough, eat sensible portions, consume your calories. Feel yourself, know when you're hungry, know when you're thirsty. Learn to listen to what your body really wants to say.
Have fun even with your diet, stress is bad for your digestion!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: zack1234 on April 23, 2016, 03:15:58 PM
I had duck in mushroom yesterday I had sweet and sour king prawn today
Both with fried rice
And Pepsi
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 23, 2016, 04:47:12 PM
As a side note, there was an article in today's paper about people eating too much protein in belief it would make them more muscular. Truth is, excess protein turns into fat no matter how much you work out. Or, as the old wisdom says, even oat porridge is poisonous if you eat it by the bucket.
Eat healthy, eat often enough, eat sensible portions, consume your calories. Feel yourself, know when you're hungry, know when you're thirsty. Learn to listen to what your body really wants to say.
Have fun even with your diet, stress is bad for your digestion!
The problem is because people have been conditioned to eat two or even three meals a day, we've developed a psychosomatic hunger response if we haven't eaten in 12 hours. Fat, especially your own body fat is extremely nutritious. If you're fat enough you can survive more than a year without food, people have done it. I know that's kind of discouraging if you're trying to lose weight. People have been trained to believe that fatty foods like say bacon are less nutritious than rice cakes, when the truth is the opposite. What's going to keep you alive longer on a desert island? A bag of salted pork or a bag of rice cakes? Going without food for a couple days without eating becomes easier once your brain has become retrained. And something important happens to your body after going 24 hours without food. Without getting too technical it switches from growth mode to repair mode and starts consuming body fat.
It's not what you eat, or how much you eat, or how much exercise you get, it's how often you eat.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 23, 2016, 10:01:21 PM
floob that is bs that a person can go for a year without eating. you dont eat you dont just lose fat, you also lose muscle.
a bag of salted pork or bag of rice cakes is irrelevant. what you need to know is how you going to supplement it. without water you will die before you starve.
and this is the most ridiculous statement i ever heard.
"It's not what you eat, or how much you eat, or how much exercise you get, it's how often you eat."
it actually contradicts itself. you need a balance between your intake and your outtake. if you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight.
btw I eat once a day. I dont eat snakes or candy or ice cream or any sugary stuff. I am still at 210 on a 5'7 frame. that is overweight. cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly. the problem is my calorie intake is equal. but I am getting there. i used to weight 265.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 23, 2016, 11:14:53 PM
cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly. the problem is my calorie intake is equal. but I am getting there. i used to weight 265.
semp
Semp, try eating a diet that is low in carbs for a while. Eat as much meat, cheese, butter, and non-starchy vegetables as you are hungry for. Don't eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, beans, fruits, fruit juice, or sugar. Make sure you eat enough salt and drink enough on this diet at the start (need more water and salt on this diet).
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 23, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
I eat a hamburger or a burrito and a diet coke every day.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 23, 2016, 11:40:06 PM
I eat a hamburger or a burrito and a diet coke every day.
semp
Burritos and hamburgers aren't low carb. Even if the burrito doesn't have rice or beans in it, it has a lot of tortilla; and a hamburger has the bun. Also, sauces can have sugar in them -- depends. Ketchup isn't low carb as it has a lot of sugar. Sauce on a burrito might have a lot of sugar in it. You'd have to look at a nutrition label and see how many grams of carbs in total it has in it. At the beginning of a low-carb diet, you eat *very* low carbs, like a slice of bread worth per day only.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 23, 2016, 11:50:44 PM
no ketchup no fries. no cheese and no hot sauce. i prefer jalapenos. raw.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 24, 2016, 12:04:10 AM
btw I eat once a day. I dont eat snakes or candy or ice cream or any sugary stuff. I am still at 210 on a 5'7 frame. that is overweight. cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly. the problem is my calorie intake is equal. but I am getting there. i used to weight 265.
That might actually be the issue of you not losing weight. Some studies say that the human body adapts to the amount of calories available, consuming less when you're on a diet. For proof think about the Nazi German concentration camps, the survivors must have had their inner flame burning very low! They also say that five smaller meals a day would be the way to get your body consuming energy instead of saving it.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 24, 2016, 04:27:52 AM
floob that is bs that a person can go for a year without eating. you dont eat you dont just lose fat, you also lose muscle.
a bag of salted pork or bag of rice cakes is irrelevant. what you need to know is how you going to supplement it. without water you will die before you starve.
and this is the most ridiculous statement i ever heard.
"It's not what you eat, or how much you eat, or how much exercise you get, it's how often you eat."
it actually contradicts itself. you need a balance between your intake and your outtake. if you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight.
btw I eat once a day. I dont eat snakes or candy or ice cream or any sugary stuff. I am still at 210 on a 5'7 frame. that is overweight. cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly. the problem is my calorie intake is equal. but I am getting there. i used to weight 265.
semp
Poor semp. This is what happens when you don't watch the videos I link people. Don't be a Semp.
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A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.
no ketchup no fries. no cheese and no hot sauce. i prefer jalapenos. raw.
semp
You're saying you only eat a hamburger OR burrito every day AND you exercise and you aren't losing weight?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: NatCigg on April 24, 2016, 09:21:02 AM
ever see anybody not eat and still hold weight? :headscratch:
i doubt that.
I loose weight when my intake is less than energy burn.
I would think a grown man could live well to lose weight if he ate a handfull of peanuts and a roll of bread every day. Although sitting at a desk all day could be compared to being in a concentration camp. Watch out for the stairs! :old:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: BaldEagl on April 24, 2016, 09:49:07 AM
When I was going through chemo and radiation I lived on 2 scrambled eggs, 2 bottles of Ensure and a half s can of chicken noodle soup every day for 2-3 months. Those were the only things I could swallow that actually tasted ok. As I said, I lost about 23 lbs. but I never felt hungry.
Now that I can eat again I start nearly every morning with two eggs (nothing else except on the weekends), by noonish I have slice of pizza, a sandwich or a hamburger or something (no fries, chips, etc.), mid afternoon I'll have a bagel or a muffin or something else as a pick-me-up and late in the afternoon I'll have a high protein snack (power bar, trail mix, nuts, jerky, etc.) then I go home and have a couple of beers before bedtime. I've been able to totally maintain my new lower weight. I eat more on weekends and still have all my favorites (donuts, pizza, pasta, etc.) in moderation. My weight can swing up to 2 lbs/day depending on what/how I eat (I weigh myself daily now).
IMO the number of times you eat and the timing of those meals has a lot to do with it. You need to eat early enough in the day to burn off the calories. Prior to treatment I'd eat a full breakfast, snack on sweets in the afternoon, eat a big meal at night, pound alcohol then snack right before bedtime. I gained weight. I was watching the morning news one day. Nora O'Donnell said something that I think makes sense; Eat like a king in the morning, a prince in the afternoon and a pauper at night.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: NatCigg on April 24, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
I think he said. "I drink enough beer to fatten a tiger"
actually I only drink when I play ah. which is a couple of days every other week. the reason I dont lose weight is because I am trading fat for muscle. was wondering who would say that first.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 24, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
actually I only drink when I play ah. which is a couple of days every other week. the reason I dont lose weight is because I am trading fat for muscle. was wondering who would say that first.
semp
You don't "trade" fat for muscle on a burrito or hamburger a day.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 24, 2016, 11:54:53 AM
You don't "trade" fat for muscle on a burrito or hamburger a day.
well have lost inches somehow. and not just in height. think my metabolism is really low. also it doesnt help when you have torn ligaments in both feet past year.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on April 24, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
I'm liking all the discussion and options. Got a few things to try, it seems.
I suspect, like with all things human, your own genetic and psychological construct will determine which type of diet ( if any ) will work better for you.
As long as I have coffee, water,steak, and cheese, I'll be ok.
So.. gonna start with low-carb/low sugar approach... and throw in a few sets of pushups on a daily basis. I already get in a few 3mile/day walks per week, so I'm not starting completely from scratch. Maybe toss in a day of fasting every now and then. Gave up drinking at the first of the year, so that's not a problem. ( New years resolution was no alcohol until losing 50 lbs )
I found an awesome cheese place outside of Milwaukee, so with 10lbs of nicely aged yellow and white cheddar lurking in the fridge, the non-fat diet is a NO-NO. This time around, anyway.
We'll see how it goes.
Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 24, 2016, 04:01:40 PM
If caloric intake is more than those two, you don't have a chance.
Try whatever gimmicks you want but if you don't burn the calories you eat every day, you will wear them.
The metabolism of the human body isn't that simple. It is a complex control system with complicated feedback mechanisms that regulate how many of those calories are retained as fat.
For example, if you are a typical man and eat 3000 calories per day high in carbs (pasta, bread, fruit juice, Mexican food, tortilla chips, sugar, etc.), you will gain weight up to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome). Eat 3000 calories per day of nothing but meat and non-starchy vegetables, and you will lose weight down to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome). I have done this experiment myself, and so have several other people I know.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 24, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
The metabolism of the human body isn't that simple. It is a complex control system with complicated feedback mechanisms that regulate how many of those calories are retained as fat.
