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Title: Tracer users
Post by: JOACH1M on April 27, 2016, 03:36:49 PM
As a fellow tracer user, I have found that in AH3 my shooting is far off. The tracers and hit sprites are much harder to see... I wish I wasn't a tracer reliant shooter :( I noticed if I want to make the shots I make in AH2 I'm shooting about 30% more rounds... It's depressing  :cry

Anyone else feeling the pain as much as me?
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: GhostCDB on April 27, 2016, 03:52:42 PM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.  :cry
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 27, 2016, 04:07:59 PM
As a fellow tracer user, I have found that in AH3 my shooting is far off. The tracers and hit sprites are much harder to see... I wish I wasn't a tracer reliant shooter :( I noticed if I want to make the shots I make in AH2 I'm shooting about 30% more rounds... It's depressing  :cry

Anyone else feeling the pain as much as me?

I don't know, I think at first it seemed wierd but I don't really see any differences other than smaller sprites. That being said, it seems the bullets actually work for me when I shoot someone, so I got that going for me, which is nice.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Krupinski on April 27, 2016, 04:08:47 PM
Tracers... lul
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Wiley on April 27, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.  :cry

In the middle of the class just stand up and yell, "Hey everybody!  Look at me!"  Problem solved.  You're welcome.

Tracers- They do seem harder to see, same with hit sprites.  Not sure what to make of that yet.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 27, 2016, 04:37:57 PM
As a fellow tracer user, I have found that in AH3 my shooting is far off. The tracers and hit sprites are much harder to see... I wish I wasn't a tracer reliant shooter :( I noticed if I want to make the shots I make in AH2 I'm shooting about 30% more rounds... It's depressing  :cry

Anyone else feeling the pain as much as me?

Nope, my hit percentage has actually gone up in AH3 but then I don't use my tracers to aim, I use the gun sight for that.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 27, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.  :cry

How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: JOACH1M on April 27, 2016, 04:44:02 PM
Nope, my hit percentage has actually gone up in AH3 but then I don't use my tracers to aim, I use the gun sight for that.
My bad habit is walking the tracers into the target :/
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: bustr on April 27, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Jo,

What's yur problem, you got that neet Lil tumble to confuse em with when things get dicy...... :O

Now if you start doing it with a tank, I'm begging Hitech for the nuke so I can follow you around...... :ahand
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: JunkyII on April 27, 2016, 05:57:56 PM
I like them personally and like AKAK I seem to shoot better....probably because it couldn't get any worse from AH2...
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?
Ayeeee
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Bear76 on April 27, 2016, 06:20:31 PM
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?

He's now an Admiral and going to the Olympics.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Gman on April 27, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
Joeachim, go into the beta forum, there are a couple in depth threads regarding this issue.  I figured it would be an issue of note once more people started flying the beta.  AckAck, I specifically thought of you the other day when testing tracers in AH3, they don't seem as affected with the P38 specifically for me, likely due to how the guns are mounted and the tracers seen.  Those who don't use tracers won't really notice as stated, but the Mosquito and P38 specifically I found to be a little easier, while for some reason the 109s are among the planes most affected by the change from AH2 to beta IMO.

IMO those players who use the tracers in AH2 to adjust their fire on to the target are going to have to relearn how to shoot a bit - I said this weeks ago, and have been waiting for other players to get into the beta and say something similar, and Jo being a known player with good accuracy saying much the same at least confirms it isn't all in my head, or just on my end. 

I've found that I have to get MUCH closer than in AH2 to get the same results in terms of accuracy - gone are the days of my high angle long range shots which made up a significant portion of my shooting.  It's not really a "bad" thing either, just a "new" thing, I think it'll come back, at least I hope so. 

I find this really interesting right now.  I think it breaks down like this in the game - primarily two types of shooters, those who use the sights, or A sight, and those who focus more on the target, like a point shooter would.  Sight users will be little affected as they aren't focusing on tracers, or even the target, but on the sights, which is typically/usually the "proper" way to shoot anything.  In this game however, many, myself included, focus on the targets and the tracers.  I tend to blend them, get a sight picture based on experience and the situation, and then fire and switch to a more point shooting sight picture, focusing on the tracers/target and look for sprite impacts to verify I'm on target.  Those who do this, who use the sight/sights initially and then stop focusing on them and look more at the target/tracers, will undoubtedly IMO have some issues with the new beta/AH3 tracers/sprites/etc.  Those who focus on the site and ignore tracers/sprites (having them off too of course), and keep the sight more in focus than the target aircraft, won't have to adjust much if at all.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Oldman731 on April 27, 2016, 07:54:19 PM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.


You have to let all the frogs out of the jars.  Then she's yours.

- oldman
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Canspec on April 27, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
I can't hit anything in AHIII.......but then I can't hit anything in AHII.......it does seem more difficult not to hit anything in the Beta though....... :old:
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: caldera on April 27, 2016, 08:19:16 PM

You have to let all the frogs out of the jars.  Then she's yours.

