General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Randy1 on May 23, 2016, 04:03:34 PM
Title: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Randy1 on May 23, 2016, 04:03:34 PM
Upgraded to Windows 10 from W7. The upgrade was smooth and easy. So far Windows 10 was a good upgrade for me.
I did have on issue, which was my fault.
Thrustmaster MFD Cougar panel flashed continuously after the upgrade showing it disconnected and reconnected every few seconds. I went to Thrustmaster and they had a new driver. That fixed the issue.
TARGET software also has an update from my old version.
AHII graphics are some what sharper. Not a game changer but noticeable on my setup.
AHIIIBetaDX9 graphics are somewhat better. Again, not a game changer.
AHIIIBetaDX11 was much less stable than with W7 but the graphics were better.
From all the negative post I thought I would be unhappy with W10. I was somewhat impressed with W10.
One interesting feature it ask me to review my Start programs to improve performance. A nice touch.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Bizman on May 24, 2016, 10:46:48 AM
Good to hear you like it. Truth to be said, 10 really looks nice and when it works, it works quite well.
Why I dislike it is the way Microsoft forces people to install it even to systems that either really aren't fully compatible or fail in the upgrade process where a clean install might work. Plus some of the features like the peer to peer updating and spying for marketing purposes.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Chalenge on May 24, 2016, 04:10:40 PM
And forced removal of some programs. That's Orwellian.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 06:52:32 AM
Sort of like a fresh apple pie. Coming out of the oven, it is quite a heavenly smell and tastes incredible. Let it sit there for a week,....not so much. A month and,..OMG!
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Randy1 on May 25, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
I am keeping my eye on w10. Checked the net status in MA and it was going all over the place for a short time. Will try to pin this down to either W10, xbox updates or the local internet service or all the above. i change providers a couple of months ago after having similar problems and long outages with AT&T DSL.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Latrobe on May 25, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
Upgraded to Windows 10 from W7. The upgrade was smooth and easy. So far Windows 10 was a good upgrade for me.
Good for you Randy! :aok
I upgraded to Win10 a while back when Win 7 was having some heavy problems. The upgrade ended up fixing all of my problems. A few months later now and Win 10 is still running perfectly fine, maybe even BETTER than when I first got it! I would highly recommend Win10 to anyone. It's just perfect with no flaws I can see.
The only times I have heard Win10 being linked to someone having problems with their computer are from people who have very limited to no knowledge on how computers work and start messing with system registry files for some unknown reason. They end up breaking their PC's deleting important files and then blame it on Win10 even though they were the ones who actively deleted important files. Everyone who has done the update the proper way have said that it was very easy and are very happy with the update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Bizman on May 25, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
The only times I have heard Win10 being linked to someone having problems with their computer are from people who have very limited to no knowledge on how computers work and start messing with system registry files for some unknown reason. They end up breaking their PC's deleting important files and then blame it on Win10 even though they were the ones who actively deleted important files. Everyone who has done the update the proper way have said that it was very easy and are very happy with the update.
You haven't seen much, then. I can assure you that the Win10 problems I've encountered haven't been caused by the users. They are too ignorant and insecure to even find out how. Not to mention the IT company whose computers had major issues after an update version of Win10: One brick, the rest missing the anti-virus they had before. Oh, wait, their administrator must have been messing with system registry files. For what I know, he's been in business less than 30 years.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
Latrobe, that paints a very generous picture, which is not quite right. I have to think your choice of phrasing was poor there.
There are plenty of people having real problems with Windows 10. Again, if Windows 10 was perfect, Microsoft would not be cranking out updates to fix problems as fast as they are. It has nothing to do with the level of knowledge anyone has. It has to do with the real problems Windows 10 still has.
The level of problems people have are linked to numerous things, from older hardware, to applications which exacerbate the issues, to mobile devices.
The only reason someone has no problems with Windows 10, simply means they are not running into the problems due to how they use the computer or they are overlooking the problems as they do not know they are actual problems.
I could, quite easily, list 40 or 50 known problems with Windows 10. They are all over the map, from hardware which no longer works to driver issues to applications crashing. No one is trying to hide them. They are getting well documented.
There there are the default settings Microsoft has chosen for Windows 10 which is causing a lot of problems for people. Things like the peer-to-peer settings, which happily interfere when other applications are being used, to the data gathering defaults and many others. These can be fixed without intervention from Microsoft.
To be fair, there has never been a perfect operating system from Microsoft. They have always had problems. Windows 7 is the most stable right now as it has benefited from being out longer. Windows 10 will get there, but it is not there yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Easyscor on May 25, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
I'll be happy when the free update period ends. I reviewed my hidden updates last night and I must have two dozen related to the Windows or Win10 update service. Hopefully, refusing to pay will be enough to dismiss the nagware, including Win10 update KBs without further action, but I doubt it.