For example, if you are a typical man and eat 3000 calories per day high in carbs (pasta, bread, fruit juice, Mexican food, tortilla chips, sugar, etc.), you will gain weight up to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome). Eat 3000 calories per day of nothing but meat and non-starchy vegetables, and you will lose weight down to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome). I have done this experiment myself, and so have several other people I know.
Brooke
Yes, if your BMR is 3000 you're right. If it's not, you're completely wrong. Calories are units of fuel. If they aren't burned they're stored. It's that simple. You can try to cut it up into exceptions to rules with all manner of qualifiers but in the end, ask any doctor or nutritionist (which you are neither, no offense) and they'll explain it to you
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 24, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Calories are units of fuel. If they aren't burned they're stored. It's that simple.
The body isn't just a container that burns the food and that's that. There are metabolic pathways, feedback mechanisms, etc., that are affected by properties of food in addition to calories. Some food at the same calories will make you more fat than other food at the same calories. So, there is food you can eat that will make you fat, and food you can eat that won't make you fat -- for the same calories.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 24, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
changeup is right if you eat more calories than you use then you gain weight. hence my joke about juicing, if you go hungry by the second day you will be juicing a ham. I only eat once a day, i exersice 3 times a week and walk 4 to 5 miles 5 times a week. plus lift 40 lbs machines 5 days a week and 15 lbs rails 5 days a week. reason I dont lose weight is because i am getting a bit of muscle while losing some fat.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 24, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
So, just to be clear, you guys think a diet of X calories of Mexican food, twinkies, and Cokes will result in the same body weight as X calories of meat and salad?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: ghi on April 24, 2016, 09:50:44 PM
I use this "S health" app for awhile to get motivation and move my bacon :), was preinstalled in my phone with T-Mobile;
BMI , body mass index calculator; http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/adult_bmi/english_bmi_calculator/bmi_calculator.html I don't like what I saw :furious :(:bolt:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 24, 2016, 11:58:27 PM
That is pretty cool ghi. I have a smartwatch that counts steps, but if I am working on our machinery and stuff I don't wear it. I don't want to get it oily, greasy, scratched up or full of dirt or whatever. Good to know this is on the phones. I saw it when I first got my Note 5, but didn't look into it at all.
I normally have my phone in my pocket so this may still count steps without the watch. I'm going to give it a try.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on April 25, 2016, 06:41:59 AM
low carb and exercise has been very successful for me..
Running is okay for your overall health but to lose fat you'll probably want to do some weight lifting. It's important to mix it up as well. I was running 3-7 miles almost every day and it just wasn't dropping my weight.
I've used P90x and I did try "insanity" but the guy doesn't switch up the the exercises enough and you end up doing a lot of leg work without breaks which means you burn your legs out without breaks and can't max out. I do have a bow flex and some free weights and a doorframe pullup bar. All are used.
P90X is nice, doesn't require a full on gym or heavy amount of weight sets. Just a few free weights your body mostly. It's P90x3 now and it's a nice balanced set of exercises with variety. They have a low carb nutition book and a scheduled and dvd so you know what to do.
But again you can do your own, the internet has a lot of their videos on youtube and stuff.
You might want to get something like a fitbit or something to keep track of what you are doing but to watch your heart rate, it's important not to push too hard. I have a fitbit surge and it has an online app that tracks everything for me including meals, water, sleep hours all of that.
Also if you are struggling get your thyroid checked make sure it's all fully funtional and within normal parameters (might as well get chloresterol and stuff checked as well)
I'm very close to my goal (8lbs out) and it's slow going but that happens, just keep at it. :salute
So basically what Brooke said ++
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on April 25, 2016, 06:47:15 AM
Oh and you should be eating about every 3 hours, smaller meals all day long will help you keep burning calories it's hard to do but meal preparation before the week starts can help you from floundering too bad. There are companies that can help you with that too if you need it. Companies like Icon Meals. But once you know what to eat you can do it yourself.
Lack of sleep/Lack of water/eating once a day ALL will cause you to stop losing weight to your best potential.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: ghi on April 25, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
Running is okay for your overall health but to lose fat you'll probably want to do some weight lifting.
Running is ok if you are not high in overweight/obese BMI range, can be devastating for joints and bones especially after certain age without training. I would start with walking , fast walking and get a safe transition to running. Imo swimming is maybe best physical activity to save joints and bones. The Archimedes buoyant force holds body weight while the muscles are burning calories; first physical activity we naturally perform in the amniotic liquid, before we are born.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on April 25, 2016, 09:26:55 AM
yep great point, and probably lower impact than running (if you have access to machines)would be the elliptical.
swimming, especially during the hot months of summer would be easier to keep up if you have access to a pool.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 25, 2016, 10:58:45 AM
So, just to be clear, you guys think a diet of X calories of Mexican food, twinkies, and Cokes will result in the same body weight as X calories of meat and salad?
One will come off slow and one will come off faster but rest assured, they'll both come off.
Your example is unhealthy to say the least and it's not sustainable. Remember, for avg person 2000 calories/day is about normal. You can't eat very many burgers and twinkies and stay under that number. Especially with no excercise.
And the TYPE of calories only comes into play after you've exceeded your needs. Please don't believe me. Just look it up. WebMD has an unbelievably easy explanation.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 25, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
low carb and exercise has been very successful for me..
I was running 3-7 miles almost every day and it just wasn't dropping my weight.
I find this exceptionally hard to believe. I run 3.5 a day at a sub 8 pace and I burn 460 calories doing it according to my iWatch and corroborated by MyFitnessPal app.. Because of that daily regimen, My BMR jumped to 2900 cals a day from 2120 00 a day and I'm 50-54. Not exactly a high BMR age.
At the run rate you claim, 90% of the population would burn over 1000 calories a day but your BMR would sky rocket past 3000 a day. Know why? Muscle repair. Your metabolism would increase so much to repair the muscles you use to run 7 miles.
Your new BMR plus the 1000+ burn rate at a 6 mile run would mean you would be eating 5000 cals+ a day not including the cals you burn walking any distance.
Tough to believe anyone can run an average of 6 miles a day and not lose weight...even if they are doing the Army "airborne shuffle". Tough to believe bro...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 11:40:11 AM
One will come off slow and one will come off faster but rest assured, they'll both come off.
Your example is unhealthy to say the least and it's not sustainable. Remember, for avg person 2000 calories/day is about normal. You can't eat very many burgers and twinkies and stay under that number. Especially with no excercise.
And the TYPE of calories only comes into play after you've exceeded your needs. Please don't believe me. Just look it up. WebMD has an unbelievably easy explanation.
Eating meat and salad isn't unhealthy.
If all that mattered were calories, high-sugar/high-carb diets wouldn't be unhealthy either.
WebMD isn't a thorough reference on metabolic pathways.
If you want more information on some of these things, I highly recommend "The Big Fat Surprise," by Teicholz.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: TheBug on April 25, 2016, 12:04:25 PM
You can complicate things as much as you want. Most people are searching for that magic diet for success. It all comes down to diet and exercise. Burn more calories than you eat, with the goal being the calories you do take in are the most nutritious and healthy you can eat to correctly fuel your body. Exercise is great to keep your body strong and help with the pains of aging, but calorie counting is the best way to lose weight. Try the Myfitnesspal app to count calories for two weeks if you have trouble losing weight, you will be surprised how many calories you may actually be getting each day. After that since most peoples diets remain somewhat the same you will have a clear idea when you are over indulging.
To lose weight, be healthy and fit is a very simple recipe. It is the hard work and commitment that has people searching for that magic answer that doesn't exist. Be it some new fad diet or exercise machine. A simple recipe doesn't make for a good book. Your diet should be a diet for life.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 25, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
If all that mattered were calories, high-sugar/high-carb diets wouldn't be unhealthy either.
WebMD isn't a thorough reference on metabolic pathways.
If you want more information on some of these things, I highly recommend "The Big Fat Surprise," by Teicholz.
I wasn't talking about meat and salad Brooke. You know I wasn't.
Metabolic pathways? Lol. Asked and answered.
Don't be obtuse. If you are trying to lose weight you can't eat enough volume of the trash u listed to get full before reaching your daily daily caloric limit because they are so high in calories. You'd lose weight from starvation if you stayed under your caloric load as I've stated and you haven't even excercised yet!
The math doesn't lie. Ever. Brooke, it's ok, they can't all be home runs
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 25, 2016, 12:07:52 PM
You can complicate things as much as you want. Most people so searching for that magic diet for success. It all comes down to diet and exercise. Burn more calories than you eat, with the goal being the calories you do take in are the most nutritious and healthy you can eat to correctly fuel your body. Exercise is great to keep your body strong and help with the pains of aging, but calorie counting is the best way to lose weight. Try the Myfitnesspal app to count calories for two weeks if you have trouble losing weight, you will be surprised how many calories you may actually be getting each day. After that since most peoples diets remain somewhat the same you will have a clear idea when you are over indulging.
To lose weight, be healthy and fit is a very simple recipe. It is the hard work and commitment that has people searching for that magic answer that doesn't exist. Be it some new fad diet or exercise machine. A simple recipe doesn't make for a good book. Your diet should be a diet for life.