- oldman

He also needs a fat kid to stand on so he can kiss her.   :D
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: captain1ma on April 27, 2016, 09:23:39 PM
whats a tracer?  :neener:
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: nrshida on April 28, 2016, 02:07:22 AM
I find this really interesting right now.  I think it breaks down like this in the game - primarily two types of shooters, those who use the sights, or A sight, and those who focus more on the target, like a point shooter would. 

I visually track the target and try to be aware of my 'sight' in the periphery & don't use tracers. What kind of shooting technique is that? What do clay pigeon shooters do Gman, do you know?



Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 28, 2016, 03:19:21 AM


I find this really interesting right now.  I think it breaks down like this in the game - primarily two types of shooters, those who use the sights, or A sight, and those who focus more on the target, like a point shooter would.  Sight users will be little affected as they aren't focusing on tracers, or even the target, but on the sights, which is typically/usually the "proper" way to shoot anything.  In this game however, many, myself included, focus on the targets and the tracers.

For about 9 years I flew with tracers off and during that time I read as much as I could (still do) on gunnery and practiced offline quite a bit and in the TA with the LCGS, learning the proper lead with the sight.  Forgot what reason but I turned tracers on and found that it was really no different for me aiming than with the tracers off since I wasn't depending on the tracers for aiming.  It also should go without mention that a good gun sight is very important.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Randy1 on April 28, 2016, 05:11:10 AM
I find myself of late leaning more and more on tracers.  That is having an overall negative effect on my shooting albeit at first it seemed to work well.  My guess is, the tracers was a good supplement to using the gun-sight but then it became a crutch.  The bad part is, it is a hard habit to break without turning tracers off.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Max on April 28, 2016, 06:31:45 AM
It also should go without mention that a good gun sight is very important.

Which do you use?
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: nickel5 on April 28, 2016, 11:17:51 AM
When I flew the AR234 in dogfights I had the tracers off and had a blast !
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Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: HL117 on April 28, 2016, 11:39:57 AM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.  :cry
Tell them your an AH simpilot they will flock to you.

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Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: 68ZooM on April 28, 2016, 11:47:13 AM
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?
Lol
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Stang on April 28, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?

LOL.

 :rock
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Stang on April 28, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
I rarely use tracers, but I think they look cool so when I've flown lately (rarely) I've had them on. However I think it's imperative to learn to shoot without them. I also rarely shoot outside of 250 yards unless I have to. I'll use acm to acquire a gun solution, not spray from 600 yards on in as I try to follow the target. Maneuver to where I have a low angle shot 200-250 behind and let it rip.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Shuffler on April 28, 2016, 01:03:47 PM
It's mainly a FOV issue. Get used to it or change the FOV.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 28, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Which do you use?

This sight.  It's highly accurate.

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/n00bsight.jpg)
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Changeup on April 28, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?

Ohhhhh GAWD!!  Lmao!!!!  I knew that was coming!!!!  Hahahaha. 
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: bustr on April 28, 2016, 01:34:19 PM
I think Chalenge, GMAN, and I pushed the tracers issue to the max with Hitech and Skuzzy. We should wait until AH3 live since it's obvious the house is very aware of the tracers testing nonsense that got out of hand. You might say we killed Kenny in the process of having a stink fight.

Right now in the beta, for aircraft tracers, if you really need them that bad, set your FoV 80-100. I just spent 30 minutes with fov at 95 and it seems the overall average best to see tracers from all the fighters and have some peripheral vision. You don't really need zoom at 95 other than finding ground targets. Using the historically accurate reticles (1Mil = 2pixel) works easily between 80 and 100. Getting into larger FoV just use a dot with maybe one for rockets or go to zoom when you shoot.  As you get above 100, the reflector plate begins to get darker and the tracers proportionally smaller. You will have a sense of them out to about 400, but trying to see them individually is a waste of time right now.

Hitech and Skuzzy's message to us after we killed Kenny was along the lines of: You are here to find bugs and report them. Not try and find work arounds to them during the beta.

Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: LCADolby on April 28, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
How's life as a midshipman at the US Naval Academy?  Still on the wrestling team?
:rofl
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Gman on April 28, 2016, 03:39:23 PM
Like Bustr said, I think that there are more important fish to fry right now, and even though HTC said in pretty clear terms to focus on bugs and not on figuring out work arounds for current features/changes, it'll still end up being a common question and  issue, so it'll be something that gets a lot of airplay in the future, like it or not.  Just not in beta right now, which is completely understandable, after all they do work, just look different, and fixing unbroken things is probably not a popular agenda item anywhere when trying to get something new off the ground.

IMO though, FOV doesn't really resolve it all that much, even 60 still looks and works much differently than AH2, but I too have found 95 to be something I've gotten used to shooting with through a number of hours spent shooting drones, and having always used the small death dot have figured out most of my new shooting cues and angles.  They have changed, no question, but it's not impossible to adjust to it.  Just takes some time.
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: Meatwad on April 28, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
I can't get the cute girl in my Music Theory class to look at me, now thats depressing.  :cry

Tell her you have a theory on making music but cant do it alone, so you need her to come over and help you on it
Title: Re: Tracer users
Post by: FLOOB on April 28, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
I always had tracers on but never used them for aiming. I have tracers on so that the sub-knight knows that someone is shooting at him.