Last night I read that Win10 Pro, "used by many small business" was unlocked by a recent patch for push from the Microsoft Store. I haven't seen it but I imagine it looks like the Start page from Win8 with your applications buried in the ad clutter? I'm sure someone will write an app to remove those ads, and make a small fortune off small companies.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Latrobe on May 25, 2016, 12:14:36 PM
if Windows 10 was perfect, Microsoft would not be cranking out updates to fix problems as fast as they are.
Win 7 and 8 must be far from perfect then since they've been out for years and are still getting updates. If they haven't been fixed by now then they are likely to never be fixed. I would recommend updating to Win 10 before Win 7 or 8 bricks your PC.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
Oh, just like Windows 10 bricked my Wife's laptop. Like it has bricked so many other computers.
Well, let's talk in 7 years and see how many Windows 10 updates are still being delivered?
You do realize the updates for Windows 7 are addressing security problems, whereas most of the Windows 10 updates are to fix problems it has.
This is what every operating system Microsoft has shipped goes through. Why should it surprise anyone? Windows 7 was not better than Windows 10 when it first came out. Yet, now, it is far more stable than Windows 10 is. That is just how it goes.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 12:44:49 PM
Tell you what Latrobe. Here is a link (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10?sort=lastreplydate&dir=desc&tab=threads&status=unanswered&mod=&modAge=&advFil=&postedAfter=&postedBefore=&threadType=questions&tm=1464198136199) to Microsoft's forum which show all the unanswered complaints/issues with Windows 10. Yes, it is over 50 pages.
Now, to be fair, many may not be a problem with the OS, a much as a problem on how to do something, but there are many, many issues which are OS related.
If you want more, I can post links to many other forums where problems are being discussed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: darkzking on May 25, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
Sort of like a fresh apple pie. Coming out of the oven, it is quite a heavenly smell and tastes incredible. Let it sit there for a week,....not so much. A month and,..OMG!
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Bizman on May 25, 2016, 12:52:43 PM
Every operating system gets updated, either to fix flaws or to add support to new features. There's a huge difference between an update or a (re)build, though, similar to the Service Packs.
After the launch last summer Win10 has been rebuilt several times whereas 8 has become 8.1 and the original 7 is now 7 SP 1, the upgrades having been released years after the original version.
I've encountered that not even Microsoft Support personnel don't seem to know how to adjust some settings to enable updating in the previous versions which may have been readily installed on a computer.
And yes, I believe Win10 has potential. It has some good new ideas, it has fixed some not-so-good ideas launched in 8, it looks good etc. The biggest issue with me is that it seems to be released a year too early, and with too much force to my liking.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
So given enough time Win 10 will become better rather than worse like you have been saying?
I never said it would get "worse". My inference has to do with the perspective shift everyone goes through when they get a new toy.
The initial response of something new normally incurs a level of excitement and an inability to see any problems. It is quite normal. After the "shiny" wears off, the critical eye comes into play. Nothing may have actually changed, but the perspective of the person. Things which could be overlooked when something was new, get more difficult to overlook with time.
Your own responses fit right into this paradigm. Illogical, going against known fact, hyperbole and so on. Basically, not accurate.
Now, over time Windows 10 updates will get the OS to where Windows 7 is today, in terms of stability. That is only logical. There are still other things about Windows 10 itself many people do not like, but that is subjective.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: darkzking on May 25, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
i dowloaded windows 10 but the box it came in wasnt shiny it was like a matte blue.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: RagingPineapple on May 25, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
The shrink wrap was kinda shiny...
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Latrobe on May 25, 2016, 01:12:52 PM
I don't have critical eyes I have SPECIAL EYES!
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 01:24:34 PM
Latrobe, you seem to think I harbor some ill will towards Windows 10. Nothing could be further from the truth. Take a look at my recommendation history.
When Windows 2000 came out, I recommended people keep Windows 98SE. Some time later I started recommending Windows 2000. When Windows ME came out, I recommended staying with Windows 2000. I never recommended Windows ME. When Windows XP was released, I recommended staying with Windows 2000. Around SP1, I switch recommendations to Windows XP. When Windows Vista was released, I recommended people stay with Windows XP. I never recommended Vista. When Windows 7 was released, I recommended people stay with Windows XP. After Windows 7 SP1 was released, I started recommending Windows 7. When Windows 8 was released, I recommended people stay with Windows 7. I never recommended Windows 8 or 8.1. Today, I am recommending people stay with Windows 7.
See a pattern?
I always wait until the OS is stable enough to warrant a recommendation. Stability brings good things to our game and that is my primary focus. Try to provide the best gaming experience you can have with Aces High.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Randy1 on May 25, 2016, 01:31:38 PM
I agree with latrobe on W10 performance as a program it has nearly been flawless. The only problem as posted was my error in not having the latest driver. Now i am not waving a W10 banner but it is not bad either.