:cheers:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
I wasn't talking about meat and salad Brooke. You know I wasn't.
Metabolic pathways? Lol. Asked and answered.
Don't be obtuse. If you are trying to lose weight you can't eat enough volume of the trash u listed to get full before reaching your daily daily caloric limit because they are so high in calories. You'd lose weight from starvation if you stayed under your caloric load as I've stated and you haven't even excercised yet!
The math doesn't lie. Ever. Brooke, it's ok, they can't all be home runs
I'm saying this:
X calories of food Y is not the same effect to body weight as X calories of food Z. X is not all that matters. Y and Z matter significantly. Why? Because metabolic pathways are different for different foods.
Here is one example for you: glucose vs. fructose. Both are sugar. However, eating X calories of fructose results in enormously more fat production than X calories of glucose. Here is a link for you that shows it in about 3 seconds:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872
If you want to see what metabolic pathways are like and how they can be different for the same number of calories, here is a link for you:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=2705
Your math isn't the problem. Your problem is that you have too simplistic a model, and as a result, you think that the only thing that matters is how many calories you eat in a day. I can tell you from references, first-hand experience, and second-hand experience with several friends and family that changing the composition of your diet can matter more.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
I think these two things will soon become generally accepted as highly effective ways to reduce body fat.
1. Eliminate sugar (table sugar, sucrose, fructose, fruit juice, honey, all of it -- "natural" or not) from your diet. Why? Because of this: https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM (https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM)
2. If that alone doesn't do it, eat more meat and saturated fat in your diet as a proportion of the food you eat each day, reducing or eliminating things made from processed flour, processed rice, processed corn, and potatoes (i.e., bread, pasta, white rice, tortillas, potatoes). Why? Because of this: http://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624433/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461606091&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+fat+surprise (http://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624433/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461606091&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+fat+surprise)
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 12:50:54 PM
By the way, if you can't make it without sugar in your diet, if you use dextrose instead of "table sugar", honey, or high-fructose corn syrup, you are better off. Dextrose is glucose. Table sugar (i.e., "sucrose") is glucose and fructose, as is honey. High-fructose corn syrup is fructose. Fructose is what specifically is bad for you base on . . . metabolic pathways and how it is metabolized.
A very long explanation of the science behind it: https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 25, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
X calories of food Y is not the same effect to body weight as X calories of food Z. X is not all that matters. Y and Z matter significantly. Why? Because metabolic pathways are different for different foods.
Here is one example for you: glucose vs. fructose. Both are sugar. However, eating X calories of fructose results in enormously more fat production than X calories of glucose. Here is a link for you that shows it in about 3 seconds:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872
If you want to see what metabolic pathways are like and how they can be different for the same number of calories, here is a link for you:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=2705
Your math isn't the problem. Your problem is that you have too simplistic a model, and as a result, you think that the only thing that matters is how many calories you eat in a day. I can tell you from references, first-hand experience, and second-hand experience with several friends and family that changing the composition of your diet can matter more.
And I've tried them all. Including your Adkins, Modified Adkins (both of which are unsustainable) and talked with my physician, the CEO of UT Southwestern (cardiologist) and my sons nutritionist and all I've typed is what they've said. They didn't say eat all the meat you want and you'll lose weight. That in and of itself is atrocious. They didn't say only eat "good calories" and you're golden...if it was as easy as you say, there would have been a list of foods you can eat that would prompt weight loss made up looooong ago Brooke. "Eat these foods and you'll lose weight" hahaha. That's senseless.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Squire on April 25, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
Cut out the fast food and the junk food. Find a more healthy food that you actually LIKE to eat. Try that for awhile and you will lose some pounds.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 02:10:05 PM
And I've tried them all. Including your Adkins, Modified Adkins (both of which are unsustainable)
Why do you say that they are unsustainable?
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They didn't say eat all the meat you want and you'll lose weight. That in and of itself is atrocious.
Not at all, if you are talking about being on a low-carb diet. I did that, and lost weight. So did the various other people I know.
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if it was as easy as you say, there would have been a list of foods you can eat that would prompt weight loss made up looooong ago Brooke. "Eat these foods and you'll lose weight" hahaha. That's senseless.
There is a list made up long ago. Read "The Big Fat Surprise" -- it goes through the history as well.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on April 25, 2016, 04:30:35 PM
The biggest problems in the US are lack of exercise and portion control. I ride an exercise bike with a programmable "route" varying speeds and intensity every morning. For portion control I have a "special" bowl I use for cereal in the morning, measured once so I fill it to get 3/4 to 1 cup of cereal. Lunch is a single hot dog or burger. A yogurt or apple for an afternoon snack and supper. Eat what you want, but only fill the plate once except for veggies. I use a 9 inch plate and none of the food is to touch any other food. This make the portions right and easy to remember.
I lost 25 pounds in 3 months. The best thing is as you get use to eating this way it becomes the way you eat. No more huge meals, no more snacking around the clock. Drink plenty of water and you wont feel like your depriving your self of anything. I have another 25 to go. I'm hoping by the end of summer Im down to where I want to be.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2016, 06:38:55 PM
Interesting. It sounds like it would be really hard to do this on any of the plans. Do you do any of them, what were the changes you observed, and how easy or hard is it to keep doing it indefinitely?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on April 28, 2016, 06:08:38 AM
Ok.. it's been a week.
3.4 lbs down.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on April 28, 2016, 07:40:02 AM
Well I just got back from vacation so I'm only down 1
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: xbrit on April 28, 2016, 08:42:34 AM
Only just found this thread. When we moved to Florida back on March 8th I stopped drinking soda, it was only one each day but now I drink more water and pay a little more attention to what I eat. Since that date I have now lost 17lbs, I was 208 and now 191 at 5ft 7in I still have more to go I know but I'm going to do it slowly.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: colmbo on April 28, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
I lost a little over 20 lbs in three months with no exercise (170 to 147). I got cancer and couldn't eat going through treatment. I generally wouldn't recommend this path but I've been able to keep it off by simply watching my diet.
I'm currently on the same diet plan. Only 1 week into it and have only lost 1-2 pounds but the MD expects me to lose 30-40 pounds over the 6 week treatment.
I too do not recommend this particular weight loss plan.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 28, 2016, 10:07:23 AM
Ok, I lost 2.8 lbs. Sorry to see some of you guys losing it the hard way.
On to week number 2.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 28, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
Colmbo and BaldEagle, my best wishes to you guys, and I'm hoping fervently for excellent results for you. <S>!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: xbrit on April 28, 2016, 09:16:48 PM
Same best wishes to Baldeagl and Colmbo. I remember when my wife went through chemo, she told the nurse "at least I get to lose some weight" the nurse replied " sorry but it doesn't work that way with breast cancer". Can't really put what the wife said but basically it was about all the poison and no benefits !!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 30, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
Hmmmm...protein diet what? Lmao. Potatoes make that no fail list?
The question, of course, is what diet is easiest for people on average to succeed with. Is it easier to eat an Atkins-like diet? Easier to do calorie restriction and increased exercise? Easier to eat nothing but potatoes? Easier to eat nothing at all until your weight target is reached? There are dozens (hundreds?) of diets, all of which will cause you to lose weight -- *if* you can stay on them.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 30, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
Correct. Count calories and excercise and you can lose as much as you want.
If there was a magic list of food that all people could eat and lose weight insurance companies would force that issue. To an extent they already are by making it more expensive. At our company if your BMI is above a number, your premium is more. If you smoke, it's even more.
I'll say it again. It's ridiculous to believe anyone can eat as much food per day as they want and lose weight just because it's a certain kind of calorie. If it were that easy we wouldn't be a nation of fatasses.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on April 30, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
I lost 1 lb. sad. I have gone from a size 42 to a 36 in the past year. have lost about 55 lbs. it's the last 20 that I am stuck on.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: ghi on April 30, 2016, 04:45:08 PM
I'll say it again. It's ridiculous to believe anyone can eat as much food per day as they want and lose weight just because it's a certain kind of calorie. If it were that easy we wouldn't be a nation of fatasses.
I'll say it again: wrong. Of the people I know who have tried a low-carb diet, it worked that way for 8 out of 8 people. They ate as much meat and salad as they wanted every day and lost weight. That is exactly how it worked for me, in my own direct experience.
Also, here again is proof that the same calories of one consumable result in enormously more fat than the same calories in another consumable. Same calories, completely different fat generation:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on April 30, 2016, 07:46:17 PM
:o
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on April 30, 2016, 08:17:41 PM
Nice job Semp. A pound is a pound and you are going in the right direction.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Changeup on April 30, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
I'll say it again: wrong. Of the people I know who have tried a low-carb diet, it worked that way for 8 out of 8 people. They ate as much meat and salad as they wanted every day and lost weight. That is exactly how it worked for me, in my own direct experience.
Also, here again is proof that the same calories of one consumable result in enormously more fat than the same calories in another consumable. Same calories, completely different fat generation:
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872
Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work? And you are not a doctor of any kind. And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?
Those the facts?
Ok then. There are a bunch of people right here that are trying to lose weight. Put your magic list up and share it with them. Let them be volunteers for the program that you just put your name on as being a working unfallable way to lose weight guaranteed and let's see who loses and who gains.
Who wants to eat as much of specific foods as they want everyday, without excercise, and lose all the weight they need to be healthy?
BaldEagl has a tried and true method for you. Sign up here.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on April 30, 2016, 11:32:39 PM
Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work? And you are not a doctor of any kind. And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?
To some extent, Brooke is actually correct.
If you eliminate all carbs you can force the body to undergo a metabolic change (metabolic acidosis) where fats and muscle are used up by the body at an incredible rate. You can literally eat all meat all day and lose weight! However, the risk and potential damage to the body when performing this kind of diet can be rather high. I quickly looked for an article on the subject from a reliable source in case no one can take my word for it.
Keep in mind that eliminating all carbs from a diet is very hard as even simple marinades on meat can be enough to prevent metabolic acidosis. Please, do not attempt this kind of diet without medical supervision, particularly if you have an underlying condition like diabetes or renal impairment.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on April 30, 2016, 11:40:24 PM
On a side note, I am up to just a little over 40lbs lost in 5 weeks. If I lose 20 more, I will be at my ideal weight.
Again, I have Crohn's disease so I absorb less calories than most people do. So I tend to lose weight very quickly!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 30, 2016, 11:58:01 PM
Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work?
Yes, if they dispute my direct personal experience and the data thoroughly presented in "The Big Fat Surprise" or Gary Taubes's books, which are just based on going through an enormous number of dietary studies. No, if they do not.
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And you are not a doctor of any kind.
I am not a medical doctor. I have a science Ph.D. and work in biotech. There are a great many things where an MD knows a lot more than I do. But there is a limited area of biology-related stuff where I know more than a typical MD. With regard to biology and metabolism, I don't claim to be an enormous expert, but I do have some personal experience with one particular diet, experience that is completely in line with what is thoroughly described in "The Big Fat Surprise", so I don't think I'm an outlier.
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And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?
Yes. To be more specific, since I can foresee my words being transgressed into incorrect extremes otherwise: most overweight people, if they restrict their diets to meat and non-starchy vegetables (i.e., don't eat sugar, fructose, fruit juice, salad dressing with sugar in it, bread, pasta, rice, beans, potatoes, etc., along with the meat and salad), can eat as much as they want each and every day and lose weight up to the point where they are either a normal weight or at least significantly less overweight than they were before starting the diet.
Note what this does not say. It does not say that 100.0000% of people will get these results. I saw it work with 8 out of 8. 1 out of 9 might not work, or 2 out of 10, etc. It does not say that a person can be force-fed an unlimited amount of this and be fine, like a goose being prepared for pate. Part of the working of the diet is that there is only so much meat and salad you will desire to eat by your own appetite. At some point, you are full and don't want any more. You can eat meat and salad until you don't want any more -- every day -- as long as your diet doesn't include that other stuff. You can't eat a bunch of sugar and carbs and then eat all the meat and salad you want -- it is *just* meat and salad. It does not say that you will lose weight no matter what weight you are at. At some point on this diet, you reach your body's new setpoint of weight that is lower than before, and then you stop losing weight. But that setpoint isn't zero, and different people will have different setpoints.
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Those the facts?
Yes.
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Ok then. There are a bunch of people right here that are trying to lose weight. Put your magic list up and share it with them. Let them be volunteers for the program that you just put your name on as being a working unfallable way to lose weight guaranteed and let's see who loses and who gains.
Haven't you noticed? I've done that about 5 times already.
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Who wants to eat as much of specific foods as they want everyday, without excercise, and lose all the weight they need to be healthy?
Everyone wants that. But there are three problems.
One is that there are a hundred different diets in the world, each of which has someone saying "It's great!" People aren't going to try every one. So, I can say this one is great, but not everyone is going to believe me or try it.
Another is that eating a low-carb diet isn't to everyone's liking. I like it just fine, but some folks are carb hounds. Also, it is a diet that is (1) more costly (meat and salad cost more than pasta, rice, beans, and potatoes) and (2) less convenient (because most fast food and most convenient snacks are high carb).
Third is that there are people who will give it a try but not really do it. They will eat a bit lower carb than they did before or at least feel like they are trying to do so, but still eat hamburger buns and tortillas and drink a beer a day and sugary salad dressing and eat a bunch of nuts and have some chips here and there and an iced tea with sugar in it -- then say that they tried it, but it didn't work, when in fact they didn't really try it.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 01, 2016, 02:33:35 AM
Lots of good information about dieting in this thread, also a lot of good discussion pro and contra various ideologies or "truths" around the subject.
There's a couple of things I've learned: Losing weight is possible with any method described here. However, gaining it back is inevitable if you don't change your eating habits permanently. A friend had a mission to find his six-pack before getting married. In a couple of years he built the keg back and now having divorced his height and weight are almost identical in metric numbers.
Getting more calories than you consume will add on your waist. Some food digests causing more effort than other, but not even celery sticks consume more calories than what they bring.
Using smaller plates is an easy trick to reduce portions. It's been psychologically tested. If you've got used to eat one plateful at a time, your mind can't tell the difference between a 10" or 12" plate. They look equally full.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: shppr01 on May 01, 2016, 12:23:48 PM
I am a diabetic with Neuropathy in both feet, hands, and legs. I have severe Arthritis in both knees. Since 2010, I have been disabled and unable to walk 100 feet without falling. I live in my chair and bed. With that said, I am 5'9 and weigh in at a whopping 422 Lbs. When they put my pump on me in 2010, I went from 265 to over 400 in six months. I now have a crushed disc in my back. So, I can't exercise like normal to lose weight. I do eat less and use smaller plates. But. I still can't lose any .. With all this , How does one lose it and get back to be able to walk without the use of Morphine, and aids like I do now?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 01, 2016, 12:38:34 PM
Wow, Shipper.. that's aweful! Really sorry to hear that.
As far as a diet, I would think that only a Dr. familiar with you would be able to recommend something that would work. I sure wouldn't rely on opinions based in here.
My case is just one of willpower and motivation.. along the lines of what the OP posted.
I did start reading ' The Big FAT Surprise'.. um.. wow.. disturbing.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on May 01, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
I am a diabetic with Neuropathy in both feet, hands, and legs. I have severe Arthritis in both knees. Since 2010, I have been disabled and unable to walk 100 feet without falling. I live in my chair and bed. With that said, I am 5'9 and weigh in at a whopping 422 Lbs. When they put my pump on me in 2010, I went from 265 to over 400 in six months. I now have a crushed disc in my back. So, I can't exercise like normal to lose weight. I do eat less and use smaller plates. But. I still can't lose any .. With all this , How does one lose it and get back to be able to walk without the use of Morphine, and aids like I do now?
I don't know if this can help you, but NEVER give up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on May 01, 2016, 02:42:29 PM
If you eliminate all carbs you can force the body to undergo a metabolic change (metabolic acidosis) where fats and muscle are used up by the body at an incredible rate. You can literally eat all meat all day and lose weight! However, the risk and potential damage to the body when performing this kind of diet can be rather high.
Keep in mind that eliminating all carbs from a diet is very hard as even simple marinades on meat can be enough to prevent metabolic acidosis. Please, do not attempt this kind of diet without medical supervision, particularly if you have an underlying condition like diabetes or renal impairment.
Which is exactly why I said it wasn't sustainable. Its not. And after giving my sons nutritionist (BS in Microbiology, MS in BioChem, and MD) a screen shot of this, she quickly emailed back this response, "To only eat meat and salad to attempt to lose weight is a 12 week proposition at best. The pressure that level of protein digestion puts on your endocrine system borders on forced-failure. To say this is a safe, healthy, method of weight loss is completely irresponsible and could be life-threatening."
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 01, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Which is exactly why I said it wasn't sustainable. Its not. And after giving my sons nutritionist (BS in Microbiology, MS in BioChem, and MD) a screen shot of this, she quickly emailed back this response, "To only eat meat and salad to attempt to lose weight is a 12 week proposition at best. The pressure that level of protein digestion puts on your endocrine system borders on forced-failure. To say this is a safe, healthy, method of weight loss is completely irresponsible and could be life-threatening."
Yes, of course you don't eat 0.000000000% carbs. You do get some even if you are trying to get none. Even people who try their best to get zero carbs get some grams of carbs per day.
And I dispute that opinion, since what I am describing is basically the Atkins diet, which lots of people have tried for much longer than 12 weeks, and are fine.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 02, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Yes, of course you don't eat 0.000000000% carbs. You do get some even if you are trying to get none. Even people who try their best to get zero carbs get some grams of carbs per day.
And I dispute that opinion, since what I am describing is basically the Atkins diet, which lots of people have tried for much longer than 12 weeks, and are fine.
Actually the modified Atkins requires some carbs. Your original post said MEAT AND SALAD. i didn't include her comments regarding vitamin deficiency etc.
Also, she noted no one ever stays on the Atkins as a lifestyle. You can guess why right, lol. It's not sustainable
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 03, 2016, 12:26:56 PM
Actually the modified Atkins requires some carbs. Your original post said MEAT AND SALAD. i didn't include her comments regarding vitamin deficiency etc.