I remember people squeaking about when dos gave way to windows. W10 is a reality like it or not. One thing that hurt the PC is the tech savy needed to keep it running. W10 is trying to take user control out of the picture to make the PC more user friendly. That may not be a bad thing. It might boost pc sales in the near future. Sooner or latter people will get tired of looking at the small tablet screen.
However and this is a big however, controlling when the downloads comes in is the biggest problem. I may have a work around. You can have one computer on your network do a download and have that computer send the download to any other computer on the network. I think anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Dragon Tamer on May 25, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
However and this is a big however, controlling when the downloads comes in is the biggest problem. I may have a work around. You can have one computer on your network do a download and have that computer send the download to any other computer on the network. I think anyway.
The easiest way to cope with the updates is to simply shut your computer down every night when you are done using it. If you do that then you will never have an issue with Windows 10 restarting while you are in the middle of working.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Skuzzy on May 25, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
Kind of a contradiction Randy.
Remove the user, but this allows the user to have a negative experience when the updater decides to provide another computer an update, or when an update comes in and Windows applies it, it reboots in the middle of an application. Or when Windows 10 removes an application.
Yes, those things can be addressed,...if the user is savvy enough to know what to do and where. Sort of counters the whole idea of the user not needing to know anything.
This goes to the really bad set of defaults Microsoft has chosen for Windows 10.
By the way, didn't you say that the DX11 AHIII game was less stable on Windows 10, than on Windows 7?
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Bizman on May 25, 2016, 02:27:35 PM
One thing that hurt the PC is the tech savy needed to keep it running. W10 is trying to take user control out of the picture to make the PC more user friendly.
The biggest issues both I and my customers have had is that W10 hasn't been user friendly. For example for a long time basic user the "tablet mode" on a non-touch-screen desktop is not something that you'd neither expect nor intuitively figure out. Or the "metered connection" issue I've often referred to. In 8 it had three different locations, the last one being the most intuitive so far: simply right clicking the connection would give the alternative to make it metered or not (our mobile broadband services aren't metered). In W10 I now know at least two locations for it, the older one being beyond the skill level of a Microsoft Support guy and his teammates whom he asked about it. I should be "tech savvy" after 11 years in the business and I still struggle with some features until I learn all of the undocumented tricks of all of the versions.
Skuzzy, I can remember the fierce discussions whether to get XP or stay with 98SE back in the days of AH1. Lots of similarity here. :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Randy1 on May 25, 2016, 03:53:38 PM
Remove the user, but this allows the user to have a negative experience when the updater decides to provide another computer an update, or when an update comes in and Windows applies it, it reboots in the middle of an application. Or when Windows 10 removes an application.
Not a single one of those things have happened on either of my Win 10 boxes in over 6 months of having win 10 installed.
It's one thing not to recommend it. It's quite another to propagate fear of it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Randy1 on May 26, 2016, 06:24:42 AM
Not a single one of those things have happened on either of my Win 10 boxes in over 6 months of having win 10 installed.
It's one thing not to recommend it. It's quite another to propagate fear of it.
I have successfully duplicated many of those issues/questions. You do realize Microsoft removes posts, from those forums, which have no basis in reality?
This is not about "fear propagation". It is also not about propagating the perfection of Windows 10, when it clearly is not. It is this way for every operating system Microsoft has released. Some people have nightmare level problems with it, while others do not. There is always a risk when doing an *upgrade*. There always has been.
Just because you are not running into issues does not mean there are not any. When the right combination of hardware and software are used, the problems appear. This is the best indicator of a product which is still not stable. It is like our Beta. It is not stable. There are those who run it perfectly, while others cannot.
This always happens with every generation of operating system Microsoft has released since the original. Early adopters, who seem to think they have no problems, rant and rave about how great the OS is, regardless of the actual issues. This history repeats itself, over and over again.
I do have a motive. I want our game to run as well and stable as possible. Windows 7 is a known quantity. Windows 10 is still being fleshed out. The number of complaints are still piling up. They will subside, just like every other operating system release has. That is when you know things are on the way to getting stable.
Lastly, this is not about "fear mongering". This is about being realistic. Right now, a good dose of caution is warranted.
Title: Re: Windows 10 and AHII and Beta AHIII
Post by: Drano on May 26, 2016, 07:42:27 AM
For me is not so much a stability thing as a taking over total control of my PC thing. It's like back in the day when my kids were younger and they would fiddle with stuff on what was the family PC. I'd sit down at it to maybe get some flying in and it'd be all horked up leaving me to sort it out. My kids are to a PC what Oddball in Kelly's Heroes was to a tank (I just ride em man! Woofwoofwoof!) . I had no idea what they did to it and they couldn't begin to tell me either! MS is doing the same thing with Win10 and they just ain't GONNA tell ya! I'll pass on that crap TYVM!
FWIW since I built my own machine and have "the others" locked out of it I have no problems at all as I know exactly what's been done on it all the time.