Also, she noted no one ever stays on the Atkins as a lifestyle. You can guess why right, lol. It's not sustainable
"Requires" . . . you make it sound like you have to make a special effort to get some carbs. I have a friend on the Atkins diet. He can't get zero carbs. He tries very, very hard to get under about 1 slice of bread of carbs per day.
People can stay on low-carb diet indefinitely. You start out with very low carbs while you lose weight. Then, once you lose your weight, the typical person can up the carbs and maintain that new weight level. That's what I do. I had lower carbs while losing weight, then upped my carbs and maintain once the weight was gone, and I maintain my lower weight without any difficulty on my low-carb diet.
This low-carb diet is sustainable for me without a lot of work and no hunger.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 03, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Actually the modified Atkins requires some carbs. Your original post said MEAT AND SALAD. i didn't include her comments regarding vitamin deficiency etc.
Also, she noted no one ever stays on the Atkins as a lifestyle. You can guess why right, lol. It's not sustainable
Also, let me make it more precise: do the Atkins plan. (Which includes what you do once you lose the weight, which is then plenty sustainable.)
If you can't manage to do it, try cutting out sugar of all sorts and reducing carbs as much as you can manage.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on May 03, 2016, 02:44:25 PM
The last few are the hardest ones, if you are losing at all you are doing great. :aok 1lb a week absolutely acceptable and healthy.
I'm up to 37 lbs lost, but I cheat. I have Crohn's disease and everything comes off incredibly easy, it is just stopping at my ideal weight that is the challenge.
I have tried that one too, Its so easy to loose those extra pounds that arent bones and skin.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Lusche on May 05, 2016, 08:14:04 AM
I'm up to 37 lbs lost, but I cheat. I have Crohn's disease and everything comes off incredibly easy, it is just stopping at my ideal weight that is the challenge.
My Crohn's disease did not stop me from going severly overweight in the past ~15 years. :uhoh
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 05, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
Well, I've got to try harder. I didn't lose or gain this week. And you are doing great APdrone.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on May 05, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
My Crohn's disease did not stop me from going severly overweight in the past ~15 years. :uhoh
To explain that, it is akin to a huge feast (like our Thanksgiving in the United States). The more you eat, the slower gastric motility becomes which equate to less pain and symptoms. That is until the symptoms return and you need to gorge yourself again. The alternative is not eating frequently and experiencing a flood of symptoms as the bowel 'wakes up' with potential ischemic bowel.
After researching at length to ensure validity, I've found that a small dose of nicotine (3-9mg a day) maximizes the mucosal lining of the intestines. Add a small amount of CBD (5-15mg)/5mg THC a day and that reduces the inflammation and keeps future bouts at bay while maintaining normal bowel function.
Contact me privately if you have any questions. I feel your pain and don't mind passing along what I've found works and is backed by reputable research.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 05, 2016, 11:39:42 PM
Pretty much just eliminated sugar/breads from the diet. Weird.. it's a lot easier than I thought it would be and I don't get hungry.
:aok
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on May 06, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
1 more lb. 18 to go :).
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on May 06, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
Down 44.2lbs in 6 weeks and another 20lbs to go.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 06, 2016, 12:48:45 PM
Wow, that is super fast.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: ghi on May 11, 2016, 05:21:14 PM
The future of urban commuting is here, don't give up, keep your thrust to weight ratio >1. :banana: :airplane: :rock
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 12, 2016, 09:27:10 AM
Lost 3.7 lbs this past week, so down 6.9 altogether. It frosted me that I did not lose any in the week previous so I worked fairly hard this last week.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 12, 2016, 12:31:15 PM
Lost 3.7 lbs this past week, so down 6.9 altogether. It frosted me that I did not lose any in the week previous so I worked fairly hard this last week.
WTG Rondar!
I'm down 2.4 this week. I think the quicky losses are behind me.. but I've dropped a pants size.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 12, 2016, 12:55:15 PM
APDrone you are doing great also. We need to keep it up. Semp? Semp?? How are you doing? And anyone else willing to step in with us? Never too late.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on May 12, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Gained 7 lbs . still trying.
Semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on May 12, 2016, 06:09:26 PM
lost 2 this week. Seeing I had a zero for last week Im ok with this. As long as I keep losing Im happy, how much each week isn't that important to me.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on May 12, 2016, 07:22:29 PM
I am at 217 down from a high of 265 a year ago. gained 7 lbs. but I hope to go down to 210 next week. down below 200 by june. :pray. even betty looks at me and points and says damn you fat.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 12, 2016, 08:41:31 PM
Semp how do you gain 7 lbs and then gonna lose it in a week? Did you drink a gallon of water then go weigh? :noid :headscratch:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on May 12, 2016, 09:13:03 PM
Semp how do you gain 7 lbs and then gonna lose it in a week? Did you drink a gallon of water then go weigh? :noid :headscratch:
no went to vegas for a couple of days. spent enough for free buffet and free drinks. that's an easy weight to lose based on my experience.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: nrshida on May 12, 2016, 11:42:46 PM
Any thoughts on this?:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Estes on May 13, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
I cut out the Cokes and Dr Pepper (I admit I will still have one on occasion - but not like several a day anymore), and between that and just being busy and away from all the fast food joints I used to frequent I've lost a good bit myself. I'm 5'11 and 170ish-something myself now I think? Down from 210 yay me lol!Been awhile since I've been weighed heh.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 13, 2016, 01:10:22 AM
I have the suspicion that we will soon find that healthy diets are: -- High meat and fat, low carb, with very little sugar, but not calorie restricted, or -- Low meat and fat, high carb, with very little sugar and no processed flour, but maybe not enormously calorie restricted, or -- A calorie-restricted diet of whatever mix of meat and carbs you want, but with very little sugar.
Eating low sugar (especially fructose) will, I think, be an important part of any of them.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 13, 2016, 04:05:14 AM
A thing I still can remember from Sinuhe the Egyptian (book) is Sinuhe telling how he used to dream about wealth and riches, so that he could get so fat that he'd have women like heavy hanging boobs. And that when he finally reached that position he noticed he had been happier when he didn't have it all.
Another thing I've noticed while visiting the medieval type restaurants: Meals they describe as "Rich Merchant's Feast" have substituted our daily bread. It's like Christmas and Thanksgiving and Hanukkah and whatever every day.
Further thinking, could we afford more luxury in our lives if we ate more starch? Like traveling, fine dining, a faster Internet or an AH3 capable gaming computer? At least here rice, pasta, potatoes and beans are much cheaper than meat. Guess I'll edit our family menu a little...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: BaldEagl on May 15, 2016, 11:50:08 AM
Makes sense. Entire populations have existed largely on rice or potatoes. You often hear stories in the US of people who are struggling living on potatoes.
When I was going through cancer treatment one of the foods I was able to eat for a while was black beans over rice with a sprinkling of cheddar cheese. Good stuff.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 18, 2016, 09:19:06 AM
To exercise or just to eat less? Found this today: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-05/uom-emt051616.php (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-05/uom-emt051616.php), http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27128671 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27128671)
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 18, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
My view is that there is a 3rd option: eat no sugar and less carbs.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: nrshida on May 19, 2016, 01:42:28 AM
Arguably off-topic because it's a suggested long-term pattern of eating and this thread is about weight loss. Although you could suggest you can only maintain a change with a coresponding 'permanent' change in eating habbits. I like the part where he says cats are carnivore, you don't put them on seeds and greens, or something to that effect.
My view is that there is a 3rd option: eat no sugar and less carbs.
Refined sugar is the beast for sure. I think not a single diet doesn't mention getting rid of sugar. Just recently I've stopped drinking tea, coffee and sodas too, like Estes. I'm relatively sugar-free right now. Managed to do it only once before for a month so I'm not congratulating myself just yet. Very easy to slip back into it. Seems to require a particular state of mind to do it. Apparently uniquely for foods sugar has a runaway effect on your dopamine production. After only about four or five days I found the 'need' had gone.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 19, 2016, 06:14:07 AM
Week #4
Down 5.1 total: 17.8 :banana: :banana:
Food day at work today.. gulp.. birthday cake.. :noid
:cry
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 19, 2016, 08:07:33 AM
Heh heh on the cake. You could call in with anal glaucoma :) :) :) tell em you cant see your donut going to work today :neener: :neener:
I'm down 4.3 lbs this week, total down 10.7 so far. It will be a tough week as we have to travel and attend HS graduations and receptions.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 19, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
After only about four or five days I found the 'need' had gone.
I noticed that same thing when I cut down on sugar. At first, I really wanted more of it, and it took some days before the craving for it was reduced. Interesting.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 19, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
Arguably off-topic because it's a suggested long-term pattern of eating and this thread is about weight loss. Although you could suggest you can only maintain a change with a coresponding 'permanent' change in eating habbits. ---
I've never heard that anyone could revert to the pre-diet eating habits without gaining the lost weight back.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 19, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on May 22, 2016, 09:23:58 AM
To my eternal disgrace I laughed at that the first time I saw it on youtube. That is an intoxicated homeless person who someone paid to do that, so they could laugh at him, film it, and put it on youtube. That is evil.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 22, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 26, 2016, 08:08:58 AM
Well, I seemed to have gained 1.8 lbs this last week. :furious I did look at another place where a guy kept track of his daily weight. It was all over the place literally, but gradually came down.
Also, I wonder how accurate and consistent a home scale is? I can get on and off a half dozen times and get several different weights. The scale I use is a Camry brand.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on May 26, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
A persons weight naturally varies by a couple of pounds every day. It depends on when you've eaten, how hydrated you are, when you last relieved yourself etc. If you've just eaten a big meal, drank a pint (or two) of lager, really need a piss and are nursing the great brown shark, you'll naturally weigh more than you did earlier in the day...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 26, 2016, 08:39:20 AM
No worries Rondar, I picked 1.4 lbs back up, too.
Not sure why, tho I suspect I spent more time in front of the computer culling through end-of-year HS sports pics, instead of outside getting yard work done.
Back on track, now. Fall in!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 26, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
As GScholz said, the weight varies for natural reasons. One thing to be added to his list is salt. If you eat something that contains more salt than your usual diet, the beverages you've had don't come out. They gather in your cells as bodily fluid until your salt balance gets back to normal. It's very easy to get too much salt when eating out, restaurant cooks tend to use salt as their primary seasoning. Add to that some "pinch salt" which seems to be very popular and a couple of pints and poof, you're hyperhydrated!
Vice versa reducing the amount of salt in your food might give you a rocket start in losing weight. Common herbs can be used to substitute salt, such as basil, thyme, dill, chives, rosemary... In normal conditions you'd get all the salt/sodium your body needs as "hidden" salt. There's a lot of it even in cereals and bread, and even in sweet biscuits and cakes.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 26, 2016, 10:38:43 AM
Ha ha, great brown shark. I wonder what one of these invertebrates weigh? I may have to do some covert investigation. :bolt:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on May 26, 2016, 10:47:17 AM
The point is that people shouldn't worry to much about weight, and focus more on body fat percentage. If you're morbidly obese then weight (measured over time and averaged) is a good indicator, but as you get closer to a healthy BFP weight becomes more inaccurate as a measurement of BFP.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: BaldEagl on May 26, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Well, I seemed to have gained 1.8 lbs this last week. :furious I did look at another place where a guy kept track of his daily weight. It was all over the place literally, but gradually came down.
Also, I wonder how accurate and consistent a home scale is? I can get on and off a half dozen times and get several different weights. The scale I use is a Camry brand.
As stated in an earlier post, I weight myself daily but as GScholz alluded to I make sure that my body's in the same state, therefore I generally weigh myself in the morning at about the same point in my eating. drinking coffee. going to the bathroom routine. Even at that my weight can vary by up to two pounds per day or around 1.5% of my overall body weight.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: JimmyC on May 28, 2016, 07:50:02 PM
Only just seen this thread and have not read it all I gave up the booze (3 1/2 months now) lost a stone in first month 14lbs job done.. I think drinking lots of water helps.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on May 29, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Welcome to the quest, Jimmy!
Yeah, booze is one of the first things I tossed out. Motivationally, primarily.. new years resolution to drop 50lbs before drinking again. 28lbs down.. 22 to go.
I had kinda hit a wall with my normal routine until Rondar started this challenge. Then the comments and suggestions from everybody really kicked in my motivation to actually do something.
I had heard that sugar seems to be the primary root of evil, when it comes to the diet.. and so I gave that up. I'm still a little unsettled as to the impact of that decision. The things I've observed are rather fascinating, although, having been at this for .. what, 6 weeks, I'll probably check in with the DR. to make sure I'm not doing something stupid.
Last week I did partake of a small piece of birthday cake.. small being about 1"x2"x1".. chocolate mousse' .. I swear to you.. I could feel the sugar hit my blood stream.. made the skin on my arms tingle as it traveled from my elbows to wrists. Freaky. It also seemed to interrupt the progress I had been making.. which, I believe, contributed to the bump in weight gain last week.
It's been over a week since that event and my body seems to be getting back on the steady loss path, again.
Not going to say that I'm invigorated with insane amounts of energy, because I'm not. I do, however, find it a lot easier to move around, being less of me. And my feet and knees are much more content. Especially when getting off the floor.
I drink water and coffee, only. No fruits. no breads.. maybe 30g carbs a day, mostly from munching on almonds and peanuts for snacks. I eat a few ounces of meat and cheese for lunch, with a couple cups of raw vegetables. Carrots, Broccoli ( vit. C ), Celery and Cauliflower. I try to keep dinner to a minimum.
I do get hungry, but not a panicky 'starving' type of hunger, more of a dull 'you need to eat' hunger. Here, again, I think sugar is to blame for the 'starving' type. I honestly think the body is more craving sugar than actually being hungry. A lot of times hunger is more likely dehydration, so drinking water squelches that.
Having been raised in the era of the food pyramid, I'm thinking about a vitamin supplement, just to be sure the basics are covered, but I'm still need to research that a bit.
Anyway.. Thanks, Rondar, for getting this going. Brooke, if you have any confirmations or advice on what I'm experiencing, I'm open to your wisdom.
Now to burn off some more in yardwars.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 30, 2016, 12:37:43 AM
Drone, it sounds like things are going pretty well and back on track.
A multivitamin/mineral supplement won't hurt -- at worse, you'll just pee out what vitamins you don't need.
One thing I would recommend to folks (as long as they aren't allergic to fish and as long as they aren't on any blood thinners) is a teaspoon of good-quality fish oil each day.
I started doing that, then got my wife, kids, and parents doing it, and my Mom's arthritis got much better. Like a multivitamin, it won't hurt you, so it is OK to give it a try (unless you are allergic to fish or are on blood thinners).
You need to get good, fresh fish oil, though, not the crappy stuff in capsules or low-end stuff that is processed poorly. Nordic Naturals and Carlson are both good. Get the bottled version, keep it in the fridge, and don't eat any fish oil that smells or tastes fishy. The good stuff doesn't do that. If it smells or tastes fishy -- it is rancid and no longer good for you. This place has Carlson fish oil: http://www.vitacost.com/carlson-the-very-finest-fish-oil-lemon-16-9-fl-oz-3
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: zack1234 on May 30, 2016, 02:24:27 AM
I feel emotional :old:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 30, 2016, 03:02:29 AM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: zack1234 on May 30, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
Gibbering about weight :old:
Eat less and move about a bit :old:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on May 30, 2016, 03:36:41 AM
There is always the all-pie diet.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on May 30, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Zack, since you like to "move" about a bit, a couple tubs of Activia would be good motivation to "move". :noid :rofl
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on May 31, 2016, 12:44:13 AM
I am up to 220 lbs. my meds have something to do with it. but mostly it's me. really gotta start getting serious. I want to lose 20 lbs by the end of june.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on May 31, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
--- maybe 30g carbs a day, mostly from munching on almonds and peanuts for snacks. ---
Just today I read that a couple of handfuls of nuts contain as much calories as a light meal. They're a valuable source of omega-3, though.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on June 01, 2016, 10:02:51 AM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 02, 2016, 08:07:34 AM
Down .2 from last weight check. So not great, but down 9.2 from when I started. Was another travel week so I don't feel too bad.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on June 02, 2016, 10:47:18 AM
You're doing fine Rondar. No sweat!
Week #6 down 4.2 lbs for total of 20.6
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Tumor on June 02, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
Started yesterday. Haven't weighed yet... not going to focus there. Just gonna exercise and watch the mirror.
Got on the eliptical (was pleasantly surprised the Golds Gym home one I got at a garage sale worked rather nice). Figured since it's been 9yrs since I even thought about exercise I'd take it easy, keep it to 15min and see how it goes. I've been through the old hard-core-start/can't-move-the-next-day thing too many times.
15min later I was all like... Dayum, I truly am teh suck. Felt it all day. WTH, I thought walking 300ft down a steep hill and back every few days was worth SOMETHING! Nope.
I can still feel it. It's embarrassing.
Oh and folks, since we're on about health. I don't know if this has been covered here, but.... a Magnesium supp has cured a problem or two of mine. Found out it's a ~very~ common problem that may be brought on by HBP/Cholesterol/TypeII meds (which I'm sure I'm not the only one here on), among others. The old ticker was fluttering like crazy for like a month at a time. Doc put me on a a supp that was double the daily recommended daily and viola... ticker smooth again, like the next day.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 02, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
Wow APDrone. That's great. Tumor glad to see you joining in. That magnesium thing is interesting.
Ps I could fit in that category you described. :noid
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on June 02, 2016, 03:50:57 PM
I don't know if this has been covered here, but.... a Magnesium supp has cured a problem or two of mine. Found out it's a ~very~ common problem that may be brought on by HBP/Cholesterol/TypeII meds (which I'm sure I'm not the only one here on), among others. The old ticker was fluttering like crazy for like a month at a time. Doc put me on a a supp that was double the daily recommended daily and viola... ticker smooth again, like the next day.
Excellent point.
Some folks can need a bit more magnesium, potassium, calcium, or sodium than usual on certain diets. I need more potassium. I was getting a tendency to get leg cramps and twitchy leg muscles in the evening. I tried more of each of the above one by one and found that it was specifically more potassium that I needed. Now, when I get leg crampiness/twitchiness, I eat a banana, and all is well. Some people needing more of those ions on some types of low-carb diets is in many writings on low-carb diets.
My mother needs more sodium and magnesium in her diet than is typical. Her symptoms were a bit of leg weakness and a very occasional faintness during harder exercise. As that is concerning, she got checked out by a cardiologist who put her through tests including a couple of stress tests to check her heart, which was fine, but the very occasional problem persisted. I recommended that she try more of the above, and she narrowed it down to more magnesium and more sodium solving it for her.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Tumor on June 07, 2016, 08:02:49 PM
Some folks can need a bit more magnesium, potassium, calcium, or sodium than usual on certain diets. I need more potassium. I was getting a tendency to get leg cramps and twitchy leg muscles in the evening. I tried more of each of the above one by one and found that it was specifically more potassium that I needed. Now, when I get leg crampiness/twitchiness, I eat a banana, and all is well. Some people needing more of those ions on some types of low-carb diets is in many writings on low-carb diets.
My mother needs more sodium and magnesium in her diet than is typical. Her symptoms were a bit of leg weakness and a very occasional faintness during harder exercise. As that is concerning, she got checked out by a cardiologist who put her through tests including a couple of stress tests to check her heart, which was fine, but the very occasional problem persisted. I recommended that she try more of the above, and she narrowed it down to more magnesium and more sodium solving it for her.
My heart flutters had come back with a vengeance recently. I ended up trying topical magnesium... did the trick over a 3 day span. This means, I was getting upwards of 1600g of extra magnesium a day, which is why I went topical. Friggin too much mag does mean things to you in pill form. Still dunno why the problem came back as I hadn't changed meds at all. Gettin checked out next week for may annual anyway. Real goal HERE, is to kick some of these meds and stop bein fat.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on June 07, 2016, 08:27:15 PM
After a few weeks of 0-1 lb loss, I really buckled down and lost 6 last week. Now lets see if it continues. :aok
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 07, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Nice job.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on June 09, 2016, 07:28:38 AM
WTG Fugi!
Week #7. Down 2lb. 22.6 total
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on June 09, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
great job APDrone! :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 10, 2016, 07:50:52 AM
Totally forgot to weigh yesterday. As an aside, its been really hard to get any exercise in anywhere. I've been out on the tractor 12- 15 hours a day lately. Anyway down 1.2 lbs, total down 10.4 since I started.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on June 10, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
WTG drone,and the rest of you guys as well.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on June 10, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Thanks folks! WTG Rondar, keep it up! ... or would that be down.. um.. .. silly english..
:banana:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on June 10, 2016, 05:10:04 PM
I lost 5 lbs. after gaining 8 :).
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 10, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
Good job Semp. Keep at it and it will work.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 16, 2016, 08:45:17 AM
Down 4.4 lbs from last week. 14.8 lbs lost somewhere, and I hope they stay lost :aok
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on June 16, 2016, 09:41:10 AM
Keep at it!
Having a tuff week. When I get busy I fall back into old eating habits. Been a busy week.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on June 16, 2016, 10:11:10 AM
back to the weight I started with. 212.2
20 more to go.
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on June 16, 2016, 04:18:06 PM
WTG Rondar!
Keep at it guys!!
LOL Fugi.. I feel your pain!
Week #8 2.3 lbs down 24.9 total.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on June 22, 2016, 02:36:11 PM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on June 23, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Stayed same weight this week. Still down 14.8 from the start though.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on June 23, 2016, 10:36:12 AM
Nothing wrong with that, Rondar. WTG on staying there! Your initial goal was 10-20, so you've succeeded.
Still going here.
Week #9 down 3.7. Total 28.6 lbs
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: guncrasher on June 23, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
210 for me :). even after pigging out and lots of beer on father's day
semp
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Tumor on July 06, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
Been just over a month. No idea about weight, although I did go see the doc for my annual at the VA middle of June. A1C was up .5, but I knew that was coming. I've been surprisingly good at keeping the every other day workout routine on course... 30min each now and I've pumped up the resistance on the elliptical quite a bit. Only thing I've noticed for sure, put two shirts I haven't had on for a long time on and they had this weird loose feel to'em. I'm dyin to weigh but ain't gonna do it till Sept if I can hold off. I know where I was last month from the Doc visit.
I may actually start a diet. I'm somewhat careful anyway, except when I'm not (lol). Years ago I did the BMR thing and literally counted every calorie... I had fat melting off for about 4mo then it stopped. INCREASED calories and it started again.. but then I retired. doh! Do that and you can eat whatever the hell you want, just keep it inside your count. BTW, yes, you can tackle a Whopper... but almost nothing else all day. LOL :banana:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on July 15, 2016, 10:06:14 AM
It's been a while since I have checked in, bit have been working almost nonstop with wheat harvest and then working summer fallow. Have done nothing for 3+ weeks but sitting in a combine and tractor.
Anyway, have lost a total of 18 lbs. Pants are loose, shirts the same, and had to get a new shorter belt.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on July 15, 2016, 06:26:09 PM
WTG Rondar! Nothing wrong with 18lbs! Especially being cooped up like that.
Still losing.. down 37 since 4/21.. 46 since 1/1.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on July 15, 2016, 10:41:15 PM
That is just a really nice job you have done there AP. I plan to go some more myself but I know it will come off slower as I will spend most of the summer and fall in various farm equipment. Not sure I will do a weekly update but not going to forget it either.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on July 16, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
Thanks, Rondar.
Told you I needed to lose 50. :)
This thread really helped, tho.. For whatever reason, it did motivate me to finally focus on the weight loss, and the earlier discussion about options really helped. It's been an eye-opening experience.
This low-carb stuff is really working. I'm at a 15 year low for weight. Still going to shoot for another 25 or so.. want to get under 200. Blood pressure has gone from 156/96 to 116/80.
Starting to mull over what sort of life changes I've committed myself to. Will probably play around with a few things, but I suspect that sugar is pretty much gone, for good, unless I plan on a week recovery period after eating a cupcake.. :confused: Good thing I like raw broccoli, carrots, meat, and block cheese.
I have 4 more to lose before drinking ( new years resolution ) .. and I'm a little apprehensive as to what bourbon will do.
But, thanks for putting the challenge out there! It's made for a good summer.
:salute
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on July 16, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
That's excellent!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
You may also find that man things are easier and you won't get tired as quickly. Nice job sticking to it!
This thread really helped, tho.. For whatever reason, it did motivate me to finally focus on the weight loss, and the earlier discussion about options really helped. It's been an eye-opening experience.
This low-carb stuff is really working. I'm at a 15 year low for weight. Still going to shoot for another 25 or so.. want to get under 200. Blood pressure has gone from 156/96 to 116/80.
Starting to mull over what sort of life changes I've committed myself to. Will probably play around with a few things, but I suspect that sugar is pretty much gone, for good, unless I plan on a week recovery period after eating a cupcake.. :confused: Good thing I like raw broccoli, carrots, meat, and block cheese.
I have 4 more to lose before drinking ( new years resolution ) .. and I'm a little apprehensive as to what bourbon will do.
But, thanks for putting the challenge out there! It's made for a good summer.
:salute
I have a very hard time staying on track, mostly feeling sorry for myself. In stead of looking at things as an "improvement" or healthy choice I look at it as depriving myself of another thing I like. Whats the point of getting to live another 10 years if they are going to suck like these! Lets have some fun NOW!!! :devil
I am getting better at control. If I do have to stop at a Wendys or other fast food place I get a single sandwich, instead of the 2 with the large fry and a mega soft drink. Dinner is one helping where no food touches other food on the plate. Snacks are apples or veggies or low salt sunflower seeds. No more beer. This has gotten that "beer belly" to break up and now I guess I should say my belly sags :rolleyes: I still ride the bike a half hour a day plus get over 5K steps a day.
Not losing any weight, but at least Im not gaining either.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on July 16, 2016, 02:05:32 PM
Fugi, you've got a point there. Abnegation may satisfy some people but if you get stressed because of it your metabolism will suffer, nullifying your efforts.
That said, keep on eating/drinking what you enjoy, only reducing the portions. The trick is to spend the same time despite the smaller amount. Concentrate to every chew, mouthful, sip as it were your last chance to taste it. Be a connoisseur, a gourmand! Instead of pouring a bucketful at once into your throat, sniff it, look at it, taste it in tiny bits, feel what you're eating and drinking.
This reminds me of my childhood, when yoghurt was a rare delicacy in our family. I sometimes ate it with a fork to make it last longer. Try chopsticks, especially with soups they really would make you work for your nourishment...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on July 16, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
No sugar and low carbs. For some folks (like me and five other people I know), it's like magic.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Delirium on July 17, 2016, 04:01:39 PM
It has been a while, but I lost over 50 lbs and I am still going.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on July 17, 2016, 04:28:22 PM
It has been a while, but I lost over 50 lbs and I am still going.
WTG Del !
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on July 19, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
Remember those waterslide weight restrictions are there for a reason.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on July 21, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
To start with, I'm not dismissing anyone's efforts in this challenge. On the contrary. This comment is intended to help keeping the lower weight.
In an interview I just read a psychologist specialized in weight controlling said:
"If food was only fuel for us, hardly no-one would be overweight. But there's so much more involved in eating. That said it's totally absurd that weight control groups count calories and give lists about good and bad ingredients as if it was only about mathematics."
What she meant is that we often eat to compensate a lack of meaning. Instead of of asking a person about weight the question should be how does s/he feel. When a person finds out the true reason for eating too much, the issue starts to solve itself. Example: I'd like to play AH for a few hours before bedtime, but my wife wants me to watch TV with her. So I make me a huge sandwich and have a beer or two at the TV. That's something she can't take away from me!
So, how do you guys feel about your lives?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Tumor on July 22, 2016, 04:52:53 PM
To start with, I'm not dismissing anyone's efforts in this challenge. On the contrary. This comment is intended to help keeping the lower weight.
In an interview I just read a psychologist specialized in weight controlling said:
"If food was only fuel for us, hardly no-one would be overweight. But there's so much more involved in eating. That said it's totally absurd that weight control groups count calories and give lists about good and bad ingredients as if it was only about mathematics."
What she meant is that we often eat to compensate a lack of meaning. Instead of of asking a person about weight the question should be how does s/he feel. When a person finds out the true reason for eating too much, the issue starts to solve itself. Example: I'd like to play AH for a few hours before bedtime, but my wife wants me to watch TV with her. So I make me a huge sandwich and have a beer or two at the TV. That's something she can't take away from me!
So, how do you guys feel about your lives?
I hate skinny people who eat tons of crap all day and never get fat. That's how I feel.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on July 23, 2016, 09:59:02 AM
I hate skinny people who eat tons of crap all day and never get fat. That's how I feel.
I don't believe such people exist. Either they use the extra calories somewhere we don't know or they don't eat that much after all. People can't be monitored day in, day out. Also, how much is "tons"? I ask this because I've learned that spending a lot of time eating may not be because of lots of food, it may be because of slow speed. And it's a known fact that spending more time chewing your food makes you eat less.
As for myself, I can easily gain an extra 5 pounds during Christmas just because of snacks and goodies and the extra cream and butter added to everything on the table, the only exercise being walking down to the cellar to cut some more ham. When the holidays are over and both my eating and working get back to normal, so does my weight.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Zoney on July 23, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
I'm "that guy".
6'4" 155 pounds at 60 years old.
145 pounds when I went in the Air Force in 1974.
I eat everything , constantly. Only in the last 10 years have I even looked at nutrition info so now I avoid certain foods, but I do not limit the quantity so much.
Village Inn French Silk pie in one sitting, don't bother to slice it, just hand me the pie.
A 5 pound bag of peanut M&M's never last 2 days, 24 hours tops.
You're making a dish of Lasagna? Great, what are you going to eat because that's all mine.
I've always thought that one day it would all catch up to me and I'd balloon up overnight, don't look like that's going to happen.
I think it's 95% genes, 5% activity. There has never been a heavy person in my family, either side that I have ever met.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Lusche on July 23, 2016, 11:43:53 AM
There has never been a heavy person in my family, either side that I have ever met.
Squirrels of a dry summer...
But I know what you mean. I've been able to use the same clothes for almost three decades and yes, I still use some of them! I must admit, though, that zipping some trousers or getting the uppermost button closed may feel cumbersome... I like to think at least half of it is muscle. :pray
As for genes, my dad who's turning 80 has been the same weight for much longer. As long as I can remember he's got a dad bod, but I still dare not challenge him in arm wrestling! I'm 4" taller and we weigh the same. What he misses in height is in his rock solid shoulders. Oh well...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on July 30, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
GGGGOOOOOAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
50.5 lbs lost since Jan 1.
42.1 since 4/21, when this thread was started. Thanks again, Rondar!!
The drought ends tonight!
(http://www.xancrom.com/412th/goal.jpg)
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: GScholz on July 30, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: The Fugitive on July 30, 2016, 12:53:22 PM
42.1 since 4/21, when this thread was started. Thanks again, Rondar!!
The drought ends tonight!
(http://www.xancrom.com/412th/goal.jpg)
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on July 31, 2016, 03:09:35 AM
:aok :cheers:
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on August 05, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
WTG APDrone. Now you have inspired me to try for a few more.
If you don't mind, what do you feel was the most important thing you did to get the weight off? I'm curious as you did a great job in a relatively short time. Dr appt. coming up in a couple months and I would like to impress her a bit instead of getting my :ahand to me by her :).
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on August 06, 2016, 01:22:01 PM
Thanks, Rondar.
The most significant thing I did was give up sugar and bread. My carb intake is probably less than 20g a day.
I get a couple grams of sugar from munching on peanuts and almonds, but cutting out all fruits, sweets, ketchup, chips, etc did the trick.
Now.. when I started this thing, I thought there was no way I could give that stuff up.. but, I gave myself 2 weeks to see how it would go. I'm still shocked at what transpired.
The biggest thing is I quit being ravenously hungry. I was afraid I would be miserable being hungry all the time. That didn't happen. I'm convinced that a lot of what people call 'hunger' is really the body craving sugar.
I only drink water and black coffee, so whenever I got a hunger pang, a few peanuts and some water and I'd be fine.
I found I could live just fine on lunches alone, with some light snacking in the evening.. maybe a tablespoon or two of peanut butter on occasion.
As far as exercise, my wife and I walk a 3 mile route a few nights a week. It adds up to about 360 calories worth.
With the diminished appetite, that makes it a lot easier to take in fewer calories than you're burning off.
Mostly, I just eat a few ounces of cheddar cheese, a few ounces of some sort of meat.. beef summer sausage, for instance, about 1/2 cup of raw broccoli, along with similar amount of carrots and/or celery.
Let me know how it works out!
Good luck!
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on August 06, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
I'm convinced that a lot of what people call 'hunger' is really the body craving sugar.
I only drink water and black coffee, so whenever I got a hunger pang, a few peanuts and some water and I'd be fine.
Actually, and this is only my personal opinion based on experience, many times some water might be enough. Then again, if it's hot and you're sweating a lot, salted peanuts may help balancing your system. In that case salted popcorn contain less calories. Or you can choose mineral water instead.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on August 06, 2016, 02:30:31 PM
Actually, and this is only my personal opinion based on experience, many times some water might be enough. Then again, if it's hot and you're sweating a lot, salted peanuts may help balancing your system. In that case salted popcorn contain less calories. Or you can choose mineral water instead.
Oh, absolutely! Many times hunger is a sign of dehydration.
Popcorn, for me, however, is not an option. Terrible carb content.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Bizman on August 06, 2016, 02:44:00 PM
Oh those carbs! My wife joined the Weight Watchers for a while years ago, they were more after the calories than carbs. So she drank gallons of zero-cola only to make her want sweets even more. It seems that there's at least as many truths as there's people wanting to lose weight. Maybe even more, there's always some skinny one writing a bestseller book about dieting or selling snake oil pills for instant weight loss...
As for myself, I should simply work more to burn my fats, or reduce my comfort eating at least for a while. If I lost some weight by changing my eating, would it stay stable at the lower level after coming back to the current diet? That's the main issue with mie. My weight hasn't changed for ages, it's been the same for the last decade or so. However, it's not all lean muscle, I get a handful of fat when I grab my belly...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: oakranger on August 06, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
I lost a little over 20 lbs in three months with no exercise (170 to 147). I got cancer and couldn't eat going through treatment. I generally wouldn't recommend this path but I've been able to keep it off by simply watching my diet.
Bloody hell, did not know you had cancer. Hope all is well.
Rondar, do you have an eating disorder?
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on August 06, 2016, 11:47:23 PM
Here you go, Changeup -- another victory for the low-carb diet.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Rondar on August 07, 2016, 11:55:26 AM
Sounds like my brother-in-law who lost a lot of weight as a student by eating at school. The diet worked well but it was quite tough during Easter Holiday when the school was closed...
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: FLOOB on August 22, 2016, 10:43:49 AM
In Japan employers are required to measure their employees waists every year. Any male with a waist larger than 35.4" must attend mandatory counseling and his employer can be fined for having overweight employees.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: ghi on August 22, 2016, 11:11:21 AM
In Japan employers are required to measure their employees waists every year. Any male with a waist larger than 35.4" must attend mandatory counseling and his employer can be fined for having overweight employees.
i would qualify for sumo wrestler jobs only : :(
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: APDrone on April 05, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
Update:
Just had my annual checkup. This was a concern being on this low-carb diet since April.
Turns out all my blood levels for cholesterol are good. Doc says "Keep doing what you're doing".
Still 56 lbs down from 1/1/16. Energy levels better. Don't get winded on sprints.
It's a life change. But very doable. Life without sugar is good.
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Brooke on April 06, 2017, 01:43:53 AM
Way to go, Drone. :aok
Title: Re: A weight challenge
Post by: Kanth on April 06, 2017, 07:00:57 AM